I have no idea which board this belongs in, but I figure I'll make it here to reduce clutter in any other thread.
Anyways, all I heard was Obama made a speech about this and USA has the body. They're really not being as informative as they were with Saddam Hussein's capture. doodthing;
Everyone on facebook is like basically celebrating his death and I think it is stupid and wrong.
He was a douche, he is linked to the murder or many people, but celebrating his death is still morally unjustifiable.
Also it won't change a thing.
I don't understand people flipping out on Facebook about it.
Quote from: Cookie on May 01, 2011, 08:12:37 PM
I don't understand people flipping out on Facebook about it.
BUT MAN THEY GOT OSAMA SITTING ON THEIR COUCH
I don't understand it either.
I'm not. I'm scared shitless because I feel this is a setup.
Quote from: Dullahan on May 01, 2011, 08:14:57 PM
I'm not. I'm scared shitless because I feel this is a setup.
What?
I don't give a fuck, I'll celebrate his death all I want
Quote from: Dullahan on May 01, 2011, 08:14:57 PM
I'm not. I'm scared shitless because I feel this is a setup.
A set up for what? the first thing I thought when I heard the rumours though was it wasn't even him.
Quote from: Soycho on May 01, 2011, 08:16:42 PM
A set up for what? the first thing I thought when I heard the rumours though was it wasn't even him.
Yeah didn't they claim he was dead like two years ago?
Nothing is probably going to be changed now anyway
Why are they taking up air time to report on this? I could just find out online akudood;
Quote from: Soycho on May 01, 2011, 08:16:42 PM
A set up for what? the first thing I thought when I heard the rumours though was it wasn't even him.
I don't know. I'm just sketchy on how little information was given to us. That's all.
Just because he's dead, doesn't mean those who were involved in his activities are finished.
Quote from: Cookie on May 01, 2011, 08:17:56 PM
Yeah didn't they claim he was dead like two years ago?
A lot of stuff pointed to him being dead since 2001....
it is hard to tell really.
Quote from: Cookie on May 01, 2011, 08:17:56 PM
Yeah didn't they claim he was dead like two years ago?
Yes huh. The government will have to find someone else to use as a scapegoat to start wars!
Quote from: _you_ on May 01, 2011, 08:19:23 PM
Why are they taking up air time to report on this? I could just find out online akudood;
because everyone has the internet right? I was amused I was watching the apprentice when they cut it right before trump could fire someone.
anyway:
WE HAVE THE BODY
OSAMA BIN LADEN
TARGET NUMBER 1
CAUSE OF 9/11, DEATH OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS: DEAD
AS OF MAY 1ST 2011
OBAMA CONFIRMED FOR RE-ELECTION
AMERICA ALL FUCKING DAY, WE GETTING SHIT DONE IN HERE, AMERICA ALL DAY, EVERY DAY MOTHERFUCKER madood;
Quote from: Soycho on May 01, 2011, 08:11:35 PM
Everyone on facebook is like basically celebrating his death and I think it is stupid and wrong.
He was a douche, he is linked to the murder or many people, but celebrating his death is still morally unjustifiable.
Also it won't change a thing.
Celebrating death is unjustifiable?
That's exactly what funerals are
Quote from: Rambosnake on May 01, 2011, 08:23:08 PM
Celebrating death is unjustifiable?
That's exactly what funerals are
Funerals celebrate the life of someone
what is going on is a fervor of hate celebrating the fact he is dead.
fucking faggot
Quote from: Soycho on May 01, 2011, 08:24:36 PM
Funerals celebrate the life of someone
what is going on is a fervor of hate celebrating the fact he is dead.
i don't understand how you could have any compassion for a person like osama bin laden
Quote from: _you_ on May 01, 2011, 08:19:23 PM
Why are they taking up air time to report on this? I could just find out online akudood;
I know right? And it was just 15 minutes until the local news :(
Quote from: Soycho on May 01, 2011, 08:24:36 PM
Funerals celebrate the life of someone
what is going on is a fervor of hate celebrating the fact he is dead.
You're acting as if he wasn't a terrorist who threatened the country numerous times and caused 9/11. You can't pretend as though he's joe schmo off the street.
Why try so hard to be a pretentious dick? No one is going to give you a medal for human rights.
Quote from: Soycho on May 01, 2011, 08:24:36 PM
Funerals celebrate the life of someone
what is going on is a fervor of hate celebrating the fact he is dead.
Nah funerals celebrate and death, because after death cokes afterlife(religious people at least)
Quote from: Travis on May 01, 2011, 08:26:12 PM
i don't understand how you could have any compassion for a person like osama bin laden
Not celebrating or finding it right to celebrate killing someone no matter who they are isn't a bad thing.
I fully understand he was a dick, but being OH YEA HE IS DEAD WOOOO PARTY isn't right hence where my problem lies.
Quote from: KonohaShinobi on May 01, 2011, 08:26:48 PM
You're acting as if he wasn't a terrorist who threatened the country numerous times and caused 9/11. You can't pretend as though he's joe schmo off the street.
Why try so hard to be a pretentious dick? No one is going to give you a medal for human rights.
Oh no he threatened us. Tons of people have and many more will. We trained him. We gave him the ability to do the things he did.
I am not saying he wasn't a bad person or a terrorist but ffs there is no need to be in a fit of joy over it.
We are still in Afghanistan and Iraq, we still have other big issues to worry about.
No one is trying to be a pretentious dick
Quote from: KonohaShinobi on May 01, 2011, 08:21:36 PM
because everyone has the internet right?
because everyone has the tv right?
akudood;
Quote from: KonohaShinobi on May 01, 2011, 08:26:48 PM
You're acting as if he wasn't a terrorist who threatened the country numerous times and caused 9/11. You can't pretend as though he's joe schmo off the street.
Why try so hard to be a pretentious dick? No one is going to give you a medal for human rights.
Try saying that again once you've identified the personal, psychological cause for Osama's actions (and how much did he actually do with his own hands?).
Quote from: Soycho on May 01, 2011, 08:29:39 PM
Not celebrating or finding it right to celebrate killing someone no matter who they are isn't a bad thing.
I fully understand he was a dick, but being OH YEA HE IS DEAD WOOOO PARTY isn't right hence where my problem lies.
why not? what do you feel is so wrong with that
Quote from: Travis on May 01, 2011, 08:32:31 PM
why not? what do you feel is so wrong with that
Because.
You're celebrating the death of someone just like we are shown that members of Al Queda and the like are shown to celebrate the death of Americans.
There is outrage if someone in a middle eastern country praises them for 9/11 or something like that. Why shouldn't the same outrage be turned back?
I seriously don't care what he did, celebrating death in itself is wrong. For a patriotic reason doesn't make it cool. It is still stupid.
Quote from: Travis on May 01, 2011, 08:32:31 PM
why not? what do you feel is so wrong with that
Again, did he do it for power, or was there a legitimate, psychological reason for his orders?
I'm such a boyager...
The reaction on Facebook startles me because it really doesn't mean anything to me... it certainly doesn't justify any of our wars and doesn't reduce the threat of terrorism whatsoever that one man is dead.
It's just rather 'meh'
Quote from: _you_ on May 01, 2011, 08:35:07 PM
Again, did he do it for power, or was there a legitimate, psychological reason for his orders?
What is the point of making Hitler or Saddam a sympathetic character?
Quote from: _you_ on May 01, 2011, 08:29:50 PM
because everyone has the tv right?
akudood;
It'll be in the papers.
And I'm sure it's less of "FUCK YES A MAN IS DEAD" and more "A THREAT TO MY LIVELIHOOD AND SAFE WAY OF LIVING IS GONE? THANK YOU AMERICA", you all are reading too much into it, why wouldn't you be justified in celebrating, especially if you were apart of the 9/11 disaster which pretty much every one has a "where you were on 9/11" story? It's mildly like after WW2, all those pictures of people celebrating in the streets and stuff, completely ok. I know I'm wearing Red/White/Blue to support my country tomorrow.
Quote from: Soycho on May 01, 2011, 08:29:39 PM
I am not saying he wasn't a bad person or a terrorist but ffs there is no need to be in a fit of joy over it.
I understand your morals. And I feel the way you do, but I just feel more indifferent towards it. I can't feel bad for him, I can only feel bad for any innocent ones he may have been close to.
Obama's speech is on if anyone cares.
Quote from: Dullahan on May 01, 2011, 08:37:56 PM
I understand your morals. And I feel the way you do, but I just feel more indifferent towards it. I can't feel bad for him, I can only feel bad for any innocent ones he may have been close to.
Oh what people are misunderstanding is that I actually care. I am completely indifferent. I am simply against celebrating the death the way that I am seeing people do.
Quote from: YPR on May 01, 2011, 08:36:11 PM
It's just rather 'meh'
yeah exactly, me too.
Quote from: Cookie on May 01, 2011, 08:12:37 PM
I don't understand people flipping out on Facebook about it.
I'm not flipping out about it, but I don't understand how you can't understand why anyone would make a big deal about it. And it's facebook, people will post about anything regardless of its importance.
Quote from: _you_ on May 01, 2011, 08:19:23 PM
Why are they taking up air time to report on this? I could just find out online akudood;
can't the same be said about any other news story? akudood;
Quote from: Soycho on May 01, 2011, 08:29:39 PM
We are still in Afghanistan and Iraq, we still have other big issues to worry about.
Well no shit, nobody's saying the wars are over.
The point of the story is that we've been looking for him for a long time, and now we've found him and he's dead.
Just calm down, echo. :3
Quote from: Soycho on May 01, 2011, 08:34:20 PM
Because.
You're celebrating the death of someone just like we are shown that members of Al Queda and the like are shown to celebrate the death of Americans.
There is outrage if someone in a middle eastern country praises them for 9/11 or something like that. Why shouldn't the same outrage be turned back?
I seriously don't care what he did, celebrating death in itself is wrong. For a patriotic reason doesn't make it cool. It is still stupid.
I realize you have no sympathy towards him. That's cool. BI understand you have a moral problem with celebrating death. Still cool.
However, celebrating death in a patriotic light should at least MAKE SENSE. To you?
Quote from: Rambosnake on May 01, 2011, 08:41:55 PM
However, celebrating death in a patriotic light should at least MAKE SENSE. To you?
If by make sense you mean I think that patriotism makes people do stupid things then sure?
I frankly don't think patriotism should effect your thought processes on something like this.
Quote from: KonohaShinobi on May 01, 2011, 08:36:59 PM
What is the point of making Hitler or Saddam a sympathetic character?
Irrelevant. Sympathy was never expressed.
Quote from: KonohaShinobi on May 01, 2011, 08:36:59 PM
"A THREAT TO MY LIVELIHOOD AND SAFE WAY OF LIVING IS GONE? THANK YOU AMERICA",
The threat is not gone, as Al Qaeda still exists. Prove me wrong.
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Quote from: KonohaShinobi on May 01, 2011, 08:36:59 PM
What is the point of making Hitler or Saddam a sympathetic character?It'll be in the papers.
And I'm sure it's less of "FUCK YES A MAN IS DEAD" and more "A THREAT TO MY LIVELIHOOD AND SAFE WAY OF LIVING IS GONE? THANK YOU AMERICA", you all are reading too much into it, why wouldn't you be justified in celebrating, especially if you were apart of the 9/11 disaster which pretty much every one has a "where you were on 9/11" story? It's mildly like after WW2, all those pictures of people celebrating in the streets and stuff, completely ok. I know I'm wearing Red/White/Blue to support my country tomorrow.
I doubt that. This is the internet after all. Most people are probably just celebrating because all their friends are and they're just going along with the crowd.
Sure there may be those that were directly affected by 9/11 in that they were in or very near to one of the attacks or they lost family or friends, and they may be celebrating for a different reason. But most everybody else who's celebrating? I really doubt it.
Quote from: _you_ on May 01, 2011, 08:44:07 PM
The threat is not gone, as Al Qaeda still exists. Prove me wrong.
The threat isn't gone, and we've spent the past years just breeding generations of children who lost a family member because of "collateral damage"
so they will have plenty to recruit from
Quote from: Man of Popcikle on May 01, 2011, 08:45:11 PM
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AWESOME
I don't get how yall can be like,"lol oh well doesnt matter if he's dead" he was the Al Qaeda leader, it's founder, Al Qaeda responsible for torment EVERYWHERE to THOUSANDS, including you know that big event that happened on September 11th 2001? Yeah that happened on American soil, where you live, where your families live, and they had bigger plans. Now their leader is dead, its only a matter of time for the dominoes to topple. Of course this isnt going to happen over night, but it's happening, be happy, no reason to be so melancholic like this is a waste of time, this has been a decade in progress.
haha hahah
you think that killing him is going to topple the organization?
They are basically set up where they don't NEED bin laden....
Quote from: KonohaShinobi on May 01, 2011, 08:47:14 PM
I don't get how yall can be like,"lol oh well doesnt matter if he's dead" he was the Al Qaeda leader, it's founder, Al Qaeda responsible for torment EVERYWHERE to THOUSANDS, including you know that big event that happened on September 11th 2001? Yeah that happened on American soil, where you live, where your families live, and they had bigger plans. Now their leader is dead, its only a matter of time for the dominoes to topple. Of course this isnt going to happen over night, but it's happening, be happy, no reason to be so melancholic like this is a waste of time, this has been a decade in progress.
The leader is only one man of a huge massive organization, and at this point he was boarder line figurehead.
Quote from: Soycho on May 01, 2011, 08:48:10 PM
haha hahah
you think that killing him is going to topple the organization?
They are basically set up where they don't NEED bin laden....
They can easily find another leader.
Quote from: KonohaShinobi on May 01, 2011, 08:47:14 PM
it's founder
So who's next in the chain of command? Prove to us that Al Qaeda's gone.
Quote from: KonohaShinobi on May 01, 2011, 08:47:14 PM
I don't get how yall can be like,"lol oh well doesnt matter if he's dead" he was the Al Qaeda leader, it's founder, Al Qaeda responsible for torment EVERYWHERE to THOUSANDS, including you know that big event that happened on September 11th 2001? Yeah that happened on American soil,
How many people died that day, vs. how many were on that flight?
Quote from: Dullahan on May 01, 2011, 08:49:30 PM
They can easily find another leader.
Yea.
I am sure they have a contingency plan already set up since you know we were spending all that money looking for a single guy.
Quote from: KonohaShinobi on May 01, 2011, 08:36:59 PMespecially if you were apart of the 9/11 disaster which pretty much every one has a "where you were on 9/11" story? It's mildly like after WW2, all those pictures of people celebrating in the streets and stuff, completely ok. I know I'm wearing Red/White/Blue to support my country tomorrow.
I don't think everyone has one of these stories, especially if not from the East Coast... I went home and watched it on the news, but I don't think that constitutes a 'story.'
Also there's no one celebrating out in the streets because it's much less relevant than anything like the end of WWII. Honestly for all we know they'll just use him as a martyr to plan some attack in his honor... It's like saying the death of Kim Il-Sung would end the problem of North Korea
Wow at last
americas problems have been solved
Fucking yes, bitches. Almost cried during the speech.
I guarentee you that not every intel regarding 9/11 was given to the people around the world. There is still information that is secured within the government and who knows how vital that information is.
al-Qaeda would give the people what they expect so that they can do the unexpected and accomplish their goals. The American government wouldn't give them what they want by doing so. I'm not even American, and I know for a fact that their is intel that is lock air-tight within the government to keep away from American citizens because that would obviously give al-Qaeda the advantage.
Quote from: Soycho on May 01, 2011, 08:50:43 PM
Yea.
I am sure they have a contingency plan already set up since you know we were spending all that money looking for a single guy.
And this is exactly why I feel concerned about this situation.
Quote from: Tomboh on May 01, 2011, 08:55:32 PM
americas problems have been solved
No it's not; Al Qaeda still exists. Prove me wrong.
Quote from: applesauce on May 01, 2011, 08:55:59 PM
Fucking yes, bitches. Almost cried during the speech.
That idiot should have ordered to keep him alive. That way, we could at least try to extract more info out of Osama before we killed him.
... Is Pakistan cool with us running military operations within their country?
Quote from: _you_ on May 01, 2011, 08:59:59 PM
No it's not; Al Qaeda still exists. Prove me wrong.
That idiot should have ordered to keep him alive. That way, we could at least try to extract more info out of Osama before we killed him.
Pretty sure tomboh is being sarcastic
Also it's surprisingly hard to keep a leader alive. Even if he hadn't been shot by our troops he might have shot himself to avoid capture
Quote from: _you_ on May 01, 2011, 08:59:59 PM
That idiot should have ordered to keep him alive. That way, we could at least try to extract more info out of Osama before we killed him.
And I heard that he was already dead before the Americans found him until I heard the speech.
Quote from: YPR on May 01, 2011, 09:03:42 PM
... Is Pakistan cool with us running military operations within their country?Pretty sure tomboh is being sarcastic
Also it's surprisingly hard to keep a leader alive. Even if he hadn't been shot by our troops he might have shot himself to avoid capture
o
That's actually a good idea (at least in that situation).
Quote from: _you_ on May 01, 2011, 08:59:59 PM
No it's not; Al Qaeda still exists. Prove me wrong.
That idiot should have ordered to keep him alive. That way, we could at least try to extract more info out of Osama before we killed him.
Lol what leader gets taken alive?
Quote from: YPR on May 01, 2011, 09:03:42 PM
... Is Pakistan cool with us running military operations within their country?Pretty sure tomboh is being sarcastic
Also it's surprisingly hard to keep a leader alive. Even if he hadn't been shot by our troops he might have shot himself to avoid capture
DNA tests were run to confirm it was his body.
Quote from: Rambosnake on May 01, 2011, 09:07:18 PM
Lol what leader gets taken alive?
That's the way it should have been, and if Osama did kill himself, that's likely why he did it. As a leader, he had a lot of information over his organization.
EDIT: oh wait, I misread that doodella;
Quote from: YPR on May 01, 2011, 09:03:42 PM
... Is Pakistan cool with us running military operations within their country?Pretty sure tomboh is being sarcastic
They don't really have any other choice.
Quote from: Dullahan on May 01, 2011, 09:07:42 PM
DNA tests were run to confirm it was his body.
Eh? I never suggested it wasn't his
Quote from: Rambosnake on May 01, 2011, 09:07:18 PM
Lol what leader gets taken alive?
Saddam, Melosovic
Still, it's not common
so obama killed the bin laden project, great. seems suspiciously well-timed to me, with news about our continued/discontinued actions in Iraq coming out soon and presidential election next year.
no one knows who the fuck Bin Laden is or what he actually did, I think the people saying 'justice has been served, fuck yeah america' are manipulated fools. I don't believe in 9/11 truth shit nor am I trying to include it, just saying that all parts of this -- bin laden as an identity/target, his capture, information available to media throughout the 'war on terror' -- have been fed from the top down
Quote from: applesauce on May 01, 2011, 08:55:59 PM
Fucking yes, bitches. Almost cried during the speech.
are you serious?
Quote from: YPR on May 01, 2011, 09:10:29 PM
Eh? I never suggested it wasn't his
No.
I'm saying, the soldiers probably would have captured him if he was alive. But it seems it was DOA, so that's why they had to run a DNA test on him.
Quote from: vziard on May 01, 2011, 09:13:34 PM
are you serious?
Maybe you still think it's cool to force yourself to have no emotional response to anything. Life's pretty boring that way.
Quote from: vziard on May 01, 2011, 09:13:34 PM
so obama killed the bin laden project, great. seems suspiciously well-timed to me, with news about our continued/discontinued actions in Iraq coming out soon and presidential election next year.
no one knows who the fuck Bin Laden is or what he actually did, I think the people saying 'justice has been served, fuck yeah america' are manipulated fools. I don't believe in 9/11 truth shit nor am I trying to include it, just saying that all parts of this -- bin laden as an identity/target, his capture, information available to media throughout the 'war on terror' -- have been fed from the top down
I'm concerned how about what Obama said about it and the media's reaction to it. On top of it, they decided to beat on a dead horse by implying criticisms of Bush's administration -- not that this whole thing was necessarily a legitimate issue, given the might that the US used to (at least) have.
Quote from: applesauce on May 01, 2011, 09:18:40 PM
Maybe you still think it's cool to force yourself to have no emotional response to anything. Life's pretty boring that way.
akudood;
I should move this to serious discussion so people know they will be fighting with others in this thread girl;
Quote from: Dullahan on May 01, 2011, 09:16:11 PM
No.
I'm saying, the soldiers probably would have captured him if he was alive. But it seems it was DOA, so that's why they had to run a DNA test on him.
Well yeah, but you have plenty of time to kill yourself before being captured. There may not even have been a fire fight, but it sure does sound like a much more romantic ending to a war essentially based around getting revenge
Quote from: applesauce on May 01, 2011, 09:18:40 PM
Maybe you still think it's cool to force yourself to have no emotional response to anything. Life's pretty boring that way.
who should I be happy for?
It's not that you *should* be happy. You can feel however you want.
It's not even that I'm feeling all that happy; there's just some events that are so inspiring and bring up so many feeling about the greatness of humanity or the tremendous effort and history that your life is built on. It's more about the language he used at the end, that made me feel so overwhelmingly connected to so many millions of people, today and throughout history.
Quote from: vziard on May 01, 2011, 09:30:40 PM
who should I be happy for?
for America man such a great victory
[spoiler] I'm right there with you on this not having a reason to be happy about[/spoiler]
Quote from: applesauce on May 01, 2011, 09:36:41 PM
It's not that you *should* be happy. You can feel however you want.
It's not even that I'm feeling all that happy; there's just some events that are so inspiring and bring up so many feeling about the greatness of humanity or the tremendous effort and history that your life is built on. It's more about the language he used at the end, that made me feel so overwhelmingly connected to so many millions of people, today and throughout history.
I don't have a problem with that, but it doesn't seem that significant to me since all you have in common with everyone else is that you're all watching the same tv program
this thread is fucking awful
Quote from: vziard on May 01, 2011, 09:44:48 PM
I don't have a problem with that, but it doesn't seem that significant to me since all you have in common with everyone else is that you're all watching the same tv program
Or, you know, all of american history. It's not the event, it's the speech that I'm talking about.
this thread is even worse in this board
Bloody hell I don't even know what to say to all of these people excitedly messaging me about it when I'm so ambivalent myface;
I don't really want to be a buzzkill
I don't celebrate the death of anyone, but I take great pleasure in reading some obituaries. - i think mark twain
basically how i feel, i'm not going to celebrate the fact that he died, but i'm not going to say it was a great loss for mankind either
Hitler's death was announced on May 1st, 1945 SYNCHRONICITY OR CONSPIRACY?
or is it like that thing where blockbusters always come out in the summer? doodhuh;
And just in time for wedding season too...
Definitely a conspiracy
Obama's tweet about the speech was his 1337th tweet. Pro.
Def. conspiracy
I will need to see the photos of bin Laden's corpse before I say anything
http://www.rap-up.com/2011/05/02/stars-react-to-osama-bin-ladens-death/
god these tweets are hilarious
On this day 66 years ago, Hitler was confirmed dead.... 66, 5th month 1st day 5+1=6.
666...Coincidence?
The government doesn't even have the DNA test results yet. They identified "Osama" by mere facial recognition techniques. (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/02/us-binladen-dna-idUSTRE7411HJ20110502)
All I can say is that Navy Seals know how to get shit done...
Fuck yeah America?
Quote from: Kiba on May 02, 2011, 07:26:35 AM
All I can say is that Navy Seals know how to get shit done...
Fuck yeah America?
Katy Perry: AMERICA FUCK YEAH, HERE TO SAVE THE MOTHER FUCKIN DAY YEAH!
Do not rejoice in the fall of your enemy, and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles
(Prov. 24:17)
There's nothing wrong with being happy that he is dead.
I don't believe in saying anything about him now, because there is no reason to, since he is fucking dead.
But celebrating the FACT that he is dead is fine.
Quote from: Selkie on May 02, 2011, 08:41:20 AM
There's nothing wrong with being happy that he is dead.
I don't believe in saying anything about him now, because there is no reason to, since he is fucking dead.
But celebrating the FACT that he is dead is fine.
How is it ok to be happy ANYONE is dead though?
The DNA testing was a match http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/02/obama-to-make-statment-tonight-subject-unknown/?hpt=T1&iref=BN1
so like how exactly does the DNA testing work? did they take Osama Bin Laden's DNA and then compare it with Osama Bin Laden's DNA to confirm it's Osama Bin Laden?
Quote from: Soycho on May 02, 2011, 08:33:33 AM
Do not rejoice in the fall of your enemy, and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles
(Prov. 24:17)
no shit.
It's your own conscience that is going to remind you that it's your heart and nobody else's that is going to judge
Be not selfish in your doings, pass it on. Help your brothers in their needs, pass it on
In the kingdom of jah man shall reign.
Quote from: vziard on May 02, 2011, 09:55:49 AM
so like how exactly does the DNA testing work? did they take Osama Bin Laden's DNA and then compare it with Osama Bin Laden's DNA to confirm it's Osama Bin Laden?
actually, no. (http://www.fastcompany.com/1751030/how-a-dna-identity-test-on-osama-bin-laden-works)
they sourced some DNA from his late sister
so they must have compared the mitochondrial dna
Quote from: Quis sum? on May 02, 2011, 09:58:22 AM
actually, no. (http://www.fastcompany.com/1751030/how-a-dna-identity-test-on-osama-bin-laden-works)
they sourced some DNA from his late sister
so they must have compared the mitochondrial dna
bugs don't have mitochondrial DNA you could call half the women in sandland his 'sister'
Quote from: vziard on May 02, 2011, 10:08:22 AM
bugs don't have mitochondrial DNA you could call half the women in sandland his 'sister'
It is a less-rigorous method of DNA testing, however. That's why they were able to obtain the DNA test results relatively quick.
Quote from: Kiba on May 02, 2011, 07:26:35 AM
All I can say is that Navy Seals know how to get shit done...
also if this were true then this would have happened a decade ago
Quote from: Quis sum? on May 02, 2011, 10:24:19 AM
It is a less-rigorous method of DNA testing, however. That's why they were able to obtain the DNA test results relatively quick.
That wasn't the concern.
I'm fucking horrified at the state of the country today, glad everyone's getting their 2 Minutes' Hate taken care of though so I don't have to fucking deal with it. this isn't 'patriotism' fools
THE KING IS DEAD
LONG LIVE THE KING
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Whether celebrations or whether condemnation, absolutely speaking, is occasionally appropriate depends entirely upon one's disposition. This question is relative, and cannot answer itself. For anything involving perspective, the relevant factors for legitimacy will always revolve around genuineness. Those that honk and holler and laugh with childlike zeal and those that silently relish the cool rush of vengeance, can be equally authentic and morally right, if, an only if, their response is an expression of truth. It doesn't matter if your loved one died on 9/11 as a consequence of terrorism, or if you were born after that day and have no direct experience of it, what matters is that you honestly believe Osama's death to be significant and that for you it holds some personal meaning. If one's acts and feesl (in whatever way they choose act or seem to feel) out of such fundamental convictions, they are as true as the stars at night and as right as sunshine on a clouded day. If not, however, they are clowns and jokers with no notion to claim their own, the worst kind of all, ignorant fools, and quite frankly an embarrassment to us all. I follow what I preach, which is why I am just as virtuous and pure for lacking even the lightest bit of inclination one way or the other over this, beyond mere curiosity and common interest.
IDK if hes dead i wanna see a funeral first.
Quote from: _you_ on May 02, 2011, 10:45:35 AM
That wasn't the concern.
goonish
Quote from: Lex Luthor on May 02, 2011, 11:05:19 AM
IDK if hes dead i wanna see a funeral first.
osama bin laden was buried in the sea according to the sharia law of burying the dead within 24 hours
Quote from: Snowy on May 02, 2011, 10:57:07 AM
I don't listen to any of the "USA USA USA USA USA" people. All the ones around here are fucking annoying. akudood;
i haven't seen anyone here dancing in the streets over bin Laden's death
i hope i don't hear any fireworks tonight on that note either
FUCK YEAH
SEAL Team Six!
I have family in it and know a lot of people in there. I was at their headquarters last summer. thumbup;
[spoiler]His body isn't in the sea. An official just said that to please the muslims.[/spoiler]
Quote from: wawi the dogracer extraordinaire on May 02, 2011, 12:55:46 PM
FUCK YEAH
SEAL Team Six!
I have family in it and know a lot of people in there. I was at their headquarters last summer. thumbup;
i would love to know who the guy was who shot him in the face
We might have buried him at sea
We might still have his body
We might have him alive
We might have discovered he was already dead and taken credit
Really the government can tell us whatever they'd like and no one would know the difference n_u
Quote from: YPR on May 02, 2011, 01:06:25 PM
We might have buried him at sea
We might still have his body
We might have him alive
We might have discovered he was already dead and taken credit
Really the government can tell us whatever they'd like and no one would know the difference n_u
i h4x into top secret computars i kno stuffz
RIP the hero.
goonish
this entire thread is silly and everyone celebrating is silly
Quote from: Swirly Glasses on May 02, 2011, 03:26:30 PM
goonish
this entire thread is silly and everyone celebrating is silly
why is it silly
Tec you are the first New Yorker I know of to feel that way n_u
Quote from: Swirly Glasses on May 02, 2011, 03:26:30 PM
goonish
this entire thread is silly and everyone celebrating is silly
you're silly.
Overnight my opinions have completely 180'd
people sicken me, and I sicken myself
Quote from: Rambosnake on May 02, 2011, 06:38:13 PM
Overnight my opinions have completely 180'd
people sicken me, and I sicken myself
explain O_0
Quote from: wawi the dogracer extraordinaire on May 02, 2011, 06:47:11 PM
explain O_0
I just realized there's no point to celebrating some nigga's death and we'd all be better off to go about this in as civil a way as possible, not some sort of brutal mardi gras that celebrates death.
Quote from: Rambosnake on May 02, 2011, 06:51:05 PM
I just realized there's no point to celebrating some nigga's death and we'd all be better off to go about this in as civil a way as possible, not some sort of brutal mardi gras that celebrates death.
yes, the whole thing needs more doodthingocity
Quote from: Snowy on May 03, 2011, 06:56:01 AM
A lot of kids in school are wearing shirts with flags on them and down the halls I've been hearing "USA USA USA USA USA USA" for the past 2 days. :(
lol silly nationalism
do u think middle eastern countries are showing american celebrations and they hink they are saying "death to allah " that be kinda fuck ed ujp
Quote from: villinman666 on May 03, 2011, 12:43:29 PM
do u think middle eastern countries are showing american celebrations and they hink they are saying "death to allah " that be kinda fuck ed ujp
Weren't there countries in the middle east like Israel that celebrated over 9/11?
Quote from: Dullahan on May 03, 2011, 03:17:09 PM
Weren't there countries in the middle east like Israel that celebrated over 9/11?
I don't think Israel specifically was, but yes.
That's why I find it very hypocritical to celebrate the death of Osama.
Quote from: Dullahan on May 03, 2011, 03:17:09 PM
Weren't there countries in the middle east like Israel that celebrated over 9/11?
israel is a our butt budy. but i think other middle eastern countries were cos we were messing in their shit for Literally Decades.
QuoteOsama bin Laden was unarmed when he was confronted and shot dead by US forces at his Pakistani hideout, a White House spokesman has said.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2011/05/20115319011610215.html
I'm even less for shooting unarmed people than I am for celebrating their death.
Quote from: Soycho on May 03, 2011, 05:38:22 PM
I'm even less for shooting unarmed people than I am for celebrating their death.
i'm even less for showing any mercy to a man responsible for thousands of innocent people's deaths
Quote from: Travis on May 03, 2011, 05:46:03 PM
i'm even less for showing any mercy to a man responsible for thousands of innocent people's deaths
Shooting an unarmed man is wrongful and murderous no matter what you think of the person. Taking him alive would have done more in the way of good anyway.
Quote from: Soycho on May 03, 2011, 05:50:17 PM
Shooting an unarmed man is wrongful and murderous no matter what you think of the person. Taking him alive would have done more in the way of good anyway.
Put yourself in the soldiers' perspective. They were under attack. They don't know if he too had a weapon or not. They followed their rules. Why risk more American lives? You do understand that these people have no problem taking you down with them and killing innocent people as well.
Quote"The assault force was concerned he would resist and he indeed resisted. His wife rushed the assaulter and was wounded. Bin Laden was then shot and killed. He was not armed," Carney said at his daily press briefing.
Quote from: Soycho on May 03, 2011, 05:50:17 PM
Taking him alive would have done more in the way of good anyway.
Not really.
Quote from: Travis on May 03, 2011, 05:46:03 PM
i'm even less for showing any mercy to a man responsible for thousands of innocent people's deaths
Seriously. Sure, you can be upset that people were glad he's dead, but there are many reasons why people would be. It's something that would be hard to understand if it didn't impact you.
However, I understand everyone has different viewpoints and opinions. I'm just putting in my two cents. I'm a bit biased due to my family serving and whatnot.
i thought they had like a 45 minute fire fight w/ osama . w t h
Quote from: Soycho on May 03, 2011, 05:38:22 PM
I'm even less for shooting unarmed people than I am for celebrating their death.
All the easier to just capture him (like Bush did with Saddam) baddood;
Quote from: _you_ on May 03, 2011, 06:05:23 PM
All the easier to just capture him (like Bush did with Saddam) baddood;
They were two completely different scenarios.
Finding him in a hole unguarded is a lot different than a firefight. Also, he surrended.
QuoteColonel Hickey said that the soldiers looked into the hole and saw a figure inside it.
"Two hands appeared. The individual clearly wanted to surrender," he said.
Quote from: Soycho on May 03, 2011, 05:50:17 PM
Shooting an unarmed man is wrongful and murderous no matter what you think of the person. Taking him alive would have done more in the way of good anyway.
psyduck;
Quote from: wawi the dogracer extraordinaire on May 03, 2011, 05:54:13 PM
Put yourself in the soldiers' perspective. They were under attack. They don't know if he too had a weapon or not. They followed their rules. Why risk more American lives? You do understand that these people have no problem taking you down with them and killing innocent people as well.Not really. Seriously. Sure, you can be upset that people were glad he's dead, but there are many reasons why people would be. It's something that would be hard to understand if it didn't impact you.
However, I understand everyone has different viewpoints and opinions. I'm just putting in my two cents. I'm a bit biased due to my family serving and whatnot.
They were going through the building cuffing EVERYONE. They obviously said he was unarmed. His wife rushed them probably unarmed. They aren't risking more american lives by not shooting an unarmed man dead.
i want 2 see the video of his death .
Quote from: wawi the dogracer extraordinaire on May 03, 2011, 06:08:41 PM
They were two completely different scenarios.
Finding him in a hole unguarded is a lot different than a firefight. Also, he surrended.
Obviously, but unless there's something I'm missing, both of them were unharmed. Even then, if we were able to capture an armed Saddam (although in a hole), we had the capability to capture Osama and should have done so. Keeping Osama has a hostage of sorts would have given us the upper hand, as any actions that Al Qaeda makes from that point could and would risk their leader's life.
Quote from: Soycho on May 03, 2011, 06:20:58 PM
They were going through the building cuffing EVERYONE. They obviously said he was unarmed. His wife rushed them probably unarmed. They aren't risking more american lives by not shooting an unarmed man dead.
You figure that they ran out of cuffs when they got to Osama?
we prepared for this mission for years but we didnt bring enough supplies for it lol .
Quote from: _you_ on May 03, 2011, 06:25:27 PM
Obviously, but unless there's something I'm missing, both of them were unharmed. Even then, if we were able to capture an armed Saddam (although in a hole), we had the capability to capture Osama and should have done so. Keeping Osama has a hostage of sorts would have given us the upper hand, as any actions that Al Qaeda makes from that point could and would risk their leader's life.
You figure that they ran out of cuffs when they got to Osama?
I figure someone just wanted to be known forever as the guy who shot Osama Bin Laden so he murdered the guy.
Of course, we will never know as they sure as hell won't be giving the UN Human rights council the details
Quote from: Soycho on May 03, 2011, 06:20:58 PM
They were going through the building cuffing EVERYONE. They obviously said he was unarmed. His wife rushed them probably unarmed. They aren't risking more american lives by not shooting an unarmed man dead.
Nope. Besides, resistance does not require a firearm.
Quote
"In the room with Bin Laden, a woman â€" Bin Laden's wife â€" rushed the U.S. assaulter and was shot in the leg but not killed," Carney said. "Bin Laden was then shot and killed. He was not armed."
You have no idea what they could be hiding.
QuoteBin Laden could have surrendered only "if he did not pose any type of threat whatsoever," White House counter-terrorism chief John Brennan said on Fox television, and if U.S. troops "were confident of that in terms of his not having an IED [improvised explosives device] on his body, his not having some type of hidden weapon or whatever."
Added a senior congressional aide briefed on the rules of engagement: "He would have had to have been naked for them to allow him to surrender."
Once troops exchanged fire with Bin Laden allies living in the compound â€" three men and a woman were killed in addition to the Al Qaeda leader â€" the chances of a surrender were almost nil, experts say.
They followed the rules of engagement.
Quote"If anyone feels in any way that there is a hostile threat in a case like this â€" it can be a movement, or a failure to follow commands â€" deadly force will be authorized. It's a judgment call," the officer said. "And these assaulters are some of the finest, most highly trained in discriminate shooting. They train for hostage rescue."
The CIA has had grim experience with concealed suicide vests: In December 2009, a Jordanian doctor who the CIA believed was its agent blew himself up with vest, killing seven CIA employees and contractors who had come to greet him at a base in Khowst, Afghanistan.
Yet if Bin Laden had been taken alive, it would have posed myriad complications.
Quote from: Soycho on May 03, 2011, 06:30:49 PM
I figure someone just wanted to be known forever as the guy who shot Osama Bin Laden so he murdered the guy.
Of course, we will never know as they sure as hell won't be giving the UN Human rights council the details
That is extremely a naive way to think. You're making it seem that he was captured, and they casually strolled up to him and executed him just for fame. They followed protocols. Osama Bin Laden was an internationally wanted criminal.
What would the UN Human Rights Council do? Besides, the US isn't fond of following the UN.
QuoteA more thorough explanation of the legal basis was given last year by Harold Hongju Koh, legal adviser at the US state department. He told a meeting of the American Society of International Law: "Some have argued that the use of lethal force against specific individuals fails to provide adequate process and thus constitutes unlawful extrajudicial killing. But a state that is engaged in an armed conflict or in legitimate self-defence is not required to provide targets with legal process before the state may use lethal force.
"The principles of distinction and proportionality that the US applies are …implemented rigorously throughout the planning and execution of lethal operations to ensure that such operations are conducted in accordance with all applicable law."
He added: "Some have argued that our targeting practices violate domestic law, in particular, the longstanding domestic ban on assassinations. But under domestic law, the use of lawful weapons systems - consistent with the applicable laws of war - for precision targeting of specific high-level belligerent leaders when acting in self-defence or during an armed conflict is not unlawful, and hence does not constitute 'assassination'."
John Bellinger III, who served as the state department's senior lawyer during George Bush's second term as president, also insisted the strike was legitimate.
"The killing is not prohibited by the long-standing assassination prohibition in executive order 12333 [signed in 1981] because the action was a military action in the ongoing US armed conflict with al-Qaida and it is not prohibited to kill specific leaders of an opposing force," he wrote.
"The assassination prohibition also does not apply to killings in self-defence. The executive branch will also argue that the action was permissible under international law both as a permissible use of force in the US armed conflict with al-Qaida and as a legitimate action in self-defence, given that Bin Laden was clearly planning additional attacks."
Quote from: villinman666 on May 03, 2011, 06:27:00 PM
we prepared for this mission for years but we didnt bring enough supplies for it lol .
Wouldn't be surprised if that were the case doodthing;
Quote from: wawi the dogracer extraordinaire on May 03, 2011, 06:32:04 PM
Nope. Besides, resistance does not require a firearm.
It does when the aggressors have firearms.
Quote from: wawi the dogracer extraordinaire on May 03, 2011, 06:32:04 PM
You have no idea what they could be hiding.
That's no reason to kill someone with possibly useful info and/or can serve as a tool for ensuring the dissolution of Al Qaeda.
Quote from: wawi the dogracer extraordinaire on May 03, 2011, 06:34:26 PM
That is extremely a naive way to think. You're making it seem that he was captured, and they casually strolled up to him and executed him just for fame.
Too bad he wasn't just captured, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's why he's dead.
Quote from: wawi the dogracer extraordinaire on May 03, 2011, 06:34:26 PM
They followed protocols.
From a clearly incompetent president.
Quote from: wawi the dogracer extraordinaire on May 03, 2011, 06:34:26 PM
Why would there be a need for UN Human Rights Council? Osama Bin Laden was an internationally wanted criminal.
Are you suggesting that Osama bin Laden did everything himself?
Quote from: wawi the dogracer extraordinaire on May 03, 2011, 06:32:04 PM
Nope. Besides, resistance does not require a firearm.You have no idea what they could be hiding.They followed the rules of engagement.
It doesn't require force, but a legitimate reaction to unarmed resistance would be UNARMED RESISTANCE. Not shooting him, it would be subduing him in other ways.
And yes, shooting a guy with a suicide vest would do so much less than just capturing a guy with a suicide vest. Either way if he was hiding a suicide vest he would have killed them.
Quote from: wawi the dogracer extraordinaire on May 03, 2011, 06:34:26 PM
That is extremely a naive way to think. You're making it seem that he was captured, and they casually strolled up to him and executed him just for fame. They followed protocols. Osama Bin Laden was an internationally wanted criminal.
What would the UN Human Rights Council do? Besides, the US isn't fond of following the UN.
How do we know they didn't?
And even still, shooting an unarmed person shouldn't be protocol.
It's like a real life debate about whether Han shot first n_u
Quote from: _you_ on May 03, 2011, 06:44:06 PM
It does when the aggressors have firearms.
That's no reason to kill someone with possibly useful info and/or can serve as a tool for ensuring the dissolution of Al Qaeda.
Too bad he wasn't just captured, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's why he's dead.
From a clearly incompetent president.
Are you suggesting that Osama bin Laden did everything himself?
Not according to rules of engagement.
They found a goldmine of information at the hideout. Having Osama alive would have created a huge mess.
If you think that's the reason why he was killed then that's ridiculous.
The president doesn't come up with their protocols.
No. I never said that.
Quote from: Soycho on May 03, 2011, 06:48:49 PM
It doesn't require force, but a legitimate reaction to unarmed resistance would be UNARMED RESISTANCE. Not shooting him, it would be subduing him in other ways.
And yes, shooting a guy with a suicide vest would do so much less than just capturing a guy with a suicide vest. Either way if he was hiding a suicide vest he would have killed them. How do we know they didn't?
And even still, shooting an unarmed person shouldn't be protocol.
You can sit on your high horse all you want, but until you place yourself in the soldiers' situation, the anxiety and uncertainty of what they go through, then you'll never understand.
Not if you kill him before he can detonate it. Sorry, it's war. It isn't pretty, but it's a reality. Would you have rather had the soldiers wait and be killed?
What if? What if? What if? Personally, I could care less either way. He was scum.
It is though. If you're being threatened than why not? This isn't a fairy tale where the good guys subdue the bad guy and everything is sugar coated and okay. There was a ton of stuff that could have went wrong. I'm just glad to know that someone else I know didn't end up dead to protect the "rights" of someone who never considered anyone else's
Quote from: YPR on May 03, 2011, 06:54:32 PM
It's like a real life debate about whether Han shot first n_u
why george why edit them;-;
Quote from: Soycho on May 03, 2011, 06:48:49 PM
And even still, shooting an unarmed person shouldn't be protocol.
it obviously should if it's a mission to take out the united states' most wanted target
Quote from: YPR on May 03, 2011, 06:54:32 PM
It's like a real life debate about whether Han shot first n_u
Han did shoot first. Fact
next target: oBama Sin laden
Quote from: wawi the dogracer extraordinaire on May 03, 2011, 06:56:56 PM
Not according to rules of engagement.
So let's say I have a gun and you only have your fists. Assuming I'm out of point blank range, would you really want to resist me, when I could end your life in less than a minute?
Quote from: wawi the dogracer extraordinaire on May 03, 2011, 06:56:56 PM
They found a goldmine of information at the hideout. Having Osama alive would have created a huge mess.
The media's mess is the government's treasure. Even if they already had sufficient information, keeping Osama has a hostage should limit Al Qaeda's future actions.
Quote from: wawi the dogracer extraordinaire on May 03, 2011, 06:56:56 PM
If you think that's the reason why he was killed then that's ridiculous.
I don't, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was. Had Obama chose to order Osama's capture, the death would have been regarded as negligence. And what would happen to military funding then?
Quote from: wawi the dogracer extraordinaire on May 03, 2011, 06:56:56 PM
The president doesn't come up with their protocols.
But the president issues the orders. Why did it take so long for the president to issue an order one way or another?
Quote from: wawi the dogracer extraordinaire on May 03, 2011, 06:56:56 PM
No. I never said that.
You might as well have. The only reason why Al Qaeda doesn't have that title is because it's a group of people, not a person. And yet, you eliminate the guy who has the greatest association with the group, but maintain those would literally committed criminal acts.
Quote from: Travis on May 03, 2011, 06:57:18 PM
it obviously should if it's a mission to take out the united states' most wanted target
The target in question isn't the foundation of Al Qaeda. It's already been mentioned that Al Qaeda may have already considered that Osama would have been killed at some point, and thus have established a plan to deal with such fate.
The White House will not release photos of Osama bin Laden's corpse, which will only anger those so-called "deathers."
Quote from: _you_ on May 03, 2011, 09:43:26 PM
So let's say I have a gun and you only have your fists. Assuming I'm out of point blank range, would you really want to resist me, when I could end your life in less than a minute?
Because you have nothing to live for and would rather die a martyr.
QuoteThe media's mess is the government's treasure. Even if they already had sufficient information, keeping Osama has a hostage should limit Al Qaeda's future actions.
No, not a mess of the media. Diplomatic mess. Domestic pressures would call for Osama's execution. International pressures would call for imprisonment. We could not take him anywhere secret because everyone would demand he be given "rights". If he was executed, he was executed, he would be thought of as an even bigger martyr and diplomatic tensions would increase.
QuoteI don't, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was. Had Obama chose to order Osama's capture, the death would have been regarded as negligence. And what would happen to military funding then?
They didn't want the hassle of having Osama alive. He is better off dead.
QuoteBut the president issues the orders. Why did it take so long for the president to issue an order one way or another?
Military protocols are not orders doodhuh; The president may have took so long to issue an order because there can't be room for mistakes. It's not simple decisions they're making.
QuoteYou might as well have. The only reason why Al Qaeda doesn't have that title is because it's a group of people, not a person. And yet, you eliminate the guy who has the greatest association with the group, but maintain those would literally committed criminal acts.
This makes no sense. Can you try rewording it.
QuoteThe target in question isn't the foundation of Al Qaeda. It's already been mentioned that Al Qaeda may have already considered that Osama would have been killed at some point, and thus have established a plan to deal with such fate.
He was the figurehead of Al Qaeda. Of course they have plans to deal with his death. However, Ayman al-Zawahri, who will likely lead Al Qaeda, is not respected and revered as much as Osama Bin Laden. Captured terrorists say that they do not agree with him, he's not a good leader, and he is not as charismatic as Osama. Killing Osama, if anything, was a moral defeat to Al Qaeda.
There was still a firefight, it's not like they caught him pants down in the restroom
Quote from: wawi the dogracer extraordinaire on May 04, 2011, 01:42:59 PM
Because you have nothing to live for and would rather die a martyr.
Then I wouldn't be threatening your life, but eliminating mine goonish
Quote from: wawi the dogracer extraordinaire on May 04, 2011, 01:42:59 PM
No, not a mess of the media. Diplomatic mess. Domestic pressures would call for Osama's execution. International pressures would call for imprisonment. We could not take him anywhere secret because everyone would demand he be given "rights". If he was executed, he was executed, he would be thought of as an even bigger martyr and diplomatic tensions would increase.
Are you serious? Given what many people have been saying about Osama's death, they wouldn't care one way or another what happens to Osama once in captivity. Besides, we're the friggin' USA; if we had to mind to, we could flatten out the Middle East in a full-on offensive. Not necessarily good for national security, and people would hate us, but who exactly has the might to stop us? If we can win battles like the Battle of New Orleans, then we could even win battles against China (and as I understand it, the ratio between British and American troops in the Battle of New Orleans is bigger than the ratio between the number of troops in the Chinese military and the American military, so numbers aren't always of importance).
Quote from: wawi the dogracer extraordinaire on May 04, 2011, 01:42:59 PM
They didn't want the hassle of having Osama alive. He is better off dead.
If Bush was smart enough to simply capture Saddam, then Obama was dumb enough to have Osama killed immediately. Between the two of them, Saddam should have been executed on the spot, as his regime was not based on a foundation as (likey) flexible as Al Qaeda's. And again, if Osama were captured and held as a hostage of sorts, Al Qaeda would have to think twice (or more) about the plans they'd carry out.
Quote from: wawi the dogracer extraordinaire on May 04, 2011, 01:42:59 PM
Military protocols are not orders doodhuh;
Thank you Captain Obvious, but had the president ordered a simple capture, how likely would Osama be dead? Where does murder fit into a capture protocol? All that matters to them is obeying orders and staying funded baddood;
Quote from: wawi the dogracer extraordinaire on May 04, 2011, 01:42:59 PM
The president may have took so long to issue an order because there can't be room for mistakes. It's not simple decisions they're making.
Obviously, but why did he take so long? Ordering a capture and having Osama in custody not only gives us leverage against Al Qaeda, but also gives time for the president to think. Because for all we know, Osama may has escaped again under the radar by the time the team got to the compound. Having Osama already in custody eliminates that possibility, and even if we were to escape, he'd still be in US territory, and it wouldn't take us long to recapture him.
Quote from: wawi the dogracer extraordinaire on May 04, 2011, 01:42:59 PM
This makes no sense. Can you try rewording it.
Take the block from the top of the tower, and the tower is still there baddood;
Quote from: wawi the dogracer extraordinaire on May 04, 2011, 01:42:59 PM
He was the figurehead of Al Qaeda. Of course they have plans to deal with his death. However, Ayman al-Zawahri, who will likely lead Al Qaeda, is not respected and revered as much as Osama Bin Laden.
All the better for Al Qaeda to kiss our asses should we have Osama in our custody.
Quote from: wawi the dogracer extraordinaire on May 04, 2011, 01:42:59 PM
Captured terrorists say that they do not agree with him, he's not a good leader, and he is not as charismatic as Osama. Killing Osama, if anything, was a moral defeat to Al Qaeda.
Which is why they'd want to keep Osama alive by obeying the wishes of the United States. I don't want to give any ideas, but we could generate circumstances that could lead to the annihilation of Al Qaeda. At that point, we could kill Osama, for would we want to risk him trying to rebuild Al Qaeda? If he could rebuild Al Qaeda even close to its original might, then the title of Most Wanted Terrorist would be deserving, as it'd likely be terrorism that'd get him his followers and men.
Plus he'd probably have to demonstrate though combat himself, so if he could stand up to a whole army, some people may consider that admirable (assuming that such people have the same general philosophy or otherwise agree with Osama).
Just saying, but didn't they say he was dead last year?
And a few years before that too?
doodhuh;
Quote from: Insani on May 04, 2011, 06:51:48 PM
Just saying, but didn't they say he was dead last year?
And a few years before that too?
doodhuh;
there was never an official us government confirmation on his death until this week
i find benazir bhutto's claim that bin laden was murdered by the same guy that killed daniel pearl four years ago strange