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General => Philosophy & Scholarly Debate => Topic started by: strongbad on May 12, 2014, 05:26:10 PM

Title: Consciousness and SCIENCE
Post by: strongbad on May 12, 2014, 05:26:10 PM
Also how do you feel about consciousness?

We had a mini unit on consciousness in my cognitive neuro class today, and here were some of the take away points. I don't have references for these unfortunately; they were just things that my professor said.

-Consciousness becomes increasingly complex as an organism's brain becomes more complex (Monkey's have been shown to have theory of mind, crows have been shown to have 3rd order problem solving skills, etc)
--Some neuroscientists believe that even a single neuron posses some form of consciousness (though this is more controversial)

-Consciousness is simply a by-product of brain complexity and has no survival benefits. My professor brought up the zombie analogy, which is apparently used by philosophers. Imagine a zombie that can perform all basic survival functions: Motor skills, reflexes, whatever. What use does it have for consciousness?

-We have the illusion of free will

What does boyah think? Are we robots?
[spoiler]or are we dancersp[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Consciousness and SCIENCE
Post by: silvertone on May 12, 2014, 09:18:20 PM
everything can be mathematically determined
Title: Re: Consciousness and SCIENCE
Post by: ncba93ivyase on May 12, 2014, 09:52:26 PM
saying free will exists as we like to imagine requires some supernatural force since the chemical reactions in the brain need to be 100% reproducible in order to properly function

there's no proof such a thing exists
Title: Re: Consciousness and SCIENCE
Post by: strongbad on May 12, 2014, 10:59:50 PM
Quote from: cybermancer on May 12, 2014, 09:18:20 PM
everything can be mathematically determined

agreed
Title: Re: Consciousness and SCIENCE
Post by: snoorkel on May 13, 2014, 12:23:12 AM
I believe in souls
Title: Re: Consciousness and SCIENCE
Post by: klappa on August 29, 2014, 11:22:22 AM
QuoteImagine a zombie that can perform all basic survival functions: Motor skills, reflexes, whatever. What use does it have for consciousness?


To improve upon those things. ez

Title: Re: Consciousness and SCIENCE
Post by: reeper on September 19, 2014, 12:07:05 AM
Daniel Dennett, he explains consciousness like I've never heard before

http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_dennett_on_our_consciousness?language=en
Title: Re: Consciousness and SCIENCE
Post by: silvertone on November 13, 2014, 02:25:29 AM
Quote from: infinite luxury on May 13, 2014, 12:23:12 AM
I believe in souls
and god is real
Title: Re: Consciousness and SCIENCE
Post by: YPrrrr on November 13, 2014, 02:36:12 PM
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on May 12, 2014, 09:52:26 PM
saying free will exists as we like to imagine requires some supernatural force since the chemical reactions in the brain need to be 100% reproducible in order to properly function

there's no proof such a thing exists
I would say the lack of free will requires some supernatural force (or if we are merely animals acting upon instinct which would be wrong) unless you have some odd definition of free will

Title: Re: Consciousness and SCIENCE
Post by: silvertone on November 14, 2014, 01:47:14 AM
the christian god creates free will sometimes.
Title: Re: Consciousness and SCIENCE
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on May 19, 2017, 08:29:20 PM
free will is an illusion but that doesn't mean it's worthless 5thgrade;
Title: Re: Consciousness and SCIENCE
Post by: Travis on May 19, 2017, 08:43:50 PM
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free will is an illusion but that doesn't mean it's worthless 5thgrade;
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Title: Re: Consciousness and SCIENCE
Post by: rdl on May 19, 2017, 10:53:24 PM
we steer ourselves but everything else is unconscious