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Title: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: Daddy on August 31, 2007, 11:56:59 AM
Prescott Bush--The current president's grandfather--had ties to the Nazi party and plotted to overthrow FDR and create a fascist nation
Here is a source from the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml)

And here is another article

QuoteA BBC Radio 4 investigation sheds new light on a major subject that has received little historical attention, the conspiracy on behalf of a group of influential powerbrokers, led by Prescott Bush, to overthrow FDR and implement a fascist dictatorship in the U.S. based around the ideology of Mussolini and Hitler.

In 1933, Marine Corps Maj.-Gen. Smedley Butler was approached by a wealthy and secretive group of industrialists and bankers, including Prescott Bush the current President's grandfather, who asked him to command a 500,000 strong rogue army of veterans that would help stage a coup to topple then President Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

According to the BBC, the plotters intended to impose a fascist takeover and "Adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression."

   
BBC: Bush's Grandfather Planned Fascist Coup In America
New investigation sheds light on clique of powerbrokers, including Prescott Bush, who sought to overthrow U.S. government and implement Hitlerian policies

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Tuesday, July 24, 2007
      

A BBC Radio 4 investigation sheds new light on a major subject that has received little historical attention, the conspiracy on behalf of a group of influential powerbrokers, led by Prescott Bush, to overthrow FDR and implement a fascist dictatorship in the U.S. based around the ideology of Mussolini and Hitler.

In 1933, Marine Corps Maj.-Gen. Smedley Butler was approached by a wealthy and secretive group of industrialists and bankers, including Prescott Bush the current President's grandfather, who asked him to command a 500,000 strong rogue army of veterans that would help stage a coup to topple then President Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

According to the BBC, the plotters intended to impose a fascist takeover and "Adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression."

(Article continues below)

The conspirators were operating under the umbrella of a front group called the American Liberty League, which included many families that are still household names today, including Heinz, Colgate, Birds Eye and General Motors.

Butler played along with the clique to determine who was involved but later blew the whistle and identified the ringleaders in testimony given to the House Committee on un-American Activities.

However, the Committee refused to even question any of the individuals named by Butler and his testimony was omitted from the record, leading to charges that they were involved in covering the matter up, and the majority of the media blackballed the story.

n 1936, William Dodd, the U.S. Ambassador to Germany, wrote a letter to President Roosevelt in which he stated,

    "A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime.... A prominent executive of one of the largest corporations, told me point blank that he would be ready to take definite action to bring fascism into America if President Roosevelt continued his progressive policies. Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there. Propagandists for fascist groups try to dismiss the fascist scare. We should be aware of the symptoms. When industrialists ignore laws designed for social and economic progress they will seek recourse to a fascist state when the institutions of our government compel them to comply with the provisions."

The proven record of Prescott Bush's involvement in financing the Nazi war machine dovetails with the fact that he was part of a criminal cabal that actively sought to impose a fascist coup in America.

Prescott did not succeed but many would argue that two generations down the line the mission has all but been accomplished.


        
BBC: Bush's Grandfather Planned Fascist Coup In America
New investigation sheds light on clique of powerbrokers, including Prescott Bush, who sought to overthrow U.S. government and implement Hitlerian policies

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Tuesday, July 24, 2007
      

A BBC Radio 4 investigation sheds new light on a major subject that has received little historical attention, the conspiracy on behalf of a group of influential powerbrokers, led by Prescott Bush, to overthrow FDR and implement a fascist dictatorship in the U.S. based around the ideology of Mussolini and Hitler.

In 1933, Marine Corps Maj.-Gen. Smedley Butler was approached by a wealthy and secretive group of industrialists and bankers, including Prescott Bush the current President's grandfather, who asked him to command a 500,000 strong rogue army of veterans that would help stage a coup to topple then President Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

According to the BBC, the plotters intended to impose a fascist takeover and "Adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression."

(Article continues below)

The conspirators were operating under the umbrella of a front group called the American Liberty League, which included many families that are still household names today, including Heinz, Colgate, Birds Eye and General Motors.

Butler played along with the clique to determine who was involved but later blew the whistle and identified the ringleaders in testimony given to the House Committee on un-American Activities.

However, the Committee refused to even question any of the individuals named by Butler and his testimony was omitted from the record, leading to charges that they were involved in covering the matter up, and the majority of the media blackballed the story.


General Smedley Butler, author of the famous quote "war is a racket", exposed the fascist plotters but was subsequently demonized and shunned by the government and the media.

In 1936, William Dodd, the U.S. Ambassador to Germany, wrote a letter to President Roosevelt in which he stated,

    "A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime.... A prominent executive of one of the largest corporations, told me point blank that he would be ready to take definite action to bring fascism into America if President Roosevelt continued his progressive policies. Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there. Propagandists for fascist groups try to dismiss the fascist scare. We should be aware of the symptoms. When industrialists ignore laws designed for social and economic progress they will seek recourse to a fascist state when the institutions of our government compel them to comply with the provisions."

The proven record of Prescott Bush's involvement in financing the Nazi war machine dovetails with the fact that he was part of a criminal cabal that actively sought to impose a fascist coup in America.

Prescott did not succeed but many would argue that two generations down the line the mission has all but been accomplished.

In his documentary film Martial Law, Alex Jones interviews John Buchanan, who was instrumental in uncovering the documents tying Prescott Bush to the financing of the Third Reich. Watch a clip above. The subject is also covered in Alex's upcoming film, End Game, which includes rare video of Smedley Butler's testimony.

Click here to listen to the BBC Radio 4 investigation.

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/240707fascistcoup.htm


I find that highly disturbing, especially considering the power that the Bush family still holds.  Look at all of the stuff that has happened now.  The USA PATRIOT Act, the wiretapping, and the National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive all  are disturbing when you look at the past of the Bush family.  Could Bush be planning to finish what his grandfather tried to start?


What do you think about Prescott Bush's plot?
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: guff on August 31, 2007, 12:10:04 PM
Quote from: JMV290 on August 31, 2007, 11:56:59 AM
Prescott Bush
is dead.
oh and as it clearly says in the article, grandfather, not father

also the article is in the quote twice, though the second instance has an extra paragraph  psyduck;

also i think it's silly
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: Houdini on August 31, 2007, 08:25:56 PM
Prescott Bush was not George W. Bush's dad, farthead.

But it does show that the Bush family is a bunch of scum.
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: Ash on August 31, 2007, 09:29:26 PM
I believe it.

This most likely has to do with the Illuminati.
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: guff on September 01, 2007, 09:05:57 AM
Quote from: Toast on August 31, 2007, 08:25:56 PM
Prescott Bush was not George W. Bush's dad, farthead.
oh yeah way to steal my spotlight =/

Quote from: Ash on August 31, 2007, 09:29:26 PM
This most likely has to do with the Illuminati.
THEY'RE JUST A FRONT FOR THE FREEMASONS
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: Ash on September 01, 2007, 02:18:18 PM
Quote from: Commodore Guff on September 01, 2007, 09:05:57 AM
oh yeah way to steal my spotlight =/
THEY'RE JUST A FRONT FOR THE FREEMASONS


They're practically the same thing aren't they?
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: guff on September 01, 2007, 03:39:47 PM
Quote from: Ash on September 01, 2007, 02:18:18 PM
They're practically the same thing aren't they?
In the sense that they're both secret societies whose activities have been blown out of proportion or completely fabricated by conspiracy theorists, yes.

Otherwise, no.  psyduck;
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: Daddy on September 01, 2007, 06:26:42 PM
Quote from: Toast on August 31, 2007, 08:25:56 PM
Prescott Bush was not George W. Bush's dad, farthead.

But it does show that the Bush family is a bunch of scum.
Oh shit, I meant grandfather.

I didn't know what Guff was talking about until I reread that.

It even said grandfather at the end of my post, when I said, "Could Bush be planning to finish what his grandfather tried to start?"
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: Ash on September 01, 2007, 10:04:58 PM
Quote from: Commodore Guff on September 01, 2007, 03:39:47 PM
In the sense that they're both secret societies whose activities have been blown out of proportion or completely fabricated by conspiracy theorists, yes.

Otherwise, no.  psyduck;


So the Illuminati are made up or Freemasons or is it the other way around?
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: Houdini on September 01, 2007, 10:07:38 PM
Quote from: Ash on September 01, 2007, 10:04:58 PM
So the Illuminati are made up or Freemasons or is it the other way around?
Both of them exist.
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: guff on September 02, 2007, 10:17:12 AM
Quote from: Guava on September 01, 2007, 10:07:38 PM
Both of them exist.
No evidence that the Illuminati is still around, though.
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: superclucky on September 02, 2007, 10:51:42 AM
Quote from: Commodore Guff on September 02, 2007, 10:17:12 AM
No evidence that the Illuminati is still around, though.
The evidence is hidden inside of hallow earth. <3
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: Ash on September 02, 2007, 07:44:44 PM
Quote from: Commodore Guff on September 02, 2007, 10:17:12 AM
No evidence that the Illuminati is still around, though.


Seriously? What about the Freemasons?
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: Daddy on September 02, 2007, 08:02:10 PM
Quote from: Ash on September 02, 2007, 07:44:44 PM
Seriously? What about the Freemasons?
Yeah, they're still around. It's not much of a secret. They have a building somewhere in my city. I forget where exactly, but I drove by it.
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: guff on September 03, 2007, 01:39:02 PM
Quote from: JMV290 on September 02, 2007, 08:02:10 PM
Yeah, they're still around. It's not much of a secret. They have a building somewhere in my city. I forget where exactly, but I drove by it.
There's a Masonic lodge in my town.
The sign for it is right next to one for a Catholic church, which is sort of strange.
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: Gman61 on November 12, 2007, 08:39:41 PM
truth: bush is a bad president
truth he has made mistakes
truth he is not a bad person



PS the patriot act keeps your ass from bieng killed.
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: Daddy on November 12, 2007, 09:01:03 PM
Quote from: Gman61 on November 12, 2007, 08:39:41 PM
truth: bush is a bad president
truth he has made mistakes
truth he is not a bad person



PS the patriot act keeps your ass from bieng killed.
Explain how the USA PATRIOT Act keeps me from getting killed.  Does it protect me from those evil 750,000 Americans on the terror watch list?
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: Gman61 on November 12, 2007, 09:02:50 PM
if some one was talking about doing another 9/11 but we stopped it because we tapped thier phones dont you think that is a good trade off?
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: Daddy on November 12, 2007, 09:05:56 PM
Quote from: Gman61 on November 12, 2007, 09:02:50 PM
if some one was talking about doing another 9/11 but we stopped it because we tapped thier phones dont you think that is a good trade off?
No, because the government had plenty of warning about 9/11 before it happened yet nothing was done to stop it.

The USA PATRIOT Act puts us at a risk of being in danger from our own government, that's not a good trade off.
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: Gman61 on November 12, 2007, 09:06:30 PM
how so? how are we at danger
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: ncba93ivyase on November 12, 2007, 09:11:11 PM
Quote from: Gman61 on November 12, 2007, 09:06:30 PM
how so? how are we at danger
it infringes upon rights once guaranteed upon the constitution, etc

And what dangers is the Patriot Act protecting us from? psyduck;
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: Daddy on November 12, 2007, 09:13:13 PM
Quote from: Gman61 on November 12, 2007, 09:06:30 PM
how so? how are we at danger


On March 9, 2007, a Justice Department audit found that the FBI had "improperly and, in some cases, illegally used the USA Patriot Act to secretly obtain personal information" about United States citizens


Ryan Bird got detained for calling Kip Hawley an idiot.

Unconstitutional wiretapping(I love the bill of rights, i dunno about you)

The aforementioned 750k+ Americans on the terror watch list which is similar to Nixon's "list of enemies"

Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: Gman61 on November 12, 2007, 09:14:22 PM
If a suspected terrorist tries to plan a attack but we have his phone tapped then we catch him before he does it
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: ncba93ivyase on November 12, 2007, 09:25:00 PM
Quote from: Gman61 on November 12, 2007, 09:14:22 PM
If a suspected terrorist tries to plan a attack but we have his phone tapped then we catch him before he does it
okay

Good thing the government is too lazy to take action whenever there will be harm. psyduck;
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: Daddy on November 12, 2007, 09:28:53 PM
Quote from: Gman61 on November 12, 2007, 09:14:22 PM
If a suspected terrorist tries to plan a attack but we have his phone tapped then we catch him before he does it
oopsies.  i guess they forgot that not all terrorists are islamic extremists.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Unabomber.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Klan-in-gainesville.jpg/300px-Klan-in-gainesville.jpg)

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Neo-nazi.jpg)



What about those terrorists who spend all day terrorizing Americans? They were born and raised here.  Nothing seems to be done to stop them.   

They're monitoring hundreds of thousands of people, do you really think they are going to find some islamic extremist easily? 
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: Gman61 on November 13, 2007, 04:28:51 AM
I really think its funny when you make posts backed up with no facts. *sigh* The kuklux clan has a litttle over 1,000 active members. I say active because thier are a lot of old people who habg on to thier biggottrie. No one ever said that all terrorists were muslim. they tap anyone if they are a terrorist suspect.
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: Daddy on November 13, 2007, 09:05:09 AM
Quote from: Gman61 on November 13, 2007, 04:28:51 AM
I really think its funny when you make posts backed up with no facts. *sigh* The kuklux clan has a litttle over 1,000 active members. I say active because thier are a lot of old people who habg on to thier biggottrie. No one ever said that all terrorists were muslim. they tap anyone if they are a terrorist suspect.
Explain how stating that the KKK, Neo-Nazis, The Army of God, and drug cartels aren't any different from islamic terrorists is making a post without facts.

Now, give me the fact that the KKK has only 1000 members.
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: guff on November 13, 2007, 12:09:25 PM
Quote from: Gman61 on November 12, 2007, 09:14:22 PM
If a suspected terrorist tries to plan a attack but we have his phone tapped then we catch him before he does it
okay so how about they get a warrant for it
ps they can get authorization for a wiretap up to 72 hours after it's started; wiretapping without a warrant given the pretty flexible requirements is just plain silly, not to mention unconstitutional
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: Daddy on November 13, 2007, 12:13:47 PM
Quote from: Commodore Guff on November 13, 2007, 12:09:25 PM
okay so how about they get a warrant for it
ps they can get authorization for a wiretap up to 72 hours after it's started; wiretapping without a warrant given the pretty flexible requirements is just plain silly, not to mention unconstitutional
but it stops terrorists cuz its a surprise
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: Gman61 on November 13, 2007, 12:15:14 PM
Some times they dont have time to wait that long.


@jm  NO ONE SAID THAT ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS! so you saying that we did is just stupid
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: Daddy on November 13, 2007, 12:25:15 PM
Quote from: Gman61 on November 13, 2007, 12:15:14 PM
Some times they dont have time to wait that long.
You're an idiot.  He didn't say that they had to wait 72 hours.  He said they have up to 72 hours(3 days, if you can't do math) to obtain a warrant.  It's not that hard to obtain one if they really had a reason to believe that these people are terrorists. Why aren't they getting warrants for the wiretaps on Americans?  It's because there is no probable cause.   

You can sit around sucking the Bush Administration's cock while they are raping your constitutional rights, but anyone else can see how dangerous that is for a free society.

Quote
@jm  NO ONE SAID THAT ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS! so you saying that we did is just stupid
Once again, 3 letters, JMV, not that hard to remember.

Yes, not all terrorists are muslims.   but how r they gonna know who to tap.
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: guff on November 13, 2007, 12:26:10 PM
Quote from: Gman61 on November 13, 2007, 12:15:14 PM
Some times they dont have time to wait that long.
They don't have time to wait up to 72 hours after performing a wiretap to gain authorization? Huh? psyduck;
Quote from: JMV290 on November 13, 2007, 12:25:15 PM
blah blah ramble blah
god damn it you cheated i was here first
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: sans culottes on December 29, 2007, 01:19:13 PM
I don't give a shit.

Bush isn't a good president, but I don't see how having a Nazi grandfather should make him worse. One of my great grandfathers might have been in the KKK (One uncle says he was in it, an aunt says he was asked to join but declined). Would that make me a racist? (And I'm Catholic, Klansmen hate Catholics too)
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: Walter on January 07, 2008, 08:23:46 AM
Quote from: Gman61 on November 12, 2007, 08:39:41 PM
truth: bush is a bad president
truth he has made mistakes
truth he is not a bad person



PS the patriot act keeps your ass from bieng killed.


Lmao, yeah right, it keeps me from being killed. You just keep believing that buddy.

Anyway, I think it is certainly possible that his grandfather had influence on his father and therefore had influence on him. This really does make me worry a bit.
Title: Re: Prescott Bush's plot to overthrow the government and create a Fascist nation
Post by: wawi on January 08, 2008, 12:47:38 PM
Quote from: JMV290 on September 02, 2007, 08:02:10 PM
Yeah, they're still around. It's not much of a secret. They have a building somewhere in my city. I forget where exactly, but I drove by it.

Theres one over here too.