I'm a Christian, so I believe that God made the universe and all that.
I don't understand how people can believe in evolution. They say molecules came together to form something. How did those molecules get there? They just magically appeared? How can one believe in say, ghosts, but not believe that God created everything?
I'm an acosmist, so I believe that the universe doesn't exist and all that.
I don't understand how people can believe in theism. They say god came together to form something. How did god get there? She just magically appeared? How can one believe in say, intelligent design, but not believe that evolution slowly created advanced life forms or we simply don't exist?
Evolution merely states that many animals (highly unlikely that it's "all") originate from a common ancestor, and each species adapts to its environment to survive better. It has nothing to do with how the universe as a whole came about.
Quote from: Lawlz on May 14, 2007, 04:10:16 PM
I'm an acosmist, so I believe that the universe doesn't exist and all that.
I don't understand how people can believe in theism. They say god came together to form something. How did god get there? She just magically appeared? How can one believe in say, intelligent design, but not believe that evolution slowly created advanced life forms or we simply don't exist?
Evolution merely states that many animals (highly unlikely that it's "all") originate from a common ancestor, and each species adapts to its environment to survive better. It has nothing to do with how the universe as a whole came about.
God is God. You don't question God. v;
Quote from: ONEMANFREAKSHOW on May 14, 2007, 04:12:14 PM
Quote from: Lawlz on May 14, 2007, 04:10:16 PM
I'm an acosmist, so I believe that the universe doesn't exist and all that.
I don't understand how people can believe in theism. They say god came together to form something. How did god get there? She just magically appeared? How can one believe in say, intelligent design, but not believe that evolution slowly created advanced life forms or we simply don't exist?
Evolution merely states that many animals (highly unlikely that it's "all") originate from a common ancestor, and each species adapts to its environment to survive better. It has nothing to do with how the universe as a whole came about.
God is God. You don't question God. v;
I can question God all I want.
Quote from: ONEMANFREAKSHOW on May 14, 2007, 04:12:14 PM
God is God. You don't question God. v;
And this is exactly why humanity has remained ignorant for all these centuries.
Question everything. It's how you learn.
Quote from: ONEMANFREAKSHOW on May 14, 2007, 04:06:22 PM
I'm a Christian, so I believe that God made the universe and all that.
I don't understand how people can believe in evolution. They say molecules came together to form something. How did those molecules get there? They just magically appeared? How can one believe in say, ghosts, but not believe that God created everything?
I don't know how you can be so oblivious about this at all. And seriously, how could you not believe in evolution? I mean, it's right fucking in front of us, we know it happens, so why can't people accept that it's probably where we came from, too? The theory of evolution doesn't say what started it existence and the universe, it just states how homosapiens came to be.
Now that that's cleared up, we go to the real question: Where did the matter and existence come from? I still say the Big-Bang. But where the hell did that come from? That, I dunno. But how you come to the conlusion that it was created by a diety is ridiculous, though not moronic, as when thinking of possibilities, I can see that one being an obvious find.. The idea that you close yourself to all other ideas after you find it, and won't accept any other ideas, is ignorant and foolish.
gentleman;
Remember when you learned that matter cannot be created or destroyed? Remember when you learned that energy cannot be created or destroyed? Remember when you learned that no matter the weight of matter, all objects with the same wind resistance drops at the same time?
All things that have truth that you've not taken a deep questioning to, take time to understand.
Quote from: Pennywise on May 14, 2007, 05:55:35 PM
In the beginning was the Word and the word was God and the Word was with God.
It's fairly self explanatory, God has always been in existance, no beginning and no end.
What the finland's with the sudden evolutionary debates?
Wait, I'm in serious discussion. That explains alot.
Who was there in the beginning to prove the existence of god? Until I see proof, which doubt will come after billions, or whatever you guys believe in, years of existence, I will keep writing "god" without a capitalized "G" and not take part in believing him.
QuoteAnd seriously, how could you not believe in evolution?
How could one
believe in evolution? Isn't it right there?
Microevolutionary progress is observable, but there's some huge jumps in assumptions and logic to make an all-encompassing theory.
Evolution, Creationism are probably both wrong. This entire world and everything we know about it came about last Tuesday.
Quote from: Phydeaux on May 15, 2007, 12:39:27 PM
QuoteAnd seriously, how could you not believe in evolution?
How could one believe in evolution? Isn't it right there?
Microevolutionary progress is observable, but there's some huge jumps in assumptions and logic to make an all-encompassing theory.
Evolution, Creationism are probably both wrong. This entire world and everything we know about it came about last Tuesday.
It's Thursday. caterpie;
Quote from: SuperClucky on May 15, 2007, 01:03:47 PM
Quote from: Phydeaux on May 15, 2007, 12:39:27 PM
QuoteAnd seriously, how could you not believe in evolution?
How could one believe in evolution? Isn't it right there?
Microevolutionary progress is observable, but there's some huge jumps in assumptions and logic to make an all-encompassing theory.
Evolution, Creationism are probably both wrong. This entire world and everything we know about it came about last Tuesday.
It's Thursday. caterpie;
My mistake.
Quote from: Phydeaux on May 15, 2007, 01:38:22 PM
Quote from: SuperClucky on May 15, 2007, 01:03:47 PM
Quote from: Phydeaux on May 15, 2007, 12:39:27 PM
QuoteAnd seriously, how could you not believe in evolution?
How could one believe in evolution? Isn't it right there?
Microevolutionary progress is observable, but there's some huge jumps in assumptions and logic to make an all-encompassing theory.
Evolution, Creationism are probably both wrong. This entire world and everything we know about it came about last Tuesday.
It's Thursday. caterpie;
My mistake.
No, you're right. There is also Last Tuesdayism and Last Wednesdayism.
[1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Thursdayism)]
Quote from: Reaper on May 15, 2007, 02:19:58 AM
Quote from: Pennywise on May 14, 2007, 05:55:35 PM
In the beginning was the Word and the word was God and the Word was with God.
It's fairly self explanatory, God has always been in existance, no beginning and no end.
What the finland's with the sudden evolutionary debates?
Wait, I'm in serious discussion. That explains alot.
Who was there in the beginning to prove the existence of god? Until I see proof, which doubt will come after billions, or whatever you guys believe in, years of existence, I will keep writing "god" without a capitalized "G" and not take part in believing him.
As far as I know, Christianity if a belief system based on faith. They have faith, you're not changing that.
(christ ftw)
God made Earth. Without god, you wouldn't be here, or me, Boyah, or anything. Really? Eveloution? Science? Whats up with that? God.
Quote from: ACWW on May 15, 2007, 03:36:10 PM
(christ ftw)
God made Earth. Without god, you wouldn't be here, or me, Boyah, or anything. Really? Eveloution? Science? Whats up with that? God.
Are you saying that science, in general, is fake? v;
Quote from: ACWW on May 15, 2007, 03:36:10 PM
(christ ftw)
God made Earth. Without god, you wouldn't be here, or me, Boyah, or anything. Really? Eveloution? Science? Whats up with that? God.
Proof?
I'll be waiting for the negative results.
Quote from: Lawlz on May 16, 2007, 05:17:25 PM
Quote from: ACWW on May 15, 2007, 03:36:10 PM
(christ ftw)
God made Earth. Without god, you wouldn't be here, or me, Boyah, or anything. Really? Eveloution? Science? Whats up with that? God.
Proof?
I'll be waiting for the negative results.
Same here, I'm in need of a good laugh.
Quote from: ACWW on May 15, 2007, 03:36:10 PM
(christ ftw)
God made Earth. Without god, you wouldn't be here, or me, Boyah, or anything. Really? Eveloution? Science? Whats up with that? God.
Even Pokemon believes in evolution thumbup;
This topic is just like beating a dead horse. All I can say is, there isn't any real proof in god besides "faith", but thats the same thing as saying "I wish that once we die, we all turn into unicorns". I notice that most people only believe in god, because thats what they hope, they hope we have something better then this life.
Nope.
Quote from: Reaper on May 17, 2007, 08:16:34 PM
Quote from: ACWW on May 15, 2007, 03:36:10 PM
(christ ftw)
God made Earth. Without god, you wouldn't be here, or me, Boyah, or anything. Really? Eveloution? Science? Whats up with that? God.
Even Pokemon believes in evolution thumbup;
This topic is just like beating a dead horse. All I can say is, there isn't any real proof in god besides "faith", but thats the same thing as saying "I wish that once we die, we all turn into unicorns". I notice that most people only believe in god, because thats what they hope, they hope we have something better then this life.
Nope, imo.
I corrected your statement.
Quote from: V on May 17, 2007, 08:22:23 PM
Quote from: Reaper on May 17, 2007, 08:16:34 PM
Quote from: ACWW on May 15, 2007, 03:36:10 PM
(christ ftw)
God made Earth. Without god, you wouldn't be here, or me, Boyah, or anything. Really? Eveloution? Science? Whats up with that? God.
Even Pokemon believes in evolution thumbup;
This topic is just like beating a dead horse. All I can say is, there isn't any real proof in god besides "faith", but thats the same thing as saying "I wish that once we die, we all turn into unicorns". I notice that most people only believe in god, because thats what they hope, they hope we have something better then this life.
Nope.
I corrected your statement.
The IMO can be left out, and the statement still be valid, as until proven, Christianity is really only a theory, just like evolution.
There is always something that cannot be explained. The begining of the universe is one. Where did the infinite begin? It never began, it just was. How can it just BE? Nobody knows. There's a name for this sort of conondrum, and it uses God as an excuse for a lot of it.
Quote from: SBKT on May 17, 2007, 09:41:28 PM
There is always something that cannot be explained. The begining of the universe is one. Where did the infinite begin? It never began, it just was. How can it just BE? Nobody knows. There's a name for this sort of conondrum, and it uses God as an excuse for a lot of it.
To me, all explanations about how the universe was created sound far fetched, especially the whole "god" one
Quote from: Reaper on May 17, 2007, 09:45:55 PM
Quote from: SBKT on May 17, 2007, 09:41:28 PM
There is always something that cannot be explained. The begining of the universe is one. Where did the infinite begin? It never began, it just was. How can it just BE? Nobody knows. There's a name for this sort of conondrum, and it uses God as an excuse for a lot of it.
To me, all explanations about how the universe was created sound far fetched, especially the whole "god" one
The Big Bang theory is also a load of bullshit to me. It contradicts the laws of science ("but iz jus s00prcondsedned," shut the hell up), and is overall just foolish. I don't see how so much of the scientific community backs it up.
The expansion of the universe makes sense, but not how it supposedly began, if it's real.
Exactly, so, in theory, we don't actually exist because our universe was never actually started, there was no beginning.
Quote from: ONEMANFREAKSHOW on May 14, 2007, 04:06:22 PM
I'm a Christian, so I believe that God made the universe and all that.
I don't understand how people can believe in evolution. They say molecules came together to form something. How did those molecules get there? They just magically appeared? How can one believe in say, ghosts, but not believe that God created everything?
A better question is how did God get here?
Big Bang theory is true. There's extensive evidence to support it.
Evolution has a few holes. There are a few things that don't quite add up. However, I don't just toss away the whole theory and just come up with a theory based on magic, which is essentially what creationism is.
The first 5 books of the bible are pure and utter fiction. They were made to try and explain something which, at the time, was completely and utterly inexplicable by any logical argument. We have those arguments now, and creationism shouldn't be accepted.
North America is pretty much the only place left where it is.
Quote from: rostilfc on May 18, 2007, 11:32:12 AM
Big Bang theory is true. There's extensive evidence to support it.
Evolution has a few holes. There are a few things that don't quite add up. However, I don't just toss away the whole theory and just come up with a theory based on magic, which is essentially what creationism is.
The first 5 books of the bible are pure and utter fiction. They were made to try and explain something which, at the time, was completely and utterly inexplicable by any logical argument. We have those arguments now, and creationism shouldn't be accepted.
North America is pretty much the only place left where it is.
Actually, if you think about it long enough, there are no holes in it at all. I can only make a shitty visual sketch or something because I'm not good at explaining.
The Big Bang was sort of a reset button on infinite. Another theory of what could have caused it is interdimensional overload.
The Big Bang happened. That's a certainty. We still don't quite know why or how it happened, but it did.
I suppose there's still room for a god there.
Evolution does have a few problems in terms of the actual probability. In it's current form, its still really unlikely in the timeframe it's supposed to have happened in. I still think it holds far more water than Creationism does though. By a long way.
Well, I just want to get into this conversation. Evolution does make sense I guess but that gives you no reason to question God. When you ask "How did God get there?" that is just messed up. What do you mean how He got there he's been there. He's been there forever and that is just way of life. And I'm just wondering how many of you believe in God?
Quote from: jonathanhan on May 18, 2007, 12:44:10 PM
Well, I just want to get into this conversation. Evolution does make sense I guess but that gives you no reason to question God. When you ask "How did God get there?" that is just messed up. What do you mean how He got there he's been there. He's been there forever and that is just way of life. And I'm just wondering how many of you believe in God?
I believe, but am becoming more and more skeptical about it. There is loads of scientific evidence supporting evolution. To believe there is a "God" is to rely on faith, and faith only. There is no fact, if you consider the bible all facts. But to consider the bible fact would be retarded. It could have been revised and there has been too much tampering with it with all the copies being made throughout time.
Quote from: Lawlz on May 17, 2007, 09:48:25 PM
Quote from: Reaper on May 17, 2007, 09:45:55 PM
Quote from: SBKT on May 17, 2007, 09:41:28 PM
There is always something that cannot be explained. The begining of the universe is one. Where did the infinite begin? It never began, it just was. How can it just BE? Nobody knows. There's a name for this sort of conondrum, and it uses God as an excuse for a lot of it.
To me, all explanations about how the universe was created sound far fetched, especially the whole "god" one
The Big Bang theory is also a load of bullshit to me. It contradicts the laws of science ("but iz jus s00prcondsedned," shut the hell up), and is overall just foolish. I don't see how so much of the scientific community backs it up.
The expansion of the universe makes sense, but not how it supposedly began, if it's real.
I'd have to disagree with you there. There is actual proof that could support the Big-Bang theory, and it makes sense with the scientific crapola that goes with it. I dunno where the hell the thing that blew up came from, but matter, such as stars and planets, are formed from supernovas, so why can't some big assed explosion create even more?
Quote from: jonathanhan on May 18, 2007, 12:44:10 PM
Well, I just want to get into this conversation. Evolution does make sense I guess but that gives you no reason to question God. When you ask "How did God get there?" that is just messed up. What do you mean how He got there he's been there. He's been there forever and that is just way of life. And I'm just wondering how many of you believe in God?
You need to get away from your religion field. It isn't messed up to ask a question, especially when people try to disprove atheists with "then how did the world become?".
psyduck;
Quote from: ONEMANFREAKSHOW on May 14, 2007, 04:12:14 PM
Quote from: Lawlz on May 14, 2007, 04:10:16 PM
I'm an acosmist, so I believe that the universe doesn't exist and all that.
I don't understand how people can believe in theism. They say god came together to form something. How did god get there? She just magically appeared? How can one believe in say, intelligent design, but not believe that evolution slowly created advanced life forms or we simply don't exist?
Evolution merely states that many animals (highly unlikely that it's "all") originate from a common ancestor, and each species adapts to its environment to survive better. It has nothing to do with how the universe as a whole came about.
God is God. You don't question God. v;
The reason you don't question god is because when you do, he doesn't answer.
Quote from: ACWW on May 15, 2007, 03:36:10 PM
(christ ftw)
God made Earth. Without god, you wouldn't be here, or me, Boyah, or anything. Really? Eveloution? Science? Whats up with that? God.
Science = logic.
god = blind faith.
Quote from: helter skelter on May 18, 2007, 05:22:49 PM
Science = logic.
god = blind faith.
Quoted for truth and great justice.
Quote from: jonathanhan on May 18, 2007, 12:44:10 PM
Well, I just want to get into this conversation. Evolution does make sense I guess but that gives you no reason to question God. When you ask "How did God get there?" that is just messed up. What do you mean how He got there he's been there. He's been there forever and that is just way of life. And I'm just wondering how many of you believe in God?
Questioning the invisible mysterious flying wizard is what all the ignorant people who have no clue about world do, right?
I think it's so cute how people cover their ears and shout "God was always here! He made everything! You can't question him!"
Questioning is knowledge. If we didn't question the supposedly "inexplicable truths" of the world, we would still be sitting in caves, pounding rocks against dead deers or whatever. To deny your human curiosity and to simply accept something for the sake of accepting is to cease to be human.
I feel very sorry for you. You will never know the thrill of seeking knowledge, but will gladly sit in a dark room, not asking "Why does darkness exist?" but say "Because God made it."
Pity.
Quote from: sn3t on May 20, 2007, 09:37:21 AM
Quote from: jonathanhan on May 18, 2007, 12:44:10 PM
Well, I just want to get into this conversation. Evolution does make sense I guess but that gives you no reason to question God. When you ask "How did God get there?" that is just messed up. What do you mean how He got there he's been there. He's been there forever and that is just way of life. And I'm just wondering how many of you believe in God?
Questioning the invisible mysterious flying wizard is what all the ignorant people who have no clue about world do, right?
I forgot that he made an account here.
i wonder if he is dead
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on May 14, 2007, 04:10:16 PM
I'm an acosmist, so I believe that the universe doesn't exist and all that.
I don't understand how people can believe in theism. They say god came together to form something. How did god get there? She just magically appeared? How can one believe in say, intelligent design, but not believe that evolution slowly created advanced life forms or we simply don't exist?
Evolution merely states that many animals (highly unlikely that it's "all") originate from a common ancestor, and each species adapts to its environment to survive better. It has nothing to do with how the universe as a whole came about.
hehe yeah totally
"I'm an acosmist, so I believe that the universe doesn't exist and all that."
it took a while for lawlz to understand .99999999...=1 so i think that's why he couldn't understand that 2 plus 2 does not equal five at the time
god did make everything
Quote from: squirrelfriend on May 16, 2016, 03:00:02 AM
it took a while for lawlz to understand .99999999...=1 so i think that's why he couldn't understand that 2 plus 2 does not equal five at the time
um no it doesnt
Quote from: squirrelfriend on May 16, 2016, 03:00:02 AM
it took a while for lawlz to understand .99999999...=1 so i think that's why he couldn't understand that 2 plus 2 does not equal five at the time
I forgot about that lol
man this thread was a wild read
Quote from: C.Mongler on May 26, 2016, 08:10:28 AM
man this thread was a wild read
member when we all believed in evolution? Haha how dumb we once were
Quote from: Necro on May 19, 2007, 09:30:28 AM
Quote from: helter skelter on May 18, 2007, 05:22:49 PM
Science = logic.
god = blind faith.
Quoted for truth and great justice.
why did we ever allow a necrophiliac to post here
Quote from: musica.cards on May 18, 2007, 12:23:53 AM
Quote from: ONEMANFREAKSHOW on May 14, 2007, 04:06:22 PM
I'm a Christian, so I believe that God made the universe and all that.
I don't understand how people can believe in evolution. They say molecules came together to form something. How did those molecules get there? They just magically appeared? How can one believe in say, ghosts, but not believe that God created everything?
A better question is how did God get here?
I never understand this retort. How did physical logical elements come from nothing vs how did a miraculous immortal creator come from nothing. Obviously the standard would not be the same
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Quote from: YPargh on February 08, 2017, 08:27:57 AM
Quote from: musica.cards on May 18, 2007, 12:23:53 AM
Quote from: ONEMANFREAKSHOW on May 14, 2007, 04:06:22 PM
I'm a Christian, so I believe that God made the universe and all that.
I don't understand how people can believe in evolution. They say molecules came together to form something. How did those molecules get there? They just magically appeared? How can one believe in say, ghosts, but not believe that God created everything?
A better question is how did God get here?
I never understand this retort. How did physical logical elements come from nothing vs how did a miraculous immortal creator come from nothing. Obviously the standard would not be the same
I don't think it was supposed to be a resort doodhuh;
Quote from: musica.cards on April 07, 2017, 08:08:23 AM
Quote from: YPargh on February 08, 2017, 08:27:57 AM
Quote from: musica.cards on May 18, 2007, 12:23:53 AM
Quote from: ONEMANFREAKSHOW on May 14, 2007, 04:06:22 PM
I'm a Christian, so I believe that God made the universe and all that.
I don't understand how people can believe in evolution. They say molecules came together to form something. How did those molecules get there? They just magically appeared? How can one believe in say, ghosts, but not believe that God created everything?
A better question is how did God get here?
I never understand this retort. How did physical logical elements come from nothing vs how did a miraculous immortal creator come from nothing. Obviously the standard would not be the same
I don't think it was supposed to be a resort doodhuh;
Not in this context but it is often used as one
Fun Fact™ for 2007-era YPR (wow that was ten years ago holy shit): Evolution and Christianity are not mutually exclusive belief systems. Also, the Catholic Church has fully embraced and teaches evolution as part of the regular curriculum. At least, in Europe.
Have your personal beliefs on this matter changed in the past 10 years, 2017 YPR?
i'm curious, you've always struck me as so well educated and proud and defensive (in a noble way) of your catholic philosophy in the often aggressive face of internet atheism
you are an enigma to me
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on April 25, 2017, 10:34:27 AM
Fun Factâ,,¢ for 2007-era YPR (wow that was ten years ago holy shit): Evolution and Christianity are not mutually exclusive belief systems. Also, the Catholic Church has fully embraced and teaches evolution as part of the regular curriculum. At least, in Europe.
Have your personal beliefs on this matter changed in the past 10 years, 2017 YPR?
i'm curious, you've always struck me as so well educated and proud and defensive (in a noble way) of your catholic philosophy in the often aggressive face of internet atheism
you are an enigma to me
Oh cool, thanks. I always kind of assumed people rolled their eyes and muttered about how naive and dumb I was/am girl;
My Catholic schools, and most others I know of actually, taught evolution in our science classes with a caveat that some religious scholars disagreed on the subject. It was generally explained to me, however, that Catholicism and evolution had no major issues and could coexist. Afaik other Christian groups are more strict. Sometimes it seems acceptance of things kind of precedes the Vatican so I'm not sure when it became officially acceptable but in my lifetime it had always been taught as evolution being the most likely.
I am a very lax Catholic especially since moving away from family. I still enjoy the traditions and the moral guidance and I really like the new Pope who I think brings a voice of reason to the world. However there are Catholic ideas I disagree with so I wouldn't say I'm 100% on board. I think the idea that hell awaits anyone who doesn't follow Jesus is ludicrous when God is supposed to be full of unconditional love. That being born in a certain part of the world would increase your likelihood of following another religion and thereby doom you. Plus, if Catholicism is correct and I died today I would likely be damned so it's good for my mental health to kind of hope some aspects are wrong and being a decent person is more important than going to church every week y/n
You are a bad Catholic, but the epitome of a good Christian.
I mean that as a compliment.
happydood;
i don't like protestants, they're violent and fight too many wars
catholics are ogs
Quote from: ADX on April 26, 2017, 07:17:57 AM
i don't like protestants, they're violent and fight too many wars
historically true i guess but i mean i'd say they've settled down a bit in recent... uh, centuries
crusades were catholics, catholics have done way more dmg than protestants in the name of religion.
Quote from: SVT on June 08, 2017, 02:22:52 PM
crusades were catholics, catholics have done way more dmg than protestants in the name of religion.
fuck yeah
We've mellowed out now though we have matured
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on April 26, 2017, 07:19:15 AM
Quote from: ADX on April 26, 2017, 07:17:57 AM
i don't like protestants, they're violent and fight too many wars
historically true i guess but i mean i'd say they've settled down a bit in recent... uh, centuries
>implying the iraq war wasnt protestant aggression