Idk, it does have a genuinely interesting world with plenty of secrets to discover.
The shrines are really clever and well thought out.
I guess as far as what's available in other open world games tho, it's pretty standard.
I absolutely despise it's weapon degradation system
Quote from: Big Goop on June 23, 2018, 12:52:32 PM
Idk, it does have a genuinely interesting world with plenty of secrets to discover.
oh joy, yet another korok seed
oh joy, yet another shrine
and virtually nothing else except for huge pretty landscapes that take way too long to traverse for no good reason
Quote from: Big Goop on June 23, 2018, 12:52:32 PM
The shrines are really clever and well thought out.
with the exact same boring æsthetic
with the exact same maddening music
with the exact same 60 second loading screen upon entry and exit
with the exact same series of completely boring useless cutscenes and copypasted dialogue that are only ever worth sitting through once
oh, and maybe a puzzle or two that spans two or three rooms per shrine... or yet another uninteresting fight with a stupid mini guardian
(https://i.imgur.com/fiux9tv.gif)
Quote from: Big Goop on June 23, 2018, 12:52:32 PM
I guess as far as what's available in other open world games tho, it's pretty standard.
substandard*
Quote from: Big Goop on June 23, 2018, 12:52:32 PM
I absolutely despise it's weapon degradation system
I don't know how Kaz or anyone else could possibly think this is a superior combat system to Skyrim's. smithicide;
solid arguments that I can't really defend tbh
you can climb almost any surface (too bad the stamina meter and rain make it a chore though)
you can set grass on fire and use the updraft to launch yourself into the air. that's pretty cool i guess?
uuuuuuuummmmmmmm
the map isn't a sea of pointless little icons to methodically check; you have to discover everything yourself. too many open world games give you the option of seeing every single point of interest on the map, effectively ruining any sense of discovery and exploration. (too bad the only things to discover are shrines and korok seeds)
uhhh the game is set in a post-apocalyptic world that isn't grey or brown
you can throw your weapons at enemies! you can shield surf down snowy mountains!! you can skip most of the game and go straight to ganon!!!
Quote from: Nyerp on June 23, 2018, 02:04:56 PM
(too bad the stamina meter and rain make it a chore though)
Yeah. awdood;
not to mention the agonizingly slow climbing speed even with ideal weather and peak stamina
Quote from: Nyerp on June 23, 2018, 02:04:56 PM
you can set grass on fire and use the updraft to launch yourself into the air. that's pretty cool i guess?
but how often is it actually useful
Quote from: Nyerp on June 23, 2018, 02:04:56 PM
(too bad the only things to discover are shrines and korok seeds)
qft
also skyrim at the very least isn't guilty of being a sea of map icons
Quote from: Nyerp on June 23, 2018, 02:04:56 PM
uhhh the game is set in a post-apocalyptic world that isn't grey or brown
it is indeed a very good looking game
too bad it runs like sh@ on wii u
Quote from: Nyerp on June 23, 2018, 02:04:56 PM
you can throw your weapons at enemies!
and what an effective combat strategy that is (see: (https://i.imgur.com/fiux9tv.gif))
Quote from: Nyerp on June 23, 2018, 02:04:56 PM
you can shield surf down snowy mountains!!
fun i guess but travel too fast in any one direction and you might end up missing yet another shrine, or yet another korok seed smithicide;
Quote from: Nyerp on June 23, 2018, 02:04:56 PM
you can skip most of the game and go straight to ganon!!!
and this is really only an interesting novelty lol
the physics engine
"huge pretty landscape" as you said yourself
the movement, because as long as these landscapes take to traverse (and i disagree with it being "for no good reason"), it feels great to do it
fuck i love the paraglider
they're inevitably gonna get compared to the dungeons of previous games, but in a vaccuum two of the divine beasts are at least pretty good (the zora one and the gerudo one)
(rito was alright and goron was kind of a waste)
the way stuff reacts to stuff
especially when temperature is involved
the sense of helplessness at the beginning of the game and of power near the end of it
sub-exemples:
- getting hit by lightning for the first time
- getting fucking teared to shreds by a lynel for the first time (and then figuring out you only have to gather the arrows and you can avoid the lynel) (yes figuring that out is in and of itself a thing that the game does well)
- seeing one of those dragons in the distance for the first time and getting closer and that music starts playing
- being able to climb stuff you couldn't in the beginning of the game
- being able to kill stuff you couldn't in the beginning of the game
you know, progression
"a lot of games do these things" yeah well this one does it well, fucking thread title
am i the only one who really liked those maze shrines? you know the ones
actually, all those shrines where you have to do some kind of challenge before you get to the actual shrine
p.s. you don't have my permission to argue my examples
Paraglider is literally the best thing in the game.
That's the one thing it does well
oh boy instead of slowly running in a straight line while a green circle empties i'm slowly falling at an angle while a green circle empties
Quote from: Nyerp on June 23, 2018, 05:14:07 PM
oh boy instead of slowly running in a straight line while a green circle empties i'm slowly falling at an angle while a green circle empties
it's fun. Bite me
Quote from: Thyme on June 23, 2018, 04:27:25 PM
the physics engine
this is the one truly brand new and significant thing that botw does well, the extraordinarily dynamic physics engine has a great deal of potential
...and yet, its actual usefulness is pretty limited outside of a few specific scenarios and puzzles
sure, i can blast a boulder across the map, but how often is that actually helpful to me
sure, i can start a chain reaction that sets a field of grass ablaze, but how often is that actually helpful to me
Quote from: Thyme on June 23, 2018, 04:27:25 PM
"huge pretty landscape" as you said yourself
and i certainly wouldn't deny an opportunity to agree with myself
Quote from: Thyme on June 23, 2018, 04:27:25 PM
the movement, because as long as these landscapes take to traverse (and i disagree with it being "for no good reason"), it feels great to do it
fuck i love the paraglider
sure, gliding is fun/fast/provides an interesting perspective, but again, travel too fast and you'll likely miss yet another shrine, or yet another korok seed awdood;
Quote from: Nyerp on June 23, 2018, 05:14:07 PM
oh boy instead of slowly running in a straight line while a green circle empties i'm slowly falling at an angle while a green circle empties
also, this, fuck; the stamina meter
Quote from: Thyme on June 23, 2018, 04:27:25 PM
they're inevitably gonna get compared to the dungeons of previous games, but in a vaccuum two of the divine beasts are at least pretty good (the zora one and the gerudo one)
(rito was alright and goron was kind of a waste)
sure, i guess you could call them the best of the worst (, ever)
but it's an insult for nintendo to present those glorified shrines as "dungeons" at all
Quote from: Thyme on June 23, 2018, 04:27:25 PM
the way stuff reacts to stuff
especially when temperature is involved
sure, agree'd
Quote from: Thyme on June 23, 2018, 04:27:25 PM
- getting hit by lightning for the first time
yeah dealing with lightning is p. neat
Quote from: Thyme on June 23, 2018, 04:27:25 PM
- getting fucking teared to shreds by a lynel for the first time (and then figuring out you only have to gather the arrows and you can avoid the lynel) (yes figuring that out is in and of itself a thing that the game does well)
i actually retreated from that mission and didn't return until i had the ability to take on the lynel directly, lol
and it wasn't until i approached him with the intention of defeating him that i realized i could have gathered the arrows without disturbing him at all
but i still killed him before doing my gathering because it felt necessary and the lynel loot is p. decent as a plus
Quote from: Thyme on June 23, 2018, 04:27:25 PM
- seeing one of those dragons in the distance for the first time and getting closer and that music starts playing
yeah the dragons certainly do inspire awe
............too bad you can't interact with them in any meaningful way at all
Quote from: Thyme on June 23, 2018, 04:27:25 PM
- being able to climb stuff you couldn't in the beginning of the game
- being able to kill stuff you couldn't in the beginning of the game
you know, progression
"a lot of games do these things" yeah well this one does it well, fucking thread title
yes, the """progression""" from killing a red moblin with 10hp and a damage output of 10, to killing a blue moblin with the exact same godawful ai and moveset, except this time with 1000hp and a damage output of 250
how exciting
at a certain point they just become tedious damage sponges
i would argue that breath of the wild does
not do progression in a satisfying way at all, at least with regard to combat and enemies
it doesn't help that it only has maybe six basic types of mob stooge, relying on literal recolors with adjusted hps and dmg outputs to artificially inflate its cripplingly low enemy 'variety'
Quote from: Thyme on June 23, 2018, 04:27:25 PM
p.s. you don't have my permission to argue my examples
p.s. boyah operates on the principle of free speech, you may want to refamiliarize yourself with our constitution :|
Quote from: Magyarorszag on June 23, 2018, 06:57:52 PM
sure, gliding is fun/fast/provides an interesting perspective, but again, travel too fast and you'll likely miss yet another shrine, or yet another korok seed awdood;
i genuinely don't understand this one or how it's a fault
you don't have to find them all, especially the korok seeds
and imo retreading parts of the map you've already visited to try and find shrines you may have missed is kind of part of the appeal idk, this is what the sheikah detector's for
but real talk?
i agree with the late game monsters being spongey awdood;
i mostly avoid them lmao
actually come to think of it, i've mostly avoided combat the whole game lmao, so there's a chance this may influence my opinion on the game
Quote from: Thyme on June 23, 2018, 04:27:25 PM
am i the only one who really liked those maze shrines? you know the ones
the maze shrine in the northeast corner of the map (lomei labyrinth island) is quite possibly my favorite shrine quest because it feels the most like a proper dungeon of any challenge in the game
and that's
pathetic, because it's literally just a moderately-sized maze with some enemies and secrets/treasure strewn about
but that's somehow much more than any of the divine beasts offer psyduck;
Quote from: Thyme on June 23, 2018, 04:27:25 PM
actually, all those shrines where you have to do some kind of challenge before you get to the actual shrine
i agree because the challenges preceding those shrines are generally much, MUCH more interesting than:
skipping worthless cutscenes upon shrine entry, waiting 60s for the shrine to load, solving yet another two-room puzzle, skipping more worthless cutscenes, and then waiting another 60s for the game to load upon exiting the shrine
or
skipping worthless cutscenes upon shrine entry, waiting 60s for the shrine to load, fighting yet another stupid mini guardian, skipping more worthless cutscenes, and then waiting another 60s for the game to load upon exiting the shrine
with those challenge shrines, the procedure is quite different:
solve a novel challenge that offers a much-needed break from general botw tedium............. skip worthless cutscenes upon shrine entry, wait 60s for the shrine to load, skip more worthless cutscenes, and then wait another 60s for the game to load upon exiting the shrine
(https://i.imgur.com/UvZn97y.png)
Bad game
Quote from: Rin Hoshizora on June 23, 2018, 08:47:38 PM
Bad game
it's too late to pretend like you don't love it now boyo
i expect to see a comprehensive list of things that breath of the wild does well, in your opinion, by tomorrow :|
It's 80% of your grade
Quote from: Big Goop on June 23, 2018, 09:20:10 PM
It's 80% of your grade
yeah i actually am grading you all on the quality of your arguments btw
i'm still waiting for tec to edit the OP with my answers
i mean, that's why it's empty right? so it can be an editing space happydood;
- it's not skyward sword
- dogs
hell yeah dogs
Quote from: Thyme on June 23, 2018, 09:30:20 PM
i'm still waiting for tec to edit the OP with my answers
i mean, that's why it's empty right? so it can be an editing space happydood;
"the lightning" and "the way stuff interacts with stuff" are so insignificant and so vague in the grand scheme of the game that to add them as the only two entries in the comprehensive list of things that breath of the wild does well would only serve to undermine your position if anything, lol
Quote from: Magyarorszag on June 23, 2018, 09:39:52 PM
"the lightning" and "the way stuff interacts with stuff" are so insignificant and so vague in the grand scheme of the game that to add them as the only two entries in the comprehensive list of things that breath of the wild does well would only serve to undermine your position if anything, lol
uh no you add all of them
obviously
Here's a good thing imo...
I like Link and Zeldas character designs.
Counterpoint
Zelda kinda sucks
This may be true in many Zelda games, but there are standouts.
I'm just sad this isn't one of them. Also, her voice acting is lame.
Quote from: Thyme on June 23, 2018, 07:08:34 PM
Quote from: Magyarorszag on June 23, 2018, 06:57:52 PM
sure, gliding is fun/fast/provides an interesting perspective, but again, travel too fast and you'll likely miss yet another shrine, or yet another korok seed awdood;
i genuinely don't understand this one or how it's a fault
you don't have to find them all
Except you
do have to find every single shrine. awdood;
Quote from: Thyme on June 23, 2018, 07:08:34 PM
and imo retreading parts of the map you've already visited to try and find shrines you may have missed is kind of part of the appeal idk, this is what the sheikah detector's for
i guess that isn't so awful but the sheikah sensor's range absolutely sucks
i had to cheat to find the last few undiscovered shrines on my map
I haven't started this yet. Now I'm not sure I even want too.
Quote from: FAMY2 on June 24, 2018, 10:06:28 AM
I haven't started this yet. Now I'm not sure I even want too.
well don't let me discourage you lol, especially if you're a zelda fan
everyone else seems to absolutely love it, and even i would say it's still entirely worth a playthorugh (and i'm actually still willingly going for 100% completion of both the base game and dlc (against my better judgement) despite all my bitter shrieking about it)
http://www.metacritic.com/game/switch/the-legend-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wild
i'm really the odd one out here lol, and i'm
really the odd one out here
the near-unanimous consensus, although i personally disagree with it, is still that the game is absolutely amazing and one of (if not
the) the best zeldas ever (god even typing that out makes me cringe)
[spoiler]
plus after playing it you can submit arguments in its defense to this thread dittodood;[/spoiler]
I have a tendency to be super critical of the newer Zelda games. Anything beyond MM and Ocarina of Time just weren't what I wanted. Wind Waker was ok but for some reason I didn't like it as well. We shall see.
well then play it and join in on bashing it to smithereens with me nyandood;
who knows you might end up loving it since everyone else seems to think it's the greatest thing since oot
- [spoiler](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/zelda/images/f/fa/Kass_Model_%28Breath_of_the_Wild%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20170405054958)[/spoiler]
finally, a solid argument
Quote from: Magyarorszag on June 13, 2017, 01:41:31 PM
[spoiler]
tfw you will never choke kass' chicken[/spoiler]
it does well at being a bad Zelda game
also
>no heart pieces
what the living fuck Nintendo
Heart pieces are still essentially there.
They're just not hearts, but they act the same; collect 4, get your upgrade
Quote from: Magyarorszag on June 24, 2018, 11:00:29 AM
well then play it and join in on bashing it to smithereens with me nyandood;
who knows you might end up loving it since everyone else seems to think it's the greatest thing since oot
i love this game and i still know full well it's very flawed and that anyone who thinks it's the "best thing since oot" is just a nintendrone
it actually really bugs me that breath of the wild was such a big deal when honestly i think mario odyssey was a more important and better game
Quote from: Rin Hoshizora on June 24, 2018, 08:38:04 PM
it actually really bugs me that breath of the wild was such a big deal when honestly i think mario odyssey was a more important and better game
i agree and i haven't even played odyssey
mainline mario>zelda has been the norm ever since galaxy came out over 10 years ago
It's pretty much because Zelda at least changed the formula, for better or for worse, so for nintys, it was "revolutionary"
Odyssey was pretty much a refinement of the mario formula, but did it so damn well.
Quote from: Nyerp on June 24, 2018, 11:07:09 AM
- [spoiler](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/zelda/images/f/fa/Kass_Model_%28Breath_of_the_Wild%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20170405054958)[/spoiler]
QuoteHey, Einstein! I'm on your side!
Quote from: Big Goop on June 24, 2018, 08:53:15 PM
It's pretty much because Zelda at least changed the formula, for better or for worse, so for nintys, it was "revolutionary"
Odyssey was pretty much a refinement of the mario formula, but did it so damn well.
I agree with this. Mario has only gotten better.
I think they strayed to far with Zelda and Link. It seems more like a chore then an adventure.
Tec, no one can bash a game better than you. lmao
ræ i do implore you to play this game as it would be a great shame for you to miss out on a zelda you might end up loving like most everyone else does (for whatever reason)
and even if you do end up having a long list of grievances like i do, i certainly wouldn't mind having some assistance in bashing nyandood;
as you can see, i'm quite outnumbered here lol
also again even as much as i may complain about it, i do still like it and i'm still going for 100% completion lol
Quote from: Thyme on June 23, 2018, 07:12:23 PM
but real talk?
i agree with the late game monsters being spongey awdood;
i mostly avoid them lmao
actually come to think of it, i've mostly avoided combat the whole game lmao, so there's a chance this may influence my opinion on the game
The game itself inadvertently teaches you from very early on that it's often completely pointless to engage with enemies at all. Your reward for destroying your weapon in combat might be... an
inferior weapon and some almost worthless loot. psyduck;
I'm bashing it too lol.
I think I was the original basher here
Quote from: Magyarorszag on June 25, 2018, 12:34:09 PM
Quote from: Thyme on June 23, 2018, 07:12:23 PM
but real talk?
i agree with the late game monsters being spongey awdood;
i mostly avoid them lmao
actually come to think of it, i've mostly avoided combat the whole game lmao, so there's a chance this may influence my opinion on the game
The game itself inadvertently teaches you from very early on that it's often completely pointless to engage with enemies at all. Your reward for destroying your weapon in combat might be... an inferior weapon and some almost worthless loot. psyduck;
breakable weapons being so prevalent was one of the stupidest mistakes even though I haven't played the game yet.
Even elder scrolls got rid of that when skyrim came along. (Though that was okay in elder scrolls)
well you're completely correct about it being one of the stupidest mistakes even though you haven't played the game yet (i do hope you will)
the game actually disincentivizes combat, the very core mechanic of the zelda games since the series' inception psyduck;
And Zelda fancucks claim this is a better combat system than Skyrim's? goonish
Quote from: Magyarorszag on June 25, 2018, 02:17:00 PM
And Zelda fancucks claim this is a better combat system than Skyrim's? goonish
i was initially going to say that i did prefer botw's combat to skyrim's, but near the end of my post i realized i think they're equally
okaybut when i think combat
system, i tend to think more about the ease/fluidity of movement, the different tactics, etc. than the actual weapons available
and in the case of botw, well...
personally i really didn't like not being able to roll, which is something not only the From Software games and God of War games and other various combat-heavy third-person games got me used to but also... previous 3D zelda games??? and is it me or did z-targeting have a weirdly short range? idk
but hey, when it clicked, it clicked
despite not being able to roll, link moved very fluidly and responsively, and there were of course lots of possibilities with arrows and bombs and the environment and the paraglider
too bad it's wasted on such spongey and repetitive enemies
skyrim's combat was v. similar imo, in that it was boring most of the time, and sometimes very janky, creation engine obliged, but did have its exciting moments
unrelentingly forcing a dude down a mountain was the ultimate power fantasy
obligatory "why cant zelda roll" joke
Quote from: Magyarorszag on June 25, 2018, 02:17:00 PM
well you're completely correct about it being one of the stupidest mistakes even though you haven't played the game yet (i do hope you will)
the game actually disincentivizes combat, the very core mechanic of the zelda games since the series' inception psyduck;
And Zelda fancucks claim this is a better combat system than Skyrim's? goonish
I want to get a switch first. Which I don't know when that'll be.
Quote from: Thyme on June 25, 2018, 02:50:45 PM
Quote from: Magyarorszag on June 25, 2018, 02:17:00 PM
And Zelda fancucks claim this is a better combat system than Skyrim's? goonish
i was initially going to say that i did prefer botw's combat to skyrim's, but near the end of my post i realized i think they're equally okay
but when i think combat system, i tend to think more about the ease/fluidity of movement, the different tactics, etc. than the actual weapons available
and in the case of botw, well...
personally i really didn't like not being able to roll, which is something not only the From Software games and God of War games and other various combat-heavy third-person games got me used to but also... previous 3D zelda games??? and is it me or did z-targeting have a weirdly short range? idk
but hey, when it clicked, it clicked
despite not being able to roll, link moved very fluidly and responsively, and there were of course lots of possibilities with arrows and bombs and the environment and the paraglider
too bad it's wasted on such spongey and repetitive enemies
skyrim's combat was v. similar imo, in that it was boring most of the time, and sometimes very janky, creation engine obliged, but did have its exciting moments
unrelentingly forcing a dude down a mountain was the ultimate power fantasy
which system would you say caused you more frustration overall
Quote from: donʼt letʼs on June 25, 2018, 02:54:59 PM
I want to get a switch first. Which I don't know when that'll be.
me neiths but i was stupid enough to have purchased a wii u so lol hocuspocus;
well, botw never crashed on me sillydood;
Quote from: Big Goop on June 25, 2018, 12:34:33 PM
I'm bashing it too lol.
I think I was the original basher here
you definitely were and i had sincerely hoped i would find myself in complete disagreement with you upon playing it myself
Unfortunate, you turned out to be entirely right. smithicide;
Quote from: Thyme on June 25, 2018, 03:20:34 PM
well, botw never crashed on me sillydood;
rofl i'd forgotten that you played skyrim on
ps3 goowan
and certainly that would make your perception of the game more negative than it would otherwise have been, even if you did greatly enjoy it to the extent that you could on the nightmarishly engineered sh@box of a console that was the ps3 lol
Quote from: Magyarorszag on June 25, 2018, 03:17:39 PM
Quote from: donʼt letʼs on June 25, 2018, 02:54:59 PM
I want to get a switch first. Which I don't know when that'll be.
me neiths but i was stupid enough to have purchased a wii u so lol hocuspocus;
I have a wii u but it's got that memory corruption error and I've been needing to send it off for repair for the last 2 years or so. And I'd rather have it on a cartridge than a disc.
here's an undeniable thing that botw did well
[spoiler]it sold well[/spoiler]
And it's pretty much solely responsible for the Switch's wholly undeserved popularity. myface;
I wouldn't say it's fully "undeserved," but it IS wholly overblown
alright so i'm updating the comprehensive list of things that breath of the wild does well
here's what i have so far:
- the way stuff reacts to stuff
- getting hit by lightning for the first time (...and then never again having to worry about it at all)
- [spoiler](https://i.imgur.com/I0bxOy1.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/I0bxOy1.jpg)[/spoiler]
[spoiler]
just look at those bedroom eyes
tfw you'll never touch that hard [glow=black,2,300]beak[/glow] :'([/spoiler]
- $ale$
quite an impressive list if i may say so myself
putindisapproves;
Quote from: Big Goop on June 24, 2018, 06:14:22 AM
Here's a good thing imo...
I like Link and Zeldas character designs.
i'm not even sure i really like zelda's design from the
waist up neck up
she looks even more like a fish than mipha does
her outfit is nice though
and link certainly a cute
Quote from: Big Goop on June 24, 2018, 06:14:22 AM
Zelda kinda sucks
This may be true in many Zelda games, but there are standouts.
I'm just sad this isn't one of them. Also, her voice acting is lame.
and yeah she does happen to be the whiniest, most useless zelda of all time lol
and that's a truly incredible accomplishment
she killed
millions out of sheer incompetence, and literally all she ever does is complain about how hopeless the situation is
Quote from: Thyme on June 25, 2018, 04:52:24 PM
putindisapproves;
rofl
i actually did forget one:
this zelda does have a phat ass tho and lots of people are all over that
of course, this game actually caused more fishfuckers than anything
more like prince sidonmyface amirite
this was an entirely predictable tec thread, D-
i expected better smdh
well forgive me for disappointing but i was in desperate need of a place to vent about this immensely overrated game and challenge some of its innumerable fanbois and defenders directly (http://boyah.net/forums/Themes/smokes2/images/post/angry.gif)
i'm sure even you have your own comprehensive list of things botw does well :|
almost everyone thinks BoTW is overrated except for plebs at this point, it's basically popular opinion. it's also 1000% typical zelda cycle shit lol i'm too lazy to go back in my post history and quote myself a month before this game came out
i think exploring for explorings' sake is relaxing time waster, and i enjoy climbing mountains and then gliding off of them. that about encompasses my list thank you tip your waitress.
i lied i dug it out of the trash
Quote from: C.Mongler on March 01, 2017, 10:57:38 AM
like every single zelda game/high rated game in general i'm sure it will also follow the same cycle of: day 1 "holy fuck does anyone else feel like this is the BEST FUCKING GAME YOU'VE EVER PLAYED???", to a week later of non-stop "hmmm well i know everyone likes it but i'm gonna go against the grain and say it wasn't that great", to two more weeks later where it will hit the honestly, most overated zelda IMO status where it will sit in limbo until the next zelda game comes out, when everyone will start saying "you know, Zelda XYZ didn't really deserve the hate it got; I think it's a real gem in the rough of the series!!!". you can look forward to people liking skyward sword again in like two weeks like the same folks who have a weird fondness for TP now
I'm well aware of what the Zelda cycle is, thank you very much. :|
i'm different and special because i thought it was overrated within a few hours of first playing it, unlike the predictable masses of insincere zelda soyboys who are only now saying it's overrated in retrospect because having a dissenting opinion makes them cool and unique :|
so don't you dare dismiss me as just another insecure disingenuous bandwagoner, it may only seem like i am because i started playing it after the ridiculous hype levels had finally had a chance to cool off akudood;
it's not like i initially thought it was absolutely flawless and perfect, and
then changed my mind to trick suckers into thinking i'm hot sh@ with a bold and brave opinion that just so happened to be diametrically against the grain (you know, the tactic every basic e-"""celeb""" nu-male uses to artificially manufacture views)
dissenting opinions were simply nowhere to be found within the first few months of launch, despite the fact that the game has
extremely severe, blatantly obvious problems that """fans""" and critics alike had just happily been ignoring and excusing away
probably because we as a community have such low expectations for zelda these days, but simply
want to like it because muh nostalgia
or maybe some (by which i mean virtually all) zelda """fans""" are afraid to be critical of it because they unconsciously think it to be a part of their identity, and therefore perceive an 'attack' on zelda to be an 'attack' on themselves (how pathetic)
and that completely absurd reaction to botw, along with that intense sensitivity that poisons zelda discussion in general, perhaps epitomizes the reason why i have unironically taken to calling zelda "the sonic of video games", beginning at least as far back as 2014:
http://boyah.net/forums/index.php/topic,64521.msg1436680.html#msg1436680
http://boyah.net/forums/index.php/topic,65522.msg1457932.html#msg1457932
Quote from: Magyarorszag on May 27, 2016, 11:32:26 PM
Quote from: antmaster5000 on May 27, 2016, 10:35:08 PM
Quote from: Tectron on May 27, 2016, 09:25:57 PM
[spoiler]
yeah there's a reason i used the word "arguably" lol
sonic probably has ~three good games: 2, 3, & knuckles
mega man may be the superior series overall but it's still capcom's sonic[/spoiler]
yeah but that's like saying that mario is nintendo's sonic just because it's the mascot
[spoiler]
zelda is nintendo's sonic[/spoiler]
there's even one featuring your totally new and unique take here:
Quote from: Magyarorszag on August 08, 2017, 10:31:37 AM
Quote from: C.Mongler on August 07, 2017, 06:23:22 AM
Quote from: C.Mongler on March 01, 2017, 10:57:38 AM
like every single zelda game/high rated game in general i'm sure it will also follow the same cycle of: day 1 "holy fuck does anyone else feel like this is the BEST FUCKING GAME YOU'VE EVER PLAYED???", to a week later of non-stop "hmmm well i know everyone likes it but i'm gonna go against the grain and say it wasn't that great", to two more weeks later where it will hit the honestly, most overated zelda IMO status where it will sit in limbo until the next zelda game comes out, when everyone will start saying "you know, Zelda XYZ didn't really deserve the hate it got; I think it's a real gem in the rough of the series!!!".
called em like i sees em
it's why i like to say that zelda is nintendo's sonic
as if we haven't
all been aware of the zelda cycle since at least skyward sword, lol
and finally:
Quote from: Magyarorszag on August 18, 2017, 08:17:08 PM
the influence flow is the other way around
there's a reason that zelda is commonly considered to be the sonic of video games
tbf almost every sony game is ass too and yet have the same golden-boy response so
whatever they're all just video games lol play what you like my dude
I originally thought TP was amazing, and still do.
I was also with Tec in realizing how overrated botw was within a few hours
As for Sony games.... you're on your own there.
my bad, GoW is a breathe of fresh air in an other stagnant and tried industry
it's certainly not an uncharted-like with god of war weapons/enemies and a bit more choice in which hallway you go down
Quote from: C.Mongler on June 27, 2018, 11:02:04 AM
my bad, GoW is a breathe of fresh air in an other stagnant and tried industry
it's certainly not an uncharted-like with god of war weapons/enemies and a bit more choice in which hallway you go down
i never said gow was a revolution.
But it's a damn great game.
All you said was, most sony games are ass.
they're ass in the sense that ya play one you've played em all
much like zoldo or gears of war
Quote from: C.Mongler on June 27, 2018, 03:58:18 AM
tbf almost every sony game is ass too and yet have the same golden-boy response so
whatever they're all just video games lol play what you like my dude
i think you may truly have mastered the art of triggering me lol
okay frist of all
we're not even talking about $ony, and even if we were, the fact that their games might sometimes be overrated doesn't excuse zelda in the least
and in any case, that effect is much,
MUCH more pronounced in zelda, specifically; i don't agree with your perception of $ony games being equally vastly overrated at all lol
sony's last of us clones may be a little derivative, but they all still tend to be p. great
i would
MUCH more readily trust a $ony last of us sim's metacritic score of 94 than a zelda's score of 97, especially botw's
even if both those scores are higher than they ought to be, the disparity between metascore granted and metascore actually deserved in zelda games is simply outrageous compared to just about any other popular game/franchise
zelda reviews just aren't credible in the least (reminder:
phantom hourglass currently sits at a 90 on metacritic :))
and in my opinion, it's:
Quote from: Magyarorszag on June 27, 2018, 12:51:19 AM
probably because we as a community have such low expectations for zelda these days, but simply want to like it because muh nostalgia
or maybe some (by which i mean virtually all) zelda """fans""" are afraid to be critical of it because they unconsciously think it to be a part of their identity, and therefore perceive an 'attack' on zelda to be an 'attack' on themselves (how pathetic)
whereas nobody's afraid of being critical of sony games lol, at least certainly not
nearly to that extent
Quote from: C.Mongler on June 27, 2018, 12:36:29 PM
they're ass in the sense that ya play one you've played em all
much like zoldo or gears of war
also even i wouldn't say this about zelda, especially in light of botw
[spoiler]
although that may just be because, much as i might try to distance myself from them, i too am still a delusional zelda fancuck[/spoiler]
in any case, imo a game being derivative doesn't automatically make it "ass", although if it's a
weak derivative (ie. botw vs skyrim), then it's another story lol
lol visit my favorite video game forum (lol, it's not) resetera if you really think there's not a stan-paradise for sonygames out there
Quote from: Magyarorszag on June 27, 2018, 06:57:30 PM
whereas nobody's afraid of being critical of sony games lol, at least certainly not nearly to that extent
because this is literally not true on
the internet's biggest gaming forum. i made the bold claim that GoW2018 is maybe a soft 8/10 at best and definitely my least favorite of the mainline games and i got dogpiled almost as severely as someone popping in and saying "lol trump is fine!"
i only bring this up because i find the dichotomy to be silly and the notion that sonygames are far more micro-examined and criticized than zoldo/nintendogames is a laughable premise at best. they really aren't.
but you are correct, this is completely a whataboutism and not really relevant when you get down to the brass of it all, i just find it goofy personally.
but probably because this is like the 6th 'BOTW IS OVERRATED, WHO'S WITH ME' thread making the exact same 6 points i've read on the internet in the past 2-weeks and i find this all very blasé at this point
anyway who else thinks mario odyssey is dog shit???
i found the earth-shattering hype and praise for months and months after botw's release to be pretty blasé personally so i'm glad people are actually critiquing the game now instead of deifying it as a revolutionary masterpiece and ignoring any of its flaws
I still see plenty, and PLENTY of people claiming it to be the best zelda ever.
literally the first time i hear about resetera
Quote from: Thyme on June 29, 2018, 10:07:03 AM
literally the first time i hear about resetera
isn't it basically just Neo-Neogaf?
also not to be that guy but i'm totes gonna be that guy
i don't think that's how you use the word blasé
the person is blasé, not the thing the person is tired of
you're blasé about botw's praise
i'm pretty blaséd right now sorry for bad french
Quote from: Nyerp on June 29, 2018, 09:42:37 AM
i found the earth-shattering hype and praise for months and months after botw's release to be pretty blasé personally so i'm glad people are actually critiquing the game now instead of deifying it as a revolutionary masterpiece and ignoring any of its flaws
qf ABSOLUTE t
even if a significant proportion of it is just insincere bandwagoning, at least it's now at all possible to openly acknowledge botw's most inexcusably awful faults without being immediately dismissed
Quote from: Big Goop on June 29, 2018, 09:53:27 AM
I still see plenty, and PLENTY of people claiming it to be the best zelda ever.
and anyone who seriously thinks this is either utterly delusional:
http://boyah.net/forums/index.php/topic,65522.msg1457932.html#msg1457932
or has simply never played a significant non-nintendo game
Honestly, Skyrim should be the gaming equivalent of required reading worldwide. srsly
anyone who hasn't played skyrim is simply not qualified to speak about modern zelda games
Quote from: C.Mongler on June 29, 2018, 06:50:07 AM
lol visit my favorite video game forum
but i already visit boyah every day happydood;
Quote from: C.Mongler on June 29, 2018, 06:50:07 AM
if you really think there's not a stan-paradise for sonygames out there
but i don't think this at all, nor have i ever so much as suggested that i do lol
yes, sony's games are the perfect nu-male fodder for the likes of sonygaffe and nu-sonygaffe
but speaking as a self-aware nu-male myself, sony's last of us sims
are still goodare you SERIOUSLY telling me that botw's 97 metascore reflects your own personal feelings on botw more accurately than tlou's 95 metascore reflects your feelings on tlou, lol
Because then you'd just be flat-out wrong. srsly
Quote from: C.Mongler on June 29, 2018, 06:50:07 AM
Quote from: Magyarorszag on June 27, 2018, 06:57:30 PM
whereas nobody's afraid of being critical of sony games lol, at least certainly not nearly to that extent
because this is literally not true on the internet's biggest gaming forum.
also i actually have no idea what forum you're talking about here lol (although i sure hope it's boyah giggle;)
ign is probably the largest traditional gaming forum with nearly 1.3 million users, and gamefaqs is also larger than neogaffe if that's what you mean
and in any case, "the internet's biggest gaming forum", even if heavily biased towards $ony, in no way represents the
majority opinion on $ony games
it might not even represent the plurality opinion, because there are
so many other large gaming communities out there that don't have the same degree of pro-sony bias, or any pro-sony bias at all
Quote from: C.Mongler on June 29, 2018, 06:50:07 AM
i only bring this up because i find the dichotomy to be silly and the notion that sonygames are far more micro-examined and criticized than zoldo/nintendogames is a laughable premise at best. they really aren't.
except they really, really are
again, i'm not arguing that $ony games aren't overrated, but they're never
nearly as overrated as the zelda series is
Do you
honestly believe that Phantom Hourglass is just as deserving of its 90, and BotW as deserving of its 97, as God of My Wife's Son is deserving of its 94? befuddlement
they are all overrated, but god of war probably actually does deserve around a 90, whereas ph belongs in the mid-70s at best, and botw belongs in the low 80s at best
the
degree to which zeldas are overrated is simply on another level
Quote from: C.Mongler on June 29, 2018, 06:50:07 AM
but probably because this is like the 6th 'BOTW IS OVERRATED, WHO'S WITH ME' thread making the exact same 6 points i've read on the internet in the past 2-weeks and i find this all very blasé at this point
stop grouping me in with the bandwagoners madood;
there may be several like it, but this one is mine, and every word of it is both factual and sincere n_n
Quote from: C.Mongler on June 29, 2018, 06:50:07 AM
anyway who else thinks mario odyssey is dog shit???
b&
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 05, 2018, 07:01:25 PM
Quote from: C.Mongler on June 29, 2018, 06:50:07 AM
anyway who else thinks mario odyssey is dog shit???
b&
i can't wait to see what you have to say about
that one RUB IT
Sadly, you'll be waiting a while for that hot take. goowan
i do fully expect to enjoy it significantly more than i "enjoy" botw, at the very least
i don't expected it to end up within my top 3 moiros, though
alright boyos
[spoiler=defend THIS]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOR_6QBkBGs[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGo4Ift-FWE[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sE2voctJuk[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrOYDPMw12I[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5r4i5SvrCI[/youtube]
[/spoiler]
and all the other completely worthless repetitive little cutscenes that nintendo for some reason assumes you're happy to sit through for the millionth time you painstakingly cook a meal, one single dish at a time, or upgrade armor, one single item at a time, or expand your inventory, one single space at a time, or increase your hearts/stamina, one single unit at a time
yes, they're all skippable, but i shouldn't even have to skip them considering that they add exactly nothing new to the experience after you've seen them once, and forcing me to angrily pummel whatever button it is to skip them every subsequent time is a complete waste of my time
god if i have to hear that useless zelda interrupt me to whine about a blood moon one more time
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 05, 2018, 07:29:20 PM
Sadly, you'll be waiting a while for that hot take. goowan
i do fully expect to enjoy it significantly more than i "enjoy" botw, at the very least
i don't expected it to end up within my top 3 moiros, though
It is best moiroz
Because I actually wanted to finish it and do all the stuff.
Quote from: YPargh on July 10, 2018, 10:08:01 AM
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 05, 2018, 07:29:20 PM
Sadly, you'll be waiting a while for that hot take. goowan
i do fully expect to enjoy it significantly more than i "enjoy" botw, at the very least
i don't expected it to end up within my top 3 moiros, though
It is best moiroz
Because I actually wanted to finish it and do all the stuff.
And you didn't feel that way about either of the Galaxy games? befuddlement
Didn't they add the motorcycle to this one too?
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 08, 2018, 11:14:55 AM
forcing me to angrily pummel whatever button it is to skip them every subsequent time is a complete waste of my time
tec do you have anger problems
Quote from: Rin Hoshizora on July 11, 2018, 07:06:29 PM
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 08, 2018, 11:14:55 AM
forcing me to angrily pummel whatever button it is to skip them every subsequent time is a complete waste of my time
tec do you have anger problems
I was a perfectly calm and peaceful person before I played Botherations of the Wild. argh;
top 3 zelda game
the "systems" are great
combat is great
map is great
characters are great
music is great
the clothing, cooking, and weapons are all fun
no game is perfect, and the shrines all being identical, the lack of story, enemy variety, and lack of tangible rewards do suck, but that doesn't mean a game is bad
y'all are way too critical and only annoyed because you set your expectations for a zelda game too high
the game is a lot of fun, and offers a lot of content
I don't finish many games, and I go back and play more of even less. I still play BotW every once in a while to this day.
It's always funny to me when someone has to say "no game is perfect."
Like, no duh. That's why we're pointing out what sucks in this game.
Also, for me, setting my expectations too high is not the issue.
This game just does some things pretty badly
anyway, I played BotW really heavily for like two weeks after it launched and then completely stopped
tbh I haven't even finished all the shrines, though I did at least map out the world and get the memories and beat all 5 "dungeons". I still haven't gone back for the DLC either.
Open worlds really don't hold my attention as well as more focused objectives. I definitely like OoT, MM, WW, and TP better.
but I wouldn't say this game did nothing good. Some of the new things I like include:
- Rotating 3D dungeon maps
- Infinite remote-detonated bombs
- Magnet and stasis are neat too
- Paraglider aka "Deku leaf that doesn't deplete magic"
- Customizable armor with way more variety than OoT/TP/TFH
- The new Link design RUB IT
- Rito and Zora designs are good too
worst things are probably weapon durability and tiny inventory
Well, me and Tec never said this game didn't do anything well, just a number of dumb decisions.
Quote from: Big Goop on July 22, 2018, 09:20:42 PMTec never said this game didn't do anything well
ifeelbetter;
i will address the other points hiro and blu left later akudood;
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 22, 2018, 09:38:00 PMQuote from: Big Goop on July 22, 2018, 09:20:42 PMTec never said this game didn't do anything well
ifeelbetter;
i will address the other points hiro and blu left later akudood;
oh shit....
the freedom of motion in this game has honestly made other open world games a little frustrating for me. I love being able to just climb up anywhere and jump off anything
maraca guy needs a bigger role
agreed
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 11, 2018, 01:15:12 PMQuote from: YPargh on July 10, 2018, 10:08:01 AMQuote from: Magyarorszag on July 05, 2018, 07:29:20 PMSadly, you'll be waiting a while for that hot take. goowan
i do fully expect to enjoy it significantly more than i "enjoy" botw, at the very least
i don't expected it to end up within my top 3 moiros, though
best moiroz
Because I actually wanted to finish it and do all the stuff.
And you didn't feel that way about either of the Galaxy games? befuddlement
I probably got about ten stars in galaxy 1 and never played galaxy 2 because I disliked Galaxy 1
what's with you people
To be fair I probably just hated it because it was on the Wii like every other game on the Wii aside from SSBB
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 22, 2018, 09:38:00 PMQuote from: Big Goop on July 22, 2018, 09:20:42 PMTec never said this game didn't do anything well
ifeelbetter;
i will address the other points hiro and blu left later akudood;
It's been 5 days since you said this 5thgrade;
Botw is poopoo.
Insert pic of the korok golden poo
Quote from: bluaki on July 27, 2018, 09:47:15 PMQuote from: Magyarorszag on July 22, 2018, 09:38:00 PMQuote from: Big Goop on July 22, 2018, 09:20:42 PMTec never said this game didn't do anything well
ifeelbetter;
i will address the other points hiro and blu left later akudood;
It's been 5 days since you said this 5thgrade;
i'm so much less efficient without drafts >.<
But alright, you asked for it. :|
Quote from: Hiro on July 22, 2018, 01:15:01 PMtop 3 zelda game
Behind...? befuddlement
Quote from: Hiro on July 22, 2018, 01:15:01 PMthe "systems" are great
systems such as
and i would like examples of how they're great pls
Quote from: Hiro on July 22, 2018, 01:15:01 PMcombat is great
...
https://my.mixtape.moe/dybyyx.webm
https://my.mixtape.moe/czvkyc.webm
Quote from: Hiro on July 22, 2018, 01:15:01 PMmap is great
sure, agreed
Quote from: Hiro on July 22, 2018, 01:15:01 PMcharacters are great
pls explain
they're not even good for zelda standards
i need a whole post for just how completely one-dimensional nearly all of botw's characters are
Quote from: Hiro on July 22, 2018, 01:15:01 PMmusic is great
give three examples
it's almost all the instrumental equivalent of mumblecore
Quote from: Hiro on July 22, 2018, 01:15:01 PMthe clothing
i like the idea of having different armor sets but botw's horrible implementation results in a terribly inefficient distribution of abilities/enhancements/powers that require navigating a nightmare of a menu to activate
Quote from: Hiro on July 22, 2018, 01:15:01 PMcooking
more boring tedium
Quote from: Hiro on July 22, 2018, 01:15:01 PMand weapons
break after five hits, what a great reward for spending half an hour poking at a damage sponge of a recolored moblin
Quote from: Hiro on July 22, 2018, 01:15:01 PMno game is perfect, and the shrines all being identical, the lack of story, enemy variety, and lack of tangible rewards do suck, but that doesn't mean a game is bad
y'all are way too critical and only annoyed because you set your expectations for a zelda game too high
the game is a lot of fun, and offers a lot of content
I don't finish many games, and I go back and play more of even less. I still play BotW every once in a while to this day.
i never said it's bad, but it neither does anything new, nor does it recycle any old ideas
welland in the process it manages to completely destroy or seriously weaken many of the traditions that made previous zeldas great (or even identifiable as zelda)
i'm annoyed with the ridiculous botw worship because, if anything, the expectations of zelda """fans""" are far too
low, and that's how we end up with hordes of ultradefensive fanboys praising shallow derivative slop like botw to high heaven
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 28, 2018, 05:54:40 PMBehind...? befuddlement
Waker and Ocarina of Time, just slightly ahead of A Link to the Past
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 28, 2018, 05:54:40 PMQuote from: Hiro on July 22, 2018, 01:15:01 PMthe "systems" are great
systems such as
and i would like examples of how they're great pls
systems being things like physics, fire, electricity, wind, the slate abilities, etc, and how they all interact with each other
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 28, 2018, 05:54:40 PMQuote from: Hiro on July 22, 2018, 01:15:01 PMcombat is great
...
https://my.mixtape.moe/dybyyx.webm
https://my.mixtape.moe/czvkyc.webm
good job cherry picking
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 28, 2018, 05:54:40 PMQuote from: Hiro on July 22, 2018, 01:15:01 PMcharacters are great
pls explain
they're not even good for zelda standards
i need a whole post for just how completely one-dimensional nearly all of botw's characters are
n't see how you could argue that too many characters in other games have much more "depth" to them. I think Zelda got more characterization in this than any other game, and characters like Mipha, Sidon, Kass, Paya, Impa, Urbosa, Daruk, Hestu, Bolson, The Horse God, and Purah, plus there's (I'm guessing) hundreds of other side characters, much of which are at least more than faceless npcs.
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 28, 2018, 05:54:40 PMgive three examples
it's almost all the instrumental equivalent of mumblecore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aWHkYWslcw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQp8Y5qaIp8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jph1ZA59NE8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFkAVcUT2B4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh33z5NFJSY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJlJY8J4PS0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vOIzyDAYDU
Quotei like the idea of having different armor sets but botw's horrible implementation results in a terribly inefficient distribution of abilities/enhancements/powers that require navigating a nightmare of a menu to activate
n't have any issues with the distribution confuseddood;
also the menus are better than any other rpg I've played
Quotemore boring tedium
joyed playing around with it but opinions
Quotebreak after five hits, what a great reward for spending half an hour poking at a damage sponge of a recolored moblin
weapons aren't really a rewards and they last a bit longer than that, besides once you're strong enough you get enough op weapons that one breaking doesn't matter
Quotei never said it's bad, but it neither does anything new, nor does it recycle any old ideas well
and in the process it manages to completely destroy or seriously weaken many of the traditions that made previous zeldas great (or even identifiable as zelda)
i'm annoyed with the ridiculous botw worship because, if anything, the expectations of zelda """fans""" are far too low, and that's how we end up praising shallow derivative slop like botw to high heaven
i'd say if a game does nothing very well then it's not a good game. BotW is a good game.
what traditions does it "destroy" befuddlement
yes it goes against many zelda traditions but the franchise was getting a bit stale and i'd say
most changes were for the better.
the "botw worship" died down like 10 months ago, and you're not special for offering criticisms of it. the general consensus has already swung around to calling it mediocre for a while.
"shallow derivative slop" certainly sounds like you're calling it bad goodjob;
Honestly people will do this no matter what the game is, and if you think BotW isn't very good then I don't know what the hell your standards are for a Zelda game
keep in mind nothing I've said can be equated to fanboy hype or circlejerk praise. It's not the best game that ever has been or will be made.
Honestly, I think if it just had key items, a more direct/lengthy plot, and some actual dungeons it probably would be the best Zelda.
imo botw actually has a lot of good music tracks
but during 99% of the gameplay you won't be hearing them myface;
the OST just released like a month ago
also more minor, but the visual style has been my dream for the series since like 2006, and the new enemies like Lynels and Guardians are fun and add a challenge that the series hasn't really had before
Quote from: bluaki on July 28, 2018, 07:47:32 PMimo botw actually has a lot of good music tracks
but during 99% of the gameplay you won't be hearing them myface;
I'll agree with that, though it was intentional and while I think the quiet minimalism is kinda nice too, it doesn't help the music argument
I always thought Link's face looked a bit weird....
There's an extra criticism :)
The problem with changing up the formula, to me, is that they basically copied most other open world games, that did it better.
There are ways to change up the Zelda formula without making another open world game, and Link Between Worlds was an example of a good start to that.
Quote from: bluaki on July 22, 2018, 09:15:05 PMOpen worlds really don't hold my attention as well as more focused objectives. I definitely like OoT, MM, WW, and TP better.
agreed, although i would modify this to say
poorly designed/unstructured[/li][/list] open worlds, which botw's certainly is
even skyrim has more structure, and dark souls 1 is probably the purest example of a (well-)structured open world, and both of those are way better at holding one's attention and not being a tedious drag than botw is
Quote from: bluaki on July 22, 2018, 09:15:05 PM- Rotating 3D dungeon maps
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ne@ i guess but p. minor
Quote from: bluaki on July 22, 2018, 09:15:05 PM- Infinite remote-detonated bombs
- Magnet and stasis are neat too
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i suppose, yeah
would prefer more traditional weapons and powers too though
Quote from: bluaki on July 22, 2018, 09:15:05 PM- Paraglider aka "Deku leaf that doesn't deplete magic"
st]
Instead, it depletes stamina. smithicide;
just as bad, arguably even worse in the earlier parts of the game
Quote from: bluaki on July 22, 2018, 09:15:05 PM- Customizable armor with way more variety than OoT/TP/TFH
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Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 28, 2018, 05:54:40 PMi like the idea of having different armor sets but botw's horrible implementation results in a terribly inefficient distribution of abilities/enhancements/powers that require navigating a nightmare of a menu to activate
Quote from: bluaki on July 22, 2018, 09:15:05 PM- The new Link design RUB IT
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>.<
https://boyah.net/forums2/index.php/topic,69830.0.html
Quote from: bluaki on July 22, 2018, 09:15:05 PM- Rito and Zora designs are good too
st]
yeah the game's sthetix in general are pretty great as i've freely admitted before
Quote from: bluaki on July 22, 2018, 09:15:05 PMworst things are probably weapon durability and tiny inventory
and having to deal with stupid k*rok seeds and stupid h*tsu to expand inventory space
you know, the cooking system has a ton of unused potential. it's way too simplified as-is, and it's way too easy to make dishes that basically break the game. you shouldn't be able to throw one truffle into a pot and suddenly you've got max hearts. it just bugs me to see huge potential wasted
similarly, just when you think the combat is a bit samey, suddenly you discover lynels and realize they're fun as fuck to fight. so why aren't there more enemies with varied movesets and imposing presences like lynels? they really missed an opportunity here. i feel like this actually stuck to the zelda formula too much, where you have mostly samey enemies but ONE type of enemy that's particularly fun to fight. in prior games it's been either darknuts or knuckles. now it's lynels, i guess. so for a game that's got so much goddamn stuff in it, i was hoping for some more fun enemies. i will at least admit that the big desert worms are pretty neat, but they're a bit buggy and unfortunately don't pose much of a threat. i was especially annoyed, btw, that the hinoxes are so lame.
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 28, 2018, 09:03:28 PMeven skyrim has more structure, and dark souls 1 is probably the purest example of a (well-)structured open world, and both of those are way better at holding one's attention and not being a tedious drag than botw is
skyrim didn't really hold my attention at all *shrug*
Quotewould prefer more traditional weapons and powers too though
I agree with this
Quote from: Rin Hoshizora on July 28, 2018, 09:14:20 PMyou know, the cooking system has a ton of unused potential. it's way too simplified as-is, and it's way too easy to make dishes that basically break the game. you shouldn't be able to throw one truffle into a pot and suddenly you've got max hearts. it just bugs me to see huge potential wasted
similarly, just when you think the combat is a bit samey, suddenly you discover lynels and realize they're fun as fuck to fight. so why aren't there more enemies with varied movesets and imposing presences like lynels? they really missed an opportunity here. i feel like this actually stuck to the zelda formula too much, where you have mostly samey enemies but ONE type of enemy that's particularly fun to fight. in prior games it's been either darknuts or knuckles. now it's lynels, i guess. so for a game that's got so much goddamn stuff in it, i was hoping for some more fun enemies. i will at least admit that the big desert worms are pretty neat, but they're a bit buggy and unfortunately don't pose much of a threat. i was especially annoyed, btw, that the hinoxes are so lame.
I agree with all of these
Quote from: Hiro on July 28, 2018, 07:32:14 PMQuote from: Magyarorszag on July 28, 2018, 05:54:40 PMBehind...? befuddlement
Wind Waker and Ocarina of Time, just slightly ahead of A Link to the Past
alright i know this is a matter of opinion but is botw REALLY better than mm, alttp, ooa/oos, mc, la, or even albw to you >.<
Quote from: Hiro on July 28, 2018, 07:32:14 PMQuote from: Magyarorszag on July 28, 2018, 05:54:40 PMQuote from: Hiro on July 22, 2018, 01:15:01 PMthe "systems" are great
systems such as
and i would like examples of how they're great pls
the systems being things like physics, fire, electricity, wind, the slate abilities, etc, and how they all interact with each other
sure, they're advanced and cool/innovative and probably the one truly new thing that botw does relatively well
but (aside from the slate) how often are they ever
actually useful outside of the occasional (shrine) puzzle
Quote from: Hiro on July 28, 2018, 07:32:14 PMQuote from: Magyarorszag on July 28, 2018, 05:54:40 PMQuote from: Hiro on July 22, 2018, 01:15:01 PMcombat is great
...
https://my.mixtape.moe/dybyyx.webm
https://my.mixtape.moe/czvkyc.webm
good job cherry picking
well feel free to convince me that it's "great" lol
even skyrim has (MUCH) better general combat
[to be continued]
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 28, 2018, 10:08:02 PMalright i know this is a matter of opinion but is botw REALLY better than mm, alttp, ooa/oos, mc, la, or even albw to you >.<
Because I enjoyed it more than those lmao
*SPOILERS AHEAD, SKIP THIS POST R AND LOTE*Quote from: Hiro on July 28, 2018, 07:32:14 PMZelda
*whine* WAAAAAH I'M SO BAD AT EVERYTHING *kills everyone*
this zelda is the most annoying, most whiny, most criminally useless zelda in any zelda game ever lol awdood;
she's a step away from being the chairman mao of zeldas
Quote from: Hiro on July 28, 2018, 07:32:14 PMMipha
I LOVE YOU LINK LET ME HEAL YOUR WOUNDS *dies*
Quote from: Hiro on July 28, 2018, 07:32:14 PMSidon
ehQuote from: Hiro on July 28, 2018, 07:32:14 PMKass
once again, tfw you'll never choke kass' chicken
Quote from: Hiro on July 28, 2018, 07:32:14 PMPaya
generic shy demure anime girl who not-so-secretly wants to peg the hero's b*yahpussy but okay i guess
Quote from: Hiro on July 28, 2018, 07:32:14 PMImpa
meh
Quote from: Hiro on July 28, 2018, 07:32:14 PMUrbosa
mommy
(and i mean she's actually like the whole team's mom lol)
Quote from: Hiro on July 28, 2018, 07:32:14 PMDaruk
*yawn*Quote from: Hiro on July 28, 2018, 07:32:14 PMHestu
unbelievably annoying and only exists to waste my time
Quote from: Hiro on July 28, 2018, 07:32:14 PMBolson
kindly step the fuck; away from my house :)
Quote from: Hiro on July 28, 2018, 07:32:14 PMThe Horse God
What's so interesting about him beyond character design? befuddlement
Quote from: Hiro on July 28, 2018, 07:32:14 PMPurah
meh
potentially interesting backstory that was woefully underdeveloped
Quote from: Hiro on July 28, 2018, 07:32:14 PMhundreds of other side characters, much of which are at least more than faceless npcs.
Hundreds? SocksDood;
99% of whom are just basic questgivers who i can't even remember at all
it's such a crying shame that ALL ~3 of this game's remotely interesting characters are long dead well before the game even begins
[to be continued]
This is my favorite thread.
So that's a thing botw does well
Quote from: bluaki on July 28, 2018, 07:47:32 PMimo botw actually has a lot of good music tracks
but during 99% of the gameplay you won't be hearing them myface;
the OST just released like a month ago
i really liked the music too, it does get really repetitive after awhile though, it'd be nice for some variation on the ones you hear so frequently.
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 28, 2018, 09:04:39 PMQuote from: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo on July 26, 2018, 09:17:07 PMmaraca guy needs a bigger role
Quote from: Snowy on July 27, 2018, 11:07:34 AMQuote from: Hiro on July 26, 2018, 09:25:20 PMagreed
i mean do you guys really like annoying sh@ like this
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 08, 2018, 11:14:55 AM[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOR_6QBkBGs[/youtube]
im gonna pull your pants down and spank your bare bottom
cooking is too tedious for me to do often and idk how to fuck to make potions
you should be able to ride the ostriches in this game
also how do you go down a list of noteworthy botw characters and fail to mention riju, one of the only people in the entire game with even a tiny shred of '''personality'''
she is at least as interesting as sidonmyface
I like Riju too I just had too many people in that list to keep track of
but I think Sidon is more memorable anyway
Quote from: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo on July 29, 2018, 01:11:42 AMcooking is too tedious for me to do often and idk how to fuck to make potions
The game tells you in item descriptions which materials make potions lol
Here's one very personal thing I have to say about botw....
It's one of only 3 Zelda games that I didn't have any desire to replay after finishing.
The dlc tempted me a bit, but in the end, I don't care
Quote from: Hiro on July 28, 2018, 07:32:14 PMQuote from: Magyarorszag on July 28, 2018, 05:54:40 PMgive three examples
it's almost all the instrumental equivalent of mumblecore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aWHkYWslcw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQp8Y5qaIp8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jph1ZA59NE8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFkAVcUT2B4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh33z5NFJSY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJlJY8J4PS0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vOIzyDAYDU
three of these are musical spoils so i didn't listen to them, but they're endgame/boss themes so i trust that they're good
although the hyrule castle theme is probably a remix, as is the rito village theme (great as it may be)
tarrey town is meh
korok village is decent
the guardian theme is actually pretty good
in any case, that's seven songs in a game that's probably around 150 hrs long, two are remixes (assuming hyrule castle is), and two are decent at best
it feels like even the few good songs that botw has would be average compositions in any other zelda
also, odd opinion: i genuinely like the lost woods/labyrinth shrine theme lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxxSaGPz6WA
but even that's only
relatively good because the rest of botw's soundtrack is so painfully unremarkable
also, what blu said
Quote from: bluaki on July 28, 2018, 07:47:32 PMimo botw actually has a lot of good music tracks
but during 99% of the gameplay you won't be hearing them myface;
although i certainly would not say it has "a lot" of good tracks, lol
also the main botw theme is top 5 zelda songs
and tec did you even do the tarrey town side quest
i've done every single sidequest in the main game thank you very much SocksDood;
where do you even hear the main theme outside of the trailer befuddlement
What even is the botw main theme?
It comes up a few times but I'm not sure about the exact arrangement used in trailers
wasn't really talking about in-game though, it's just a goddamn good song
Quote from: Big Goop on July 29, 2018, 09:12:46 PMWhat even is the botw main theme?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDHw7EarfOk
also looking into it, it plays at the very beginning and end of the game
sidon was c ool as shit
do you think link fucked that fish girl
tfw you will never a fish
unfortunately no
Quote from: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo on July 29, 2018, 09:32:24 PMdo you think link fucked that fish girl
She probably wanted to but no.
basically everyone in botw wants Link to "nock their arrows", except maybe Urbosa who seems a lot closer to Zelda sillydood;
Quote from: Hiro on July 28, 2018, 07:32:14 PMthe "botw worship" died down like 10 months ago, and you're not special for offering criticisms of it. the general consensus has already swung around to calling it mediocre for a while.
alright i absolutely need to address this before i proceed ghouldood;
you're not special for saying "you're not special for offering criticisms of [botw]", in fact you're not even the first to say almost that exact thing in this very thread lol
i addressed this EXACT point when c.mongler tried and
MISERABLY failed to make it five whole pages ago, and it applies exactly to you too:
Quote from: C.Mongler on June 26, 2018, 06:08:07 PMalmost everyone thinks BoTW is overrated except for plebs at this point, it's basically popular opinion. it's also 1000% typical zelda cycle shit lol i'm too lazy to go back in my post history and quote myself a month before this game came out
i think exploring for explorings' sake is relaxing time waster, and i enjoy climbing mountains and then gliding off of them. that about encompasses my list thank you tip your waitress.
Quote from: Magyarorszag on June 27, 2018, 12:51:19 AMI'm well aware of what the Zelda cycle is, thank you very much. :|
i'm different and special because i thought it was overrated within a few hours of first playing it, unlike the predictable masses of insincere zelda soyboys who are only now saying it's overrated in retrospect because having a dissenting opinion makes them cool and unique :|
so don't you dare dismiss me as just another insecure disingenuous bandwagoner, it may only seem like i am because i started playing it after the ridiculous hype levels had finally had a chance to cool off akudood;
it's not like i initially thought it was absolutely flawless and perfect, and then changed my mind to trick suckers into thinking i'm hot sh@ with a bold and brave opinion that just so happened to be diametrically against the grain (you know, the tactic every basic e-"""celeb""" nu-male uses to artificially manufacture views)
dissenting opinions were simply nowhere to be found within the first few months of launch, despite the fact that the game has extremely severe, blatantly obvious problems that """fans""" and critics alike had just happily been ignoring and excusing away
probably because we as a community have such low expectations for zelda these days, but simply want to like it because muh nostalgia
or maybe some (by which i mean virtually all) zelda """fans""" are afraid to be critical of it because they unconsciously think it to be a part of their identity, and therefore perceive an 'attack' on zelda to be an 'attack' on themselves (how pathetic)
and that completely absurd reaction to botw, along with that intense sensitivity that poisons zelda discussion in general, perhaps epitomizes the reason why i have unironically taken to calling zelda "the sonic of video games", beginning at least as far back as 2014:
http://boyah.net/forums/index.php/topic,64521.msg1436680.html#msg1436680
http://boyah.net/forums/index.php/topic,65522.msg1457932.html#msg1457932
Quote from: Magyarorszag on May 27, 2016, 11:32:26 PMQuote from: antmaster5000 on May 27, 2016, 10:35:08 PMQuote from: Tectron on May 27, 2016, 09:25:57 PM[spoiler]
yeah there's a reason i used the word "arguably" lol
sonic probably has ~three good games: 2, 3, and knuckles
mega man may be the superior series overall but it's still capcom's sonic[/spoiler]
yeah but that's like saying that mario is nintendo's sonic just because it's the mascot
[spoiler]
zelda is nintendo's sonic[/spoiler]
there's even one featuring your totally new and unique take here:
Quote from: Magyarorszag on August 08, 2017, 10:31:37 AMQuote from: C.Mongler on August 07, 2017, 06:23:22 AMQuote from: C.Mongler on March 01, 2017, 10:57:38 AMlike every single zelda game/high rated game in general i'm sure it will also follow the same cycle of: day 1 "holy fuck does anyone else feel like this is the BEST FUCKING GAME YOU'VE EVER PLAYED???", to a week later of non-stop "hmmm well i know everyone likes it but i'm gonna go against the grain and say it wasn't that great", to two more weeks later where it will hit the honestly, most overated zelda IMO status where it will sit in limbo until the next zelda game comes out, when everyone will start saying "you know, Zelda XYZ didn't really deserve the hate it got; I think it's a real gem in the rough of the series!!!".
called em like i sees em
it's why i like to say that zelda is nintendo's sonic
as if we haven't all been aware of the zelda cycle since at least skyward sword, lol
and finally:
Quote from: Magyarorszag on August 18, 2017, 08:17:08 PMthe influence flow is the other way around
there's a reason that zelda is commonly considered to be the sonic of video games
lmao
i still love it after this thread and idc about not being special happydood;
Quote from: Hiro on July 29, 2018, 09:56:02 PMlmao
His argument truly was ridiculous, wasn't it? srsly
I'm glad you both are now in full agreement that I am not, in any sense, just another desperate bandwagon critic. happydood;
People still think I'm crazy when I tell them I didn't think botw was all that great.
Mostly at work
it's possible that i'm particularly frustrated with this game right now because i've spent the last few days farming for starbits insultdood;
why would you do that though
And why should an opinion have to be """"""special"""""" (and meet Hiro's or Mongler's personal criteria for """"""special"""""", at that) to be worth sharing, anyway? ghouldood;
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 30, 2018, 03:43:34 AMAnd why should an opinion have to be """"""special"""""" (and meet Hiro's or Mongler's personal criteria for """"""special"""""", at that) to be worth sharing, anyway? ghouldood;
ah, it always brings me joy when you stuff words into my mouth daddy lubdoods;
You gave my much-needed thread of hot takes and unique perspectives a D- and falsely accused me of being a poser. Take it like a man. :|
they aren't hot takes when they are the same takes 80% of the internet has presented already. they are mild bbq takes at best.
Quote from: C.Mongler on July 30, 2018, 07:02:22 AMthey aren't hot takes when they are the same takes 80% of the internet has presented already. they are mild bbq takes at best.
And once again, the only reason I'm late to this BBQ party is because I didn't start playing this game until a full pregnancy after everyone else had. :|
i don't give a sh@ that some other nu-male might have expressed similar thoughts elsewhere earlier, lol
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 30, 2018, 07:07:51 AMi don't give a sh@ that some other nu-male might have expressed similar thoughts elsewhere earlier, lol
that's your prerogative, i just call normies when i see em
Nintendo really fucked this one up by not having the balls to have Link go through with his fish marriage.
The bringing of real world stigma into the game totally killed all sense of immersion for me
Quote from: Hiro on July 28, 2018, 07:32:14 PMthe general consensus has already swung around to calling it mediocre for a while.
also this is completely false and you know it lol
Quote from: Hiro on July 28, 2018, 07:32:14 PM"shallow derivative slop" certainly sounds like you're calling it bad (https://boyah.net/forums/Smileys/default/black.png)
I called it "shallow" because it's shallow. 5thgrade;
If Skyrim is a puddle, then BotW is a glass of spilled milk on a perfectly flat countertop that Zelda herself knocked over and started crying about. srs
i called it "derivative" because it does almost nothing new (though that in and of itself isn't necessarily a bad thing, a game doesn't have to be revolutionary to be great)
and i called it "slop" because many of its implementations of old, mature ideas are inexcusably sloppy, and basically none of them are executed well, hence the title (and
that's the bad thing)
botw is disappointing and drab, but i've never called the game as a whole "bad" and i still wouldn't
despite my many grievances i would still say it's worth forcing oneself through to the end, if only to get a complete understanding of just how many problems it has and brace for the direction that nu-zelda will be taking from now on
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 30, 2018, 08:10:03 AMalso this is completely false and you know it lol
(https://i.giphy.com/media/aVBcwz1jd28A8/giphy.webp)
Well it's at least the best console Zelda since WW amirite
Quote from: YPargh on July 30, 2018, 08:41:31 AMWell it's at least the best console Zelda since WW amirite
(https://i.giphy.com/media/aVBcwz1jd28A8/giphy.webp)
What is it cool to like TP again?
Game was boringggggg
Quote from: YPargh on July 30, 2018, 10:00:11 AMWhat is it cool to like TP again?
Game was boringggggg
e it's a great game.
Better than OoT
Don't @ me
That's just wrong
Voice acting is bad
Quote from: YPargh on July 30, 2018, 10:00:11 AMWhat is it cool to like TP again?
Game was boringggggg
some reason, yeah
it will forever be bottom-tier zelda to me
it's not my least favorite Zelda game ever, but TP is at least my least favorite 3D Zelda
Quote from: Samus Aran on July 30, 2018, 09:06:27 PMit's not my least favorite Zelda game ever, but TP is at least my least favorite 3D Zelda
of the ones i played, same
i haven't played SS
Skyward Sword, as incredibly flawed as it may be, still ended up being better written than TP and is a very aesthetically pleasing game if nothing else, whereas TP is butt uggo
but it has bomb bowling!!!
it's funny because despite that feature, there's no bomb bowling minigame and there actually was an effective bomb bowling minigame in Ocarina of Time
Quote from: Samus Aran on July 30, 2018, 09:06:27 PMit's not my least favorite Zelda game ever, but TP is at least my least favorite 3D Zelda
yeah same
Quote from: Samus Aran on July 30, 2018, 09:09:57 PMSkyward Sword, as incredibly flawed as it may be, still ended up being better written than TP and is a very aesthetically pleasing game if nothing else, whereas TP is butt uggo
SS is somewhere in the middle of my Zelda rankings, definitely far from great but I had fun with it and there's some good things to be said about it
Really if any Zelda games have ever needed remakes, I would say Majora's Mask, Skyward Sword, and Zelda II are the prime candidates.
Quote from: Samus Aran on July 30, 2018, 09:11:45 PMbut it has bomb bowling!!!
it's funny because despite that feature, there's no bomb bowling minigame and there actually was an effective bomb bowling minigame in Ocarina of Time
also running up large enemies' shields to get behind them was sweet
I can't agree with SS being better than TP at all.
A comprehensive list of things that Twilight Princess does well:
-amazing Hyrule field theme, some of the other music is quite good too
-good Ganondorf swordfight (almost makes up for the terrible beast Ganon fight)
-Midna is an enjoyable character imo
-enhanced Wind Waker's combat system. some of the new moves are kinda awkward but it's overall an improvement
-Wolf Link is fun to play as (but unfortunately most of the time being in the Twilight world is NOT fun)
i think this is a good list. there are about four times as many things i could put in a list of problems with the game
That's more done well than SS
hot take: most tp fans really just like midna's arse
i like the yeti level a lot. being a wolf in the mountain is so cool
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 30, 2018, 09:29:40 PMhot take: most tp fans really just like midna's arse
not "just" to be fair lol
I think the production value is solid, music is good, and for its time the map was a big improvement for the series
there's
some fun dungeons too I suppose, and Midna is an alright character
but yeah if we're going to critique TP that should probably be a different thread
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 30, 2018, 09:29:40 PMhot take: most tp fans really just like midna's arse
her design is oddly sexual imo
Quote from: Big Goop on July 30, 2018, 09:27:54 PMThat's more done well than SS
boyahbby
Quote from: sc2020 on July 30, 2018, 09:31:13 PMi like the yeti level a lot. being a wolf in the mountain is so cool
honestly that level is one of my least favorite dungeons in any Zelda
Dancing baby, eh?
i beat twilight princess and can't tell you anything ab out it except for wolf link, shadow with the orange hand, and the Malo Mart theme
Quote from: Big Goop on July 30, 2018, 09:31:49 PMQuote from: Magyarorszag on July 30, 2018, 09:29:40 PMhot take: most tp fans really just like midna's arse
not "just" to be fair lol
true, i suppose they also like the thought of being sat on and bullied and treated like a steed by a rude shadowy demoness
tp fans all just want to be midna's personal property lol
she is the ultimate normiebait PROVE ME WRONG
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 30, 2018, 09:36:42 PMQuote from: Big Goop on July 30, 2018, 09:31:49 PMQuote from: Magyarorszag on July 30, 2018, 09:29:40 PMhot take: most tp fans really just like midna's arse
not "just" to be fair lol
true, i suppose they also like the thought of being sat on and bullied and treated like a steed by a rude shadowy demoness
tp fans all just want to be midna's personal property lol
she is the ultimate normiebait PROVE ME WRONG
I don't even really know what this means.
it means i'm way more likely to unwittingly encounter lewds of midna than i am of, say, fi or tatl (the thinking man's waifu) akudood;
or even zelda, for god's sake
I just can't help but find it a little suspect that the very first thing that comes up among TP fans is Midna. girl;
My argument on that is that Midna is a better character than them, and she stands out.
But I've heard your thoughts on that before.
I know that you're all already well aware of how I feel about Midna. girl;
Tec I think you need to reevaluate your definition of normie
normies all look at and/or draw hentai duh
Midna is by far the most popular waifu choice in the Zelda series for reasons that are beyond obvious. That makes her prime normiebait. akudood;
Best waifu in Zelda is Gerudo Link
Quote from: Big Goop on July 30, 2018, 10:00:12 PMBest waifu in Zelda is Gerudo Link
>.<
https://boyah.net/forums2/index.php/topic,69830.0.html
lmao I guarantee that Zelda herself is the most popular choice in general, and more people would probably pick a lot of other characters before Midna
it's just that Midna fans are freaks and put out a ton of fanart akudood;
Midna fans are the vocal minority
the real good shit is art of tiny navi jackin' off link's dick and being drowned in spooge
or tatl, if you prefer
or tael for the yaoi fans
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 30, 2018, 09:49:44 PMit means i'm way more likely to unwittingly encounter lewds of midna than i am of, say, fi or tatl (the thinking man's waifu) akudood;
or even zelda, for god's sake
I just can't help but find it a little suspect that the very first thing that comes up among TP fans is Midna. girl;
I just searched on gelbooru for an example myface;
There's 54% more explicit images tagged princess_zelda than midna. Considering there's only two versions of midna (imp and true form) while Zelda has at least 5 popular incarnations that's a ridiculous amount of Midna, but still less overall.
imo sexualizing imp midna at all is disgusting but only 20% of her content is true form
even though i think it's gross, i understand why people are into imp midna because her design is inherently sexual-looking
wut
Quote from: Samus Aran on July 30, 2018, 09:57:50 PMnormies all look at and/or draw hentai duh
i mean yeah they actually do
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like, a lot
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 31, 2018, 11:51:00 AMQuote from: Samus Aran on July 30, 2018, 09:57:50 PMnormies all look at and/or draw hentai duh
i mean yeah they actually do
Quote(https://i.imgur.com/8AYvIWu.png) (https://www.pornhub.com/insights/2017-year-in-review)
(https://i.imgur.com/datlEnZ.png) (https://www.pornhub.com/insights/2017-year-in-review)
like, a lot
asian milf stepmom cuckold creampie isn't an option
now what will i beat off to
Accordion bird is cool
Quote from: Hiro on July 30, 2018, 10:30:18 PMher design is inherently sexual-looking
explain this
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 30, 2018, 09:58:02 PMMidna is by far the most popular waifu choice in the Zelda series for reasons that are beyond obvious. That makes her prime normiebait. akudood;
(https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/zelda_gamepedia_en/thumb/2/22/LA_Marin_Artwork.png/242px-LA_Marin_Artwork.png?version=385607c9b1b20aaf6972166ad44db599)
ah, i see you're a thinking man yourself
marin is THE quintessential zelda waifu
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 31, 2018, 03:03:43 PMah, i see you're a thinking man yourself
marin is THE quintessential zelda waifu
Marin is an asskicker in Hyrule Warriors
Quote from: Hiro on July 28, 2018, 07:32:14 PMn't have any issues with the distribution (https://boyah.net/forums/Smileys/default/confuseddood.png)
my problems with botw's armor/clothing setup are:
1. you can't equip full sets in one click, instead having to separately equip one piece at a time through that nightmare of a menu
2. some of those abilities really should be stackable or not armor-dependent at all psyduck;
things like movement speed should be either permanent upgrades, or tied to a single armor piece (eg. footwear for speed, gloves for climbing)
the way it was done in previous zeldasit's ridiculous that it takes an entire outfit to boost my running or climbing speed or dmg output (etc.), and that i'm limited to just one of those enhancements at a time (unless i eat smth, ugh)
Quote from: Hiro on July 28, 2018, 07:32:14 PMalso the menus are better than any other rpg I've played
SocksDood;
i mean, maybe in the sense that it's not literally a menu navigator the way your average turn-based jrpg is
but you still spend an absurd amount of time navigating menus of the most boring kind in botw because the inventory is so horribly designed
Quote from: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo on July 30, 2018, 03:10:23 PMVoice acting is bad
not only is it generally poor, it's mostly wasted on characters who are absolutely lifeless
Yunobo (had to look his name up because literally who again lol) doesn't have a single important line in the entire game, and yet he's voiced. psyduck;
Quote from: Samus Aran on July 30, 2018, 01:28:56 AMQuote from: Hiro on July 29, 2018, 11:45:59 PMwhy would you do that though
because i'm a self-hating idiot with irrepressible completionistic tendencies and i insist on not only acquiring every piece of armor, but also upgrading it all awdood;
minor complaint but it's baffling that botw can't do something even as basic as this well:
why, when equipped with the ancient saddle, does the horse spawn facing the opposite direction link is, requiring you to do a 180 degree turn every single time before you can proceed psyduck;
i literally rode a horse for all of 30 seconds in my 45 hours in that game lol
Quote from: Magyarorszag on August 02, 2018, 11:21:56 PMit's ridiculous that it takes an entire outfit to boost my running or climbing speed or dmg output (etc.), and that i'm limited to just one of those enhancements at a time (unless i eat smth, ugh)
it doesn't take an entire outfit though, the full outfit just provides the biggest boost in whatever you're using. I will agree that stat boosts should stack though.
Quote from: Magyarorszag on August 08, 2018, 12:56:42 AMminor complaint but it's baffling that botw can't do something even as basic as this well:
why, when equipped with the ancient saddle, does the horse spawn facing the opposite direction link is, requiring you to do a 180 degree turn every single time before you can proceed psyduck;
I haven't found this to be true befuddlement
where tf the Poes at
Quote from: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo on August 11, 2018, 12:35:51 PMwhere tf the Poes at
srsly
where are all of these:
Quote from: Khadafi on July 31, 2018, 11:30:07 AMMost of the *blins and some lizalfos, plus their skeletons made it. Small things like Chuchus, octoroks, and keese made it. Some of the larger minibosses (lynel, hinox) made it but it is missing:
Stalfos
Redeads/Gibdos
Darknuts and/or Iron Knuckles
Poes
Wall/floor masters
Beamos
Like Like
Tektite
Dodongo
Skulltilla
Deku {baba, scrub} (or even NPC dekus)
Wolfos
Armos
Peahat
These are enemies that were pretty common in some of the bigger games, if not most of of them, and i'm not sure how even the DLC didn't bring these guys in.
Is there at least a cemetery? No Poes. Cries.
Quote from: FAMY2 on August 11, 2018, 03:38:38 PMIs there at least a cemetery? No Poes. Cries.
ikr awdood;
also did you buy this game with your sw*tch y/n
Quote from: Magyarorszag on August 11, 2018, 03:43:47 PMQuote from: FAMY2 on August 11, 2018, 03:38:38 PMIs there at least a cemetery? No Poes. Cries.
ikr awdood;
also did you buy this game with your sw*tch y/n
I got the Switch, BOTW, BOTW controller, a pro controller and The Complete Guide Collector's Edition. All for 300 and the two controllers and book have never been used. My friend has tons of money so he made me a deal. lmao.
i'm a little jealous :'(
So is BotW the only game you own for it at the moment? Have you started it yet? nyandood;
Quote from: Magyarorszag on August 12, 2018, 02:15:50 PMi'm a little jealous :'(
So is BotW the only game you own for it at the moment? Have you started it yet? nyandood;
No. I thought I'd skim through the book real quick and get an idea what is what. And yes it's the only game so far. n_u
don't even bother with the book imo, unless you truly get stuck
just dive right into the wild tomatoes;
I really should. I've done amazing with the rest of them. n_n
Quote from: C.Mongler on August 08, 2018, 07:52:28 AMi literally rode a horse for all of 30 seconds in my 45 hours in that game lol
Quote from: FAMY2 on August 12, 2018, 04:59:40 PMI really should. I've done amazing with the rest of them. n_n
And of course, be sure to continually update us about what you think as you play through. tomatoes;
Quote from: ClassicTyler on August 12, 2018, 05:02:28 PMQuote from: C.Mongler on August 08, 2018, 07:52:28 AMi literally rode a horse for all of 30 seconds in my 45 hours in that game lol
they're practically useless for the general gameplay but quite convenient when farming random bullshi
Tyler, what did
you think of this game? girl;
doin some dlc and the new shrines are fun and challenging but doing the divine beast fights again is kinda lame
*upgrades five dozen pieces of armor one piece at a time, one level at a time, four times each*
oh my (https://boyah.net/forums/Smileys/default/seeforever.png)ING god
Maybe you should like, I dunno, do it incrementally while doing other things in the game
It's like you're trying to make it as un-fun as possible
this snow area is fucking garbage
Get the snow boots and it's much much better
even i didn't find the snow area too bad, just make sure you go in prepared
all you need to do is have a flame weapon equipped lol, you don't even have to go crazy with food/potions or insulated armor (i didn't rely on consumables at all)
the snow boots certainly help but i think i did most of the area without them
That reminded me of a cool thing botw COULD HAVE done well...
Shield-boarding...
Then I remembered it kills your shield even faster than normal use.
Quote from: Big Goop on August 14, 2018, 08:35:28 PMThat reminded me of a cool thing botw COULD HAVE done well...
Shield-boarding...
Then I remembered it kills your shield even faster than normal use.
I believe the shield-sledding doesn't actually damage your shield at all if you do it correctly, only if you hit hard surfaces like rocks.
Quote from: bluaki on August 14, 2018, 11:44:59 PMQuote from: Big Goop on August 14, 2018, 08:35:28 PMThat reminded me of a cool thing botw COULD HAVE done well...
Shield-boarding...
Then I remembered it kills your shield even faster than normal use.
I believe the shield-sledding doesn't actually damage your shield at all if you do it correctly, only if you hit hard surfaces like rocks.
Idk, I've done it just down smooth hills, and it just broke without any special impact, like a rock or whatever
where do you get the boots
Quote from: Big Goop on August 14, 2018, 11:49:49 PMQuote from: bluaki on August 14, 2018, 11:44:59 PMQuote from: Big Goop on August 14, 2018, 08:35:28 PMThat reminded me of a cool thing botw COULD HAVE done well...
Shield-boarding...
Then I remembered it kills your shield even faster than normal use.
I believe the shield-sledding doesn't actually damage your shield at all if you do it correctly, only if you hit hard surfaces like rocks.
Idk, I've done it just down smooth hills, and it just broke without any special impact, like a rock or whatever
It's actually programmed with some realism. Shield sledding on sand and snow doesn't damage your shield at all, because they're very soft surfaces. All other surfaces, however, will damage your shield. Rocky terrain is worse for your shield than grass, and when it's raining on these surfaces you can go even faster. Landing from drops on these hard surfaces is particularly bad for your shield, especially for rocky surfaces.
Sooo tbh it's done exactly how it should be. Within the context of an equipment degradation system, they created a pretty optimal and realistic damage scale for shield sledding. I can't really imagine it being done any better in this context. The only thing that would make it "better" is if equipment didn't degrade at all, really.
But tbh if you're only sledding on surfaces that you should be, its overall effect on your shield is negligible compared to normal usage.
It's hilarious though when your shield breaks while sledding and you go flying to your death.
i need a tec response to this
Quote from: Big Goop on August 15, 2018, 10:40:36 AMi need a tec response to this
i hardly ever shield surfed at all aside from the very few times it was necessary lol
i did it so infrequently that i actually never did have a shield break on me lol, although i knew that could happen and it's possible that knowing that discouraged me from surfing when i otherwise might have
idk i guess imo shield surfing is fun (...for botw standards) but just not all that useful
the problem with moving at a high velocity in this game is you might speed right by
yet another shrine, or
yet another korok seed
Quote from: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo on August 15, 2018, 03:13:17 AMwhere do you get the boots
I believe it's the side quest with the guy who walks around the outside of the Gerudo village, first is a quest for sand boots and then one for snow boots
started and finished the trials of the sword
what an unimaginative challenge for dlc
its september 2018 play something else already argh;
i would absolutely love to be playing something else lol
but i am obligated to 100% finish this, it's not a choice
tbf I don't think I've ever had fun 100%ing any game ever in existence
the funny think is i don't think i've ever 100%ed any zelda game (never once collected every single heart piece), but for some reason i feel obligated to 100% this one
really it's because you can actually track your quest and sidequest progress in this game, unlike any other zelda
why are you doing this to yourself
i'm wondering the same thing
i think it's because 1. it's easier to track quest progress in this zelda than in any before it, and you certainly know and feel if you've missed something because the quest journal would be incomplete, whereas with other zeldas it's harder to know without consulting a guide and why really cares about getting all 20 heart containers anyway
the ability to track quests is one thing i actually do appreciate about botw, that feature was long overdue in zelda
and 2. for critique purposes, i can't know the true extent to which this game UTTERLY fails unless i do everything it has to offer
and the filler is some of the worst content botw has to offer, i'd be remiss to simply ignore it and fool myself into thinking the game is better than it is by just skipping over its worst parts
[youtube] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q57eQqq9-IA&feature=youtu.be&t=1m56s [/youtube]
oh god lol
well, i guess that's undeniably one thing breath of the wild did well
Quote from: Hiro on August 14, 2018, 07:43:29 AMMaybe you should like, I dunno, do it incrementally while doing other things in the game
but doing it incrementally rather than in as few fairy trips as possible would cumulatively waste even
more of my time
Quote from: Hiro on August 14, 2018, 07:43:29 AMIt's like you're trying to make it as un-fun as possible
No, actually N*ntendo's inexcusably awful, inconsiderate game design is to blame for that. srs
oh my god i am FINALLY finished upgrading every single piece of armor in the game
never again will i have to get serially molested by thicc great fairies #metoo :'(
Now I can
finally work towards beating this piece of slop and move on to vastly superior games. (http://tinyimg.io/i/RCXGSOP.gif)
i think all that's left is the meat of dlc 2, and then it's off to hyrule castle once and for all
i feel like it's pointless to look at the idea of 100%ing a game (which you're not btw, there's tons of shit collection sidequests and of course the korok seeds) and be like "yeah, that would be awful but i can do it so i guess i will" and then say you're doing it so you can better critique the game
because 1. you're not a critic you don't have some large audience you need to feel any obligation toward
and 2. it's more than good enough to stop short and say "it's there, it sucks, so i'm not going to do it and neither should you"
i definitely did a ton of what that game has to offer though. i did all the shrines because for the most part, they're enjoyable. if there were no motion control ones and less of the "test of strength" ones, i'd have no problems with the shrines themselves - i'd only have a problem with the idea of shrines taking precedent over dungeons. and i think i did upgrade the blue armor with the dragon pieces all the way because i actually quite liked hunting those pieces, i thought the dragons were really cool (and let's be real it's honestly super quick to do this if you're doing it right, the dragons have specific spawn times/spots and predictable movement and you can slow down time to hit the right part)
Quote from: Samus Aran on October 03, 2018, 01:03:58 AMi feel like it's pointless to look at the idea of 100%ing a game (which you're not btw, there's tons of shit collection sidequests and of course the korok seeds)
What? Are there any sidequests aside from the 76 that have journal entries? befuddlement
i am certainly not crazy enough to go chasing after every korok seed lol
https://zelda.gamepedia.com/100%25_Completion#Breath_of_the_Wild
QuoteAfter completing the Main Quest "Defeat Ganon", a completion percentage will appear on the Sheikah Slate map in the bottom left corner. It takes into account the following:
All 4 Divine Beasts (0.32%)
All 900 Korok Seeds (72%)
All 120 Ancient Shrine Discoveries (9.6%)
All 226 Location Discoveries (18.08%)
This is such a nightmarishly awful distribution of
things to do. Really,
72% of the game is Korok Seeds? ugly;
it's completely nonsensical to go by such badly defined 100% completion criteria anyway because it somehow doesn't formally include a single quest lol
so you're right, i'm definitely not going by the game's official completion tracker (which i didn't even know existed until just now), but i am doing everything for which completion is not utterly pointless (maximally upgraded armor is certainly a lot more valuable (even if i'm never going to use most of it), and a lot easier to achieve, than 900 korok seeds)
also imo 'it's there, it sucks, but it's okay because it's OPTIONAL' is never an excuse for weak game design, i mean why is it there at all then lol
it's true that i don't have to play it but the reason i'm doing it, in addition to wanting a full sense for how thoroughly this game fails for my own personal critiquing purposes, is really because botw makes it very easy to see and track what has and hasn't been done, perhaps unfortunately for me because now i can't just see that some task is incomplete in my menu screen and leave it alone, even knowing that pursuing completion of that task would be extremely tedious lol
i do acknowledge that i am acting as my own enemy here but i can't help it
ironically, for that very reason, it's going to end up being the one and only zelda game in which i obtain every heart piece or heart piece equivalent
the game doesn't make it easy to know which of the overwhelming number of korok seeds you've missed, however, and that coupled with the fact that there's no reward for obtaining them all means i can just ignore them, nintendo's terrible completion tracker be damned lol
Quote from: Samus Aran on October 03, 2018, 01:03:58 AM(and let's be real it's honestly super quick to do this if you're doing it right, the dragons have specific spawn times/spots and predictable movement and you can slow down time to hit the right part)
sure but the dragons very quickly become just a drag, they're cool at first but under no circumstances should i need to repeat the same shallow task 50 times to make progress
Quote from: Samus Aran on October 03, 2018, 01:03:58 AMyou're not a critic you don't have some large audience you need to feel any obligation toward
How presumptuous.
Quote from: Magyarorszag on October 03, 2018, 02:11:17 AMalso imo 'it's there, it sucks, but it's okay because it's OPTIONAL' is never an excuse for weak game design, i mean why is it there at all then lol
no it's not an excuse at all, but you don't have to do it and cause yourself pain lol, that was my point. but at least you seem to understand you're "your own enemy" here, as you put it.
Quote from: Magyarorszag on October 03, 2018, 02:11:17 AMQuote from: Samus Aran on October 03, 2018, 01:03:58 AM(and let's be real it's honestly super quick to do this if you're doing it right, the dragons have specific spawn times/spots and predictable movement and you can slow down time to hit the right part)
sure but the dragons very quickly become just a drag, they're cool at first but under no circumstances should i need to repeat the same shallow task 50 times to make progress
was it that many? maybe i didn't upgrade it entirely then idk, i just know that what dragon grinding i did do didn't take way too long
Quote from: Magyarorszag on October 03, 2018, 02:11:17 AMQuote from: Samus Aran on October 03, 2018, 01:03:58 AMyou're not a critic you don't have some large audience you need to feel any obligation toward
How presumptuous.
time for you to start that youtube channel then
Quote from: Samus Aran on October 03, 2018, 02:20:43 AMwas it that many? maybe i didn't upgrade it entirely then idk, i just know that what dragon grinding i did do didn't take way too long
i was exaggerating when i said this but i just looked it up and you need 39 dragon parts total for all upgrades smithicide;
plus at least three more as part of a dlc quest, and at least one for a certain base game quest, and maybe more for other reasons i'm forgetting
so actually yeah, very nearly 50 lol
Quote from: Samus Aran on October 03, 2018, 02:20:43 AMtime for you to start that youtube channel then
What makes you think I haven't? :|
also i take it then that the 76 journal quests are the only sidequests (please god no more), in which case yes
of course i'm doing all of them as well against my better judgement
i only have two left, both of which require me entering hyrule castle which i'm saving for last
Almost every single DLC item is something that would have been infinitely more useful in the 95% of BotW that you've likely already completed by the time you get to the DLC.
(http://tinyimg.io/i/2lWNxdB.gif)
so dlc 2's challenges comprise:
-16 new shrines that are practically indistinguishable from the 120 already in the base game
-YOU GET TO FIGHT EXACTLY THE SAME FOUR UNREMARKABLE DIVINE BEAST BOSSES AGAIN
really, nintendo
really
this is what i paid $20 for
this is the game suckers are salivating over
and once again, the rewards are all things that would have been infinitely more useful had they been obtainable in the base game
(http://tinyimg.io/i/2lWNxdB.gif)
the good news: i am so very nearly finished with this slop
i have probably no more than 2/5 of dlc 2 left to complete, and then it's off to hyrule castle
>there is not enough inventory space to be able to keep every piece of armor in the game
You're kidding, right? Surely this must be some sort of bad joke. befuddlement
They want you to keep it in your house sillydood;
nintendo is just trying to teach you a valuable lesson about hoarding
do u really need all those armors u can only wear one at a time
Quote from: C.Mongler on October 15, 2018, 05:38:05 AMdo u really need all those armors u can only wear one at a time
Yes.
Quote from: Big Goop on October 14, 2018, 12:41:36 PMThey want you to keep it in your house sillydood;
i wouldn't be nearly as annoyed by this if i could at least store my hard-earned articles of clothing at my house or smth, but alas, i guess something even that basic was just too much for nintendo to implement
even despite the programming for item storage already existing in the BASE gameso i was forced to sell off all my monster masks and parts of the tingle set
that i paid real money for in order to make space for the last few pieces of armor that i needed (armor of the wild and royal guard set)
one last point to emphasize just how poor of a value this dlc set is, and more generally how little respect this game has for its players, i suppose
Thanks Nintendo. 5thgrade;
on the plus side, i've finally finished every single one of the 132 shrines, and i'm finally finished collecting armor :'(
all that's left is tackling hyrule castle and finishing off two reaming castle-area sidequests, challenging ganon, and then that's it
after all these years i'll finally be freed from the ball and chain that is botw
don't be surprised if you're OP on ganon's fight lol
oh i fully expect ganon to be less of a threat than an average lynel lol, i'll probably not use my absolute best gear and powers just to prolong the fight for hopefully longer than two minutes
fight ganon nude, fists only
Quote from: Nyerp on October 15, 2018, 09:08:30 PMQuote from: Magyarorszag on October 15, 2018, 03:48:41 PMreaming
freudian slip? yes;
lol wth
i have no idea how that happened, i can't even blame autocorrect because it was a desktop post
it was supposed to say "remaining"
And on that note, I now have 0 reaming sidequests. happydood;
There's just one thing left to do. begonebeast
oh, and by the way:
QuoteRe: A comprehensive list of things that Breath of the Wild does well:
Hyrule Castle. O_0
gee who'd'a' thunk a zelda fan might appreciate traditional zeldalike dungeon crawling in a zelda game !!!!!!
why isn't MUCH more of botw like this
hyrule castle is infinitely more fun than the 300 hour mind-numbing slog the rest of the game is, and that's despite the fact that you're still fighting the very same six maddeningly lazy recolored bullet sponge mooks in the castle as you've by now annoyedly mowed down (or rushed past) literally a thousand times over
now imagine if this game had fewer (read: 0) copypasted shrines, more hyrule castles, and enemy varietyit's as if only the very end of the game had so much as a modicum of thoughtful, cohesive game design put into it, and isn't simply 'okay lol how about we literally just cover the entirety of the landscape with 132 tiny disparate units of this exact same structure with the exact same cutscenes and the exact same text and the exact same music and the exact same sthetics, and have like 1/3 of them be the exact same fight with the exact same enemy, and i guess maybe come up with a two-room five-minute puzzle for the rest of them or smth idk i mean w/e you just KNOW they'll eat it right up no matter what we do because they have such low expectations for us lmao'
they must have figured that they only really had to put any significant effort into the last 10 minutes of the game so that nobody would catch on to the cheap trick that makes up the other >99% of it
well, i suppose it worked for the masses (how depressing), but clearly not for me lol awdood;
What hyrule castle did you play, mine just required climbing over like 3 walls and boom I was fighting ganon. It was the worst dungeon in the game lol
well you could just catapult yourself to the highest floor but completing the castle-area sidequests requires you to thoroughly explore it lol, and believe it or not there are snippets of lore in this otherwise plot-starved game to be found within the castle too, all of which you'd miss if you sped directly towards ganon
but even the castle is only good relative to the rest of botw because in itself it's still mostly arbitrary structure to climb over, what's pathetic is that somehow even that little bit of structure is a huge improvement over what the rest of the game is like so i welcome it lol
christ i should have just beelined to hyrule castle from the shrine of resurrection to begin with
it feels like a good 66% of the measly 10% of botw that is fun is concentrated in the castle, and thoroughly perusing the interior equips you for the impending fight anyway
eh i got the story bit after the first wall i climbed up lol
gotta agree with c.mong here. when i finally got to hyrule castle, i looked for the last zelda memory and just skipped past most of the rest of it because the enemies were all really annoying and i didn't want to waste my easily breakable weapons before getting to ganon.
yeah i guess that was more my thought. i saw the mobs of doods to fight and other castley things but was like, why waste my time, i'm here for the big fish baby sillydood; and it's not like the game put a door or anything in my way so fuck it maaaaan
i explored pretty much the whole castle because i wanted to find the shrines in there and i wanted the hylian shield and i was just having fun exploring it
Quote from: Nyerp on October 16, 2018, 10:10:51 AMgotta agree with c.mong here. when i finally got to hyrule castle, i looked for the last zelda memory and just skipped past most of the rest of it because the enemies were all really annoying
Quote from: C.Mongler on October 16, 2018, 10:23:37 AMyeah i guess that was more my thought. i saw the mobs of doods to fight and other castley things but was like, why waste my time, i'm here for the big fish baby sillydood; and it's not like the game put a door or anything in my way so fuck it maaaaan
So you both basically just completely skipped the castle? befuddlement
i wholly understand that by that point any reasonable person would have severe brap of the wild fatigue and be tempted to just get it over with asap, but in doing so you've invested hundreds of hours into a largely unrewarding slog of a game only to completely bypass its
least obnoxious parts lol
it's true that you don't
need to explore the castle unless you're interested in completing all quests and shrines (which, of course, i was), but imo even so it's still worth exploring as it's a breath of fresh air and the only thing close to a true dungeon in all of botw
it's not a
good dungeon in its own right, mind you, but it stands out as much better than just about anything else botw has to offer because it's a somewhat structured labyrinth to explore with quests to complete and snippets of plot to discover (beyond that one memory) and decent rewards to obtain
for example:
Quote from: Nyerp on October 16, 2018, 10:10:51 AMand i didn't want to waste my easily breakable weapons before getting to ganon.
the weapons found in the castle are almost certainly better than the ones you enter with lol
and the hylian shield as kaz said (which is locked behind a stalnox, oh joy, but at least this time you're decently rewarded for engaging with yet another stupid stalnox, and thank christ, it's the last you'll have to fight)
now i'm
definitely overvaluing the castle simply because it's novel within botw and actually somewhat traditionally zeldaklike in a game that otherwise hardly feels like zelda at all
but it's easily the one area in which botw's set of features are at their least annoying lol
I didn't think the castle "felt like zelda" any more than the rest of the game
this game had quests? befuddlement
well tec i seem to fundamentally disagree with you about how obnoxious the castle was. guardians making the very act of entering it a pain, turret guardians everywhere, parts where you're locked in and forced to fight time-wasting enemies. i just wasn't having any of it. the very fact that you CAN skip most of the castle is emblematic of botw's poor design decisions, and i certainly had stopped really enjoying the game at that point and was fully allowed to abuse the game's non-linearity as an easy way out. the castle definitely didn't revitalize my interest in the game. i guess the weapon excuse was a roundabout way of saying that i didn't find any of the enemies fun to fight and just wanted to get the game over with lol
lol yea I was fatigued that's pretty much why I was like fuck this shit I'm goin'
I only played like 45 hours tho, not hundreds lol
i was fatigued too of course but as you know i was also stupid enough to force myself to power through all of botw regardless of my feelings about it
the castle certainly didn't revitalize my interest in the game, but having played through every last bit of it fully i do still think the castle represents nintendo's best attempt to realize the extremely severely flawed set of concepts that is botw
nintendo's best attempt to realize an extremely severely flawed set of concepts, however, is still an extremely severely flawed and underdeveloped set of concepts, and doesn't at all redeem the game in any meaningful way - hyrule castle may be the best botw has to offer, but even botw's best is some of the zelda series' worst
in fact i would argue that it's even more offensive that the very last 0.5% of the game is one of the few segments that feels as if it has so much as an iota of thought put into it, because it's evidence that they knew their ideas could have been implemented at least somewhat better all along
it's beyond obvious that for whatever reason, nintendo simply didn't feel the need to put any serious effort into structuring botw beyond its brief bookends
anyway i finally completed this game once and for all wednesday morning
Quote from: Magyarorszag on October 15, 2018, 04:07:48 PMoh i fully expect ganon to be less of a threat than an average lynel lol
i thought i was exaggerating when i said this but wow, he really did turn out to be no more than a glorified lynel-guardian hybrid, and i'm almost certain his damage output and health were both lower than that of the high level lynels lol
mipha's grace triggered once, but i never died or used any healing items
meanwhile, the more powerful lynels almost always both trigger mipha's grace and force me to eat a few full recovery meals
and i didn't get touched even once in phase 2 of the fight lol, despite this form allegedly representing ganon at his purest and most destructive ever SocksDood;
i didn't exactly expect the final fight to be hard, it is nu-zelda after all, but
come onwell, i will say that phase 2 was quite entertaining as a visual spectacle, at least
Phase 2 would've been great if it wasn't just a glorified qte
Quote from: Magyarorszag on October 19, 2018, 02:56:10 PManyway i finally completed this game once and for all wednesday morning
final score y/n
"thyme why are you doing this to yourself"
the postgame stats have me at 55.74% completion, despite the game itself also clearly displaying that i've completed all 20 main quests, all 90 side quests, all 132 shrines, and all 18 memories
somehow that doesn't qualify as 100% completion because i haven't found all 900 of the useless copypasted korok seeds, lol
utterly ridiculous
the game's own statistics counter exemplifies just how horribly balanced its """content""" is
well there's not much more for me to say that i haven't already covered extensively in the last 19 pages, but what i can say now for certain is that this is the single most disappointing game i have ever played
what's particularly bewildering is that somehow i am diametrically at odds with botw's otherwise near universal critical acclaim, i guess i simply fail to see what's so magical about it (especially compared to the other popular open world games of the past 10 years, and also compared to other zeldas), and don't at all understand how the vast collection of severely flawed concepts and insultingly lazy design decisions that define botw somehow went entirely unnoticed by the overwhelming majority of its players
in the 200+ hours i've spent with this game i have experienced absolutely everything it has to offer, and i would say maybe 10% of that total playtime was actually fun
if i had played botw in a vacuum, i'd have come out of it fully expecting the general consensus to be at least moderately critical, but instead the industry's near unanimously positive reaction to it makes me wonder whether i accidentally played a completely different game, it simply doesn't make sense to me
Quote from: Thyme on October 19, 2018, 03:12:41 PMQuote from: Magyarorszag on October 19, 2018, 02:56:10 PManyway i finally completed this game once and for all wednesday morning
final score y/n
"thyme why are you doing this to yourself"
i am hesitant to offer this game so much as a 7/10, but to its credit at least it looks great, it isn't technically broken, there are some moments where it doesn't quite feel like a chore, and even less commonly there are sometimes minutes of genuine fun to be had
truly though, in terms of gameplay breath of the wild does practically nothing well
I really enjoy the castle and took multiple trips to it during my playtime huhdoodame;