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especially botw

Is it strictly the lack of a direct character leveling mechanic? befuddlement

because that seems p. arbitrary to me lol

And what about Zelda II? That actually does have proper character leveling. akudood;

I can accept it being called an "action rpg"

For me, it's mechanics and structure of the story and character building.

which is a subgenre of rpg, and therefore, zelda is an rpg

:3

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 03, 2018, 07:52:32 PM
which is a subgenre of rpg, and therefore, zelda is an rpg

:3

barely

Because she's a princess

[Move]awdood; [/move]

idk man genres are dumb

Quote from: donʼt letʼs on July 03, 2018, 07:58:51 PM
Because she's a princess

[Move]awdood; [/move]

same

Quote from: Thyme on July 03, 2018, 07:59:52 PM
idk man genres are dumb

i wouldn't say that that's generally true, at least not in video games

it's really just rpgs vs. everything else

the dividing line just seems way too arbitrary, and as a genre, "rpg" is far too broad

Quote from: donʼt letʼs on July 03, 2018, 07:58:51 PM
Because she's a princess

[Move]awdood; [/move]

:|

fun fact: even nintendo itself classifies oot of time as an rpg

https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time-3d-3ds

defend you'reself's

Nintendo doesn't know shit.
Evidence: most everything recent involving them

creators sometimes don't know shit

see: steve wilhite on the pronunciation of "gif"

Quote from: Thyme on July 03, 2018, 09:00:58 PM
creators sometimes don't know shit

see: steve wilhite on the pronunciation of "gif"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfI3AeIzSfE&t=618s

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 03, 2018, 09:04:40 PM

Quote from: Thyme on July 03, 2018, 09:00:58 PM
creators sometimes don't know shit

see: steve wilhite on the pronunciation of "gif"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfI3AeIzSfE&t=618s

exactly, jiffers get the flames

Well I hate to disagree with mommy Nina, but she was totally in the wrong and vv. rude there and boy do I wish she'd tenderly beat me for daring to say such a thing. srsly

personally i've never cared about this debate, but the dividing line for most people is usually zelda's (typical) lack of "rpg elements" like stats, levels, experience, etc. this is why most people consider zelda 2 to be the one zelda that does have "rpg elements."

the whole thing is pretty dumb, because action rpgs in particular owe a lot to zelda. pretty much every top-down action rpg is just a zelda game with a few traditional rpg elements thrown on top, and the progression of zelda games had direct influences on the action rpg, uh, "scene." for evidence, see the snes. secret of mana, illusion of gaia, etc.

plenty of people have brought up this argument before and some people (like nintendo themselves) like to consider zelda games to be rpgs and that's fine idgaf, but personally i usually just refer to them as "action adventure games" for convenience's sake

i mean, i've never cared about this 'debate' either, but the only reason i brought it up is because it's relevant to your rpg music thread lol

but even i tend to think of them as more action-adventure games

but then, that means dark souls for example is also an action-adventure game like zelda, but with some more hardxxre "rpg" elements tossed in

in my specific general definition of an rpg, most jrpgs wouldn't technically count lol

Well, good thing Dark Souls isn't a JRPG at all. girl;

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 03, 2018, 11:06:48 PM
Well, good thing Dark Souls isn't a JRPG at all. girl;

well, by the same merits, dark souls would count just fine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_mechanics#Role-playing

Role-playing
Role-playing games often rely on mechanics that determine the effectiveness of in-game actions by how well the player acts out the role of a fictional character. While early role-playing games such as Dungeons & Dragons relied heavily on either group consensus or the judgement of a single player (deemed the Dungeon Master or Game Master) or on randomizers such as dice, later generations of narrativist games use more structured and integrated systems to allow role-playing to influence the creative input and output of the players, so both acting out roles and employing rules take part in shaping the gameplay.

So does this mean according to wikipedia that your choices as Link shapes the outcome of the game? I always thought of Zelda as an rpg.

I dunno Zelda never gives me the sense that I am the character. The character is its own unique entity onto which I have no real imprint. Link is a defined character on a fairly linear path with established history and lore. I wouldn't consider God of War an RPG and the most recent game is probably more RPG-like than BotW

zelda is a Souls-lite

lol

But it's true. srsly

zelda is babby's first soulslike

Quote from: YPargh on July 04, 2018, 07:01:06 AM
I dunno Zelda never gives me the sense that I am the character.

to be fair though, lots of traditional RPGs don't either. the idea of main characters designed for the player to project themselves onto is...well, it's antiquated and not actually that common past the 16-bit era

Quote from: Rin Hoshizora on July 04, 2018, 12:25:00 PM

Quote from: YPargh on July 04, 2018, 07:01:06 AM
I dunno Zelda never gives me the sense that I am the character.

to be fair though, lots of traditional RPGs don't either. the idea of main characters designed for the player to project themselves onto is...well, it's antiquated and not actually that common past the 16-bit era

I supposeeeee.

It's like sports to me i couldnt give you a definition of what is and what isn't but i know it when i see it  n_u

What makes Madden not an RPG? befuddlement

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 04, 2018, 12:51:46 PM
What makes Madden not an RPG? befuddlement

Honestly the mode where you create a player and go through their career practicing to increase stats and answering media questions to create a reputation for your player makes Madden more of an RPG than Zelda to me sillydood;

Quote from: YPargh on July 04, 2018, 02:59:05 PM

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 04, 2018, 12:51:46 PM
What makes Madden not an RPG? befuddlement

Honestly the mode where you create a player and go through their career practicing to increase stats and answering media questions to create a reputation for your player makes Madden more of an RPG than Zelda to me sillydood;

I agree. goowan

nonetheless, i would still argue that zelda:rpg::precalculus:calculus

precalculus isn't calculus though

did you just admit that zelda isn't an rpg befuddlement

doesn't precalc often include an intro to derivatives and other core calc concepts near the end of the course though lol (although i guess that might be institution and maybe even instructor-dependent) befuddlement

it's only calculus in the most superficial sense, but because it can include basic derivatives, it's still calculus

i took 2 separate precalc classes (one in high school and one in college) and neither of them ever introduced actual calculus so yeah i guess it might vary by institution or region befuddlement

damn i just got btfo befuddlement

i'm almost certain my own hs precalc course introduced actual basic calc topics within its last two months or so, but just to be certain, i consulted the goog, and indeed, it does seem p. common for precalc courses to include basic derivatives at the very least

so yeah, i'd say that zelda is something like intro to rpgs n_u

i just looked it up for my specific school district, and then compared it to the ny curriculum in general, and yeah i guess it might be regional lol

my district's definition of precalc:

QuoteThe Pre-Calculus course is a preparation for the study of AP Calculus given during senior year.
Topics include: graphing and finding roots of polynomials, number theory, functions and
relations, limits of functions, derivatives and differential calculus.

so, at least in ny, precalculus is a subtopic of calculus

Now there shall be a "is precalculus, calculus" thread

well thankfully that question isn't nearly as subjective and wasn't too hard to clear up, so the answer is: depends on the state/institution lol

well if you guys wanna start with other questions...

Quote from: YPargh on July 04, 2018, 12:39:36 PM
It's like sports to me i couldnt give you a definition of what is and what isn't but i know it when i see it  n_u

are e-sports sports? n_u

Quote from: Thyme on July 05, 2018, 04:37:41 PM
well if you guys wanna start with other questions...

Quote from: YPargh on July 04, 2018, 12:39:36 PM
It's like sports to me i couldnt give you a definition of what is and what isn't but i know it when i see it  n_u

are e-sports sports? n_u

i'd love to respond to this with an emphatic "No. argh;", but if chess is a sport, i don't see how """e-"""sports"""""" couldn't also be sports, much to my annoyance

i would say an rpg has systems to tweak your character in order to change effectiveness against enemies, who would typically have mathematically determined amounts of health. BotW has all this, most Zelda games don't.