General News story just in case you didn't hear
QuoteTwo shooting incidents on campus today have left 33 dead. Thirty-one, including the gunman, died at Norris Hall; two died at West Ambler Johnston Hall. Fifteen other victims from Norris are being treated at area hospitals.
The university is in the process of identifying victims and notifying next-of-kin. Names will not be released until that process is complete.
Counseling assistance for students is available at West Ambler Johnston and McComas halls until 9 p.m. tonight. Students are encouraged to utilize these services.
Counseling for faculty and staff is available in the Bowman Room on the fourth floor of Jamerson Athletic Center, accessible from Jamerson or the Merryman Athletic Facility.
The university will remain closed Tuesday. Essential personnel are to report for work. Classes are canceled.
A public gathering will be held Tuesday at Cassell Coliseum at 2 p.m.
And the blame on Video games
http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/04/16/dr-phil-suggests-video-games-to-blame-for-virginia-tech-shootings/
QuoteOn the heels of Jack Thompsonâ,,,s rush to blame video games in the wake of the tragedy at Virginia Tech, Dr. Phil has chimed in with support for this theory. Speaking on Larry King Live tonight, Dr. Phil had this to say on the issue,
â,"The problem is we are programming these people as a society. You cannot tell me - common sense tells you - that if these people are playing video games where theyâ,,,re on a mass killing spree in a video game, itâ,,,s glamorized on the big screen, itâ,,,s become part of the fiber of our society. You take that and mix it with a psychopath, a sociopath, or someone suffering from mental illness, add in a dose of rage, the suggestability is just too high. And weâ,,,re going to have to start dealing with that. Weâ,,,re going to have to start addressing those issues and recognizing that the mass murderers of tomorrow are the children of today that are being programmed with this massive violence overdose.â,
At the time of this writing, the identity of the shooter (or possibly shooters) has not been released. So Dr. Philâ,,,s suggestions are not based on credible, or any, specific information about this particular shooting. At least he lumped in movies while throwing out baseless and pre-mature conclusions.
We are just hearing the beginning of what will certainly be many people placing the blame for this tragedy on video games and the mass media culture.
http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/04/18/howard-stern-bashes-dr-phil-and-video-gamevirginia-tech-connection
QuoteHoward Stern eloquently expressed his opinion about Dr. Phil this morning after hearing the docâ,,,s comments on video games and the Virginia Tech massacre:
â,"Heâ,,,s a fucking asshole!â,
Youâ,,,ll have to excuse me because thatâ,,,s the only direct quote I could get down, the following are half-quotes, half-paraphrased. If anyone can provide a clip of the actual audio, it would be greatly appreciated.
Howard, Robin, and other in-studio personalities ridiculed the idea that video games could have caused the shootings, sarcastically suggesting that â,"Hitler played Donkey Kongâ, and â,"Osama Bin Laden played Grand Theft Auto.â,
Howard went on to explain, â,"You know the reason why Dr. Phil is an asshole? â,¦because whenever something like this happens he wants to play the â,˜blame gameâ,,,.â, He and Robin both commented that many people play video games â,"all day and all nightâ, and do not act out violently. Howard sarcastically remarked that blame is always placed on â,"the movies or something.â, He then concluded the discussion saying what many gamers have been saying for years, â,"This is so stupid.â,
The self-proclaimed â,"King of All Mediaâ, is known as a staunch protector and advocate of First Amendment rights. His show can be heard on Sirius Satellite Radio from 6am to around 11am Monday through Thursday.
Ba-Ba-Bouey!
http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/04/18/rush-limbaugh-on-va-tech-shootings/
QuoteAll that America has had on its mind the past few days has been the massacre at Virginia Tech. What were the killerâ,,,s motives? What was the killerâ,,,s background? And thanks to Jack Thompson and Dr. Phil, how have videogames affected Cho Seung Huiâ,,,s killing spree agenda?
From those that have obviously portrayed a stance opposite from that of many gamers, there have risen a few notable public figures out there, who carry some heavy weight with their words, speaking out against these claims â,” most notably Howard Stern, and now the ever outspoken radio host: Rush Limbaugh.
After receiving a question concerning the matter of videogames being a factor, Limbaugh responded:
Not every video gamer goes out and murders 33 people on the college campus though. Thereâ,,,s more to this than that. We can find all kinds of societal problems and ills, but the fact of the matter is that whatever you would look at as a bad influence â,” video games as you mentioned â,” it may desensitize people, but it doesnâ,,,t turn everybody into mass murderersâ,¦But how many people are playing video games out there? How many millions of people play video games, and how many millions of people have guns?
Itâ,,,s a very valid point, and it certainly brings out a fault with the media that many people have complained about for years. While news outlets certainly jump through hoops just to get the latest scoop on a big story, they sometimes lack the journalistic integrity to check their facts before announcing it to the world.
The VA Tech shootings havenâ,,,t just brought about faults within the mediaâ,,,s reporting of the videogames world though, keep in mind that a certain news outlet mistakenly misstated the shooterâ,,,s name three times before announcing the real facts.
Because people have no fucking life. This only proves that our society is doomed and we will all perish because of ourselves.
I hate fucking people.
So was the reason actually ever confirmed?
Quote from: JMV290 on April 16, 2007, 06:31:26 PM
So was the reason actually ever confirmed?
So far everyone that's talked about this, really just kept saying "33 are dead" psyduck;
That's some crazy shit there. I feel sorry for all those people. gonk;
On to my point. Who are they going to blame for this one? That whole "Columbine Massacre" was blamed on Marilyn Manson or something.
The point is, they're going to make some fucking stupid accusation. Assholes.
Quote from: LCK on April 16, 2007, 06:50:16 PM
That's some crazy shit there. I feel sorry for all those people. gonk;
On to my point. Who are they going to blame for this one? That whole "Columbine Massacre" was blamed on Marilyn Manson or something.
The point is, they're going to make some fucking stupid accusation. Assholes.
And the funny thing is, they'll never blame the actual teachers or school, psyduck;
Have they confirmed why it was done?
Either way, it's a really sad thing to see. A lot of innocent people die because of one fucking crazy person. It's really a shame to see.
My uncle is going to have a heart attack over this. gonk;
Quote from: xfollowthereaperx on April 16, 2007, 06:52:04 PM
Quote from: LCK on April 16, 2007, 06:50:16 PM
That's some crazy shit there. I feel sorry for all those people. gonk;
On to my point. Who are they going to blame for this one? That whole "Columbine Massacre" was blamed on Marilyn Manson or something.
The point is, they're going to make some fucking stupid accusation. Assholes.
And the funny thing is, they'll never blame the actual teachers or school, psyduck;
IT'S OBVIOUS WE SHOULD BLAME VIDEO GAMES FOR THIS SENSELESS VIOLENCE.
Quote from: JMV290 on April 16, 2007, 06:31:26 PM
So was the reason actually ever confirmed?
Not yet, the only reason given so far is something about a Love Triangle.
Bah, don't they use that to explain everything these days?
To copy what I posted from Outsider.
I used to live in Virginia, and I live in a state near there, so I hope that doesn't happen to me. My prayers are for the families involved in the students' deaths. As for Jack Thompson, his name is fitting; he's a Jack, and he needs to be shot multiple times with a Thompson. He's taking advantage of the worst school shooting to date just to spew out more crap about video games killing people.
Quote from: Turtwig on April 17, 2007, 01:15:28 PM
To copy what I posted from Outsider.
I used to live in Virginia, and I live in a state near there, so I hope that doesn't happen to me. My prayers are for the families involved in the students' deaths. As for Jack Thompson, his name is fitting; he's a Jack, and he needs to be shot multiple times with a Thompson. He's taking advantage of the worst school shooting to date just to spew out more crap about video games killing people.
I used to live in Virginia as well. I don't live there anymore, but I was scared to go to school today for fear of being shot.
I've been thinking about this whole thing all day. I can't help it, actually. I see crap about it everywhere. Damn media coverage.
Anyway, I can't help but wonder what his motive was. Was he just fucked up? Or did he have a reason.
For all we know, the school could've brought this upon themselves. This Korean guy could've been one of those kids that the whole school hates. You know that kid, every school has one. They all snap at some point.
Maybe the kid was singled out for his Asian-ness, and he got tired of the assholes. I don't really know at this point.
And another thing. Now people are going to start doing to the Koreans what they did to the Iraqis and such. They'll assume every Korean person is some sort of terrorist type.
One Korean person does something and the whole country is generalized as crazy death bringers.
Ah, here 'goes.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070417/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070417/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting)
QuoteLACKSBURG, Va. - The gunman in the Virginia Tech massacre was a sullen loner who alarmed professors and classmates with his twisted, violence-drenched creative writing and left a rambling note raging against women and rich kids.
A chilling picture emerged Tuesday of Cho Seung-Hui â,” a 23-year-old senior majoring in English â,” a day after the bloodbath that left 33 people dead, including Cho, who killed himself as police closed in.
News reports said that he may have been taking medication for depression and that he was becoming increasingly violent and erratic.
Despite the many warning signs that came to light in the bloody aftermath, police and university officials offered no clues as to exactly what set Cho off on the deadliest shooting rampage in modern U.S. history.
"He was a loner, and we're having difficulty finding information about him," school spokesman Larry Hincker said.
A student who attended Virginia Tech last fall provided obscenity- and violence-laced screenplays that he said Cho wrote as part of a playwriting class they both took. One was about a fight between a stepson and his stepfather, and involved throwing of hammers and attacks with a chainsaw. Another was about students fantasizing about stalking and killing a teacher who sexually molested them.
"When we read Cho's plays, it was like something out of a nightmare. The plays had really twisted, macabre violence that used weapons I wouldn't have even thought of," former classmate Ian McFarlane, now an AOL employee, wrote in a blog posted on an AOL Web site. He said he and other students "were talking to each other with serious worry about whether he could be a school shooter."
"We always joked we were just waiting for him to do something, waiting to hear about something he did," said another classmate, Stephanie Derry. "But when I got the call it was Cho who had done this, I started crying, bawling."
Professor Carolyn Rude, chairwoman of the university's English department, said Cho's writing was so disturbing that he had been referred to the university's counseling service.
"Sometimes, in creative writing, people reveal things and you never know if it's creative or if they're describing things, if they're imagining things or just how real it might be," Rude said. "But we're all alert to not ignore things like this."
She said she did not know when he was referred for counseling, or what the outcome was. Rude refused to release any of his writings or his grades, citing privacy laws. The counseling service refused to comment.
Cho â,” who arrived in the United States as boy from
South Korea in 1992 and was raised in suburban Washington, D.C., where his parents worked at a dry cleaners â,” left a note in his dorm room that was found after the bloodbath.
A law enforcement official who read Cho's note described it Tuesday as a typed, eight-page rant against rich kids and religion. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.
"You caused me to do this," the official quoted the note as saying.
Cho indicated in his letter that the end was near and that there was a deed to be done, the official said. He also expressed disappointment in his own religion, and made several references to Christianity, the official said.
The official said the letter was either found in Cho's dorm room or in his backpack. The backpack was found in the hallway of the classroom building where the shootings happened, and contained several rounds of ammunition, the official said.
Col. Steve Flaherty, superintendent of the Virginia State Police, said authorities were going through a considerable number of writings.
Citing unidentified sources, the Tribune also said Cho had recently set a fire in a dorm room and had stalked some women.
Monday's rampage consisted of two attacks, more than two hours apart â,” first at a dormitory, where two people were killed, then inside a classroom building, where 31 people, including Cho, died. Two handguns â,” a 9 mm and a .22-caliber â,” were found in the classroom building.
The Washington Post quoted law enforcement sources as saying Cho died with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on one of his arms, but they were not sure what that meant.
According to court papers, police found a "bomb threat" note â,” directed at engineering school buildings â,” near the victims in the classroom building. In the past three weeks, Virginia Tech was hit with two other bomb threats. Investigators have not connected those earlier threats to Cho.
Cho graduated from Westfield High School in Chantilly, Va., in 2003. His family lived in an off-white, two-story townhouse in Centreville, Va.
At least one of those killed in the rampage, Reema Samaha, graduated from Westfield High in 2006. But there was no immediate word from authorities on whether Cho knew the young woman and singled her out.
"He was very quiet, always by himself," neighbor Abdul Shash said. Shash said Cho spent a lot of his free time playing basketball and would not respond if someone greeted him.
Classmates painted a similar picture. Some said that on the first day of a British literature class last year, the 30 or so students went around and introduced themselves. When it was Cho's turn, he didn't speak.
On the sign-in sheet where everyone else had written their names, Cho had written a question mark. "Is your name, `Question mark?'" classmate Julie Poole recalled the professor asking. The young man offered little response.
Cho spent much of that class sitting in the back of the room, wearing a hat and seldom participating. In a small department, Cho distinguished himself for being anonymous. "He didn't reach out to anyone. He never talked," Poole said.
"We just really knew him as the question mark kid," Poole said.
One law enforcement official said Cho's backpack contained a receipt for a March purchase of a Glock 9 mm pistol. Cho held a green card, meaning he was a legal, permanent resident. That meant he was eligible to buy a handgun unless he had been convicted of a felony.
Roanoke Firearms owner John Markell said his shop sold the Glock and a box of practice ammo to Cho 36 days ago for $571.
"He was a nice, clean-cut college kid. We won't sell a gun if we have any idea at all that a purchase is suspicious," Markell said.
Investigators stopped short of saying Cho carried out both attacks. But State Police ballistics tests showed one gun was used in both.
And two law enforcement officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because the information had not been announced, said Cho's fingerprints were on both guns, whose serial numbers had been filed off.
Gov. Tim Kaine said he will appoint a panel at the university's request to review authorities' handling of the disaster. Parents and students bitterly complained that the university should have locked down the campus immediately after the first burst of gunfire and did not do enough to warn people.
Kaine warned against making snap judgments and said he had "nothing but loathing" for those who take the tragedy and "make it their political hobby horse to ride."
On Tuesday afternoon, thousands of people gathered in the basketball arena for a memorial service for the victims, with an overflow crowd of thousands watching on a jumbo TV screen in the football stadium.
President Bush and the first lady attended.
"As you draw closer to your families in the coming days, I ask you to reach out to those who ache for sons and daughters who are never coming home," Bush said.
Virginia Tech President Charles Steger received a 30-second standing ovation, despite the criticism of the school administration.
With classes canceled for the rest of the week, many students left town in a hurry, lugging pillows, sleeping bags and backpacks down the sidewalks.
Jessie Ferguson, 19, a freshman from Arlington, headed for her car with tears streaming down her cheeks.
"I'm still kind of shaky," she said. "I had to pump myself up just to kind of come out of the building. I was going to come out, but it took a little bit of 'OK, it's going to be all right. There's lots of cops around.'"
She added: "I just don't want to be on campus."
Stories of heroism and ingenuity emerged Tuesday.
Liviu Librescu, an Israeli engineering and math lecturer, was killed after he was said to have protected his students' lives by blocking the doorway of his classroom from the gunman. And one student, an Eagle Scout, probably saved his own life by using an electrical cord as a tourniquet around his bleeding thigh, a doctor reported.
I wonder if the pharmaceutical industry will get any blame.
I'd say they are more to blame than the video game industry.
Now is it just me, or does anyone else think he might have been a /b/tard?
I dunno why, but I just have a strong feeling that he was. Also considering some of the stuff I've seen on 4Chan about him. psyduck;
Quote from: Thief888 on April 17, 2007, 09:59:40 PM
Now is it just me, or does anyone else think he might have been a /b/tard?
I dunno why, but I just have a strong feeling that he was. Also considering some of the stuff I've seen on 4Chan about him. psyduck;
I hope not.
Quote from: Pennywise on April 17, 2007, 10:03:55 PM
Great, another psychopath going off and killing his classmates.
Who else here wants to bet Jack Thompson will get involved with this?
He already is.
The day it happened, he was already yelling about how violent videogames are what caused him to do it.
Half of it was the school's fucking fault. They didn't even inform anybody that the school would be dangerous that day, and that there were shootings. They had FOURTY FIVE FUCKING MINUTES, and they didn't tell anybody. My cousin goes to VT, and his friend got killed because of that fucking school.
Quote from: mariofreak55 on April 18, 2007, 08:20:35 AM
Half of it was the school's fucking fault. They didn't even inform anybody that the school would be dangerous that day, and that there were shootings. They had FOURTY FIVE FUCKING MINUTES, and they didn't tell anybody. My cousin goes to VT, and his friend got killed because of that fucking school.
I heard they repeatedly sent out e-mails warning students.
Because people have problems thats why.
Quote from: Thief888 on April 17, 2007, 09:59:40 PM
Now is it just me, or does anyone else think he might have been a /b/tard?
I dunno why, but I just have a strong feeling that he was. Also considering some of the stuff I've seen on 4Chan about him. psyduck;
He became an hero.
But yes, as soon as I heard about it, I was like "wtf /b/ caterpie; ."
Quote from: JMV290 on April 18, 2007, 09:58:18 AM
Quote from: mariofreak55 on April 18, 2007, 08:20:35 AM
Half of it was the school's Craging fault. They didn't even inform anybody that the school would be dangerous that day, and that there were shootings. They had FOURTY FIVE CragING MINUTES, and they didn't tell anybody. My cousin goes to VT, and his friend got killed because of that Craging school.
I heard they repeatedly sent out e-mails warning students.
AFTER the whole thing went on.
psyduck;
Quote from: Lawlz on April 18, 2007, 01:16:22 PM
Quote from: Thief888 on April 17, 2007, 09:59:40 PM
Now is it just me, or does anyone else think he might have been a /b/tard?
I dunno why, but I just have a strong feeling that he was. Also considering some of the stuff I've seen on 4Chan about him. psyduck;
He became an hero.
But yes, as soon as I heard about it, I was like "wtf /b/ caterpie; ."
Only thing /b/ did about t was the whole revival and death of the "V Tech just kicked in" for about 2 minutes. I'm surprised they didn't run with that idea, it was very cleaver.
I was just on 4chan and saw this. I don't know if it's true or not but I'll copy/paste
QuoteLong before he boiled over, Virginia Tech gunman Cho Seung-Hui was picked on, pushed around and laughed at over his shyness and the strange way he talked when he was a schoolboy in suburban Washington, former classmates say.
Chris Davids, a Virginia Tech senior who graduated from Westfield High School in Chantilly, Va., with Cho in 2003, recalled that the South Korean immigrant almost never opened his mouth and would ignore attempts to strike up a conversation.
Once, in English class, the teacher had the students read aloud, and when it was Cho's turn, he just looked down in silence, Davids recalled. Finally, after the teacher threatened him with an F for participation, Cho started to read in a strange, deep voice that sounded "like he had something in his mouth," Davids said.
"As soon as he started reading, the whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, `Go back to China,'" Davids said.
QuoteRegan Wilder, 21, who attended Virginia Tech, high school and middle school with Cho, said she was in several classes with Cho in high school, including advanced-placement calculus and Spanish. She said he walked around with his head down, and almost never spoke. And when he did, it was "a real low mutter, like a whisper."
As part of an exam in Spanish class, students had to answer questions in Spanish on tape, and other students were so curious to know what Cho sounded like that they waited eagerly for the teacher to play his recording, she said. She said that on the tape, he did not speak confidently but did seem to know Spanish.
Wilder recalled high school teachers trying to get him to participate, but "he would only shrug his shoulders or he'd give like two-word responses, and I think it just got to the point where teachers just gave up because they realized he wasn't going to come out of the shell he was in, so they just kind of passed him over for the most part as time went on."
Cho tried to ask his roomate and another girl out on a date, but they called the cops on him for being a stalker.
Quote from: JMV290 on April 19, 2007, 10:28:07 PM
I was just on 4chan and saw this. I don't know if it's true or not but I'll copy/paste
QuoteLong before he boiled over, Virginia Tech gunman Cho Seung-Hui was picked on, pushed around and laughed at over his shyness and the strange way he talked when he was a schoolboy in suburban Washington, former classmates say.
Chris Davids, a Virginia Tech senior who graduated from Westfield High School in Chantilly, Va., with Cho in 2003, recalled that the South Korean immigrant almost never opened his mouth and would ignore attempts to strike up a conversation.
Once, in English class, the teacher had the students read aloud, and when it was Cho's turn, he just looked down in silence, Davids recalled. Finally, after the teacher threatened him with an F for participation, Cho started to read in a strange, deep voice that sounded "like he had something in his mouth," Davids said.
"As soon as he started reading, the whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, `Go back to China,'" Davids said.
QuoteRegan Wilder, 21, who attended Virginia Tech, high school and middle school with Cho, said she was in several classes with Cho in high school, including advanced-placement calculus and Spanish. She said he walked around with his head down, and almost never spoke. And when he did, it was "a real low mutter, like a whisper."
As part of an exam in Spanish class, students had to answer questions in Spanish on tape, and other students were so curious to know what Cho sounded like that they waited eagerly for the teacher to play his recording, she said. She said that on the tape, he did not speak confidently but did seem to know Spanish.
Wilder recalled high school teachers trying to get him to participate, but "he would only shrug his shoulders or he'd give like two-word responses, and I think it just got to the point where teachers just gave up because they realized he wasn't going to come out of the shell he was in, so they just kind of passed him over for the most part as time went on."
Cho tried to ask his roomate and another girl out on a date, but they called the cops on him for being a stalker.
I knew there had to be something that happened, no one reported on this.
This just in
http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/04/16/dr-phil-suggests-video-games-to-blame-for-virginia-tech-shootings/
QuoteOn the heels of Jack Thompsonâ,,,s rush to blame video games in the wake of the tragedy at Virginia Tech, Dr. Phil has chimed in with support for this theory. Speaking on Larry King Live tonight, Dr. Phil had this to say on the issue,
â,"The problem is we are programming these people as a society. You cannot tell me - common sense tells you - that if these people are playing video games where theyâ,,,re on a mass killing spree in a video game, itâ,,,s glamorized on the big screen, itâ,,,s become part of the fiber of our society. You take that and mix it with a psychopath, a sociopath, or someone suffering from mental illness, add in a dose of rage, the suggestability is just too high. And weâ,,,re going to have to start dealing with that. Weâ,,,re going to have to start addressing those issues and recognizing that the mass murderers of tomorrow are the children of today that are being programmed with this massive violence overdose.â,
At the time of this writing, the identity of the shooter (or possibly shooters) has not been released. So Dr. Philâ,,,s suggestions are not based on credible, or any, specific information about this particular shooting. At least he lumped in movies while throwing out baseless and pre-mature conclusions.
We are just hearing the beginning of what will certainly be many people placing the blame for this tragedy on video games and the mass media culture.
http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/04/18/howard-stern-bashes-dr-phil-and-video-gamevirginia-tech-connection
QuoteHoward Stern eloquently expressed his opinion about Dr. Phil this morning after hearing the docâ,,,s comments on video games and the Virginia Tech massacre:
â,"Heâ,,,s a fucking asshole!â,
Youâ,,,ll have to excuse me because thatâ,,,s the only direct quote I could get down, the following are half-quotes, half-paraphrased. If anyone can provide a clip of the actual audio, it would be greatly appreciated.
Howard, Robin, and other in-studio personalities ridiculed the idea that video games could have caused the shootings, sarcastically suggesting that â,"Hitler played Donkey Kongâ, and â,"Osama Bin Laden played Grand Theft Auto.â,
Howard went on to explain, â,"You know the reason why Dr. Phil is an asshole? â,¦because whenever something like this happens he wants to play the â,˜blame gameâ,,,.â, He and Robin both commented that many people play video games â,"all day and all nightâ, and do not act out violently. Howard sarcastically remarked that blame is always placed on â,"the movies or something.â, He then concluded the discussion saying what many gamers have been saying for years, â,"This is so stupid.â,
The self-proclaimed â,"King of All Mediaâ, is known as a staunch protector and advocate of First Amendment rights. His show can be heard on Sirius Satellite Radio from 6am to around 11am Monday through Thursday.
Ba-Ba-Bouey!
http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/04/18/rush-limbaugh-on-va-tech-shootings/
QuoteAll that America has had on its mind the past few days has been the massacre at Virginia Tech. What were the killerâ,,,s motives? What was the killerâ,,,s background? And thanks to Jack Thompson and Dr. Phil, how have videogames affected Cho Seung Huiâ,,,s killing spree agenda?
From those that have obviously portrayed a stance opposite from that of many gamers, there have risen a few notable public figures out there, who carry some heavy weight with their words, speaking out against these claims â,” most notably Howard Stern, and now the ever outspoken radio host: Rush Limbaugh.
After receiving a question concerning the matter of videogames being a factor, Limbaugh responded:
Not every video gamer goes out and murders 33 people on the college campus though. Thereâ,,,s more to this than that. We can find all kinds of societal problems and ills, but the fact of the matter is that whatever you would look at as a bad influence â,” video games as you mentioned â,” it may desensitize people, but it doesnâ,,,t turn everybody into mass murderersâ,¦But how many people are playing video games out there? How many millions of people play video games, and how many millions of people have guns?
Itâ,,,s a very valid point, and it certainly brings out a fault with the media that many people have complained about for years. While news outlets certainly jump through hoops just to get the latest scoop on a big story, they sometimes lack the journalistic integrity to check their facts before announcing it to the world.
The VA Tech shootings havenâ,,,t just brought about faults within the mediaâ,,,s reporting of the videogames world though, keep in mind that a certain news outlet mistakenly misstated the shooterâ,,,s name three times before announcing the real facts.
Yeah, the news was busy putting the blame on other things.
Just like Columbine, the media neglected the factor that the shooter was being bullied.
I'm not justifying going out and killing 32 people but DAMN people in positions of authority could have prevented this shit if they just acted years ago.
Quote from: JMV290 on April 19, 2007, 10:51:56 PM
Yeah, the news was busy putting the blame on other things.
Just like Columbine, the media neglected the factor that the shooter was being bullied.
I'm not justifying going out and killing 32 people but DAMN people in positions of authority could have prevented this shit if they just acted years ago.
He was defiantly bullied
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cho_Seung-hui
Read it psyduck;
Quote from: xfollowthereaperx on April 19, 2007, 11:23:18 PM
Quote from: JMV290 on April 19, 2007, 10:51:56 PM
Yeah, the news was busy putting the blame on other things.
Just like Columbine, the media neglected the factor that the shooter was being bullied.
I'm not justifying going out and killing 32 people but DAMN people in positions of authority could have prevented this shit if they just acted years ago.
He was defiantly bullied
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cho_Seung-hui
Read it psyduck;
psyduck;
QuoteBehavior at middle school & high school
In middle school and high school, Cho was teased and picked on for his shyness and unusual speech patterns. In English class at Westfield High School, Cho looked down and refused to speak when it was his turn to speak aloud, said Chris Davids, a high school classmate of Cho's. Because of the teasing, Cho often would refuse to speak when picked by the teacher in class. After one teacher threatened him with an F for participation, Cho began reading in a strange, deep voice that sounded "like he had something in his mouth," Davids said. "The whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, `Go back to China,'" Davids said. Another classmate, Stephanie Roberts, states that "There were just some people who were really mean to him and they would push him down and laugh at him," and "He didn't speak English really well and they would really make fun of him."[33]
Also, this is interesting
QuoteOfficial psychiatric evaluation
University officials said the school then obtained a "temporary detention order" from a local magistrate that allowed them to refer Cho to an off-campus medical facility. Cho was admitted to Carilion St. Albans Psychiatric Hospital on December 13, 2005. He was released the next day. According to Virginia law, "A magistrate has the authority to issue a detention order upon a finding that a person is mentally ill and in need of hospitalization or treatment." "The magistrate also must find that the person is an imminent danger to himself or others," says the guideline from Virginia's state court system.[43][44]
In 2005, Cho Seung-hui was temporarily detained for a psychiatric assessment, as he was suspected to be mentally ill and a danger to himself or others by a Montgomery County, Virginia district court. Virginia Special Justice Paul Barnett certified in an order that Cho Seung-hui "presents an imminent danger to himself as a result of mental illness," and directed that as a "Court-ordered Out-Patient he follow all recommended treatments."[45] Following a psychiatric evaluation and medical exam which noted Cho's flat affect and depressed mood, he was told to undergo outpatient care and was released.[43] Some reports state that Cho is believed to have been taking psychiatric medications for depression,[46] but there is no record of this in federal prescription databases.[47] The fact he was not committed later meant he was legally able to buy guns, avoiding the ban on those who have been involuntarily committed from owning firearms.[48]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seung-Hui_Cho
QuotePlays
Richard McBeef
In 2006, Cho wrote a short, profanity-laden one-act play entitled "Richard McBeef". It is about a 13-year-old boy, John, who accuses his stepfather, Richard McBeef, of molesting him and murdering his father. John repeatedly says he will kill Richard. John, Richard, and Sue, John's mother, become involved in a major argument. The play ends with Richard, who up until this point is passive, dealing John "a deadly blow".[72]
Mr. Brownstone
In a second play attributed to Cho, titled "Mr. Brownstone", three 17-year-olds named John, Jane, and Joe are gambling at a casino while discussing their deep hatred of their 45-year-old mathematics teacher, Mr. Brownstone, who they claim mistreated them (using the phrase 'ass-rape'). Brownstone appears and, amid volleys of profanity, cheats them out of their casino winnings.[73][74]
Reactions to writings
Edward Falco, a playwriting professor at Virginia Tech, has acknowledged that Cho wrote both plays in his class. The plays are less than 12 pages long and have several grammatical and typographical errors. Falco believed that Cho was drawn to writing because of his difficulty communicating verbally. Falco said of the plays, "They're not good writing, but at least they are a form of communication."[75]
Another professor who taught Cho characterized his work as "very adolescent" and "silly", with attempts at "slapstick comedy" and "elements of violence."[76]
Classmates believed "the plays, were really morbid and grotesque."[77] Former classmate, Ian MacFarlane stated, "When we read Cho's plays, it was like something out of a nightmare. The plays had really twisted, macabre violence that used weapons I wouldn't have even thought of."[78]
http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/17/cho-seung-huis-plays/ psyduck;
He wrote these
WTF, those are some pretty retarded plays.
God, my cousin is crazy
he reposts all of these anti-gov bulletins. funny, he's an ex-marine...
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=123203267&MyToken=9a6847a5-f152-4155-b277-de54a13a1743
Who is that on the left? The VT gunman... military training? Why didn't they want us to know that? I said it in the first hour and I'll say it now... black op. We won't know the true motives until some bullshit legislation gets passed and we all stop and say... "this is what that shooting was all about..." Opinion? Yes, but "the opinions that I do not give are the opinions I ain't got..."
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/damien_lucas/cho101hh5.jpg)
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=159942912&MyToken=28e58b58-d958-490d-b781-f18d6ca6e939
Police and EMT workers at Virginia Tech tell us that campus police were given a federal order to stand down and not pursue killer Cho Seung-Hui as Monday's bloodshed unfolded.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/200407standdown.htm
And the funny thing is, they'll never blame the actual teachers or school, psyduck;
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Why would they? They were the ones murdered
Quote from: Selkie224 on April 21, 2007, 09:34:35 AM
And the funny thing is, they'll never blame the actual teachers or school, psyduck;
Why would they? They were the ones murdered
[/quote]Who do you think may have provoked the Korean kid to do what he did? psyduck;
Quote from: LCK on April 21, 2007, 09:37:34 AM
Quote from: Selkie224 on April 21, 2007, 09:34:35 AM
And the funny thing is, they'll never blame the actual teachers or school, psyduck;
Why would they? They were the ones murdered
Who do you think may have provoked the Korean kid to do what he did? psyduck;
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Oh fuck don't even give me that shit.
It's the same motherfucking thing I was arguing about with some dumbass bitch on youtube about Colombine.
THERE IS NO FUCKING REASON TO GO ON A SHOOTING RAMPAGE IN A SCHOOL AND KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.
If you have a problem with people, deal with them in a less fucking pussy-ish way, and don't take completely innocent people down as well.
Quote from: Selkie224 on April 21, 2007, 11:39:33 AM
Quote from: LCK on April 21, 2007, 09:37:34 AM
Quote from: Selkie224 on April 21, 2007, 09:34:35 AM
And the funny thing is, they'll never blame the actual teachers or school, psyduck;
Why would they? They were the ones murdered
Who do you think may have provoked the Korean kid to do what he did? psyduck;
Oh fuck don't even give me that shit.
It's the same motherfucking thing I was arguing about with some dumbass bitch on youtube about Colombine.
THERE IS NO FUCKING REASON TO GO ON A SHOOTING RAMPAGE IN A SCHOOL AND KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.
If you have a problem with people, deal with them in a less fucking pussy-ish way, and don't take completely innocent people down as well.
I'm not saying what he did was the right way to go. But read some of the shit about him. They weren't exactly "nice" to him. He got pissed off, and went on that damn rampage.
If people weren't such assholes, he never would've been provoked to do such a horrible thing. I agree he should've found some other way to deal with it, but that didn't happen.
Me and you have a completely different perspectives on this. There's no point in arguing about it.
Quote from: LCK on April 21, 2007, 11:44:27 AM
Quote from: Selkie224 on April 21, 2007, 11:39:33 AM
Quote from: LCK on April 21, 2007, 09:37:34 AM
Quote from: Selkie224 on April 21, 2007, 09:34:35 AM
And the funny thing is, they'll never blame the actual teachers or school, psyduck;
Why would they? They were the ones murdered
Who do you think may have provoked the Korean kid to do what he did? psyduck;
Oh fuck don't even give me that shit.
It's the same motherfucking thing I was arguing about with some dumbass bitch on youtube about Colombine.
THERE IS NO FUCKING REASON TO GO ON A SHOOTING RAMPAGE IN A SCHOOL AND KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.
If you have a problem with people, deal with them in a less fucking pussy-ish way, and don't take completely innocent people down as well.
I'm not saying what he did was the right way to go. But read some of the shit about him. They weren't exactly "nice" to him. He got pissed off, and went on that damn rampage.
If people weren't such assholes, he never would've been provoked to do such a horrible thing. I agree he should've found some other way to deal with it, but that didn't happen.
Me and you have a completely different perspectives on this. There's no point in arguing about it.
Agreed, there's no point. I will just get pissed off anyway.
Quote from: Thief888 on April 17, 2007, 09:59:40 PM
Now is it just me, or does anyone else think he might have been a /b/tard?
I dunno why, but I just have a strong feeling that he was. Also considering some of the stuff I've seen on 4Chan about him. psyduck;
Link to the stuff on him at 4chan.
And for the topic, the kid clearly needed some medical attention. He was mentally ill. His roomates said he told them that he had a imaginary girlfriend...
He had multiple warning signs that he had a couple screws loose in his head; the people thta knew of these things just choose to not act and get him help.
Quote from: Bender101 on April 25, 2007, 08:21:46 PM
Link to the stuff on him at 4chan.
Someone doesn't know anything about 4chan china;
Everything on 4chan is deleted within 2 hours.