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Title: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: strongbad on November 08, 2015, 03:20:36 AM
Overall I think that it will drastically affect employment, but I don't know it will necessarily be a problem. Yeah, AI taking our jobs has been a concern for 200 years and employment has remained relatively stable, but I really think that is not sound reasoning for the future. Tech along with our lifestyle is increasing so quickly that I think that this is much more of a threat than ever.

I don't think it necessarily has to be bad, and I do think that technology can lead to more jobs in certain areas, through things like Uber, where the barriers that lead to employment are being broken down.

what u think
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: ME## on November 08, 2015, 12:44:44 PM
AI takes jobs from low-earners in entry level, manual labour positions which furthers the need to obtain a 100k+ piece of paper.  This glut of new college grads will find it increasingly difficult to get into their field of choice, meaning more college educated retail staff.  So employment may not be affected in terms of number, but the quality of life goes down with the low wages of retail coupled with mass debt.
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on November 08, 2015, 03:58:04 PM
gradually, but i don't necessarily think it's a bad thing in the long term

i'm a proponent of raising the minimum wage precisely because it'll accelerate the complete automation of low-skill employment

[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/iNfhXOwl.jpg)[/spoiler]

these sorts of scare tactics make me giggle
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: silvertone on November 08, 2015, 04:30:52 PM
automation always  creates more jobs than it destr0ys
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: Daddy on November 08, 2015, 08:29:30 PM
The argument is made with every new technology that renders a particular skillset no longer of value in the marketplace.


Various technological and efficiency improvments killed factory jobs but most people found jobs elsewhere

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0104719.html

Other than obvious recessions and the great depression, the US unemployment rate (not withstanding changes in the calculation) has pretty much hovered around "full employment" for almost 100 years. This is despite claims that robots wiill kill jobs, computers will kill jobs, the liver cancer will kill Jobs, etc.
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: strongbad on November 08, 2015, 09:13:33 PM
Quote from: Khadafi on November 08, 2015, 08:29:30 PM
The argument is made with every new technology that renders a particular skillset no longer of value in the marketplace.


Various technological and efficiency improvments killed factory jobs but most people found jobs elsewhere

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0104719.html

Other than obvious recessions and the great depression, the US unemployment rate (not withstanding changes in the calculation) has pretty much hovered around "full employment" for almost 100 years. This is despite claims that robots wiill kill jobs, computers will kill jobs, the liver cancer will kill Jobs, etc.

that's a fallacy in it's own right though
just because it hasn't happened yet doesnt mean that it isnt going too
especially when you look at how fast tech and ai in particular is improving and becoming cheaper, it's more likely now than ever
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: snoorkel on November 26, 2015, 06:03:43 PM
you know what happens when robots start doing all the work?

we finally have an opportunity to create a society where no one works and everyone eats.

Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: don't let's on November 26, 2015, 06:17:58 PM
Yes. Though at some point we'll be able to scan our brains into the computers and become become some sort of AI hybrid eventually to be replaced with full AI as the generations go about, and be able to do away with and escape the limitations of our fragile flesh bodies.
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: strongbad on November 26, 2015, 11:19:39 PM
Quote from: infinite luxury on November 26, 2015, 06:03:43 PM
you know what happens when robots start doing all the work?

we finally have an opportunity to create a society where no one works and everyone eats.



yeah
sadly nothing remotely close to this idea is on any politicians mind
it is one of two potential futures where AI does everything
in the other one 1% of people are super wealthy and the rest are in poverty
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on May 13, 2016, 01:25:02 PM
http://www.investors.com/politics/policy/wendys-serves-up-kiosks-as-wages-rise-hits-fast-food-group/

i mean does anybody have a problem with this really

sanders doesn't go far enough, i say we boost the minimum wage to $20/h to accelerate the inevitable process of automation
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: 6M69I69B9 on May 13, 2016, 01:36:25 PM
i want to boost minimum wage to 100 dollars
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: squirrelfriend on May 13, 2016, 02:41:27 PM
i think a significant portion of boyah will be unemployed at least
robots are easily replaceable ;-;
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: ME## on May 14, 2016, 08:06:07 AM
Quote from: Lifetrends on November 26, 2015, 06:03:43 PM
you know what happens when robots start doing all the work?

we finally have an opportunity to create a society where no one works and everyone eats.


wall-e future has been realised
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: Ezloﺕ on May 14, 2016, 04:50:44 PM
accelerationism is a meme
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: Daddy on May 14, 2016, 07:43:58 PM
Quote from: squirrelfriend on May 13, 2016, 02:41:27 PM
i think a significant portion of boyah will be unemployed at least
robots are easily replaceable ;-;
Not really.

Even ignoring the fact that a very small minitority of users are in jobs that can be easily replaced by robots, the distribution of jobs is the only thing that would be replaced.

Just like a lot of domestic factory jobs were replaced by machinery (or offshored), many of the lost jobs simply moved to other industries--namely the service industry.

And as mentioned earlier, I don't think even ardent socialists or living wage advocates are for keeping jobs around if they can easily, and cheaply, be replaced by technology.

Replace 90% of the fastfood workers with Kiosks. It's going to be years, if ever, that all can be replaced to take orders. Sometimes the kiosk won't work.  Or there will be some situation where the kiosk won't be able to process an order that a human would need to note. 

Assume 100% of all fast food workers get displaced my machines. Ok, cool. I honestly doubt that sit-down restaurant service will be largely replaced by technology.  There might be niche restaurants, but overall, people will want other people serving them.  Otherwise it's essentially getting takeout and using their dining space.



There will always be a demand somewhere after tech displaces jobs.  Travel and other leisure industries are other sectors that would grow as demand in many sectors change. People will have more vacation time or away from work in that case, causing a shift in demand.


I've seen nothing to convince me that increases in technology will cause any significant job loss.
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: don't let's on May 15, 2016, 06:42:20 PM
Would we ever have enough resources to do this? And consensus?
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: squirrelfriend on May 15, 2016, 07:21:25 PM
this is good robots post i approve of jmv
indians could take yr job tho
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: Daddy on May 15, 2016, 07:30:02 PM
Quote from: squirrelfriend on May 15, 2016, 07:21:25 PM
this is good robots post i approve of jmv
indians could take yr job tho
my job in particular or "your" as a general pronoun
my field is relatively insulated from h1b replacments due to the random background checks and clearances needed in some industries and the fact that certs are expensive for maintain and its not worth paying h1b for such

but general "your" is still threatened by that as IT staff and coders are replaced in non-union shops
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: squirrelfriend on May 15, 2016, 07:52:46 PM
trump is now a contender for the presidency
anything can happen
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: strongbad on May 15, 2016, 08:27:23 PM
i think trump becoming president will mean less robots doing shit for us somehow
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: squirrelfriend on May 15, 2016, 08:28:19 PM
i think we'll get russian it departments
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: silvertone on May 16, 2016, 12:54:59 AM
we will get more immigrants w/ trump
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: don't let's on May 26, 2016, 02:15:02 PM
http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/25/11772222/foxconn-automation-robots-apple-samsung-smartphones

The robot revolution begins
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: silvertone on May 26, 2016, 03:29:06 PM
congrats china on making a factory that isn't like an 1800s death factory.
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on May 28, 2017, 04:56:33 PM
Quote from: SVT on May 26, 2016, 03:29:06 PM
congrats china on making a factory that isn't like an 1800s death factory.


srsly

automation is the future and it must not be impeded
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: rdl on June 07, 2017, 10:10:13 PM
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Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: rdl on June 07, 2017, 10:10:46 PM
i dont see the connection doodhuh;
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on June 07, 2017, 10:20:26 PM
wut
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: silvertone on June 08, 2017, 02:17:16 PM
lol
Title: Re: Do you think AI lead to vast unemployment?
Post by: Travis on June 08, 2017, 05:58:55 PM
lol