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Title: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: TooB on September 18, 2018, 11:47:24 PM
https://blog.us.playstation.com/2018/09/18/introducing-playstation-classic-with-20-pre-loaded-games/


 >.<
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: bluaki on September 19, 2018, 12:01:41 AM
Why would they use the original controller design instead of the Dual Analog or DualShock controllers? awdood;

It looks like they thankfully went with normal USB ports for these controllers, so maybe it might be compatible with a DS3 or DS4 for analog input.

also how about actually making the PSN's PSOne Classics playable on PS4 instead?
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: Nyerp on September 19, 2018, 12:04:33 AM
i didn't care when nintendo did it and i don't care when sony is doing it

20 ps1 roms for 100 dollars is a rip-off
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: TooB on September 19, 2018, 12:10:31 AM
I guess they'll include games that didn't use the analog sticks
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on September 19, 2018, 12:15:53 AM
lol what a typical $o₦¥ move

welp, for $100 it had better contain nothing but the very best and most gracefully aged of the ps1 games goodjob;

Quote from: bluaki on September 19, 2018, 12:01:41 AMalso how about actually making the PSN's PSOne Classics playable on PS4 instead?

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Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: AAAAAAAA on September 19, 2018, 12:40:25 AM
Playstation Assic
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on September 19, 2018, 12:54:17 AM
Quote from: SloppyJimbo on September 19, 2018, 12:40:25 AMPlaystation Assic

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Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: bluaki on September 19, 2018, 01:27:32 AM
In my opinion a huge part of the appeal of the Classic Edition systems (over just releasing emulated ROMs on PSN/eShop) is playing on what is essentially the original controller, but for Sony in particular that absolutely doesn't matter. The entire DualShock line is basically the same controller and this controller is just a worse version of it. The only advantage I can imagine this controller having over a DS3 is that the L2 and R2 buttons take less force to press, I guess.

It would be funny if the firmware on this new controller identifies as a generic controller and ends up accidentally compatible with the Nintendo Switch sillydood;
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: TooB on September 19, 2018, 12:50:21 PM
Things this thing already does better than Ninty:

. It's actually pre-orderable (meaning they know how to supply it seems)
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: bluaki on September 19, 2018, 01:08:54 PM
Quote from: Big Goop on September 19, 2018, 12:50:21 PMThings this thing already does better than Ninty:

. It's actually pre-orderable (meaning they know how to supply it seems)
Nintendo figured out how to handle preorders for these things after they totally botched the first round. SNES Classic preorders stayed available for more than a couple days after they went up iirc, then post launch they got a pretty reliable stock at most retailers and the relaunched NES Classic was similarly well-supplied.

Overall yeah, this all-around seems like a worse offering than Nintendo's systems. The emulation quality and remaining game library remain to be seen and can make or break it.
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: YPrrrr on September 19, 2018, 01:24:59 PM
That pricepoint is so steep for only 20 games from 20+ years ago jeez
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: TooB on September 19, 2018, 02:57:59 PM
Quote from: YPrrrr on September 19, 2018, 01:24:59 PMThat pricepoint is so steep for only 20 games from 20+ years ago jeez

$20 more than the snes classic that also only had about 20 games (i believe 22?)

With ff7 being one of the games, that's a pretty beefy inclusion. Wild Arms? Another beefy rpg. Who knows what other large games they might include.

If they only included a couple other things, it's not that bad of a price point.
Without a dualshock or wall adaptor for the power cable, $80 would be more appropriate
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on September 19, 2018, 03:02:18 PM
but ffvii is U N P L A Y A B L E in 2018 lol

Quote from: Magyarorszag on September 19, 2018, 12:15:53 AMfor $100 it had better contain nothing but the very best and most gracefully aged of the ps1 games goodjob;
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: TooB on September 19, 2018, 03:09:36 PM
Quote from: Magyarorszag on September 19, 2018, 03:02:18 PMbut ffvii is U N P L A Y A B L E in 2018 lol

Quote from: Magyarorszag on September 19, 2018, 12:15:53 AMfor $100 it had better contain nothing but the very best and most gracefully aged of the ps1 games goodjob;

The only classic mini that has "nothing but the very best and most gracefully aged games" is the snes.
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on September 19, 2018, 03:40:56 PM
And that's precisely why it's the only one I own. girl;
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: C.Mongler on September 19, 2018, 06:18:50 PM
lol what a weird fucking tease of games.

$100 is way too steep for 20 games i probably already own on PSN that I can't play on anything except my vita or ole' ps3.

that said if it gets hacked like the NES & SNES I'll probably pick one up eventually lol. it's been kinda fun to have a little game box that i could load up with 60 games and bring over to my buddies house to play.

Quote from: bluaki on September 19, 2018, 12:01:41 AMso maybe it might be compatible with a DS3 or DS4 for analog input.
i hope this ends up being the case saddood;
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: TooB on September 19, 2018, 06:20:26 PM
Tbh, the hacking is also what i hope for the most.
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: bluaki on September 19, 2018, 07:29:04 PM
You can't really count on these devices being easy to hack. Nintendo Europe (or whoever developed them) just sucks at locking down devices.

If Nintendo only removed the data pins from the microUSB connector, making it power-only, the NES and SNES Classic systems would both be basically unhackable without hardware modding that probably involves soldering and swapping out PCB parts. If Sony does that, there's a bit more attack surface through the controller ports if those aren't locked down enough, otherwise there wouldn't be any viable user-friendly hacking options. Maybe it's possible for both a preloaded game and the emulator itself to be exploitable enough for full memory or filesystem access, like maybe enough to make the system recognize, mount, and copy files off a USB flashdrive, but even if that's possible it'd take hundreds of precise controller inputs so you'd need something like a USB Rubber Ducky or Teensy to simulate those inputs.
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: C.Mongler on September 19, 2018, 07:38:45 PM
don't kill my dreams with all that logical techno mumbo jumbo i wanna play as my boy squall
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: TooB on September 19, 2018, 08:56:44 PM
Quote from: C.Mongler on September 19, 2018, 07:38:45 PMdon't kill my dreams with all that logical techno mumbo jumbo i wanna play as my boy squall
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: Samus Aran on September 19, 2018, 11:51:27 PM
*leon
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: bluaki on September 22, 2018, 11:59:19 PM
Quote from: bluaki on September 19, 2018, 12:01:41 AMIt looks like they thankfully went with normal USB ports for these controllers, so maybe it might be compatible with a DS3 or DS4 for analog input.
IGN asked Sony about this in an interview. It isn't.
http://ign.com/articles/2018/09/22/playstation-classic-will-support-smartphone-ac-usb-adaptors-will-not-support-other-ps-peripherals

QuoteAsked about whether other controllers, including those like the DualShock 4, could be connected via the USB ports to also function as controllers, the PlayStation spokesperson said "Peripherals for the original PlayStation or later platforms are not supported on PlayStation Classic, which is designed to work with the bundled controllers."

Even Nintendo didn't screw this up that bad. You can use all existing Wii Classic Controllers with the NES Classic and SNES Classic.
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: TooB on September 23, 2018, 01:09:51 AM
its ok tho.
ninty screwed up a lot of other things.
let them have the mini system victory
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: bluaki on October 29, 2018, 07:38:14 AM
I forgot this was even happening until seeing the articles today that they've finally announced the full library

Last month, they mentioned only 5 of the 20 games:

Today, they announced the remaining 15:

it's about as underwhelming of a library as I expected. No Spyro, no Crash, no Tomb Raider, no FF8/9, no Castlevania, no analog-dependent games. At least they have Metal Gear Solid.

Similar to Nintendo's equivalent systems, the Japanese version has a different library:
Missing: Cool Boarders 2, Destruction Derby, GTA, Oddworld, Rayman, Syphon Filter, Rainbow Six, Twisted Metal
Added: Ark the Lad 1+2 (Sony), Armored Core (From), GRADIUS Gaiden (Konami), Devil Dice (Sony), Saga Frontier (Square), G-Darius (Taito), Parasite Eve (Square)
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: YPrrrr on October 29, 2018, 07:44:42 AM
Ew
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: C.Mongler on October 29, 2018, 08:41:34 AM
y i k e s


yeah the only way i get in on this is if hacking is a possibility. given this lineup, i feel like it's almost in their best interests to just quietly leave the door open to it, as there's a significant lack of actual PS classics on this thing lol. I don't see this selling nearly as well as Nintendo's classixboys. like who the fuck wants to play coolboarders 2 in 2018 lmao
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: TooB on October 29, 2018, 09:11:32 AM
yeah, pretty underwhelming list.

they shouldve just kept the japanese list of games for us here. wouldve been better
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: C.Mongler on October 29, 2018, 09:18:16 AM
yeah the jap list is still not fantastic, but still leagues better except for losing twisted metal. tho why twisted metal 1 over 2, WHO THE FUK KNOWS
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: Samus Aran on October 29, 2018, 02:30:59 PM
fucking lame lmao
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on October 30, 2018, 02:02:19 PM
embarrassing lol

$ony just loves sending products out to die

well, at least that's $100 i don't have to worry about spending anymore

Is anybody here buying this? sillydood;
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: TooB on October 30, 2018, 03:17:42 PM
Quote from: Magyarorszag on October 30, 2018, 02:02:19 PMembarrassing lol

$ony just loves sending products out to die

well, at least that's $100 i don't have to worry about spending anymore

Is anybody here buying this? sillydood;

I probably still will
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: Samus Aran on October 30, 2018, 09:17:59 PM
i'm passing on it, despite getting an nes and snes mini
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: bluaki on November 08, 2018, 09:04:05 PM
Instead of using a PlayStation emulator developed in-house at Sony, like the PS3 and Vita did, the PS Classic Mini uses the open-source community-developed PCSX emulator.
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: TooB on November 08, 2018, 10:29:56 PM
Neat
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: Nyerp on November 09, 2018, 01:17:10 AM
that's pathetic
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: bluaki on November 09, 2018, 01:53:08 AM
I think that really speaks for the amount of effort they put into this product: they didn't even bother to work on their own emulator, they just grabbed some open-source project and threw in a few ISOs. It's a GPL-licensed emulator, so at least we should find out whether they made any patches to it, since they're legally required to release the source, assuming they even respect the license. At least they attribute it.

on the other hand I guess it might be a good thing, if the community-made is better than whatever emulator Sony comes up with themselves

also it's ironic considering the huge legal fuss Sony made about PS1 emulators in the past
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: C.Mongler on November 09, 2018, 09:07:59 AM
lol that's so goofy and not to be WhY nOt JuSt BuIlD a ReTrOpIe but at that point why not just build a retropie lol

I guess the case is nicer but that's about it. 

At least with Nintendo you got a charming menu, some neat QoL features like 4 anytime savestates, and then some oberlays n shit
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: bluaki on November 09, 2018, 11:38:15 PM
Quote from: C.Mongler on November 09, 2018, 09:07:59 AMlol thatââ,¬â,,¢s so goofy and not to be WhY nOt JuSt BuIlD a ReTrOpIe but at that point why not just build a retropie lol

I guess the case is nicer but thatââ,¬â,,¢s about it.

At least with Nintendo you got a charming menu, some neat QoL features like 4 anytime savestates, and then some oberlays n shit
PCSX is only used for the emulation core itself, and PS Mini has its own interface, similar to how RetroArch uses its own interface over a bunch of different emulation cores.

I hate to link Kotaku, but I can't find any source that shows what Sony's UI looks like: https://kotaku.com/playstation-classic-plays-fine-but-it-s-a-bare-bones-e-1830294616
so here's a direct MP4 video link: https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--SsX4roD2--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/si0uuw0i9wxfuv6aiw94.mp4

Quote from: Kotaku"Bare-bones" is probably the most accurate summation I can give of the PlayStation Classic so far. There are no special screen borders or graphic display options. There's a QR code that will load up manuals on the PlayStation website, but it wasn't functional during the preview event. There's a screensaver option that will dim the screen after a few minutes. Even the game selection menu itself is strictly utilitarian; there's no nostalgic theme song or other cute additions.

Amusingly, it seems some of the games included with the North American version of the PlayStation classic are the European versions. This is totally opposite of what Nintendo did on this front, where every region got the NTSC games to avoid all those PAL framerate issues. I don't know how much those issues plagued PlayStation.
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: Hiro on November 11, 2018, 09:05:52 PM
ew
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: C.Mongler on December 04, 2018, 06:42:31 AM
https://twitter.com/Nibellion/status/1069873514512031744

so they left the fucking debug shit in as it turns out lmao

surely they will figure out how to add games soon enough
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: C.Mongler on December 04, 2018, 06:52:46 AM
actually maybe not a banger lol, from Era:

QuoteDetailed thread (in French, that I'll translate) about what is happening with this mess:
https://twitter.com/Zetsuboushitta/status/1069924696647454722 (https://twitter.com/Zetsuboushitta/status/1069924696647454722)
Essentially:
- The system is running on Android using YOCTO
- The emulator is indeed PCSX-reArmed slightly modified but on a very old base, very badly optimized and badly implemented likely due to a lack of time
- Debug mode wasn't removed meaning that you can access it with K75 type Corsair keyboards or different types of Logitech keyboards
- The "60Hz" mode of the debug settings are just interpolating 50hz into 60hz by duplicating frames. aka it's still trash and isn't close to the original experience
- It seems easy to connect the console to a PC and load PC HUBs in it but as of now not to change the games themselves
- Hacking potential seems limited and overall pointless
still wild how badly Sony fucked this up, and I imagine why Nintendo hasn't gotten around to an N64 Mini yet lol
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: C.Mongler on December 05, 2018, 07:50:00 AM
lmao okay new development

https://twitter.com/AlphaFoxWarfare/status/1070139936924405760

there's actual classic PS1 titles, most of which you would have expected on a true, copyright and royalties be damned, PS classic, on the actual doo-doo ps classic. wtf lmao
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: C.Mongler on December 05, 2018, 08:49:17 AM
CMONGLER EXAGGERATES COMMUNITY FINDINGS ONCE AGAIN!!


so the full games are not hidden on the thing, it's simply menu references, but still lol.
Title: Re: PlayStation Classic Mini
Post by: don't let's on December 06, 2018, 11:44:19 AM
Quote from: C.Mongler on December 05, 2018, 08:49:17 AMCMONGLER EXAGGERATES COMMUNITY FINDINGS ONCE AGAIN!!


so the full games are not hidden on the thing, it's simply menu references, but still lol.

Exaggregation