(http://i.imgur.com/8n3xQ1w.jpg)
microsoft also announced that they are rebranding themselves as MacroJewâ"‡
what are you talking about
i'm so fucking annoying with how they're continually butchering win8 though, it wasn't perfect before but they're turning it into more and more of a mess with each update
also how hard is it to update the recycle bin icon, it's been the same since fucking vista
Windows...No More.
Quote from: g r a n t on April 03, 2014, 07:50:43 PM
also how hard is it to update the recycle bin icon, it's been the same since fucking vista
hiroproblems.jpg
Quote from: g r a n t on April 03, 2014, 07:49:28 PM
what are you talking about
i'm so fucking annoying with how they're continually butchering win8 though, it wasn't perfect before but they're turning it into more and more of a mess with each update
look at that green box on the bottom
you might have to open the image in a new window to zoom in
it's an ad
"BUY THIS BULLSHIT FOR $4.99"
know what operating system doesn't do this
all of them besides windows
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 03, 2014, 08:02:59 PM
Quote from: g r a n t on April 03, 2014, 07:49:28 PM
what are you talking about
i'm so fucking annoying with how they're continually butchering win8 though, it wasn't perfect before but they're turning it into more and more of a mess with each update
look at that green box on the bottom
you might have to open the image in a new window to zoom in
it's an ad
"BUY THIS BULLSHIT FOR $4.99"
know what operating system doesn't do this
all of them besides windows
That's just just the store app. It'll cycle through apps if you have the live tile turned on.
Quote from: … on April 03, 2014, 08:04:59 PM
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 03, 2014, 08:02:59 PM
Quote from: g r a n t on April 03, 2014, 07:49:28 PM
what are you talking about
i'm so fucking annoying with how they're continually butchering win8 though, it wasn't perfect before but they're turning it into more and more of a mess with each update
look at that green box on the bottom
you might have to open the image in a new window to zoom in
it's an ad
"BUY THIS BULLSHIT FOR $4.99"
know what operating system doesn't do this
all of them besides windows
That's just just the store app. It'll cycle through apps if you have the live tile turned on.
yeah
that's called an ad
os x has an app store but it doesn't market anything to you ever
Quote from: … on April 03, 2014, 08:04:59 PM
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 03, 2014, 08:02:59 PM
Quote from: g r a n t on April 03, 2014, 07:49:28 PM
what are you talking about
i'm so fucking annoying with how they're continually butchering win8 though, it wasn't perfect before but they're turning it into more and more of a mess with each update
look at that green box on the bottom
you might have to open the image in a new window to zoom in
it's an ad
"BUY THIS BULLSHIT FOR $4.99"
know what operating system doesn't do this
all of them besides windows
That's just just the store app. It'll cycle through apps if you have the live tile turned on.
wow fuk u a$$hole it's an ad!!!!
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 03, 2014, 08:06:03 PM
Quote from: … on April 03, 2014, 08:04:59 PM
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 03, 2014, 08:02:59 PM
Quote from: g r a n t on April 03, 2014, 07:49:28 PM
what are you talking about
i'm so fucking annoying with how they're continually butchering win8 though, it wasn't perfect before but they're turning it into more and more of a mess with each update
look at that green box on the bottom
you might have to open the image in a new window to zoom in
it's an ad
"BUY THIS BULLSHIT FOR $4.99"
know what operating system doesn't do this
all of them besides windows
That's just just the store app. It'll cycle through apps if you have the live tile turned on.
yeah
that's called an ad
os x has an app store but it doesn't market anything to you ever
But it's not just some random unmovable, unavoidable add like it was coming off as in your initial post. Whether you meant it like that or not. That was only on the store app icon, and those only show if you have the live tile option for it turned on. And it's like that right now.
Th-Thanks Microsoft.
ads should never be enabled by default
"help we are america's once wealthiest tech corp plz look at our ads"
Why not?
And anyways, it's just ads for apps in the app store, on the app store icon.
why should ads be enabled by default
should chrome have ads
should ms word
should powerpoint
should your calculator
you've paid for the product. don't try milking more money out of your customer.
Why should they not be enabled by default?
What do you think about when you actually launch the various app stores and they have all those ads for apps and recommendations and stuff?
You didn't pay foe Chrome 8)
Quote from: … on April 03, 2014, 08:19:38 PM
Why should they not be enabled by default?
What do you think about when you actually launch the various app stores and they have all those ads for apps and recommendations and stuff?
the app store itself is a marketing app
the start menu is not
and i don't think we should constantly have ads thrown in our faces 24/7 everywhere we go. there's no reason to get an ad every time you just want to open your calculator or find a file.
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 03, 2014, 08:31:49 PM
Quote from: … on April 03, 2014, 08:19:38 PM
Why should they not be enabled by default?
What do you think about when you actually launch the various app stores and they have all those ads for apps and recommendations and stuff?
the app store itself is a marketing app
the start menu is not
and i don't think we should constantly have ads thrown in our faces 24/7 everywhere we go. there's no reason to get an ad every time you just want to open your calculator or find a file.
Are you able to remove the app store icon from the start menu? Do you think maybe that that's just one of the apps that they have pinned there? And that you can pin whatever apps you want to have to the start menu or pin no apps at all? (Though maybe it could actually be irremovable, I haven't looked into it yet.)
Quotethe app store itself is a marketing app
and surprise surprise, it was the app store icon that those ads were displayed on and they're only displayed if you have the live tile option turned on.
fuck this amazon app giving me ads for their daily deals when i have the amazon widget on my home screen
Quote from: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo on April 03, 2014, 07:55:38 PM
Quote from: g r a n t on April 03, 2014, 07:50:43 PM
also how hard is it to update the recycle bin icon, it's been the same since fucking vista
hiroproblems.jpg
yeah we should never update visuals especially when half the os has an updated style while the other half hasn't been updated in 7 years, in fact let's just go back to the blue/green fischer-price buttons that xp had yeah what a good idea fuck aesthetics why even have a gui
the ads should not be visible unless you explicitly open the app store
Quote from: g r a n t on April 03, 2014, 09:18:02 PM
fuck this amazon app giving me ads for their daily deals when i have the amazon widget on my home screen
you chose to install the amazon app bullshit
it's not click to disable
imagine if every single thing you installed was "uncheck this box to NOT install xyz toolbar. are you sure you don't not want to not choose not to install the xyz toolbar?"
also
[spoiler]10:38:08 PM allen wolfgang: so they are putting adverts
10:38:11 PM allen wolfgang: on my god damn start button
10:38:14 PM lawlzos: yeah
10:38:16 PM allen wolfgang: what was wrong with this house button whatever
10:38:16 PM allen wolfgang: it was
10:38:18 PM allen wolfgang: WHy
10:38:20 PM lawlzos: idk
10:38:24 PM allen wolfgang: yeah but
10:38:25 PM lawlzos: $5 says hiro would defend this[/spoiler]
Quote from: g r a n t on April 03, 2014, 09:19:58 PM
Quote from: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo on April 03, 2014, 07:55:38 PM
Quote from: g r a n t on April 03, 2014, 07:50:43 PM
also how hard is it to update the recycle bin icon, it's been the same since fucking vista
hiroproblems.jpg
yeah we should never update visuals especially when half the os has an updated style while the other half hasn't been updated in 7 years, in fact let's just go back to the blue/green fischer-price buttons that xp had yeah what a good idea fuck aesthetics why even have a gui
hiro, not all changes are good changes
windows still doesn't have spaces goddamn
so im guessing staying w/ windows 7 is the best choice still?
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 03, 2014, 09:20:17 PM
you chose to install the amazon app bullshit
it's not click to disable
imagine if every single thing you installed was "uncheck this box to NOT install xyz toolbar. are you sure you don't not want to not choose not to install the xyz toolbar?"
also
[spoiler]10:38:08 PM allen wolfgang: so they are putting adverts
10:38:11 PM allen wolfgang: on my god damn start button
10:38:14 PM lawlzos: yeah
10:38:16 PM allen wolfgang: what was wrong with this house button whatever
10:38:16 PM allen wolfgang: it was
10:38:18 PM allen wolfgang: WHy
10:38:20 PM lawlzos: idk
10:38:24 PM allen wolfgang: yeah but
10:38:25 PM lawlzos: $5 says hiro would defend this[/spoiler]
it's not an ad
it's a tile that is completely optional and not just through a check box, it's optional like having any other application pinned to your start menu is optional.
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 03, 2014, 09:20:56 PM
hiro, not all changes are good changes
windows still doesn't have spaces goddamn
and you think aero's style is better than metro?
Quote from: g r a n t on April 03, 2014, 09:45:31 PM
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 03, 2014, 09:20:17 PM
you chose to install the amazon app bullshit
it's not click to disable
imagine if every single thing you installed was "uncheck this box to NOT install xyz toolbar. are you sure you don't not want to not choose not to install the xyz toolbar?"
also
[spoiler]10:38:08 PM allen wolfgang: so they are putting adverts
10:38:11 PM allen wolfgang: on my god damn start button
10:38:14 PM lawlzos: yeah
10:38:16 PM allen wolfgang: what was wrong with this house button whatever
10:38:16 PM allen wolfgang: it was
10:38:18 PM allen wolfgang: WHy
10:38:20 PM lawlzos: idk
10:38:24 PM allen wolfgang: yeah but
10:38:25 PM lawlzos: $5 says hiro would defend this[/spoiler]
it's not an ad
it's a tile that is completely optional and not just through a check box, it's optional like having any other application pinned to your start menu is optional.
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 03, 2014, 09:20:56 PM
hiro, not all changes are good changes
windows still doesn't have spaces goddamn
and you think aero's style is better than metro?
it is trying to sell you something
that is precisely what ads are
and yes. most people hate windows 8 and there are many good reasons why its reception has failed among critics and consumers. the fact ms said that the removal of the start menu was a great leap forward and then backpedaled completely and put it back in shows windows 8 is a huge mistake.
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 03, 2014, 09:48:48 PM
and yes. most people hate windows 8 and there are many good reasons why its reception has failed among critics and consumers. the fact ms said that the removal of the start menu was a great leap forward and then backpedaled completely and put it back in shows windows 8 is a huge mistake.
it shows that ms is totally spineless and will bend to any and all irrational bitching from idiots who hate change
yes windows 8 is a failure in that it doesn't work exactly the same as a 20-year old gui that everyone's used to and expects, which cost companies money in training old idiots that probably shouldn't operate a computer anyway, and pisses off people that also get pissed off when facebook updates its layout
Quote from: g r a n t on April 03, 2014, 09:19:58 PM
Quote from: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo on April 03, 2014, 07:55:38 PM
Quote from: g r a n t on April 03, 2014, 07:50:43 PM
also how hard is it to update the recycle bin icon, it's been the same since fucking vista
hiroproblems.jpg
yeah we should never update visuals especially when half the os has an updated style while the other half hasn't been updated in 7 years, in fact let's just go back to the blue/green fischer-price buttons that xp had yeah what a good idea fuck aesthetics why even have a gui
(http://grantnp.ektomarch.com/image-shuffle/shuffle.php)
Quote from: g r a n t on April 03, 2014, 09:54:59 PM
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 03, 2014, 09:48:48 PM
and yes. most people hate windows 8 and there are many good reasons why its reception has failed among critics and consumers. the fact ms said that the removal of the start menu was a great leap forward and then backpedaled completely and put it back in shows windows 8 is a huge mistake.
it shows that ms is totally spineless and will bend to any and all irrational bitching from idiots who hate change
yes windows 8 is a failure in that it doesn't work exactly the same as a 20-year old gui that everyone's used to and expects, which cost companies money in training old idiots that probably shouldn't operate a computer anyway, and pisses off people that also get pissed off when facebook updates its layout
hiro
microsoft was losing money because of their decision
the only irrational decision was to give up their marketshare to apple and free OSes akudood;
os x's marketshare grows with every iteration because they build upon their os in good ways and cut away the shit. microsoft cut away the defining features of windows and tried selling a mobile OS as a desktop OS. and they
still haven't included features that competing oses have had since 2003 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Control_(OS_X) )
akudood;
but really by "metro" i just meant the visual style, not the whole touchscreen interface or anything
i just find it bizarre that the entire desktop side has a totally different style
aesthetically yes windows 8 is nice
but it ends there. usability kills it.
Hiro is such a strange person. :(
“If you have enemies, good
that means you stood up for something.â€
― Eminem
Quote from: TLL7-MIB-7LLT on April 03, 2014, 10:14:11 PM
“If you have enemies, good
that means you stood up for something.â€
― Eminem
hitler had a lot of enemies
Quote from: cybermancer on April 03, 2014, 10:14:44 PM
Quote from: TLL7-MIB-7LLT on April 03, 2014, 10:14:11 PM
“If you have enemies, good
that means you stood up for something.â€
― Eminem
hitler had a lot of enemies
so did jews
so do jews
I've never understood why people get so upset over unobtrusive ads. If they're in the way, sure, go ahead and be pissed. But when they're barely noticeable, what's the big deal? It took me awhile to even find the ad in that screenshot.
Quote from: Geno on April 03, 2014, 10:18:38 PM
I've never understood why people get so upset over unobtrusive ads. If they're in the way, sure, go ahead and be pissed. But when they're barely noticeable, what's the big deal? It took me awhile to even find the ad in that screenshot.
subtle advertising is the worst
because you don't realize it's an ad and
because it's so fucking effective
when an ad is blatant we can dismiss it as retarded and annoying. when a character in a movie grabs a soda mid-conversation, takes a swig, and sets it down without ever acknowledging it as anything important, you're not even aware it's an ad
and then next time you're out of your house and getting a little bit sweaty, you think about how you haven't had a soda in a while
ads are fucking everywhere and i'm sick of it. they should not be plastered in an os and saying "yeah you can disable it" doesn't justify it. at some point, it'll be unavoidable.
hell, you pay for fucking xbox live and they still shove dr pepper ads in your face.
(http://i.imgur.com/6GrdUe4.jpg)
if you think this won't make its way into every os, just remember: you're not complaining. why wouldn't they if nobody cares?
what am i but an advertisement for a version of myself
Windows 8.1v2 does a lot to make the metro side more usable by giving it stuff like the task bar and title bar
It still does have a lot of usability problems.
Anyway, I can see why it's justified to complain about Microsoft including a store app by default in Windows, requiring a Live account to install even free software from it, and not feasibly allowing third parties to make their own stores/repositories. But, given that the app is installed, I don't get why you'd complain about it having a live tile that displays relevant content and can be removed like everything else. Besides, this isn't even anything new, as the live tile displayed the same way on the start screens earlier versions of Windows 8.
Don't the "upgrade your version of Windows" buttons/links that have existed forever in various dialog prompts also count as ads? They've been around way before Win8.
Quote from: bluaki on April 03, 2014, 10:35:04 PM
Windows 8.1v2 does a lot to make the metro side more usable by giving it stuff like the task bar and title bar
those are fucking horrible ideas which are going to make it even more of a mess
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 03, 2014, 10:26:38 PM
Quote from: Geno on April 03, 2014, 10:18:38 PM
I've never understood why people get so upset over unobtrusive ads. If they're in the way, sure, go ahead and be pissed. But when they're barely noticeable, what's the big deal? It took me awhile to even find the ad in that screenshot.
subtle advertising is the worst because you don't realize it's an ad and because it's so fucking effective
when an ad is blatant we can dismiss it as retarded and annoying. when a character in a movie grabs a soda mid-conversation, takes a swig, and sets it down without ever acknowledging it as anything important, you're not even aware it's an ad
and then next time you're out of your house and getting a little bit sweaty, you think about how you haven't had a soda in a while
ads are fucking everywhere and i'm sick of it. they should not be plastered in an os and saying "yeah you can disable it" doesn't justify it. at some point, it'll be unavoidable.
hell, you pay for fucking xbox live and they still shove dr pepper ads in your face.
(http://i.imgur.com/6GrdUe4.jpg)
if you think this won't make its way into every os, just remember: you're not complaining. why wouldn't they if nobody cares?
You didn't really answer my question. WHY do they bother you? Why do you care if an advertisement is trying to sell something? It's not like you see an advertisement for Pepsi and immediately think "Oh god dammit now I have to buy a Pepsi now!". Ads are absolutely harmless, and at the most slightly annoying. There's not really a good reason to get so upset about them.
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 03, 2014, 10:36:20 PM
Quote from: bluaki on April 03, 2014, 10:35:04 PMrelevant content
this term, boy
this term
What?
The way you normally would expect things to work is with email programs that show your emails, music playing programs that list your library, file managers listing just your own local files, etc.
Irrelevant content would be like a file-searching utility showing you Amazon ads (like Ubuntu/Unity does), having your view of useful information clouded with "UPDATE AVAILABLE" notifications, or struggling to find locally-installed programs because of an interface that's cluttered with suggested not-yet-installed programs. Or hiding the shutdown option inside a "settings" menu.
Quote from: Geno on April 03, 2014, 10:45:46 PM
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 03, 2014, 10:26:38 PM
Quote from: Geno on April 03, 2014, 10:18:38 PM
I've never understood why people get so upset over unobtrusive ads. If they're in the way, sure, go ahead and be pissed. But when they're barely noticeable, what's the big deal? It took me awhile to even find the ad in that screenshot.
subtle advertising is the worst because you don't realize it's an ad and because it's so fucking effective
when an ad is blatant we can dismiss it as retarded and annoying. when a character in a movie grabs a soda mid-conversation, takes a swig, and sets it down without ever acknowledging it as anything important, you're not even aware it's an ad
and then next time you're out of your house and getting a little bit sweaty, you think about how you haven't had a soda in a while
ads are fucking everywhere and i'm sick of it. they should not be plastered in an os and saying "yeah you can disable it" doesn't justify it. at some point, it'll be unavoidable.
hell, you pay for fucking xbox live and they still shove dr pepper ads in your face.
(http://i.imgur.com/6GrdUe4.jpg)
if you think this won't make its way into every os, just remember: you're not complaining. why wouldn't they if nobody cares?
You didn't really answer my question. WHY do they bother you? Why do you care if an advertisement is trying to sell something? It's not like you see an advertisement for Pepsi and immediately think "Oh god dammit now I have to buy a Pepsi now!". Ads are absolutely harmless, and at the most slightly annoying. There's not really a good reason to get so upset about them.
i don't want to be a dickshit who feels the need to buy XYZ worthless product everyday. i don't want to be shopping for vegetables and walk by some soda and have a pavlovian response. i don't want to be surrounded by dumbasses who say, "YES, MICROSOFT, MAKE ME WANT TO GO IN DEBT AND BUY SHIT I DON'T NEED. MAKE ME DUMBER"
Quote from: bluaki on April 03, 2014, 11:00:47 PM
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 03, 2014, 10:36:20 PM
Quote from: bluaki on April 03, 2014, 10:35:04 PMrelevant content
this term, boy
this term
What?
The way you normally would expect things to work is with email programs that show your emails, music playing programs that list your library, file managers listing just your own local files, etc.
Irrelevant content would be like a file-searching utility showing you Amazon ads (like Ubuntu/Unity does), having your view of useful information clouded with "UPDATE AVAILABLE" notifications, or struggling to find locally-installed programs because of an interface that's cluttered with suggested not-yet-installed programs. Or hiding the shutdown option inside a "settings" menu.
fucking filter changed gi.rl to bo.y lol
i don't want shit fed to me at all
my problem is "relevant content" is a buzzword that means shit you DON'T want. buy any product from any service and it'll automatically sign you up for emails that give you "relevant content" on a weekly basis. just because i bought a video game doesn't mean i want to receive daily deals on diapers in my inbox. i don't want to have to opt out to your "relevant content." if i bought the fucking product, that's where your profits end. if your service is "free" and supported by ads, yes, that's fine since the company needs to make money somehow.
but if i've already fucking paid, don't ask for more. that's not how it works, and anybody who believes it should work that way needs a boot in the ass more than an ad in their face
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 03, 2014, 11:04:32 PM
Quote from: Geno on April 03, 2014, 10:45:46 PM
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 03, 2014, 10:26:38 PM
Quote from: Geno on April 03, 2014, 10:18:38 PM
I've never understood why people get so upset over unobtrusive ads. If they're in the way, sure, go ahead and be pissed. But when they're barely noticeable, what's the big deal? It took me awhile to even find the ad in that screenshot.
subtle advertising is the worst because you don't realize it's an ad and because it's so fucking effective
when an ad is blatant we can dismiss it as retarded and annoying. when a character in a movie grabs a soda mid-conversation, takes a swig, and sets it down without ever acknowledging it as anything important, you're not even aware it's an ad
and then next time you're out of your house and getting a little bit sweaty, you think about how you haven't had a soda in a while
ads are fucking everywhere and i'm sick of it. they should not be plastered in an os and saying "yeah you can disable it" doesn't justify it. at some point, it'll be unavoidable.
hell, you pay for fucking xbox live and they still shove dr pepper ads in your face.
(http://i.imgur.com/6GrdUe4.jpg)
if you think this won't make its way into every os, just remember: you're not complaining. why wouldn't they if nobody cares?
You didn't really answer my question. WHY do they bother you? Why do you care if an advertisement is trying to sell something? It's not like you see an advertisement for Pepsi and immediately think "Oh god dammit now I have to buy a Pepsi now!". Ads are absolutely harmless, and at the most slightly annoying. There's not really a good reason to get so upset about them.
i don't want to be a dickshit who feels the need to buy XYZ worthless product everyday. i don't want to be shopping for vegetables and walk by some soda and have a pavlovian response. i don't want to be surrounded by dumbasses who say, "YES, MICROSOFT, MAKE ME WANT TO GO IN DEBT AND BUY SHIT I DON'T NEED. MAKE ME DUMBER"
...Then don't? Do you really lack that much self control that you just go out and buy everything advertised to you? Advertisements are everywhere. If you let them bother you this much then you're gonna have a bad time. Just do what I do and don't give a shit. I see an advertisement, and I move on. It's not hard.
Do What I do and Be Eternally Apathetic. it helped in high school
geno the fucking point is that while i may resist 99% of the ads i'm subjected to we're all subconsciously victims of them
everybody thinks they're immune to ads, yet billions upon billions of dollars are pumped into them. do you ever wonder why that is
i mean fuck, this whole fucking thread is full of people saying it's not a bad thing. if you don't see the problem here, then you're retarded.
also fyi ads don't make you go out and buy things (generally). they simply make you aware of a product or service. whenever you decide to buy a product or service, you opt for the one you were at some point exposed to.
e.g. you've never seen a direct commercial for sriracha, but i can assume that at some point a large number of boyagers have purchased it. we craved a hot sauce and thought "man that seems like it'd be good" and so we bought huy fong â,,¢ brand sriracha â,,¢ one day we craved something a little spicy and something in the back of our mind provoked us to look in its direction. why choose sriracha over the other 29038209 brands?
because we came across a mention of it on the internet.
or someday your bathtub is overflowing and spilling out onto the floor. 6 months ago you went by a billboard advertising some plumbers but you thought nothing of it. that night you open the yellow pages and skim through the list of plumbers and your finger stops on a random name. you think it's random and just call it to see what their rates are. they seem decent. you get them to fix your tub.
some part of your mind recognized that name
ads don't need to be on fucking everything. why not just plaster our socks and pants and glasses and wedding rings with App Of The Week ads. these are things we have to use everyday but most people don't want this shit plastered on them or thrown in their face at inappropriate times.
why the fuck do you want it thrown in your face when you're playing a game you paid $60 for or an os that costs $200. you already paid for the product. those ads don't "enhance" your experience--they steadily take over it and then someday you yearn for the times before you could open a fucking file without watching a 30 second ad
Again, you're dodging the question I'm asking. Why is any of that a problem? If the fact that you recognize a business name bothers you so much, then I honestly don't know what to tell you. It's how the business world has always worked and there's nothing you can do about it. Getting upset over it is just a waste of time and energy.
Quote from: Geno on April 03, 2014, 11:55:49 PM
Again, you're dodging the question I'm asking. Why is any of that a problem? If the fact that you recognize a business name bothers you so much, then I honestly don't know what to tell you. It's how the business world has always worked and there's nothing you can do about it. Getting upset over it is just a waste of time and energy.
i just told you why it's a fucking problem
it's corrupted people to the point that they bend over backwards to defend ads and think the concept of not wanting to have 24/7 exposure to ads is "absurd" and requires justification akudood;
it's the same fucking issue with people objecting to 24/7 surveillance and people saying "WELL YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE RIGHT"
And no, business has not always involved shoving ads into your home and into goods and services that you already paid for. I don't want to slice open a tomato just to see a coupon to mcdonald's inside. I just want a fucking tomato and nothing else.
When I buy an OS, I just want the fucking OS. If I want other apps, I'll seek them out.
i hope snorkel reenables ads on boyah soon
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 04, 2014, 12:00:51 AM
Quote from: Geno on April 03, 2014, 11:55:49 PM
Again, you're dodging the question I'm asking. Why is any of that a problem? If the fact that you recognize a business name bothers you so much, then I honestly don't know what to tell you. It's how the business world has always worked and there's nothing you can do about it. Getting upset over it is just a waste of time and energy.
i just told you why it's a fucking problem
it's corrupted people to the point that they bend over backwards to defend ads and think the concept of not wanting to have 24/7 exposure to ads is "absurd" and requires justification akudood;
it's the same fucking issue with people objecting to 24/7 surveillance and people saying "WELL YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE RIGHT"
And no, business has not always involved shoving ads into your home and into goods and services that you already paid for. I don't want to slice open a tomato just to see a coupon to mcdonald's inside. I just want a fucking tomato and nothing else.
When I buy an OS, I just want the fucking OS. If I want other apps, I'll seek them out.
Apps are now part of windows OS by default starting with 8. When you buy 8 you have apps too.
QuoteAnd no, business has not always involved shoving ads into your home and into goods and services that you already paid for. I don't want to slice open a tomato just to see a coupon to mcdonald's inside. I just want a fucking tomato and nothing else.
Because most of them have already tricked you into paying for their service., that's why most of them have no ads as an incentive for you to buy the paid version or subscription. They'll make more money off of your subscription than off of just ads.
But that doesn't mean that paying for something inherently means no ads. That "no ads" thing is just another ploy and marketing scheme. And I guess when you get down to it, it's also an ad for whatever service or product they're trying to sell, and we've been spoon fed the "pay for no ads" thing (they're actually making us pay for no ads) for so long that we jump at the chance for it. And people have been basically brainwashed now (obviously) into expecting or thinking that paying = no ads automatically.
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 03, 2014, 09:58:30 PM
and they still haven't included features that competing oses have had since 2003 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Control_(OS_X) )
akudood;
Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Control_%28OS_X%29#Similar_applicationsMicrosoft Windows Vista as well as 7 provides a feature called Windows Flip 3D, which has a broadly similar purpose. Flip 3D allows a user to flip through all open windows in a manner similar to how the application switcher works (alt+tab). A downside to this method is that the frontmost window covers a significant portion of the other windows, unlike Exposé. On the other hand, this allows the user to see the contents of the frontmost window, while this can be difficult in Exposé, especially if the user has a large number of windows open
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista#Windows_Flip_and_Flip_3D
Which admittedly is a little different but is apparently similar according to the link you provided. (Though I guess it's even more toned down in Windows 8.)
If "no ads" is a marketing scheme, then you know your entire corporation needs a bullet to the head more than a business strategy.
Well just think about how many places and things out here that use that as an incentive or the main incentive
lol that start menu is fug
8's good changes:
-Explorer has some nice additions. For example you get the transfer rate of files between disks or on the same disk so you know how fast something is happening. A graph is included. This helps a lot to tell if it's hanging on a file or if something is just really huge.
-Task Manager has a better interface with much more detailed breakdowns of network activity, disk activity, cpu, and ram activity.
Shit:
-GODDAMN TILES
good/bad depending on if you like it:
-If your PC isn't a tablet but you RDP into your desktop using a tablet you can take advantage of the touch features. This is only really a benefit if you're using a tablet because RDP kind of sucks on 7 with a tablet. Using it as a tablet OS in this case actually works well.
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 04, 2014, 12:00:51 AM
Quote from: Geno on April 03, 2014, 11:55:49 PM
Again, you're dodging the question I'm asking. Why is any of that a problem? If the fact that you recognize a business name bothers you so much, then I honestly don't know what to tell you. It's how the business world has always worked and there's nothing you can do about it. Getting upset over it is just a waste of time and energy.
i just told you why it's a fucking problem
it's corrupted people to the point that they bend over backwards to defend ads and think the concept of not wanting to have 24/7 exposure to ads is "absurd" and requires justification akudood;
it's the same fucking issue with people objecting to 24/7 surveillance and people saying "WELL YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE RIGHT"
And no, business has not always involved shoving ads into your home and into goods and services that you already paid for. I don't want to slice open a tomato just to see a coupon to mcdonald's inside. I just want a fucking tomato and nothing else.
When I buy an OS, I just want the fucking OS. If I want other apps, I'll seek them out.
You keep going back to how this affects other people, and I'm asking how this affects YOU. Most people are fucking idiots. There's nothing you can change about that. Yes, they're going to be manipulated by companies like Microsoft, but that's entirely because they don't have enough intelligence to realize what's going on. The big corporations realized they could profit off all these stupid people, and that's exactly what they're doing with all these ads. It's their own fault for being so oblivious.
But for people like you and me who can see through the greedy bullshit, it doesn't really affect us. So why get so bothered over it? It's a little bit frustrating, but it's just something you gotta deal with man. They're not going to stop doing it until people stop being morons.
Where can i get lawlzs tinfoil hat from?
Why does cable television have commercials?
Quote from: PLEASEHELP1991 on April 04, 2014, 11:19:29 AM
Why does cable television have commercials?
its a conspiracy.
Why do movies have trailers?
I actually knew someone who refused to watch movie trailers because he didn't want the corporations manipulating him into watching their movie.
I mean come on.
Quote from: Geno on April 04, 2014, 11:23:51 AM
I actually knew someone who refused to watch movie trailers because he didn't want the corporations manipulating him into watching their movie.
I mean come on.
was it lawlz?
Quote from: Geno on April 04, 2014, 10:46:10 AM
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 04, 2014, 12:00:51 AM
Quote from: Geno on April 03, 2014, 11:55:49 PM
Again, you're dodging the question I'm asking. Why is any of that a problem? If the fact that you recognize a business name bothers you so much, then I honestly don't know what to tell you. It's how the business world has always worked and there's nothing you can do about it. Getting upset over it is just a waste of time and energy.
i just told you why it's a fucking problem
it's corrupted people to the point that they bend over backwards to defend ads and think the concept of not wanting to have 24/7 exposure to ads is "absurd" and requires justification akudood;
it's the same fucking issue with people objecting to 24/7 surveillance and people saying "WELL YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE RIGHT"
And no, business has not always involved shoving ads into your home and into goods and services that you already paid for. I don't want to slice open a tomato just to see a coupon to mcdonald's inside. I just want a fucking tomato and nothing else.
When I buy an OS, I just want the fucking OS. If I want other apps, I'll seek them out.
You keep going back to how this affects other people, and I'm asking how this affects YOU. Most people are fucking idiots. There's nothing you can change about that. Yes, they're going to be manipulated by companies like Microsoft, but that's entirely because they don't have enough intelligence to realize what's going on. The big corporations realized they could profit off all these stupid people, and that's exactly what they're doing with all these ads. It's their own fault for being so oblivious.
But for people like you and me who can see through the greedy bullshit, it doesn't really affect us. So why get so bothered over it? It's a little bit frustrating, but it's just something you gotta deal with man. They're not going to stop doing it until people stop being morons.
hey shithead
I'm not the only person on earth
Stupid decisions by other people affect me
If everyone but me says ads everywhere are good, guess who will be increasingly subjected to ads
Me
Think things the fuck through
Quote from: PLEASEHELP1991 on April 04, 2014, 11:17:13 AM
Quote from: Project Lunchbox F on April 04, 2014, 10:54:10 AM
Where can i get lawlzs tinfoil hat from?
libertarianism
libertarians see ads everywhere as business freedom
Marx sees it as an abuse of power by the bourgeoisie
Quote from: PLEASEHELP1991 on April 04, 2014, 11:19:29 AM
Why does cable television have commercials?
because nobody cancels their service
The ad to show ratio actually has been increasing
And really would you fuckers pay to see a movie if ads popped up on the bottom of the screen or there were 30 second interruptions every scene change
also geno i didn't fully read your post earlier because i just read the first sentence and stopped because it was retarded enough
but
QuoteIt's a little bit frustrating, but it's just something you gotta deal with man. They're not going to stop doing it until people stop being morons.
no
i do not have to deal with it
i can (at the moment) choose operating systems without ads shoved in
i can complain on the internet and say that it's a problem
you say you "see through the greedy bullshit", but you turn around and fucking defend ads everywhere as a fact of life.
no
it's not something you have to deal with
here are easy things you can do:
1: not use the product (becomes ineffective if every idiot just accepts it because "that's the way it is")
2: complain
people complained about windows 8's lack of a start menu. people refused to upgrade due to that fact. you know what happened? microsoft put it back in.
very, very few people honestly enjoy ads. most people simply put up with them. the most brainwashed and absolutely asinine people go out of their way to say people who think that ever-encroaching ads are a problem are dumb or somehow need to justify their opinion.
seriously, justify the ads beyond "you might be interested in it!!!!" adding ads does not lower the cost of the service. if that were true, cable tv would be free. if the service is free and is funded by ads, that's understandable, but microsoft's products are not free. you pay for them and you're still getting ads. if you think i'm a "tinfoil hatter", tell me how. i'm saying ads are being plastered in more places and to no benefit to us. they're in our mailboxes, they're on tv, they're on websites, they're on the radio, they're on clothing, they're in games, they're in schools, and they're being tested in operating systems. if we just shut down and say "yeah whatever nothing you can do", then yes, you'll end up with ads. ads in operating systems are not yet a major trend.
the corporations realize they can profit off dumbasses like you. they want to make you think you're somehow immune to them because it gives you this bullshit sense of superiority with which you talk down to people who realize that we don't need to take this shit. just because you wrongly think you're superior and ads don't affect you doesn't mean other people need to be subjected to them. a person with a decent head on their shoulders doesn't just see the problems the world presents for them, but the problems the world presents to everyone.
fuck, captchas are even being replaced with video ads. should we really have to watch a 15 second video featuring "relevant content" just to get 2 words to type in in order to prove we're human?
ads aren't going to stop so long as retards think they're above them, and honestly, you're not going to find anybody who says, "Yeah, i'm a frequent victim of advertising. i can't resist buying all the dumb shit that's thrown in my face." every single goddamn person here thinks they're immune. hell, go to the dumbest community on earth and you'll find 5.6 million redditors saying ads are dumb and pointless because they're unaffected.
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 04, 2014, 05:38:41 PM
you pay for them and you're still getting ads.
Why is that somehow taboo? Or what exactly is wrong with that?
Though in any case, this is literally a non issue in Windows 8 in regards to the app store since if you turn off the live tile it just turns into a static icon and doesn't showcase any apps or app recommendations on it anymore. And/or you can unpin the app store and not even see that icon at all except for in the all apps section. Or if you resize it to small it'll only show the app store icon on it.
Quote from: … on April 04, 2014, 08:15:56 PM
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 04, 2014, 05:38:41 PM
you pay for them and you're still getting ads.
Why is that somehow taboo? Or what exactly is wrong with that?
Though in any case, this is literally a non issue in Windows 8 in regards to the app store since if you turn off the live tile it just turns into a static icon and doesn't showcase any apps or app recommendations on it anymore. And/or you can unpin the app store and not even see that icon at all except for in the all apps section. Or if you resize it to small it'll only show the app store icon on it.
how about this: if you charge full price for the product, it's yours. you keep it. that's it.
or you can pass the savings onto the consumer and use a modest amount of ads to reduce the cost of the product.
let's use games as an example.
games like super mario galaxy take millions to develop and have big teams. those games cost $60. while expensive, the development process is expensive and gaming is a relatively niche market, so the high cost is justifiable. you also get to enjoy a game that's simply a game and you're not interrupted or in any way have your immersion broken with ads.
now let's assume EA isn't an awful company (wow i wonder why they have a bad reputation MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE THEY MILK THEIR CONSUMERS FOR ALL THEY'RE WORTH) and that their madden budget is equal to super mario galaxy's. instead of charging $60 for the same game every year, they decide to be reasonable and make it cheaping. they put streaming ads on the billboards in the game. maybe when you're waiting for an online match to start they might play a 30 second ad. is charging $60 for something like this reasonable? hell no. is charging $30 for something like this? sure. they put in ads and the consumer manages to save money, but at the same time ea doesn't lose anything. they might even end up making the equivalent of $100+ per game due to the advertisements.
now if you're not aware, this doesn't happen. games cost $60 no matter what and cable tv ranges from $60-300/month and 40% of all air time is commercials. the growth of reality tv means shows have smaller and smaller budgets, meaning bigger and bigger profits. reality tv is also a means in which ads can be seamlessly integrated within the program (guy drinking a coke while giving a fake rant, heated fake argument between two people with falsely censored massive nike logos on their shirts, etc) only boosting their profits further. it's endless advertising. sure, they have the right to profit, but it's at the point where it costs them nothing. the people who do the sound and artwork don't get paid nearly as much as the person who okayed the show to be aired even though they're doing the work. the profits move up the ladder and not to the actual workers.
so while many americans pay around $120 for cable (i'm assuming this is average since this is what my parents pay and they don't even have hbo and shit), you get basically nothing out of it. netflix is i think $8 a month and you don't get any third party content shoved down your throat--just a listing of shows they host and only when you're visiting their website. a movie ticket costs about $15 and it's an uninterrupted experience. when you buy a book, the middle 10 pages aren't filled with coupons to restaurants and shoe stores you don't care about.
should this change?
i've seen zero justification for why this is good other than geno saying "lol i'm not dumb ads don't work on me!!!" which is akin to saying taxes shouldn't support social programs because you're wealthy enough that you can support yourself.
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 04, 2014, 08:56:43 PM
Quote from: … on April 04, 2014, 08:15:56 PM
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 04, 2014, 05:38:41 PM
you pay for them and you're still getting ads.
Why is that somehow taboo? Or what exactly is wrong with that?
Though in any case, this is literally a non issue in Windows 8 in regards to the app store since if you turn off the live tile it just turns into a static icon and doesn't showcase any apps or app recommendations on it anymore. And/or you can unpin the app store and not even see that icon at all except for in the all apps section. Or if you resize it to small it'll only show the app store icon on it.
how about this: if you charge full price for the product, it's yours. you keep it. that's it.
or you can pass the savings onto the consumer and use a modest amount of ads to reduce the cost of the product.
let's use games as an example.
games like super mario galaxy take millions to develop and have big teams. those games cost $60. while expensive, the development process is expensive and gaming is a relatively niche market, so the high cost is justifiable. you also get to enjoy a game that's simply a game and you're not interrupted or in any way have your immersion broken with ads.
now let's assume EA isn't an awful company (wow i wonder why they have a bad reputation MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE THEY MILK THEIR CONSUMERS FOR ALL THEY'RE WORTH) and that their madden budget is equal to super mario galaxy's. instead of charging $60 for the same game every year, they decide to be reasonable and make it cheaping. they put streaming ads on the billboards in the game. maybe when you're waiting for an online match to start they might play a 30 second ad. is charging $60 for something like this reasonable? hell no. is charging $30 for something like this? sure. they put in ads and the consumer manages to save money, but at the same time ea doesn't lose anything. they might even end up making the equivalent of $100+ per game due to the advertisements.
now if you're not aware, this doesn't happen. games cost $60 no matter what and cable tv ranges from $60-300/month and 40% of all air time is commercials. the growth of reality tv means shows have smaller and smaller budgets, meaning bigger and bigger profits. reality tv is also a means in which ads can be seamlessly integrated within the program (guy drinking a coke while giving a fake rant, heated fake argument between two people with falsely censored massive nike logos on their shirts, etc) only boosting their profits further. it's endless advertising. sure, they have the right to profit, but it's at the point where it costs them nothing. the people who do the sound and artwork don't get paid nearly as much as the person who okayed the show to be aired even though they're doing the work. the profits move up the ladder and not to the actual workers.
so while many americans pay around $120 for cable (i'm assuming this is average since this is what my parents pay and they don't even have hbo and shit), you get basically nothing out of it. netflix is i think $8 a month and you don't get any third party content shoved down your throat--just a listing of shows they host and only when you're visiting their website. a movie ticket costs about $15 and it's an uninterrupted experience. when you buy a book, the middle 10 pages aren't filled with coupons to restaurants and shoe stores you don't care about.
should this change?
i've seen zero justification for why this is good other than geno saying "lol i'm not dumb ads don't work on me!!!" which is akin to saying taxes shouldn't support social programs because you're wealthy enough that you can support yourself.
You didn't actually outright (or at all) say why it was taboo or wrong
i've reiterated that numerous times if you actually read. it's the same reason people don't just take dumps on the streets. nobody wants to see that shit everywhere they go.
now tell me why it's fine
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 04, 2014, 09:43:04 PM
i've reiterated that numerous times if you actually read.
I did read it. And it was just you going on some huge rant about how you don't like ads and trying to throw in different examples of some things kinda related about it instead of just actually stating outright why it's wrong or should be taboo to have ads in something that has a price. And for another question, why do you automatically subscribe to that if you pay for something it should have no ads?
Quoteit's the same reason people don't just take dumps on the streets. nobody wants to see that shit everywhere they go.
That' still doesn't mean it's wrong in the case of ads though as those two aren't entirely comparable in all aspects.
Quotenow tell me why it's fine
Actually it could just be existing neither fine or wrong. It just exists as it is. (For all I care anyway.)
But the thing is that you keep going in on the tirades about how wrong it is to have ads in a paid for product but without actually going into why it's wrong or why you think it's wrong. (other than, "oh, everybody hates ads")
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 04, 2014, 09:43:04 PM
i've reiterated that numerous times if you actually read.
tell me why it's fine
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 04, 2014, 09:49:07 PM
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 04, 2014, 09:43:04 PM
i've reiterated that numerous times if you actually read.
tell me why it's fine
check my edit for your last line and still no you didn't for that first line. (You might have tried, but you didn't actually succeed) But I guess nice try at a deflection? Maybe?
and really i already said why paying for a product and still receiving ads is wrong
it benefits no one relevant to either production or consumption of the artistic content
read
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Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 04, 2014, 09:52:42 PM
and really i already said why paying for a product and still receiving ads is wrong
it benefits no one relevant to either production or consumption of the artistic content
read
How does that mean that mean that it's wrong though?
And actually the no benefits thing is something that's probably subjective and not entirely true in every case.
taxing the poor for the sole purpose of giving to the rich also isn't necessarily wrong
if you see this as "deflection", then you are failing to make any sort of connection between two nearly identical points
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 04, 2014, 09:59:27 PM
taxing the poor for the sole purpose of giving to the rich also isn't necessarily wrong
if you see this as "deflection", then you are failing to make any sort of connection between two nearly identical points
Taxing the poor is taking money away from people. Putting ads in something isn't the same thing at all. I can see what you were trying to go for here, but I don't think it works and falls apart pretty easily.
Though, are you now saying that putting ads in a paid for product isn't "necessarily wrong"? Are you switching to that sort of stance?
Quote from: … on April 04, 2014, 10:01:19 PM
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 04, 2014, 09:59:27 PM
taxing the poor for the sole purpose of giving to the rich also isn't necessarily wrong
if you see this as "deflection", then you are failing to make any sort of connection between two nearly identical points
Taxing the poor is taking money away from people. Putting ads in something isn't the same thing at all. I can see what you were trying to go for here, but I don't think it works and falls apart pretty easily.
Though, are you now saying that putting ads in a paid for product isn't "necessarily wrong"? Are you switching to that sort of stance?
paying for a service is taking money from people
ads don't immediately take money from people, but they do at some point or another. their purpose is to get a person to either buy something they wouldn't have needed/wanted otherwise or plant a seed of knowledge for whenever they need a good or service later. ads in entertainment never feature the latter.
excessive advertisements result in a cycle of people buying goods they don't need just so that they can be further convinced to buy more shit they don't need. these ads offer no benefit to the consumer--only an emptier wallet and increasingly braindead content. ad revenue in such content also doesn't benefit the content creators and flows up to the people pushing for more ads and control. these people use their ever increasing wealth in order to establish more power through cultural and governmental (lobbying) domination
honestly just straight up taxing the poor just because they're poor is less detrimental than ads. people defend excessive advertising because it's a delayed effect that's not immediately obvious and successful marketers are making increasingly dumb commercials so that people think they've above the influence. a straight up poor people's tax makes its consequences more visible. they're the same thing except one is easily hidden.
if ads didn't take money from people, ads would be pointless. they're used because they work and they're incredibly successful. nobody wants to pay taxes. nearly every 20 something male loves old spice commercials
plus their products.
And Lawlz still has yet to explain why ads affect him personally. Only how they affect stupid people. We're just going around in circles here because you keep dodging the main question we're asking.
Quote from: Geno on April 04, 2014, 10:27:40 PM
And Lawlz still has yet to explain why ads affect him personally. Only how they affect stupid people. We're just going around in circles here because you keep dodging the main question we're asking.
holy fuck geno read the fucking thread i directly responded to this holy shit
you're the one who has yet to justify them in any way or do anything but ask this fucking question
geno i swear to fucking god silvertone and i are going to board you up in your house and have the world's greatest goddamn boyager meetup right next door and put burning bags of dog shit in front of all of your windows and doors and your house will smell like dog shit but you won't be able to extinguish the flames and you'll choke and die on dog shit fumes. what made you will also kill you.
i am throwing down 5 god DAMN dollars geno i will go out and collect the dog shit myself this is fucking happening jesus fucking christ
i'll give you an upperdecker with dog shit and don't you fucking doubt it for one little second you fat bastard
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 04, 2014, 10:31:27 PM
Quote from: Geno on April 04, 2014, 10:27:40 PM
And Lawlz still has yet to explain why ads affect him personally. Only how they affect stupid people. We're just going around in circles here because you keep dodging the main question we're asking.
holy fuck geno read the fucking thread i directly responded to this holy shit
you're the one who has yet to justify them in any way or do anything but ask this fucking question
geno i swear to fucking god silvertone and i are going to board you up in your house and have the world's greatest goddamn boyager meetup right next door and put burning bags of dog shit in front of all of your windows and doors and your house will smell like dog shit but you won't be able to extinguish the flames and you'll choke and die on dog shit fumes. what made you will also kill you.
i am throwing down 5 god DAMN dollars geno i will go out and collect the dog shit myself this is fucking happening jesus fucking christ
i'll give you an upperdecker with dog shit and don't you fucking doubt it for one little second you fat bastard
I love you Lawlz.
And uh, why do you want me to justify ads exactly? I never said I agree with them. I just don't think they're as big of a deal as you're making them out to be.
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 04, 2014, 10:11:22 PM
paying for a service is taking money from people
Because people are willing buy that service, in most cases. And you can say that they're brainwashed into liking it or whatever, and that's possibly true to an extent on certain things. But, you know…
Quoteads don't immediately take money from people, but they do at some point or another. their purpose is to get a person to either buy something they wouldn't have needed/wanted otherwise or plant a seed of knowledge for whenever they need a good or service later. ads in entertainment never feature the latter.
the ads themselves don't actually. The product or the company behind it does. But that's just probably semantics.
Quoteexcessive advertisements result in a cycle of people buying goods they don't need just so that they can be further convinced to buy more shit they don't need. these ads offer no benefit to the consumer--only an emptier wallet and increasingly braindead content.
Yes, it can though not always. But then you have to ask is how much does it affect? How many people, and how often? And are they themselves actually ok with buying products and goods that they don't actually need? (Which there are tons of unneeded products and whole industries out here such as video games, movies, and tv. With a possible exemption there for news but even that's at least somewhat debatable in its current form. )
Quotead revenue in such content also doesn't benefit the content creators and flows up to the people pushing for more ads and control. these people use their ever increasing wealth in order to establish more power through cultural and governmental (lobbying) domination
honestly just straight up taxing the poor just because they're poor is less detrimental than ads. people defend excessive advertising because it's a delayed effect that's not immediately obvious and successful marketers are making increasingly dumb commercials so that people think they've above the influence. a straight up poor people's tax makes its consequences more visible. they're the same thing except one is easily hidden.
Well I'm not exactly defending it, but I don't see what was happening in the Windows 8 case in the same manner as you were. And I think it doesn't even apply to most of the stuff you were saying here in this thread. Given the few points I've made earlier about turning off the live tile and unpinning it. And in that picture it just being the app store and it just displaying app store content. If it also displayed other content, then yeah, I would have been more sympathetic to what you were saying. But it doesn't.
Maybe your thing here was to make some bigger point about ads in general, but Windows 8 didn't really fit with any points you were trying to make and I think it was a mistake to try and use that because it didn't fit with what you were saying. I think that's what was confusing most people here and why people were calling you out for a lot of this. (And it comeplety undermine everything, or most things, you were saying)
As for the lobbying, yeah I can see that.
I still don't think your taxing the poor thing works really in comparison to most things here.
Quoteif ads didn't take money from people, ads would be pointless. they're used because they work and they're incredibly successful. nobody wants to pay taxes. nearly every 20 something male loves old spice commercials plus their products.
Well, yeah because some commercial are a form of entertainment now too. And it does get people to try out products, and then people actually might like those products too if they keep going back to them.
And you can be sure that if somebody doesn't like something some people will vilify and then you have some people that are just indifferent to it and write it off without any fuss.
Quote from: … on April 04, 2014, 10:01:19 PM
Quote from: ncba93ivyase on April 04, 2014, 09:59:27 PM
taxing the poor for the sole purpose of giving to the rich also isn't necessarily wrong
if you see this as "deflection", then you are failing to make any sort of connection between two nearly identical points
Taxing the poor is taking money away from people. Putting ads in something isn't the same thing at all. I can see what you were trying to go for here, but I don't think it works and falls apart pretty easily.
Though, are you now saying that putting ads in a paid for product isn't "necessarily wrong"? Are you switching to that sort of stance?
and, yo?