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I'd way rather play 3ds personally. Has the better mario, the better zeldas, the better mario kart, the better animal crossing, better donkey kongs, better kirbys, better Metroids, smash bros, has virtual console games, etc

DS had better Pokemon games and Advanced Wars though

they're both equally inferior to the gba, but ds had tons more shovelware so i guess 3ds wins

the shovelware argument has never made any sense to me

the ds has more shovelware, yes, but that's because the ds has 3/2 the games the 3ds does total lol

is the virtual boy among the greatest consoles ever because it has a negligible number of shovelware titles

Game Boy

Quote from: C.Mongler on August 15, 2018, 02:10:08 PMYou do know you don't HAVE to play the shovelware titles right?

Quote from: YPrrrr on August 15, 2018, 06:17:25 PM3ds [...] Has the better [...] mario kart

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Quote from: Magyarorszag on August 15, 2018, 06:41:54 PM

Quote from: YPrrrr on August 15, 2018, 06:17:25 PM3ds [...] Has the better [...] mario kart

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maybe DS has better mario kart idk

It's just ugly as sin to play now

Quote from: Magyarorszag on August 15, 2018, 06:11:47 PMprove me wrong

you didn't say anything confuseddood;

Well then it should be easy to prove me wrong. girl;

3ds because it can play the entire ds library anyway

idk i like both about equally confuseddood;

that is... actually not that much lol

i'm not much of a portable gamer

Quote from: Big Goop on August 15, 2018, 07:10:29 PM3ds because it can play the entire ds library anyway

the backwards compatibility argument never works

otherwise i could use the entire gba library as an argument in favor of the ds, and the pc is unarguably, objectively the greatest gaming platform of all time akudood;

I like them both a lot :)

Quote from: Magyarorszag on August 15, 2018, 07:24:39 PM

Quote from: Big Goop on August 15, 2018, 07:10:29 PM3ds because it can play the entire ds library anyway

the backwards compatibility argument never works

otherwise i could use the entire gba library as an argument in favor of the ds, and the pc is unarguably, objectively the greatest gaming platform of all time akudood;

It's the best argument

well then i suppose pc wins everyth for all time goowan

Quote from: Magyarorszag on August 15, 2018, 07:29:59 PMwell then i suppose pc wins everyth for all time goowan

Nah. PC sucks

Pc isn't officially backwards compatible and is sometimes technically illegal depending

That was me speaking outta my butt.

I'll give it to the 3DS for the eShop alone tbh

DS is arguably the greatest Nintendo console ever made y'all are weird confuseddood;

But 3ds does everything ds does, and then some

Quote from: Big Goop on August 15, 2018, 07:47:39 PMBut 3ds does everything ds does, and then some

and pc does everything 3ds does, and then some

and if you really insist on using backwards compatibility as an argument, then no, the 3ds can't play gba cartridges :|

Quote from: C.Mongler on August 15, 2018, 07:43:50 PMDS is arguably the greatest Nintendo console ever made y'all are weird confuseddood;

srsly

i mean how could anyone think the 3ds is better

Quote from: Magyarorszag on August 15, 2018, 07:51:14 PM

Quote from: Big Goop on August 15, 2018, 07:47:39 PMBut 3ds does everything ds does, and then some

and pc does everything 3ds does, and then some

and if you really insist on using backwards compatibility as an argument, then no, the 3ds can't play gba cartridges :|

Quote from: C.Mongler on August 15, 2018, 07:43:50 PMDS is arguably the greatest Nintendo console ever made y'all are weird confuseddood;

srsly

i mean how could anyone think the 3ds is better

Neither can every ds play gba games.
But gba wouldn't technically be part of the argument, because Nintendo swears ds is a separate line from game boy.

Pc doesn't officially support ds so that doesn't work either

Quote from: C.Mongler on August 15, 2018, 07:43:50 PMDS is arguably the greatest Nintendo console ever made y'all are weird confuseddood;

nd Wii are their most successful consoles

They're also my least favorite (aside from virtual boy for obvious reasons)

Edit: I forgot the Wii U was a thing nm Wii is better than that

Remember, Boyah practically unanimously agreed that the Wii is the best of Nintendo's 3D home consoles. goowan

https://boyah.net/forums2/index.php/topic,69245.msg1554133.html#msg1554133

Quote from: Big Goop on August 15, 2018, 08:09:54 PMNeither can every ds play gba games.
But gba wouldn't technically be part of the argument, because Nintendo swears ds is a separate line from game boy.

Pc doesn't officially support ds so that doesn't work either

...but the ds does officially support gba games regardless of what nintendo calls it befuddlement

the backwards compatibility argument is completely moot anyway because what we're comparing is exclusive console libraries

i love them both. they're both fantastic handhelds. the 3ds is a lot better designed, more comfortable, more aesthetically pleasing, etc. and obviously it has the 3d, which is something the original didn't have whether you like it or not. i suppose it mostly all comes down to their libraries though, sooo...

3ds: better zeldas, kirbys, pokemen
ds: better third party library by far, and of course just a much larger library in general

i guess i would have to say that overall the DS fared better, but damn the 3ds xl is such a nice piece of hardware and the 3ds has some fucking excellent first and second party titles

I'm still sticking with it. It's a good enough reason for me

3ds makes ds exclusives not exclusive anymore :)

Quote from: Samus Aran on August 15, 2018, 08:29:27 PMthe 3ds is a lot better designed, more comfortable, more aesthetically pleasing, etc. and obviously it has the 3d, which is something the original didn't have whether you like it or not. i suppose it mostly all comes down to their libraries though, sooo...

but damn the 3ds xl is such a nice piece of hardware and the 3ds has some fucking excellent first and second party titles

the nu-3ds (xl) especially is almost unarguably a better piece of hardware than any of the ds models are, but yeah again i really only had each platform's exclusive library in mind when making this topic lol

In all srsly -ness though, the new 2ds xl is probably the best designed and feeling hardware for the ds line

Quote from: Magyarorszag on August 15, 2018, 08:26:08 PMRemember, Boyah practically unanimously agreed that the Wii is the best of Nintendo's 3D home consoles. goowan

https://boyah.net/forums2/index.php/topic,69245.msg1554133.html#msg1554133

Quote from: Big Goop on August 15, 2018, 08:09:54 PMNeither can every ds play gba games.
But gba wouldn't technically be part of the argument, because Nintendo swears ds is a separate line from game boy.

Pc doesn't officially support ds so that doesn't work either

...but the ds does officially support gba games regardless of what nintendo calls it befuddlement

the backwards compatibility argument is completely moot anyway because what we're comparing is exclusive console libraries

t see anything in that post that shows that befuddlement

Just that the SNES is unanimously better and that the GC and N64 had better top tier games (90+ Metacritic) than Wii m

Quote from: Big Goop on August 15, 2018, 07:47:39 PMBut 3ds does everything ds does, and then some

i mean if we're going to use that as an argument then the Wii U is then the definitive greatest nintendo console of all time because it has pretty much all generations of backwards compatibility, playing wii u and wii games out of the box, and then adding NES, SNES, N64, GBA, DS through VC, then even more non-Nintendo consoles via Wii VC, and then even moreso if you hack the thing which adds every NES, SNES, GBA, DS game that aren't on VC, Gamecube compatibility, and ups the N64 game count by a few (n64 emulation has always been shit kids!)

obviously we can all see this is a goofy argument, so let's judge systems by the games that came out on them pls lol

Quote from: Samus Aran on August 15, 2018, 08:29:27 PMbut damn the 3ds xl is such a nice piece of hardware

i kind of fucking hate the design of the 3ds XL tbh lol, or the DS XL for that matter. the screen stretch looks fucking bad after a while.
new 3ds normie size and DSi are god tier.

3DS has:
+ far better Zelda games than DS: ALBW, 64 remakes, and even TFH vs PH and ST
+ far better Fire Emblem library than DS: 2 full new games and one remake vs two remakes (one in US)
+ better overall Kirby games: Triple Deluxe, Robobot, and others vs Squeak Squad and Mass Attack, although Super Star Ultra bumps DS's score way up in my eyes despite being an SNES remake
+ marginally better Metroid: 3DS has that Metroid 2 remake, everything else on both 3DS and DS sucks as far as I've heard
+ much better 3D Mario: 3D Land vs Super Mario 64 DS
+ more Mario & Luigi
+ better Animal Crossing
+ stole Monster Hunter from PSP
= Otherwise pretty comparable 3rd party support from the likes of Capcom, Atlus, Level-5, Square Enix, and Sega
= The Pokemon library is hard to compare
= the Mario Kart titles are hard to compare
= Both Yoshi's Island games suck
- New Super Mario Bros 2 was a pretty dull release compared to NSMB, despite being an overall improved game
- Overall fewer great visual novels than DS
- Worse WarioWare

I consider that a win for 3DS. Also, GBA really doesn't stack up to either, but considering its mere 3-year lifespan before being replaced by DS I'm surprised in hindsight by the breadth of quality it managed to get.

at the very least we can all agree that only the truly nostalgia drunk would say the gba's library is better than either ds's lol

Also in terms of the hardware gimmicks it's hard to pick one. DS's touchscreen and dual-screens definitely had a tremendous effect on gameplay while stereoscopic 3D has none at all (and was even dropped by a lot of games and two hardware revisions), but tbh I kinda appreciate the N3DS's incarnation of 3D more. As of the original 3DS though, 3D was just terrible and never worth using.

Of course the DS and 3DS use of dual screens hands-down beats Wii U's and is honestly in a completely different league, but honestly I can't think of many games that wouldn't works as good or better if just designed for one bigger screen.

3DS added an analogue stick which is a much more huge improvement than any of those gimmicks.

if we want to talk about shovelware the GBA was absolutely inundated with half-assed liscenced movie/tv show platforming titles. like literally every fucking property to exist on the boob tube had a shitty GBA game i swear to god

also the DS has three of the finest Castlevania titles to ever grace mankind

also canvas curse is secretly one of the best Kirby games

also the M+L games on 3DS are ass, whereas the DS ones were still actually good

also the DS has the best Mario Kart (DS one is GOAT, comparison is ez) and Tetris games period, the definitive version of Chrono Trigger, the last actually good THPS games,  one of the best GTA games (though it's been ported to hell), Advanced Wars, Meteos (where the fuck is Meteos 2, shit), Elite Beat Agents & Ouendan 1 + 2, the best Pokemons, some good 2d sawnics, etc.

man i'm getting a boner over here

there's also trauma centers, scribblenauts when it wasnt complete shit, picross out the ass, professor laytons, pheonix wrights, TWEWY, Ghost Trick, Hotel Dusk, 999, Contra 4, the billion final fantasy properties, Dairy Quests out the ass, motherfucking ROCKET SLIME, etrian oddysy, the AoE, AoM and CIvilization RTS games, Puzzle Quest, Okamiden, Henry motherfucking Hatsworth, Ninja Gaiden, megaman ZXs, and that's just what i can name off the top of my head


MAN that system was fucking ace y'all shit don't downplay my girl's legacy here. 3ds is good too don't get me wrong, but DS fuckin SLAPS

Quote from: Magyarorszag on August 16, 2018, 07:46:02 AMat the very least we can all agree that only the truly nostalgia drunk would say the gba's library is better than either ds's lol

Idk I'd rather play GBA than the DS.

Better Zeldas, Golden Sun, better Advanced Wars, better Metroids, better kirby, better mario tennis and golf, better fire emblem, better kingdom hearts, wario land 4

DS had better Pokemon (Heartgold/SS especially)and maybe better mario? Idk. Castlevania was about even

Quote from: C.Mongler on August 16, 2018, 08:20:52 AMthere's also trauma centers, scribblenauts when it wasnt complete shit, picross out the ass, professor laytons, pheonix wrights, TWEWY, Ghost Trick, Hotel Dusk, 999, Contra 4, the billion final fantasy properties, Dairy Quests out the ass, motherfucking ROCKET SLIME, etrian oddysy, the AoE, AoM and CIvilization RTS games, Puzzle Quest, Okamiden, Henry motherfucking Hatsworth, Ninja Gaiden, megaman ZXs, and that's just what i can name off the top of my head

collective zzzzzzz

Quote from: YPrrrr on August 16, 2018, 08:25:26 AMbetter Advanced Wars, better Castlevanias, better kirby,

madood;

Quote from: YPrrrr on August 16, 2018, 08:29:02 AM

Quote from: C.Mongler on August 16, 2018, 08:20:52 AMthere's also trauma centers, scribblenauts when it wasnt complete shit, picross out the ass, professor laytons, pheonix wrights, TWEWY, Ghost Trick, Hotel Dusk, 999, Contra 4, the billion final fantasy properties, Dairy Quests out the ass, motherfucking ROCKET SLIME, etrian oddysy, the AoE, AoM and CIvilization RTS games, Puzzle Quest, Okamiden, Henry motherfucking Hatsworth, Ninja Gaiden, megaman ZXs, and that's just what i can name off the top of my head

collective zzzzzzz

didn't you admit in another thread that you had like 6 DS games and 3 of them were nintendogs?
i mean this is a guy who thinks the n64 is good because of metacritic so

The touchscreen certainly affects gameplay a lot, but the only instances I remember playing that felt truly necessary or beneficial in good games were Kirby Canvas Curse, Trauma Center, and some of the Layton puzzles. I guess touch is pretty decent for navigating menus too but that's hardly a stand-out feature. I loathe using touch to move like in the DS Zelda games or Pokemon Dash, and even in most puzzle games like Picross/Tetris/Puyo/etc dpad is much better than touch.

That also reflects my opinion of mobile games: I dislike touch gaming in general and I'll only appreciate it for entirely menu-based games like VNs, and I'll tolerate it when I have to for a few others like rhythm games, FE Heroes, etc. Mobile is a bit worse than touch-only DS controls because of the absence of a precise stylus. Are there any games that actually rely on the Galaxy Note Pen?

Also I don't care much for dual-screen and the only reason I'll ever miss it on Switch is that DS emulation won't play as well if it ever comes. At least it's a good way to handle a clamshell design: people complained about GBA SP being too cramped (it isn't to me but whatever) and look at the GPD XD (https://www.gpdxd.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/GPD-XD-plus-1.jpg) for what happens to the bottom part when you try to make a wider clamshell without dual screens.

The only instance I know of for stereoscopic 3D actually affecting gameplay is in Dai Gyakuten Saiban, an Ace Attorney game that will never be translated. In the last case, there's a security camera set up to take periodic photos of the crime scene (it missed the crime, but captured before and after) and in order to compare them Sherlock introduces the protagonist to a stereoscope: put one photo to each eye and the part of the picture that looks off is the part that changed, which turned out to be a small item being moved just a little bit. Without 3D, the game asks the player to cross their eyes.

Quote from: C.Mongler on August 16, 2018, 08:30:24 AM

Quote from: YPrrrr on August 16, 2018, 08:25:26 AMbetter Advanced Wars, better Castlevanias, better kirby,

madood;

Quote from: YPrrrr on August 16, 2018, 08:29:02 AM

Quote from: C.Mongler on August 16, 2018, 08:20:52 AMthere's also trauma centers, scribblenauts when it wasnt complete shit, picross out the ass, professor laytons, pheonix wrights, TWEWY, Ghost Trick, Hotel Dusk, 999, Contra 4, the billion final fantasy properties, Dairy Quests out the ass, motherfucking ROCKET SLIME, etrian oddysy, the AoE, AoM and CIvilization RTS games, Puzzle Quest, Okamiden, Henry motherfucking Hatsworth, Ninja Gaiden, megaman ZXs, and that's just what i can name off the top of my head

collective zzzzzzz

didn't you admit in another thread that you had like 6 DS games and 3 of them were nintendogs?
i mean this is a guy who thinks the n64 is good because of metacritic so

y used metacritic because Tec did n_u

You shouldnt discount Nintendogs it's probably one of the best DS games. I don't hate the DS but it is my least favorite Nintendo handheld

i'm taking your gamer card bro argh;

That's okay I know I am not a good person because I own too many EA Sports games

Quote from: YPrrrr on August 16, 2018, 08:25:26 AMIdk I'd rather play GBA than the DS.

Better Zeldas, Golden Sun, better Advanced Wars, better Metroids, better kirby, better mario tennis and golf, better fire emblem, better kingdom hearts, wario land 4

I agree most of that, but better Kingdom Hearts, really? Chain of Memories is the most hated title in the entire franchise. I couldn't bear to make it through (albeit on the Re:CoM remake) and just watched all the cutscenes on YouTube.

358/2 Days doesn't have great KH gameplay, but at least it is actual KH gameplay and it has much better story too. Re:Coded has a pretty pointless story but its gameplay is much improved over Days. 3DS's Dream Drop Distance without a doubt is leagues above any of the GBA or DS Kingdom Hearts games in terms of gameplay, but to call its story divisive is an understatement.

rip thps 😢

Quote from: bluaki on August 16, 2018, 08:43:54 AM

Quote from: YPrrrr on August 16, 2018, 08:25:26 AMIdk I'd rather play GBA than the DS.

Better Zeldas, Golden Sun, better Advanced Wars, better Metroids, better kirby, better mario tennis and golf, better fire emblem, better kingdom hearts, wario land 4

I agree most of that, but better Kingdom Hearts, really? Chain of Memories is the most hated title in the entire franchise. I couldn't bear to make it through (albeit on the Re:CoM remake) and just watched all the cutscenes on YouTube.

358/2 Days doesn't have great KH gameplay, but at least it is actual KH gameplay and it has much better story too. Re:Coded has a pretty pointless story but its gameplay is much improved over Days. 3DS's Dream Drop Distance without a doubt is leagues above any of the GBA or DS Kingdom Hearts games in terms of gameplay, but to call its story divisive is an understatement.

I actually loved CoM but I do dislike the remake. The cards do not work well in a 3d space imo. The ability to play through the game again as Riku was awesome. It is annoyingly different from the rest of the games I will admit though. I felt like the story from COM mattered more than that from Days but perhaps that's because we got KH2 as a direct follow up whereas there's been no KH3 to build upon Days. Still liked them both.

notagoofyargument

:)

let's see tho....

ds has remakes of Dragon Quests 4-6
3ds has a remake of 7 and an enhanced port of 8...

but ds also has an original DQ game with 9

but 8 is widely considered the best one....

eh, ds wins on the dq front

i dont even like dairy queen

Quote from: C.Mongler on August 16, 2018, 10:06:00 AMi dont even like dairy queen

this would've worked better if I didn't spell it out first

i always call DQ dairy queen, i meant literally i do not like dragon quest games lol

 madood;
ds has some great SMT games....
3ds has enhanced ports of pretty much all of them, and some originals...

point to 3ds here

i will give 11 a try perhaps it will be my first

i didnt give 8 too much of a chance tbf

i hated 9

and then never got far enough to care in any of the others

Quote from: YPrrrr on August 15, 2018, 08:51:31 PMJust that the SNES is unanimously better and that the GC and N64 had better top tier games (90+ Metacritic) than Wii m

we've had almost this exact conversation several times before

https://boyah.net/forums2/index.php/topic,55854.msg1101574.html#msg1101574

and the conclusion, every single time, has been that the wii has the best exclusive library of any of nintendo's 3d consoles lol

whether the wii is comparable to the snes remains open to debate, but it's clearly superior to the lamecube or the megablunder 64 lol

It completely depends on what games you want to play. I'd say I have a better DS collection but I'd often rather play my 3DS, and my GBA collection is really good as well.
All 3 platforms are p close imo