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• inspector gadget could be simon belmont's alter
• shantæ (IT WAS HER TURN :'() could be bayonetta's alter
• felt could be ashley's alter

Please put inspector gadget in Smash

instead of ice climbers there could be two doodthings attached by floss

I could see shantae being an assist trophy tbh

In all seriousness, I feel like they'll stick to keeping echo fighters within the same franchise.

They've done a cross-franchise clone before with Ganondorf, but that's still treated as a completely separate fighter whereas this game actually treats echoes special.

and here are my random thoughts for some possible echo fighters:
Octoling (Inkling)
Black Shadow or some other F-Zero racer (Captain Falcon)
Shadow or Metal Sonic (Sonic)
Hilda (Zelda)
Impa (Sheik)
Celica from FE Echoes Gaiden (Robin)
Big Boss (Snake)

Octoling, Shadow, and Hilda are all strong possibilities. I see Raiden over Big Boss but either one could happen

Quote from: Hiro on August 14, 2018, 08:25:57 AMOctoling, Shadow, and Hilda are all strong possibilities. I see Raiden over Big Boss but either one could happen

MGS2 Raiden could work, but Rising Revengence really gave Raiden his own drastically different fighting style (which would be imo much more representative of him as a character than a Snake clone) and ultimately I feel like Raiden isn't as important to the whole of Metal Gear as Big Boss. Also MGS2 never was on a Nintendo system, unlike MGS3 3D and all the classic Metal Gear games before Solid. The last MGS game also focuses on "Big Boss" as the main character; he could even be a costume of naked snake.

speaking of costumes I'd like to see Old Snake be a new costume for snake. Brawl predated MGS4, right?

It is kind of odd to me that Shadow has seemingly overtaken metal sonic in popularity.  I always thought metal sonic was a classic character. But I like Shadow better anyway so I guess it's fine.

Quote from: Magyarorszag on August 14, 2018, 01:05:43 AM

• inspector gadget could be simon belmont's alter
• shantæ (IT WAS HER TURN :'() could be bayonetta's alter
• felt could be ashley's alter
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How would shantae work as a bayo clone?

Also, she can't just be an assist trophy...

She.... just can't... :(

Bayo should be an assist trophy

banjo and kazooie alter of duck hunt y/n

also i can't use ampersands with the site's current encryption jesus fucking christ

Quote from: YPrrrr on August 14, 2018, 10:12:20 AMBayo should be an assist trophy

Bayo best character

I wish they had actual alternate character models for Pokemon Trainer. The alternate costumes are references to various Pokemon MCs but It would be so much cooler to actually see those characters.

Quote from: Detective Spatchcock on August 14, 2018, 02:28:51 PMI wish they had actual alternate character models for Pokemon Trainer. The alternate costumes are references to various Pokemon MCs but It would be so much cooler to actually see those characters.

If we see other trainers as an echo fighter I feel like they should have different Pokemon too for the region they're from, but getting a full team that can act like clones of Squirtle/Ivysaur/Charizard is a pretty huge thing to ask for. I think some of the other trainers have at least appeared in Smash Bros as trophies, like the X/Y ones were in Smash 3DS.

also, I just remembered the Pokemon Trainer has gone a long way in terms of their 3D models. These beauties were on the GameCube for Pokemon Colosseum's link battles mode:
(https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/8/8d/Colo_Red.png)(https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/1/17/Colo_Leaf.png)

Quote from: bluaki on August 14, 2018, 08:42:37 AM

Quote from: Hiro on August 14, 2018, 08:25:57 AMOctoling, Shadow, and Hilda are all strong possibilities. I see Raiden over Big Boss but either one could happen

MGS2 Raiden could work, but Rising Revengence really gave Raiden his own drastically different fighting style (which would be imo much more representative of him as a character than a Snake clone)

as much as i would love to see raiden, i don't see it happening at all for the reasons you mention

raiden has never appeared on a nintendo console, and he would deserve to be much more than just a snake alter because his mgs2 form is by far his most boring and least distinct

The final nail in Raiden's coffin: he's already in PSASBR. ugly;

Quote from: bluaki on August 14, 2018, 08:42:37 AMspeaking of costumes I'd like to see Old Snake be a new costume for snake. Brawl predated MGS4, right?

This would be amazing. AWESOME

old snake is probably my favorite (solid) snake

unfortunately i can't see it happening either specifically because mgs4 came (ever so slightly) after brawl and to this day remains ps4-exclusive

• medusa could be palutena's alter

Quote from: C.Mongler on August 14, 2018, 05:40:06 AMinstead of ice climbers there could be two doodthings attached by floss

cuddledoods;

I mean was Cloud ever on a Nintendo console

Yes. Theatrhythm.

Maybe the reason was because ff7 was originally being developed for n64?

No it wasn't lol

At least, not in any kind of recognizable form I should say

Quote from: Hiro on August 18, 2018, 03:57:04 PMNo it wasn't lol

It was, at least as far as planning. That's why there's that tech demo with ff6 characters.

I mean, I exaggerate of course

Quote from: Hiro on August 18, 2018, 03:30:48 PMI mean was Cloud ever on a Nintendo console

true, but square enix still had a very close relationship with nintendo in the 7th gen

the ds and wii probably got at least a dozen se games each, many of which were final fantasy games, and cloud had been the face of that series and company until lightning came along

omg

*ashley (the felt version) voice*

• LIGHTNING COULD BE CLOUD'S ALTER y/n

meanwhile konami has probably never been quite as close to nintendo, and mgs in particular hasn't appeared on a nintendo platform since the gamecube (and even that remake of mgs1 was handled by a third party, not konami directly)

the last nintendo console to get a real metal gear was the gameboy color lol, and even that game has since been retconned to smithereens

cloud's inclusion in smash is still hilariously ironic though, because cloud basically led the exodus of third parties away from nintendo towards the playstation after nintendo stupidly decided they were sticking with cartridges for yet another generation, an event from which nintendo still has not recovered over 20 years later

Quote from: Hiro on August 18, 2018, 03:30:48 PMI mean was Cloud ever on a Nintendo console

Other than Theathrythm, Cloud is also in Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories.

I don't think either of those has anything to do with Cloud getting into Smash Bros. I wouldn't consider "they need to exist in a game on a Nintendo system" to really be a rule anymore for fighter inclusion, though it probably helps their chances a lot. Maybe it's more like the franchise itself needs to have a considerable presence on Nintendo systems but the fighter chosen to represent that franchise can be from a different console.

Also, character design and alt costumes never were bound by as many "rules" as the fighters themselves. Even if you could say Snake made it in Brawl because of Twin Snakes (or the classic Metal Gear games), his default Smash design is based on MGS2, which remains a PlayStation exclusive, and most of his alternate costumes are taken from MGS3. Extending that to giving him MGS4 and maybe MGSV costumes in Ultimate isn't a stretch at all. Regardless what source they draw from, he's getting two more costumes in Ultimate than he had in Brawl.

• isabelle could be villager's alter y/n

She could be

I don't really get her hype as she doesn't really do anything and she's only in one game but whatever!

she cute xiapproves;

I don't get the hype about Waddle Dee at all. Can someone explain that?

Quote from: SloppyJimbo on September 01, 2018, 12:13:04 PMI don't get the hype about Waddle Dee at all. Can someone explain that?

UM he's not just waddle dee HE'S BANDANA DEE and he's a "crucial" character in THE DEEP KIRBY LORE and he DESERVES a slot!!!

I'd rather have Waddle Doo...

Or BRONTO BURT

Quote from: SloppyJimbo on September 01, 2018, 12:13:04 PMI don't get the hype about Waddle Dee at all. Can someone explain that?

Almost all of his popularity seems to be in Japan, not so much elsewhere.

I'm guessing:
* People want more cute characters
* No other Smash fighter wields a spear or lance, making Bandana Dee unique
* Bandana/Waddle Dee is the only missing one of the main 4 kirby characters; Kirby, MK, Dedede, and Waddle Dee were all playable in Kirby Wii and had Amiibo for Robobot

So it's like a minor step up from wanting Goomba.

it's more like wanting toad

• solaire could be wii fit trainer's alter y/n

holy sh@

• shadow could be a bayonetta alter y/n

Quote from: bluaki on September 01, 2018, 12:58:14 PM

Quote from: SloppyJimbo on September 01, 2018, 12:13:04 PMI don't get the hype about Waddle Dee at all. Can someone explain that?

Almost all of his popularity seems to be in Japan, not so much elsewhere.

I'm guessing:
* People want more cute characters
* No other Smash fighter wields a spear or lance, making Bandana Dee unique
* Bandana/Waddle Dee is the only missing one of the main 4 kirby characters; Kirby, MK, Dedede, and Waddle Dee were all playable in Kirby Wii and had Amiibo for Robobot

Corrin kinda has a lance

Quote from: Magyarorszag on September 01, 2018, 11:15:35 AM

• isabelle could be villager's alter y/n

fukken lol

and she actually got a whole character slot all to herself too

which strikes me as a little weird because her moveset is obviously heavily derived from villager's, i'm not sure i saw enough there to justify a whole new slot

but i guess it's okay because she cute xiapproves;

Quote from: Majorana's Incantation on August 14, 2018, 01:05:43 AMshantæ (IT WAS HER TURN (https://boyah.net/forums/Smileys/default/klzjhcjsdfllg.png)) could be bayonetta's alter