I do, how can one deny it? There's pollution everywhere you look, car exgahaust, factories, etc. Not to mention the ever growing need to find an alternative energy source.
It's obvious the earth is heating up, but it's not solely a result of humanity's actions.
Quote from: Lawlz on October 07, 2007, 03:36:31 PM
It's obvious the earth is heating up, but it's not solely a result of humanity's actions.
That's true, but it's hard to deny that we are not contributing to it. I think that rather then spending money on the military we need to try and help the enviorment more.
Quote from: ZGDK on October 07, 2007, 03:38:37 PM
That's true, but it's hard to deny that we are not contributing to it. I think that rather then spending money on the military we need to try and help the enviorment more.
'LIBERATING' ANOTHER NATION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN DOING SOMETHING FOR THE GOOD OF ALL HUMANITY AND EARTH.
Quote from: Lawlz on October 07, 2007, 03:36:31 PM
It's obvious the earth is heating up, but it's not solely a result of humanity's actions.
uh okay so what other sources are accounting for an
unusual amount of climate change
Quote from: Commodore Guff on October 07, 2007, 04:32:00 PM
uh okay so what other sources are accounting for an unusual amount of climate change
um the earth does get warm and cold whenever the hell it feels like it
Quote from: Lawlz on October 07, 2007, 04:37:20 PM
um the earth does get warm and cold whenever the hell it feels like it
typically there's actual reasons
Quote from: Commodore Guff on October 07, 2007, 04:42:10 PM
typically there's actual reasons
Yep.
Impact from a meteor, volcano, solar cycles.
now lets post back and forth about how much we agree spam;
There's nothing to "believe", it IS happening and is happening somewhat naturally but is heavily influenced by our CO2 output since industrializations came about and technology bettered which allowed for a lower deathrate and therefore more people to add to the pollution since humans have no predators and are ignorant of what they are doing.
Stupid people deny it because they choose to be stubborn and afraid of it instead of actually trying to prevent or at least slow the process.
Solution: kill all stupid people.
/thread
It's not so much that I don't believe it as much as there's not enough evidence to force me to 'change my ways'.
I mean, there is evidence countering practically every piece of global warming 'evidence' we have, so who am I to judge what's evidence is the correct one? Personally, I think that it sounds more logical saying that the earth heats and cools in its own processes, and it's more or less not a results of us humans. After all, Ice age? You think the dinosaurs were putting around in giant hummers? doubt it.
Animals were going instinct, water levels were rising and sinking, continents were breaking apart, and the world was shifting long before we were around. I honestly don't think this one's our fault.
FYI, my opinion is that anyone who believes anything that comes out of Al Gone's mouth or anyone that says global warming is a 'hoax' is a moron.
Quote from: Skankity-Slut-Slut on October 09, 2007, 06:42:06 PM
It's not so much that I don't believe it as much as there's not enough evidence to force me to 'change my ways'.
I mean, there is evidence countering practically every piece of global warming 'evidence' we have, so who am I to judge what's evidence is the correct one? Personally, I think that it sounds more logical saying that the earth heats and cools in its own processes, and it's more or less not a results of us humans. After all, Ice age? You think the dinosaurs were putting around in giant hummers? doubt it.
Animals were going instinct, water levels were rising and sinking, continents were breaking apart, and the world was shifting long before we were around. I honestly don't think this one's our fault.
FYI, my opinion is that anyone who believes anything that comes out of Al Gone's mouth or anyone that says global warming is a 'hoax' is a moron.
Those ice ages took millions of years to come about.
Quote from: Nyerp on October 09, 2007, 06:44:45 PM
Those ice ages took millions of years to come about.
Your point?
*And no, I don't believe they did.
Quote from: Skankity-Slut-Slut on October 09, 2007, 06:45:50 PM
Your point?
*And no, I don't believe they did.
My point is obvious; we're speeding it up.
Quote from: Nyerp on October 09, 2007, 06:47:53 PM
My point is obvious; we're speeding it up.
First off, give me proof that the ice age(s) took "millions" of years to come about, which I have a hard time believing.
Second, who says that these natural changes are regulated by a time clock? The world's natural phenomena (as in volcano explosions) are generally not timed events.
Quote from: Skankity-Slut-Slut on October 09, 2007, 06:42:06 PM
I mean, there is evidence countering practically every piece of global warming 'evidence' we have...
Such as...?
Quote from: Skankity-Slut-Slut on October 09, 2007, 06:42:06 PM
You think the dinosaurs were putting around in giant hummers? doubt it.
leave the strawman alone :|
not many people who aren't blabbering idiots will contend that the earth doesn't get pissy sometimes and cause climate change on its own
the difference now is the correlation between rising temperature levels and vastly increased production of the so-called greenhouse gases, which can hardly be dismissed as a mere coincidence, barring any revelations of sources of natural climate change
Quote from: Skankity-Slut-Slut on October 09, 2007, 06:42:06 PM
Animals were going instinct, water levels were rising and sinking, continents were breaking apart, and the world was shifting long before we were around. I honestly don't think this one's our fault.
there's a difference between doing things and doing things out of cycle
Cool. There's massive genocide in Africa yet people are more worried about something that might, if it exists at all, cause problems hundreds or thousands of years down the road. This world's priorities are so fucked up.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on October 10, 2007, 02:46:39 PM
Cool. There's massive genocide in Africa yet people are more worried about something that might, if it exists at all, cause problems hundreds or thousands of years down the road. This world's priorities are so fucked up.
i can't do anything about that
Quote from: Nyerp on October 10, 2007, 03:30:00 PM
i can't do anything about that
That's what everyone says :|
I mean sure, it's hard for an individual to do anything, but when a government that's supposed to be of the people for the people refuses to take action and prefers to think about weather implications, it seems sick.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on October 10, 2007, 03:33:32 PM
That's what everyone says :|
I mean sure, it's hard for an individual to do anything, but when a government that's supposed to be of the people for the people refuses to take action and prefers to think about weather implications, it seems sick.
welcome to america
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on October 10, 2007, 02:46:39 PM
Cool. There's massive genocide in Africa yet people are more worried about something that might, if it exists at all, cause problems hundreds or thousands of years down the road. This world's priorities are so fucked up.
cool
Global warming is a problem for the entire earth. If everyone in Africa dies, tough shit. The Americas, Europe, Asia, Australia, and Antarctica get along fine without the AIDS and constant worries about some war breaking out or whatever. If the earth heats up by an average of 20 degrees, that's a problem for everyone and will be an even worse problem.
in short kill yourself
Quote from: Lawlz on October 10, 2007, 04:06:32 PM
cool
Global warming is a problem for the entire earth. If everyone in Africa dies, tough shit. The Americas, Europe, Asia, Australia, and Antarctica get along fine without the AIDS and constant worries about some war breaking out or whatever. If the earth heats up by an average of 20 degrees, that's a problem for everyone and will be an even worse problem.
in short kill yourself
So... you're saying people such as yourself are more valuable than Africans? Nice. Also... you'd be wrong about that anyways.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on October 10, 2007, 02:46:39 PM
Cool. There's massive genocide in Africa yet people are more worried about something that might, if it exists at all, cause problems hundreds or thousands of years down the road. This world's priorities are so fucked up.
entire world > africa
suck it
Africans are spreading AIDS on purpose, fuck them. They have the tribe leader (who has AIDS) teach the young females how to have sex. You know what that means. Retards.
But who says it's our duty to modernize them? They have governments.
Did you guys forget how the Europeans basically fucked up Africa? psyduck;
Just like with the Middle East, they set up horrible political boundries that have caused an endless stream of violence. So while you're saying how retarded Africans are, whites helped contribute to their downfall as well.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on October 10, 2007, 06:43:46 PM
Did you guys forget how the Europeans basically fucked up Africa? psyduck;
Just like with the Middle East, they set up horrible political boundries that have caused an endless stream of violence. So while you're saying how retarded Africans are, whites helped contribute to their downfall as well.
uhh not my problem?
When did race come into this. psyduck;
Quote from: Nyerp on October 10, 2007, 06:45:19 PM
uhh not my problem?
When did race come into this. psyduck;
Look at Lawlz's and Andrew's posts edumacate;
oh, and "Africans are spreading AIDs on purpose, fuck them"
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on October 10, 2007, 06:50:50 PM
Look at Lawlz's and Andrew's posts edumacate;
oh, and "Africans are spreading AIDs on purpose, fuck them"
African is a term to describe something of African origin not a race. psyduck;
Quote from: Nyerp on October 10, 2007, 06:54:20 PM
African is a term to describe something of African origin not a race. psyduck;
Sweet. But you said Africans, not African psyduck;
Also, I was merely pointing out how Africans shouldn't be considered inferior because of their current mistakes, and that it is not wholly their fault. edumacate;
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on October 10, 2007, 04:45:42 PM
So... you're saying people such as yourself are more valuable than Africans? Nice. Also... you'd be wrong about that anyways.
If global warming destroys, the world, then the Africans still die, don't they?
Quote from: JMV290 on October 10, 2007, 07:16:22 PM
If global warming destroys the world, then the Africans still die, don't they?
Yes... but once again... that's far into the future, so we should have time to focus our efforts on the genocide in the world first.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on October 10, 2007, 07:19:23 PM
Yes... but once again... that's far into the future, so we should have time to focus our efforts on the genocide in the world first.
I think America should try to better itself before it tries to fuck around in other places again.
but those other countries
go ahead dance;
Quote from: Nyerp on October 10, 2007, 07:22:11 PM
I think America should try to better itself before it tries to fuck around in other places again.
but those other countries go ahead dance;
Good point. We tend to fuck things up more than help them lately
yep, we are all fucked up
:|
repeat so this can sink into YPR's feeble mind
ENTIRE WORLD > AFRICA
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on October 10, 2007, 07:19:23 PM
Yes... but once again... that's far into the future, so we should have time to focus our efforts on the genocide in the world first.
considering that global warming will most likely wip out the entire human race
i think its a tad bit more important
yeah lets sleep on it like weve been doin for the last several years
Quote from: Andrew1911 on October 10, 2007, 08:54:54 PM
repeat so this can sink into YPR's feeble mind
ENTIRE WORLD > AFRICA
Africa>Mexico
Quote from: Andrew1911 on October 10, 2007, 08:55:56 PM
considering that global warming will most likely wip out the entire human race
i think its a tad bit more important
yeah lets sleep on it like weve been doin for the last several years
Yeah, well the sun will eventually burn out, so why don't we prepare for that too while we're at it? psyduck;
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on October 10, 2007, 08:57:11 PM
Yeah, well the sun will eventually burn out, so why don't we prepare for that too while we're at it? psyduck;
By then, humanity will be extinct or have migrated to other solar systems and possibly galaxies. psyduck;
global warming is a problem right now
Quote from: Lawlz on October 10, 2007, 09:41:43 PM
By then, humanity will be extinct or have migrated to other solar systems and possibly galaxies. psyduck;
global warming is a problem right now
This instant now, or this epoch now? psyduck;
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on October 10, 2007, 09:44:53 PM
This instant now, or this epoch now? psyduck;
Within the next century, using some estimates, within a few decades using others.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on October 10, 2007, 02:46:39 PM
Cool. There's massive genocide in Africa yet people are more worried about something that might, if it exists at all, cause problems hundreds or thousands of years down the road. This world's priorities are so fucked up.
Uh, just because you're fucking retarded and can't care about more than one thing at a time doesn't mean proponents of this theory do likewise. psyduck;
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on October 10, 2007, 08:57:11 PM
Yeah, well the sun will eventually burn out, so why don't we prepare for that too while we're at it? psyduck;
by most estimates, we'll see devastating effects from global warming within fifty years
sun exploding etc. is closer to five billion years
also, humans am not causing sun to explode and can't do much about that
God damnit, who gives a shit? Humanity as we know it will be wiped out by the time the next Ice Age comes. Hopefully the human race will survive somewhat but it doesn't really matter.
Quote from: Jet Black Wii on October 11, 2007, 02:15:30 PM
God damnit, who gives a shit? Humanity as we know it will be wiped out by the time the next Ice Age comes. Hopefully the human race will survive somewhat but it doesn't really matter.
Why not kill yourself now?
Also, global warming affects more than just humans.
Yes, but we're all stupid if we think we can stop it.
Quote from: JMV290 on October 10, 2007, 10:08:54 PM
Within the next century, using some estimates, within a few decades using others.
And not in the near distance at all, according to others.
Can't just leave that out, JMV.
Quote from: samsam on October 23, 2007, 05:13:48 PM
And not in the near distance at all, according to others.
Can't just leave that out, JMV.
lol ask YPR about how I feel about Christian sources. caterpie;
Quote from: JMV290 on October 23, 2007, 05:25:22 PM
lol ask YPR about how I feel about Christian sources. caterpie;
He doesn't hold them credible unless they're midieval monks pseudo;
Quote from: JMV290 on October 23, 2007, 05:25:22 PM
lol ask YPR about how I feel about Christian sources. caterpie;
..Who says I'm talking about christian sources?
BTW- I'm fucking pissed that Al Gore got a Nobel Peace Prize, I think we all know by now that he's a hypocrite, no matter how you look at it.
He seems to think it's okay to own mansions across the world as long as he pays off his debt in cash. Of course, no sacrafice on his part, other than part of the excess cash that he got from his "An Inconvenient Half-Truth", meanwhile he expects those of us who can't afford to pay to cover ourselves up to just sacrafice things all together. So, that's about 99% of the world, I'd say.
He should sacrafice like the rest of us if he cares that much, and then maybe he can put his extra money into cleaning up after the jerk-wads who wont (i.e.- me) sacrafice their stuff for something they won't believe in.
So can someone list off the most drastic foreseeable effects of Global Warming for me, just so I'm clear?
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on October 23, 2007, 05:40:55 PM
Quick question relating to global warming...
When ice melts in a glass of water, does the water rise?
I know what you're getting at.
The water level in the cup would remain the same, because although the ice cube displaces a certain amount of water, causing the water level to rise, the water from the melting ice no longer displaces the water in the cup, but it does add water to the cup. It's the total weight of the ice cube that causes the water level to rise, and the melted ice and the solid ice have the same mass, so the water level stays the same.
But you're not thinking about the ice caps properly. You're thinking about icebergs melting, which wouldn't change the amount of water in the ocean. But not all of the ice is already in the water. The ice in the antarctic, for example, is on land, on the continent of Antarctica, so it's not displacing any water, but once it melts it goes into the ocean THEN the water levels rise.
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on October 23, 2007, 05:50:53 PM
So can someone list off the most drastic foreseeable effects of Global Warming for me, just so I'm clear?
There are a few possibilities
1)Runaway greenhouse effect, resulting in something similar to Venus.
2)Currents being screwed up resulting in another ice age.
3)Crazy ass hurricanes and other odd weather patterns
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on October 23, 2007, 05:50:53 PM
So can someone list off the most drastic foreseeable effects of Global Warming for me, just so I'm clear?
Well some current problems linked to global warming are glaciers melting at an accelerated rate, (possible) extinction of polar bears in their natural habitat, drastic changes in weather (exorbitant amount of droughts or floods, severity of hurricanes, other crazy shit), increase in average global temperature (
!!), etc. Stuff that will only become progressively worse.
Quote from: JMV290 on October 23, 2007, 05:58:10 PM
I know what you're getting at.
The water level in the cup would remain the same, because although the ice cube displaces a certain amount of water, causing the water level to rise, the water from the melting ice no longer displaces the water in the cup, but it does add water to the cup. It's the total weight of the ice cube that causes the water level to rise, and the melted ice and the solid ice have the same mass, so the water level stays the same.
But you're not thinking about the ice caps properly. You're thinking about icebergs melting, which wouldn't change the amount of water in the ocean. But not all of the ice is already in the water. The ice in the antarctic, for example, is on land, on the continent of Antarctica, so it's not displacing any water, but once it melts it goes into the ocean THEN the water levels rise.
Yeah, I deleted it because I found your answer on google
I've been thinking on how to just solve the sea level problem... one step at a time you know, and also because im bored - The only solution I've got so far: build giant silos along the coast to contain the water, and water pumps to account for evaporation... there's gotta be something wrong with this plan though
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on October 23, 2007, 06:03:55 PM
Yeah, I deleted it because I found your answer on google
I've been thinking on how to just solve the sea level problem... one step at a time you know, and also because im bored - The only solution I've got so far: build giant silos along the coast to contain the water, and water pumps to account for evaporation... there's gotta be something wrong with this plan though
That that's a shitload to build and the manufacturing process would only contribute to global warming? caterpie;
Quote from: Lawlz on October 23, 2007, 06:05:10 PM
That that's a shitload to build and the manufacturing process would only contribute to global warming? caterpie;
Yes, but it would solve the water problem caterpie;
Another idea: Enslave Al Gore to figure it out, and scrap his jets and mansions for parts pseudo;
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on October 23, 2007, 06:03:55 PM
Yeah, I deleted it because I found your answer on google
I've been thinking on how to just solve the sea level problem... one step at a time you know, and also because im bored - The only solution I've got so far: build giant silos along the coast to contain the water, and water pumps to account for evaporation... there's gotta be something wrong with this plan though
Because removing water from the water cycle wouldn't have any serious consequences?
Quote from: samsam on October 23, 2007, 05:36:17 PM
BTW- I'm fucking pissed that Al Gore got a Nobel Peace Prize, I think we all know by now that he's a hypocrite, no matter how you look at it.
A lot of people are fucking pissed. I myself am fucking pissed that you're fucking pissed over fucking piss fuck piss fucking.
what does al gore have to do with the truth concerning global warming, anyways psyduck;
if a convicted murderer tells me that murder is wrong would his statement be invalid and would i be fucking pissed
Quote from: samsam on October 23, 2007, 05:36:17 PM
He seems to think it's okay to own mansions across the world as long as he pays off his debt in cash.
Maybe he does, but last I checked he's only got a condo in San Fransisco, a mansion in Nashville, and a farm in Carthage, Tennessee.
though i suppose your world might be that small
dunno
Quote from: samsam on October 23, 2007, 05:36:17 PM
Of course, no sacrafice on his part...
other than purchasing green energy (the amount he purchased has been claimed to be equivalent to the impact of recycling, say, 2.5 million aluminum cans), which brought his electric bills up 50%
oh and he likes carbon offsetting
Quote from: samsam on October 23, 2007, 05:36:17 PM
other than part of the excess cash that he got from his "An Inconvenient Half-Truth"
how much did he get from that
Quote from: samsam on October 23, 2007, 05:36:17 PM
...meanwhile he expects those of us who can't afford to pay to cover ourselves up to just sacrafice things all together. So, that's about 99% of the world, I'd say.
when has he urged the poor to do such things? psyduck;
i don't remember that part in the movie (though, to be fair, i haven't seen it. sounds boring. this brings up another point: have you seen it?
i think i should close my parentheses now)
Quote from: samsam on October 23, 2007, 05:36:17 PM
He should sacrafice like the rest of us if he cares that much
you just said most of the rest of the world can't afford to, which implies they won't "sacrafice" (god damn there's only one 'a') at all, which seems to put him in the same situation in which you currently perceive him to be
Quote from: samsam on October 23, 2007, 05:36:17 PM
...sacrafice their stuff for something they won't believe in.
just because it's inconvenient doesn't mean it's not true
lol
ps- the conservative think tank that initially made the claims of his rampant energy said he used 221,000 kwh in 2006; they claimed to have received that number from Nashville Electric Service
subsequent investigations by the AP revealed that 191,000 kwh were used (30,000 less), and that NEC never gave aforementioned think tank those numbers
pps- he has installed solar panels on his nashville mansion
previously, zoning rules prevented the installation of solar panels, and even now, they must not be visible from the street or surrounding property, which kind of makes it a tad more difficult
ppps- you're fucking retarded psyduck;
oh and most of the claims made in this post can be found here (http://mediamatters.org/items/200703010008) along with other information that you should probably know
Quote from: Commodore Guff on October 31, 2007, 12:57:54 PM
Green energy blah blah green energy
Yes, I'm completely aware of what green energy is, and you totally missed my point in everything I said. Al Gore has money. Al Gore can afford to burn as much shit as he wants as long as he covers it up with this cash.
I do not have money. Therefore, I'm not allowed to burn any shit? How's that fair?
Quote from: Commodore Guff on October 31, 2007, 12:57:54 PMthis brings up another point: have you seen it?
Yes, three times. In school. Not so much boring as it is complete bullshit.
Quote from: Commodore Guff on October 31, 2007, 12:57:54 PM
ps- the conservative think tank that initially made the claims of his rampant energy said he used 221,000 kwh in 2006; they claimed to have received that number from Nashville Electric Service
subsequent investigations by the AP revealed that 191,000 kwh were used (30,000 less), and that NEC never gave aforementioned think tank those numbers
I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove with this, but okay.
Quote from: Commodore Guff on October 31, 2007, 12:57:54 PM
pps- he has installed solar panels on his nashville mansion
previously, zoning rules prevented the installation of solar panels, and even now, they must not be visible from the street or surrounding property, which kind of makes it a tad more difficult
I think that's great he can afford to do that. I think if he'll give me the money to pay for them solar panels, I'll happily find a way to have them installed in my home. Until then, he shouldn't be preaching for people like me to 'conserve enegy'.
And to finish this off, Bassir, I just wanted to point out that you were very defensive just now over a man who has nothing "to do with the truth concerning global warming, anyways". And I should have stopped reading after I realized you hadn't seen the movie, but I didn't, so oh well. Personally, I don't care whether or not global warming exists. I choose to believe the evidence taht it doesn't over the evidence that it does, and if having that opinion makes me retarder, ah well.
Quote from: samsam on October 31, 2007, 01:21:41 PM
Yes, I'm completely aware of what green energy is, and you totally missed my point in everything I said. Al Gore has money. Al Gore can afford to burn as much shit as he wants as long as he covers it up with this cash.
Cool. So now that you acknowledge that he isn't personally eating the rainforest, how is he being hypocritical, again? psyduck;
Quote from: samsam on October 31, 2007, 01:21:41 PM
I do not have money. Therefore, I'm not allowed to burn any shit? How's that fair?
Sounds like a personal problem. Most people have money.
Quote from: samsam on October 31, 2007, 01:21:41 PM
Yes, three times. In school. Not so much boring as it is complete bullshit.
therefore global warming is wrong
how's it bullshit
Quote from: samsam on October 31, 2007, 01:21:41 PM
I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove with this, but okay.
people tend to prefer to viciously maim the messenger rather than refute the message
Quote from: samsam on October 31, 2007, 01:21:41 PM
I think that's great he can afford to do that. I think if he'll give me the money to pay for them solar panels, I'll happily find a way to have them installed in my home. Until then, he shouldn't be preaching for people like me to 'conserve enegy'.
Has he asked you, or any of the other poor folk, to install solar panels? psyduck;
energy-efficient light bulbs are a small step in the right direction, and not that expensive
turning off the fan, tv, etc. while not in the room can help, too
energy-efficient appliances and cars with decent gas mileage can be affordable, too
Quote from: samsam on October 31, 2007, 01:21:41 PM
Bassir
i think you took a wrong turn on not paying much attention lane psyduck;
Quote from: samsam on October 31, 2007, 01:21:41 PM
I just wanted to point out that you were very defensive just now over a man who has nothing "to do with the truth concerning global warming, anyways".
yeah, i really should stop trying to prevent the spread of baseless claims meant to impugn the character of someone many perceive to be at the head of the green movement
Whether or not Al Gore punches trees and shits into the ocean has no bearing on the truth behind global warming etc.
Quote from: samsam on October 31, 2007, 01:21:41 PM
And I should have stopped reading after I realized you hadn't seen the movie, but I didn't, so oh well.
How is that relevant?
Why would I want to watch something that seems so boring?
Quote from: samsam on October 31, 2007, 01:21:41 PM
Personally, I don't care whether or not global warming exists.
I don't give a shit as to whether or not lions exist, but I could still get eaten by one.
Quote from: samsam on October 31, 2007, 01:21:41 PM
I choose to believe the evidence taht it doesn't over the evidence that it does, and if having that opinion makes me retarder, ah well.
I'm pretty sure you're already doing a great job of being retarder.
We need to go to ethanol or hydrogen
I don't believe in it and so what if it is true. It was all worth it in the end.
Quote from: Unwelc0med on November 20, 2007, 03:11:40 PM
die, or add something to the discussion psyduck;
Quote from: Cakes on November 20, 2007, 03:26:45 PM
I don't believe in it and so what if it is true. It was all worth it in the end.
i died in a car crash after i sped through a red light but hey at least i always got to my destinations on time so i guess it all works out in the end
Global warming is the United States Gov't biggest excuse to put the largest tax on fossil fuels ever. The book by Al Gore is total bull shit. He's a politician not a fuckin' scientist. The Earth goes through a climate change constantly. If the climate was exactly the same year after year, it would be the exact same fuckin' weather. So think about it. The Gov't is trying to blame it on excess pollution to put these "Gas Taxes" on these large Trucks and SUVs that burn more gas than anything else. It's just a bunch of B.S. This is also why we need to get off Fossil Fuels and move to either nuclear energy to power our power plants and cellulosic ethanol to run our cars. The cellulosic ethanol is made from the glucose (sugar/energy) molecules of the plants that it is found in. Such as fast growing prairie grasses. Corn ethanol is not the way to go. It would only be a temporary solution, not the answer to a long term problem.
Quote from: Squirtlejazz on December 22, 2007, 09:01:09 AM
He's a politician not a fuckin' scientist.
okay so hows about you counter the claims of actual scientists then
Quote from: Squirtlejazz on December 22, 2007, 09:01:09 AM
The Earth goes through a climate change constantly.
oh wow you've sure got something here never heard this one before
does this mean that adding more gasses into the atmosphere that trap heat and whatnot has no effect whatsoever
Quote from: Commodore Guff on December 22, 2007, 10:47:01 AM
okay so hows about you counter the claims of actual scientists thenoh wow you've sure got something here never heard this one before
does this mean that adding more gasses into the atmosphere that trap heat and whatnot has no effect whatsoever
Firstly I mas merely just saying that people shouldn't treat this book like the bible. Hes a politician not a scientist.
Secondly, did I ever say in there anywhere about the gases that trap heat not affecting that anywhere in there? No, I didn't I wasn't addressing that issue. I merely stated that there has and continues to be gradual climate change on this planet. Whether it has been expedited due to the fact of these infamous "greenhouse gases" I do not know. I still do not see the correlation between said gases and the climate change of the earth.
Quote from: Squirtlejazz on December 22, 2007, 12:52:42 PM
Firstly I mas merely just saying that people shouldn't treat this book like the bible. Hes a politician not a scientist.
Secondly, did I ever say in there anywhere about the gases that trap heat not affecting that anywhere in there? No, I didn't I wasn't addressing that issue. I merely stated that there has and continues to be gradual climate change on this planet. Whether it has been expedited due to the fact of these infamous "greenhouse gases" I do not know. I still do not see the correlation between said gases and the climate change of the earth.
polar ice caps melting, fact i'm wearing a t-shirt in the middle of winter and still sweating my ass off, extreme weather that's even more extreme than just a while back, etc
yes the earth undergoes climate changes and that's undeniable it's also undeniable there is something making the effects of these climate changes more intense and speeding up the process
Quote from: Squirtlejazz on December 22, 2007, 12:52:42 PM
Firstly I mas merely just saying that people shouldn't treat this book like the bible. Hes a politician not a scientist.
i think most people have only seen the movie anyways and the validity of his claims has no bearing on the truth
Quote from: Squirtlejazz on December 22, 2007, 12:52:42 PM
Secondly, did I ever say in there anywhere about the gases that trap heat not affecting that anywhere in there?
i was going to answer this question but then you did
Quote from: Squirtlejazz on December 22, 2007, 12:52:42 PM
No, I didn't I wasn't addressing that issue. I merely stated that there has and continues to be gradual climate change on this planet.
which you used as justification for your belief
said justification is faulty what with the data showing that the gradual fluctuations don't seem to account for more recent changes in the climate, which correlates with the rise in greenhouse gas emissions
Quote from: Squirtlejazz on December 22, 2007, 12:52:42 PM
Whether it has been expedited due to the fact of these infamous "greenhouse gases" I do not know.
why did you put quotes around greenhouse gases
Quote from: Squirtlejazz on December 22, 2007, 12:52:42 PM
I still do not see the correlation between said gases and the climate change of the earth.
oh that's strange
how many fingers am i holding up
Quote from: Commodore Guff on December 22, 2007, 03:41:35 PM
i think most people have only seen the movie anyways and the validity of his claims has no bearing on the truth
So if my point is valid it isn't true? How much sense does that make?
Quote from: Commodore Guff on December 22, 2007, 03:41:35 PM
said justification is faulty what with the data showing that the gradual fluctuations don't seem to account for more recent changes in the climate, which correlates with the rise in greenhouse gas emissions
Over 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries recently voiced significant objections to major aspects of the so-called ?consensus? on man-made global warming. These scientists, many of whom are current and former participants in the UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), criticized the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore. http://www.okieonthelam.com/?p=2025 Educate.
Now you give me some proof.
Quote from: Commodore Guff on December 22, 2007, 03:41:35 PMwhy did you put quotes around greenhouse gases
I love how you're commenting on my grammatical errors.
Quote from: Commodore Guff on December 22, 2007, 03:41:35 PMhow many fingers am i holding up
Idk we're on the interwebs bro.
Quote from: Lawlz on December 22, 2007, 02:55:43 PM
polar ice caps melting, fact i'm wearing a t-shirt in the middle of winter and still sweating my ass off, extreme weather that's even more extreme than just a while back, etc
yes the earth undergoes climate changes and that's undeniable it's also undeniable there is something making the effects of these climate changes more intense and speeding up the process
Can I have some facts for this?
I'm not talking about "Liekz teh Polar Ice Capz are melting" or some BS like that. I'd like to see some actual scientific data that will convince me beyond a reasonable doubt that humans and specifically CO
2 Emissions are causing this climate change to occur faster.
Secondly, who sets the rate of a climate change? These people that are saying this weren't around 1000+ years ago when the climate was still changing (neither was I), but I'd like to be proven to that it is us. Not that it is really a legitimate climate change.
Quote from: Squirtlejazz on December 22, 2007, 07:31:36 PM
I'm not talking about "Liekz teh Polar Ice Capz are melting" or some BS like that
so polar bears regularly become extinct and regenerate millennia later
Also, all those toxic emissions from vehicles, factories, etc don't just turn to happy jolly gas once they skip and hop to the outer brims of the atmosphere.
Quote from: Lawlz on December 22, 2007, 07:40:25 PM
so polar bears regularly become extinct and regenerate millennia later
Also, all those toxic emissions from vehicles, factories, etc don't just turn to happy jolly gas once they skip and hop to the outer brims of the atmosphere.
What happens to them? =]
Quote from: Squirtlejazz on December 22, 2007, 07:24:43 PM
So if my point is valid it isn't true? How much sense does that make?
psyduck;
whether or not al gore is a stupid, hypocritical, and boring cock has no bearing whatsoever on the truth regarding anthropogenic global warming
Quote from: Squirtlejazz on December 22, 2007, 07:24:43 PM
Over 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries recently voiced significant objections to major aspects of the so-called ?consensus? on man-made global warming. These scientists, many of whom are current and former participants in the UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), criticized the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore.
please don't plagiarize :/\
how many prominent scientists are there
why only two dozen plus countries aren't there like more than sixteen dozen recognized by the un
regardless, whether or not there's a consensus only affects the claims of some of the messengers (al gore et al.), not the message
Quote from: Squirtlejazz on December 22, 2007, 07:24:43 PM
Now you give me some proof.
read the damn ipcc fourth assessment report
or at least this summary-ish thing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPCC_Fourth_Assessment_Report#Observations)
Quote from: Squirtlejazz on December 22, 2007, 07:24:43 PM
I love how you're commenting on my grammatical errors.
i find it intolerable myself
wait what
for one, that wasn't a grammatical error that i'm aware of and secondly i was actually asking why you did that because you might have done that to indicate some doubt that 'greenhouse gases' do what people say they do
Quote from: Squirtlejazz on December 22, 2007, 07:24:43 PM
Idk we're on the interwebs bro.
oh i thought you were just blind
Quote from: Commodore Guff on December 23, 2007, 10:20:55 AM
psyduck;
whether or not al gore is a stupid, hypocritical, and boring cock has no bearing whatsoever on the truth regarding anthropogenic global warming
Alright.
Quote from: Commodore Guff on December 23, 2007, 10:20:55 AMplease don't plagiarize :/\
how many prominent scientists are there
why only two dozen plus countries aren't there like more than sixteen dozen recognized by the un
regardless, whether or not there's a consensus only affects the claims of some of the messengers (al gore et al.), not the message
I copied from the page to give you a glimpse bro. I should have put quotes around it, but it was cited. Whatever bro.
Quote from: Commodore Guff on December 23, 2007, 10:20:55 AMread the damn ipcc fourth assessment report
or at least this summary-ish thing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPCC_Fourth_Assessment_Report#Observations)
A very interesting wall of text that I don't have time to read. Whatever dude, you win I don't have enough time to go digging up articles and arguing about it. It is apparent neither of us will change our opinions and there is no point in arguing over it. There are some valid points to global warming, but there are gaping holes in the thoery. I'm our for Christmas guys. Peace.
Quote from: Squirtlejazz on December 23, 2007, 06:08:56 PM
A very interesting wall of text that I don't have time to read. Whatever dude, you win I don't have enough time to go digging up articles and arguing about it. It is apparent neither of us will change our opinions and there is no point in arguing over it. There are some valid points to global warming, but there are gaping holes in the thoery. I'm our for Christmas guys. Peace.
If that's what you consider a wall of text, then you should probably redo a few grades.
Quote from: Doc at the Radar Station on December 23, 2007, 08:35:42 PM
If that's what you consider a wall of text, then you should probably redo a few grades.
Whatever bro. I should have just said I'm too lazy to read that. As for going back a few grades I disagree. Thanks.
Quote from: Doc at the Radar Station on December 23, 2007, 08:35:42 PM
If that's what you consider a wall of text, then you should probably redo a few grades.
Considering how many "you're retarded" responses we get, it's a relative wall.
Quote from: Doc at the Radar Station on December 23, 2007, 08:35:42 PM
If that's what you consider a wall of text, then you should probably redo a few grades.
whatever bro
Quote from: KT on December 24, 2007, 10:13:37 AM
Considering how many "you're retarded" responses we get, it's a relative wall.
dude chill
Quote from: Squirtlejazz on December 23, 2007, 06:08:56 PM
A very interesting wall of text that I don't have time to read. Whatever dude, you win I don't have enough time to go digging up articles and arguing about it. It is apparent neither of us will change our opinions and there is no point in arguing over it. There are some valid points to global warming, but there are gaping holes in the thoery. I'm our for Christmas guys. Peace.
whatever bro
Quote from: Squirtlejazz on December 22, 2007, 07:24:43 PM
Over 400 prominent scientists
just thought i'd say these guys were just economists (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/12/24/dont-believe-inhofes-hype/) and not really scientists
Quote from: Doc at the Radar Station on December 23, 2007, 08:35:42 PM
If that's what you consider a wall of text, then you should probably redo a few grades.
He was talking about the wikipedia article. befuddlement
Quote from: UnagiPower on December 25, 2007, 03:14:04 PM
He was talking about the wikipedia article. befuddlement
If that's what you consider a wall of text, then you should probably redo a few grades.
Quote from: Commodore Guff on December 25, 2007, 03:46:04 PM
If that's what you consider a wall of text, then you should probably redo a few grades.
whatever bro
Quote from: Lawlz on December 25, 2007, 12:25:34 PM
just thought i'd say these guys were just economists (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/12/24/dont-believe-inhofes-hype/) and not really scientists
they are economic scientists dur u fag