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Quote from: Big Goop on October 16, 2018, 01:20:01 PMThey feel cheaper than a fisher price toy and have a terrible feedback when pressed.
this is a hilarious argument in the context of the joycons tbh
also again YPR, i need an example of a game that requires heavy use of the 1 and 2 button in the heat of action because i cant think of one doodhuh; yes it's not a comfortable maneuver but you can do it by strengthening your grip on the back of the wiimote and moving your thumb backwards, hence why it's fine for secondary actions
but im also arguing with a guy who thinks the wii has like 2 actual games and then 1000 variations of imagine babies so i dont know what this thread hopes to accomplish lol
also re:thread
all video game controllers are glorified remote controls what the hell
Quote from: C.Mongler on October 16, 2018, 01:28:19 PMalso again YPR, i need an example of a game that requires heavy use of the 1 and 2 button in the heat of action because i cant think of one doodhuh; yes it's not a comfortable maneuver but you can do it by strengthening your grip on the back of the wiimote and moving your thumb backwards, hence why it's fine for secondary actions
but im also arguing with a guy who thinks the wii has like 2 actual games and then 1000 variations of imagine babies so i dont know what this thread hopes to accomplish lol
ts games
That's bad design and why it's in the N64 tier of controllers
I mean yeah pretty much. SSBB, Mario Galaxy 1 & 2... that's about it.
Quote from: C.Mongler on October 16, 2018, 01:24:51 PMQuote from: Big Goop on October 16, 2018, 01:20:01 PMThey feel cheaper than a fisher price toy and have a terrible feedback when pressed.
this is a hilarious argument in the context of the joycons tbh
Nunchuk is cheapest feeling device Nintendo has ever produce come @ me
Quote from: YPrrrr on October 16, 2018, 01:35:48 PMQuote from: C.Mongler on October 16, 2018, 01:28:19 PMalso again YPR, i need an example of a game that requires heavy use of the 1 and 2 button in the heat of action because i cant think of one doodhuh; yes it's not a comfortable maneuver but you can do it by strengthening your grip on the back of the wiimote and moving your thumb backwards, hence why it's fine for secondary actions
but im also arguing with a guy who thinks the wii has like 2 actual games and then 1000 variations of imagine babies so i dont know what this thread hopes to accomplish lol
Sports games
That's bad design and why it's in the N64 tier of controllers
I mean yeah pretty much. SSBB, Mario Galaxy 1 & 2... that's about it.
huh? 98% of sports games just used motion controls
the n64 controller is designed so the dpad and left trigger are completely inaccessible (or the analog stick and z-trigger if your hand is on the leftmost tri-wing thing) without completely removing your hand from the controller and repositioning it.
this is not a problem the wiimote has. 1 and 2 are awkward sure, but not inaccessible, and it's at the cost for alternative controller configurations.
Quote from: C.Mongler on October 16, 2018, 02:33:56 PMQuote from: YPrrrr on October 16, 2018, 01:35:48 PMQuote from: C.Mongler on October 16, 2018, 01:28:19 PMalso again YPR, i need an example of a game that requires heavy use of the 1 and 2 button in the heat of action because i cant think of one doodhuh; yes it's not a comfortable maneuver but you can do it by strengthening your grip on the back of the wiimote and moving your thumb backwards, hence why it's fine for secondary actions
but im also arguing with a guy who thinks the wii has like 2 actual games and then 1000 variations of imagine babies so i dont know what this thread hopes to accomplish lol
Sports games
That's bad design and why it's in the N64 tier of controllers
I mean yeah pretty much. SSBB, Mario Galaxy 1 & 2... that's about it.
huh? 98% of sports games just used motion controls
e casual sports games? Look:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://eaassets-a.akamaihd.net/eahelp/manuals/madden-13-wii-manual_Nintendo%2520Wii.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiAvKfZ9oveAhVRulMKHXYJAG4QFjAAegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw0Jaz-qHLHBqk_aF0b1aGHn
Even with half the N64 controller being inaccessible you still have A, B, Z, R, 4 Cbuttons accessible. 8 buttons
Wii gives you A, B, C, Z... are we going to count the D pad? And 1 and 2 are not convenient at all. It's a giant step backwards.
And honestly it should just be much better. It's two generations removed. Even if it were marginally better than the N64 it would still be worse imo because it had an extra decade to improve
your example is a wii u game where 1 is used only as...a secondary input? you're not doing that shit in the heat of the moment lol i'm talking stuff where you are forced to use 1 and 2 as buttons as quick reaction inputs, like if 1 was used to use your item or something
and yes why wouldn't you count the dpad? they are button switches. 1 and 2 are accessible, not inconvenient. going to whole foods instead of safeway is inconvenient, having the shift your thumb and grip harder is not.
then you also have IR and swing motions, which have their own individual left, right, up, down, forward and backwards recognition. then tilt which recognizes forward, back, left, and right. and then everyone's favorite, shake.
also all of this doesn't even account for the fact that nintendo designed the damn console with input backwards compatibility in mind for the whiners anyway AND released 2 iterations of standard controller attachments for the wiimote too. you had options, for the games that supported it. for the games that didn't it largely was a non issue because they had a motion gimmick or lack of a need for 22+ inputs anyway
Quote from: C.Mongler on October 16, 2018, 03:01:14 PMyour example is a wii u game where 1 is used only as...a secondary input? you're not doing that shit in the heat of the moment lol i'm talking stuff where you are forced to use 1 and 2 as buttons as quick reaction inputs, like if 1 was used to use your item or something
and yes why wouldn't you count the dpad? they are button switches. 1 and 2 are accessible, not inconvenient. going to whole foods instead of safeway is inconvenient, having the shift your thumb and grip harder is not.
then you also have IR and swing motions, which have their own individual left, right, up, down, forward and backwards recognition. then tilt which recognizes forward, back, left, and right. and then everyone's favorite, shake.
You use defensive assist like every play it's not a secondary input. Also do you see that shit where you have to hold the C button and then use D pad inputs? It's fuckin terrible.
Dpad makes for terrible buttons. Especially since if you press one direction you are locked out of the other 3 buttons it can represent. Ie cant press left and right at the same time
I'm not including motion controls (which are usually bad anyway without the add on)
Yeah and thank god if I couldn't use a different type of controller I wouldnt have even bothered with Smash
i think that the wii mote was great if used sideways and if the game was optimized around using only dpad and 1 + 2
isn't defensive assist just the button you hold to make the game play for you? i.e. you don't need to do anything else while doing it? that's what i'm talking about. menus, single button inputs, piss in a urinal buttons, etc
i don't know or care enough about madden 13 on wii u to really have this be the focus of any argument tbh so if that's your hail marry, sure
Quote from: YPrrrr on October 16, 2018, 03:08:33 PMDpad makes for terrible buttons. Especially since if you press one direction you are locked out of the other 3 buttons it can represent. Ie cant press left and right at the same time
which is why it's perfect for, again, single input situations where you don't need to press a conglomerate of buttons at the same time. which again, is how it is used. and pretty much has always been used ever since we went from using dpads to analog sticks; single-input secondary commands.
it seems like the crux of your argument is the wii remote doesn't allow you to simultaneously manage 6+ button inputs at a time which, thank god that sounds fucking atrocious
Quote from: C.Mongler on October 16, 2018, 01:28:43 PMalso re:thread
all video game controllers are glorified remote controls what the hell
Fine....
"Glorified TV remote."
Geez. So picky
Quote from: C.Mongler on October 16, 2018, 04:23:46 PMisn't defensive assist just the button you hold to make the game play for you? i.e. you don't need to do anything else while doing it? that's what i'm talking about. menus, single button inputs, piss in a urinal buttons, etc
i don't know or care enough about madden 13 on wii u to really have this be the focus of any argument tbh so if that's your hail marry, sure
Quote from: YPrrrr on October 16, 2018, 03:08:33 PMDpad makes for terrible buttons. Especially since if you press one direction you are locked out of the other 3 buttons it can represent. Ie cant press left and right at the same time
which is why it's perfect for, again, single input situations where you don't need to press a conglomerate of buttons at the same time. which again, is how it is used. and pretty much has always been used ever since we went from using dpads to analog sticks; single-input secondary commands.
it seems like the crux of your argument is the wii remote doesn't allow you to simultaneously manage 6+ button inputs at a time which, thank god that sounds fucking atrocious
dont need 6+ button combos, what you need is the option to do a 2 button combo. Which you can't do if those two controls are both mapped to the dpad. Speaking of button combos, that aforementioned pressing of C + a dpad direction. You dont have to do that on any other console in that console generation. It's terrible.
Wii Remote does every input outside of motion controls worse than every controller in its console generation and the previous generation
i think the wii remote/nunchuck could have been improved with a few additional inputs, but it's rare that i ever truly felt it was missing something because there's no shortage of good wii games that are well optimized for the wii remote
sure i suppose there's no reason it couldn't have had a traditional abxy layout and another thumbstick and 4 triggers but what you lose in button inputs you gain in motion controls, which was the whole point
it did an extremely effective job at demonstrating the utility of motion controls in games, and it's comfortable, and the fact that your hands can be separated is a huge advantage
it's not at all "in the n64 tier of controllers" because it doesn't completely cuck itself out of being utilized to its full potential the way the n64 controller does, the 1 and 2 buttons are still accessible on the rare occasion they're needed, and they're a lot less important than a whole d-pad and shoulder button in the first place
i genuinely like the wii remote/nunchuck and feel that with some (heavy) modifications, that concept could potentially be the ideal input method for games
i would love to see an updated version of it with a slightly adjusted layout and a more complete set of inputs in the future but that's probably never happening lol, i'm STILL mourning over the fact that it's not supported in smash ultimate
I still don't know how you're supposed to hit the 1 and 2 buttons holding it like this (unless you change your entire hand position):
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/Wiimote-in-Hands.jpg)
(http://www.bobleesays.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/OpposableThumbs.jpeg)
also john just made this as a bait thread to get me and ypr to argue anyway, mods lock this shit
Quote from: C.Mongler on November 05, 2018, 06:39:29 AM(http://www.bobleesays.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/OpposableThumbs.jpeg)
move my thumb 180 degrees from a thumbs up, can you? Because I can move it 90 degrees from thumbs up position which won't hit the 1 and 2 buttons which are at least 120 degrees
Means opposable to the other fingers btw has nothing to do with range of motion
Unless the 1 and 2 buttons are meant to be pressed with the fat part of your palm under your thumb ofc like in the pic
I'm replying to this post on my iPhone using the exact hand motion required to press 1 and/or 2
Checkmate atheists
Also stop bumping this bait shit
I like Wii
YPR do not
That's it, that's the conclusion go home everyone
Quote from: C.Mongler on November 05, 2018, 06:40:00 AMalso john just made this as a bait thread to get me and ypr to argue anyway, mods lock this shit
Did Not. F U.
This is legitimate discussion
Tec has his thoughts too
Quote from: Big Goop on November 05, 2018, 09:04:35 AMQuote from: C.Mongler on November 05, 2018, 06:40:00 AMalso john just made this as a bait thread to get me and ypr to argue anyway, mods lock this shit
Did Not. F U.
This is legitimate discussion
Tec has his thoughts too
Tec thoughts don't count as legitimate discussion they're just post bait baddood;
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Quote from: YPrrrr on November 05, 2018, 09:34:47 AMQuote from: Big Goop on November 05, 2018, 09:04:35 AMQuote from: C.Mongler on November 05, 2018, 06:40:00 AMalso john just made this as a bait thread to get me and ypr to argue anyway, mods lock this shit
Did Not. F U.
This is legitimate discussion
Tec has his thoughts too
Tec thoughts don't count as legitimate discussion they're just post bait baddood;
It's not my fault if you interpret posts that aren't meant to be bait as bait. :spartan:
Quote from: Magyarorszag on November 22, 2018, 05:53:48 AMQuote from: YPrrrr on November 05, 2018, 09:34:47 AMQuote from: Big Goop on November 05, 2018, 09:04:35 AMQuote from: C.Mongler on November 05, 2018, 06:40:00 AMalso john just made this as a bait thread to get me and ypr to argue anyway, mods lock this shit
Did Not. F U.
This is legitimate discussion
Tec has his thoughts too
Tec thoughts don't count as legitimate discussion they're just post bait baddood;
It's not my fault if you interpret posts that aren't meant to be bait as bait. :spartan:
^bait^
Quote from: YPrrrr on November 22, 2018, 10:17:32 AMQuote from: Magyarorszag on November 22, 2018, 05:53:48 AMQuote from: YPrrrr on November 05, 2018, 09:34:47 AMQuote from: Big Goop on November 05, 2018, 09:04:35 AMQuote from: C.Mongler on November 05, 2018, 06:40:00 AMalso john just made this as a bait thread to get me and ypr to argue anyway, mods lock this shit
Did Not. F U.
This is legitimate discussion
Tec has his thoughts too
Tec thoughts don't count as legitimate discussion they're just post bait baddood;
It's not my fault if you interpret posts that aren't meant to be bait as bait. :spartan:
t^
^bait^
QuoteBest controller or glorified remote control?
It's absolutely not either of these.
I'd say it's a poor-to-okay controller and not at all like a standard TV remote.
its one redeeming feature is the pointer, but not many of the Wii games I've played make it feel like the pointer feels like an actual feature rather than a burden: Trauma Center, World of Goo, and Pikmin. Super Mario Galaxy, for example, would've been better off on a normal controller without star bits, pointer, or waggle imo.
For aiming, I prefer gyro-assisted stick controls like Splatoon and BotW have over a Wiimote-style pointer, and for other general pointer uses I'll admit one-handed controllers work better but I still prefer the gyro-based one Switch uses in games like TWEWY, Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee (for petting), Captain Toad, World of Goo, etc.
Even though I just cited gyro in other controllers, I can't think of any Wii games where I actually like accelerometer or Wii Motion Plus gyro controls. Usually it's just a waggle mapped to what should be a button press but the game ran out of buttons or something.
The most obvious examples of the Wii Remote being the wrong tool for the job is all the games that rely on a single horizontal Wii Remote to act as somehow an even less comfortable version of the NES controller, and often they don't even let you use a Nunchuk or Classic Controller as an option. iirc both Wii Kirby games, New SMB Wii, and Super Paper Mario all did this. I think even some Wii U games did this for multiplayer. I would feel the same way about Switch's single horizontal Joy-Con but thankfully at least in the games I know about it's only treated as an option and not forced onto you.
Wii Remote has awful battery life and eats through AAs like kirby eats through everything that gets in his way while competing with Sony's rechargeable controllers and Nintendo's own Wii U Pro Controller.
People taking my topic title a bit too literally