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I'd be interested to see Boyah's thoughts on the issue of BIRTHING CHILDREN. Is it something that interests you? If you want to have your own kids, do you want to soon (before age 30)?

I'm pretty sure I would never want to have my own child, it seems cruel to me. I'd happily adopt or foster multiple kids much later in life.

I would probably adopt a kid before having Birth of a kid, but that is me right now, assuming I want a kid.
but in a few years...decades.....

I don't really like any of the poll options for some reason, they're too divisive or something.

Anyways, I'm pretty sure I'll have a kid or two at some point, probably when I'm like thirty or so. I also really want to adopt a kid. So probably 2 total, 1 adopted and 1 biological.

I would like to join the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement that silvertone mentioned  n_u

Quote from: vziard on October 24, 2011, 07:26:56 PM
I would like to join the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement that silvertone mentioned  n_u

you are a member until you have kids, but you can become a member again afterwords if you never have kids again.


I believe it is something in the line of Something so radical that if a few people believe it the majority will profit from their expense [of not having children]


so like if a portion of the population not has children then population can remain stable. But the USA already has a stable birth rate, it is the immigrants that really up the population. this would be better in developing countries then first world. also it could be argued that overpopulation isn't really a problem with the advancement of technology???

Quote from: silvertone on October 24, 2011, 07:29:42 PM
you are a member until you have kids, but you can become a member again afterwords if you never have kids again.


I believe it is something in the line of Something so radical that if a few people believe it the majority will profit from their expense [of not having children]


so like if a portion of the population not has children then population can remain stable. But the USA already has a stable birth rate, it is the immigrants that really up the population. this would be better in developing countries then first world. also it could be argued that overpopulation isn't really a problem with the advancement of technology???

in stable economies probably, but there are still way too many people in the world in total.

with the way the wealth is currently divided, I agree.

I think we should shoot for 500m total, any more is too many.

I definitely want to raise children. Whether or not I want to actually have biological children will depend on technological advances over the next 15 years or so. I have a genetic disease that I would rather not pass on to more people.

Quote from: vziard on October 24, 2011, 07:26:56 PM
I would like to join the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement that silvertone mentioned  n_u

lol wtf
i thought they were unheard of

i want a designer baby  giggle;

Yep, kind of do... Someone has to fulfill my pro sports dreams for me girl;

i'm never having children. the future earth will thank me for not contributing to the overpopulation problem. plus i don't want anyone to inherit my mental illnesses.

Quote from: hobbit on October 25, 2011, 02:37:43 AM
i'm never having children. the future earth will thank me for not contributing to the overpopulation problem. plus i don't want anyone to inherit my mental illnesses.

P. sure it's going to get overpopulated anyway. Western countries aren't so much the problem, especially in Europe. The US does have one of the highest birth rates for an economic power but the largest factor in population increases is immigration

Maybe.
after babysitting my sister's son for almost two years I dont think I really want any kids any time soon

Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 26, 2011, 10:46:52 AM
P. sure it's going to get overpopulated anyway. Western countries aren't so much the problem, especially in Europe. The US does have one of the highest birth rates for an economic power but the largest factor in population increases is immigration

but people can't immigrate unless they're born first, right  akudood; akudood;

having another kid in India or having another kid in Italy doesn't contribute differently to overpopulation of the world, it's +1 either way (unless u racist)

Quote from: vziard on October 26, 2011, 12:42:25 PM
but people can't immigrate unless they're born first, right  akudood; akudood;

having another kid in India or having another kid in Italy doesn't contribute differently to overpopulation of the world, it's +1 either way (unless u racist)

India's actually not that awful either girl;

[spoiler]It's those damn niggers[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I like black people[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I mean you're right but as a Catholic I am somehow compelled to babymake[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I am not nearly serious enough for this thread myface;[/spoiler]

Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 26, 2011, 02:47:20 PM
India's actually not that awful either girl;

[spoiler]It's those damn niggers[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I like black people[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I mean you're right but as a Catholic I am somehow compelled to babymake[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I am not nearly serious enough for this thread myface;[/spoiler]

hey buddy...  look where you are posting at. Lets try to follow the rules once in a while, pal.

I like the idea of having a kid someday. Especially a daughter.  giggle;

I'm not sure I really have good daddy qualities though.

Quote from: Kaz on October 26, 2011, 03:31:15 PM
I like the idea of having a kid someday. Especially a daughter.  giggle;

I'm not sure I really have good daddy qualities though.

I think you do :3

What kind of question is this? As if the affirmative is not only to be unexpected, but abhorred as well. What sort of Man has such thoughts? I long for wish and hope with every fiber of my being to have children of my own someday. To love their mother and lead a happy life. I marvel at the little figures I see before me, at all of their nuances and their little traits. I die a thousand wonderful deaths, when I see the lips of a beautiful lady so perfectly metamorphed into still a more lovely form upon her daughter, the dashing charisma of a gentleman so unmistakably infused within the character of his son. And the eyes, ooh, yes, the eyes. I wonder what my own will posses of me,  of my forefathers and of the woman whom I love. But most of all, I wonder and wonder what will be new. Something unseen before. That is the gift of life. And I decry most vehemently this apathetic and careless attitude so prevalent there and throughout the world.

I doubt it, but the chance is high enough that I think it'd be worth it to preserve some cells before I start screwing up my body.

Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 26, 2011, 10:46:52 AM
P. sure it's going to get overpopulated anyway. Western countries aren't so much the problem, especially in Europe. The US does have one of the highest birth rates for an economic power but the largest factor in population increases is immigration

but what if my children have more children???? it only takes two people to make ten of them. plus, a single human uses up a lot of resources. think of how much stuff you eat/drink in a day. resources will only get scarcer so i say solve the problem now voluntarily instead of waiting for the point in which population control becomes mandate.

Umm. . . I take it very few people read Malthus. Or study history. Try as we might of ignorance or design the planet will not support what it cannot support. How terrible it becomes is really inconsequential. Even if unfortunate.

malthus is an idiot lol

i like the earth.

Quote from: Socks on October 26, 2011, 04:48:26 PM
What kind of question is this? As if the affirmative is not only to be unexpected, but abhorred as well. What sort of Man has such thoughts? I long for wish and hope with every fiber of my being to have children of my own someday. To love their mother and lead a happy life. I marvel at the little figures I see before me, at all of their nuances and their little traits. I die a thousand wonderful deaths, when I see the lips of a beautiful lady so perfectly metamorphed into still a more lovely form upon her daughter, the dashing charisma of a gentleman so unmistakably infused within the character of his son. And the eyes, ooh, yes, the eyes. I wonder what my own will posses of me,  of my forefathers and of the woman whom I love. But most of all, I wonder and wonder what will be new. Something unseen before. That is the gift of life. And I decry most vehemently this apathetic and careless attitude so prevalent there and throughout the world.

enjoy saggy vat of mayonnaise pussy

Quote from: Socks on October 26, 2011, 06:04:26 PM
Umm. . . I take it very few people read Malthus. Or study history. Try as we might of ignorance or design the planet will not support what it cannot support. How terrible it becomes is really inconsequential. Even if unfortunate.

I'd say the opposite, we can push the planet as far as we want and it will only hurt us in the end. Earth don't care she's going to be here long after we are

Quote from: silvertone on October 26, 2011, 06:05:12 PM
malthus is an idiot lol

Quote from: silvertone on October 26, 2011, 06:05:12 PM
malthus is an idiot lol

his theory is true. i hate to say it, but only an idiot would deny that.

Quote from: vziard on October 26, 2011, 06:10:44 PM
enjoy saggy vat of mayonnaise pussy

yeah if any of you were girls you'd think differently.  a woman's body is forever changed in a bad way  >.<

Quote from: vulpix on October 26, 2011, 06:15:26 PM

yeah if any of you were girls you'd think differently.  a woman's body is forever changed in a bad way  >.<

women hold the single greatest privilege in life and in this world. all the rest is second to this.

Quote from: Socks on October 26, 2011, 06:20:25 PM
women hold the single greatest privilege in life and in this world. all the rest is second to this.

wow chauvinist

Quote from: hobbit on October 26, 2011, 05:56:26 PM
but what if my children have more children???? it only takes two people to make ten of them. plus, a single human uses up a lot of resources. think of how much stuff you eat/drink in a day. resources will only get scarcer so i say solve the problem now voluntarily instead of waiting for the point in which population control becomes mandate.

Well that's their decision... What if my children become serial killers? I'm not going to worry too much about their decisions, they're their own people.

Food and water are probably amongst the least of our problems as far as resources initially since for the most part they're able to be recycled. If you're mandating population control upon yourself and advise it for other people, then what is the difference for you if it is codified or not?

Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 26, 2011, 07:01:16 PM
Well that's their decision... What if my children become serial killers? I'm not going to worry too much about their decisions, they're their own people.

Food and water are probably amongst the least of our problems as far as resources initially since for the most part they're able to be recycled. If you're mandating population control upon yourself and advise it for other people, then what is the difference for you if it is codified or not?

but you can choose to NOT BRING THEM INTO EXISTENCE and avoid the whole problem of whether it's your responsibility or not to deal with their decisions, which it is anyway -- of all things to care about, how could you not care about how your own children will be shaping the world for other people? It's a basic consideration of solidarity, the main fuckin Catholic Social Teaching

and actually supplies of healthy food and fresh water are in critical condition for much of the world, not helped at all by populations growing fastest in those areas, what are you talking about psyduck;

Quote from: vziard on October 26, 2011, 07:16:53 PM
but you can choose to NOT BRING THEM INTO EXISTENCE and avoid the whole problem of whether it's your responsibility or not to deal with their decisions, which it is anyway -- of all things to care about, how could you not care about how your own children will be shaping the world for other people? It's a basic consideration of solidarity, the main fuckin Catholic Social Teaching

and actually supplies of healthy food and fresh water are in critical condition for much of the world, not helped at all by populations growing fastest in those areas, what are you talking about psyduck;

It's not a problem. It's not my responsibility to dictate to my kids how many they can or cannot have? Also I don't know if you've noticed, but Catholics have really high birth rates, I don't think large families are something that conflicts with that consideration of solidarity.

I thought we were talking about on a global level. Food and water are disproportionately located, yes, but they're available. We really produce enough food to feed everyone. We have the technology for everyone to have water. It just doesn't happen due to economic logistics and political factors. If the world was more humanitarian it wouldn't be so much an issue

Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 26, 2011, 07:22:21 PM
It's not a problem. It's not my responsibility to dictate to my kids how many they can or cannot have? Also I don't know if you've noticed, but Catholics have really high birth rates, I don't think large families are something that conflicts with that consideration of solidarity.

I thought we were talking about on a global level. Food and water are disproportionately located, yes, but they're available. We really produce enough food to feed everyone. We have the technology for everyone to have water. It just doesn't happen due to economic logistics and political factors. If the world was more humanitarian it wouldn't be so much an issue

not saying it's your responsibility to impress specific values upon your children one way or another, just that whatever they do is ultimately your responsibility. because it was your decision to create them as people.

if you've noticed, catholics are in practice typically very secular and ignorant of the needs of the world (ironic given the original idea of catholicity). they're all for the idea of charity on a small scale to empower themselves with the love of christ or whatever but when it comes to applying individual lives to big-picture ends, using ideas (or 'faith') instead specific 'works' as tools, it's all about the individual's place and taking care of themselves (in general, certainly not for all catholics or christians). if this wasn't so, more catholics would adopt kids than have 5 children. 'solidarity' SHOULD, and I'm sure originally did, imply the highest kind of solidarity, not just some insignificant sense of helping others when given the opportunity... I think this applies to everyone, not singling out catholics as evil (though they are)

I agree with what you said about the allocation of resources, that's exactly the problem. But a much easier short-term solution than reforming all of the world's governments to support more humanitarian ends/building economies to support new development of resources, which would take many generations, would be to make birth control and access to education available to as many people as possible... which could have significant effects in only a couple generations. however you cut it, it makes no sense to let the world's population continue growing at the rate it is.

Quote from: vziard on October 26, 2011, 07:54:40 PM
not saying it's your responsibility to impress specific values upon your children one way or another, just that whatever they do is ultimately your responsibility. because it was your decision to create them as people.

if you've noticed, catholics are in practice typically very secular and ignorant of the needs of the world (ironic given the original idea of catholicity). they're all for the idea of charity on a small scale to empower themselves with the love of christ or whatever but when it comes to applying individual lives to big-picture ends, using ideas (or 'faith') instead specific 'works' as tools, it's all about the individual's place and taking care of themselves (in general, certainly not for all catholics or christians). if this wasn't so, more catholics would adopt kids than have 5 children. 'solidarity' SHOULD, and I'm sure originally did, imply the highest kind of solidarity, not just some insignificant sense of helping others when given the opportunity... I think this applies to everyone, not singling out catholics as evil (though they are)

I agree with what you said about the allocation of resources, that's exactly the problem. But a much easier short-term solution than reforming all of the world's governments to support more humanitarian ends/building economies to support new development of resources, which would take many generations, would be to make birth control and access to education available to as many people as possible... which could have significant effects in only a couple generations. however you cut it, it makes no sense to let the world's population continue growing at the rate it is.

I suppose that's true, but I'm not going to hold a grudge against Alois and Klara Hitler. It's pretty indirect.

Sure... mostly true. I don't know if it's that Catholics want that many kids but more likely the lack of birth control allowed girl;
[spoiler]boogah boogah

Yeah, I don't get the birth control thing either, you'd think it would at least be better than abortion considering ejaculation happens involuntarily in sleep sometimes.[/spoiler]

Can't really argue with any of this here...

I don't tend to think of creating a kid in a calculating sense however, more of a romantic one. I'll make it up to the world by dying young

I don't think I could ever have kids because I'm afraid of the idiocy I may spawn from my Feltiness.
(and the possible unfavourable genetic conditions said idiocy may exhibit)

Quote from: Socks on October 26, 2011, 06:20:25 PM
women hold the single greatest privilege in life and in this world. all the rest is second to this.

ghouldood;

Quote from: vziard on October 26, 2011, 06:55:03 PM
wow chauvinist

I do not accept that there is anything wrong with my belief. I stnd with pride on my statement and intent.

Quote from: vulpix on October 26, 2011, 06:15:26 PM

yeah if any of you were girls you'd think differently.  a woman's body is forever changed in a bad way  >.<

I know plenty of girls that really want kids befuddlement

Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 28, 2011, 10:38:40 AM
I know plenty of girls that really want kids befuddlement

aaand they probably think pregnancy is cute and beautiful and don't realize they will feel fucking terrible for 9 months and permanently damage their bodies, including their sweet little cunts which may or may not have to be surgically lengthened to fit the baby out, but which will certainly never be the same either way

who wants a saggy, man or woman??? who???

christians  and Amriercan folk

Quote from: vziard on October 28, 2011, 04:41:46 PM
aaand they probably think pregnancy is cute and beautiful and don't realize they will feel fucking terrible for 9 months and permanently damage their bodies

MOST women--I say this because I am a women and have physically been there when other women talk about kids--do not realize the extent of how being pregnant completely stretches you out, changes the shape of your body, widens your hips, makes your pussy loose etc for the rest of your life.  they seem to think you get a little bump and its cute and then you have a baby and things go back to the way they were.

Quote from: vziard on October 28, 2011, 04:41:46 PMincluding their sweet little cunts which may or may not have to be surgically lengthened to fit the baby out, but which will certainly never be the same either way

ah yes and many women have to have an episiotomy, which means they take a scalpel inside your pussy and literally slice into the walls to make room for the kid to come out. (but most women don't think about shit like this)

Quote from: Socks on October 28, 2011, 08:19:10 AM
I do not accept that there is anything wrong with my belief.

holding pregnancy up as some sort of "miracle" and the "greatest gift" is the whole fucking problem.  guess what, retarded people get pregnant, wild boars & sheep & giraffes & elephants get pregnant, evil people get pregnant, pregnancies happen accidentally, women get pregnant from rape. it's a fucking biological things that happens, don't degrade my worth by telling me getting pregnant is the most worthy thing I could ever do in my life.

Quote from: vulpix on October 28, 2011, 05:34:05 PM it's a fucking biological things that happens, don't degrade my worth by telling me getting pregnant is the most worthy thing I could ever do in my life.

im not a girl but that was a Good Thing to say  [imo\]

thumbup;

Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 26, 2011, 07:01:16 PM
Well that's their decision... What if my children become serial killers? I'm not going to worry too much about their decisions, they're their own people.

Food and water are probably amongst the least of our problems as far as resources initially since for the most part they're able to be recycled. If you're mandating population control upon yourself and advise it for other people, then what is the difference for you if it is codified or not?

there is no difference for me specifically if you view it that literally. but why should we wait until the last minute to solve our problems? that will only create more problems. if you really think food and water shortages aren't going to be a problem then you are delusional. water is already becoming more scarece. sure, maybe the United States is doing alright since it is the 3rd largest country by size and has a shit ton more resources than most countries. But what about other, smaller countries that now have to import their water? Sure, singapore can recycle their water but even we (US) don't have that technology yet. how will other countries afford this technology? if the US and other large countries continue to have large increases in population these smaller countries will continue to get the shaft until they collapse. how many 'natural spring' watter bottles do you really believe we can continue to fill up at this rate? how many $1 double cheeseburgers can mcdonalds sell? think about how much of the food we eat that contains presevatives. with out  them the majority of our food would go bad before we even had a chance to eat it.

Quote from: hobbit on October 28, 2011, 05:45:01 PM
there is no difference for me specifically if you view it that literally. but why should we wait until the last minute to solve our problems? that will only create more problems. if you really think food and water shortages aren't going to be a problem then you are delusional. water is already becoming more scarece. sure, maybe the United States is doing alright since it is the 3rd largest country by size and has a shit ton more resources than most countries. But what about other, smaller countries that now have to import their water? Sure, singapore can recycle their water but even we (US) don't have that technology yet. how will other countries afford this technology? if the US and other large countries continue to have large increases in population these smaller countries will continue to get the shaft until they collapse. how many 'natural spring' watter bottles do you really believe we can continue to fill up at this rate? how many $1 double cheeseburgers can mcdonalds sell? think about how much of the food we eat that contains presevatives. with out  them the majority of our food would go bad before we even had a chance to eat it.

The US doesn't have large increases in population befuddlement

Neither does Russia or China even. It's the smaller and poorer countries having large increases.

Quote from: vulpix on October 28, 2011, 05:34:05 PM
MOST women--I say this because I am a women and have physically been there when other women talk about kids--do not realize the extent of how being pregnant completely stretches you out, changes the shape of your body, widens your hips, makes your pussy loose etc for the rest of your life.  they seem to think you get a little bump and its cute and then you have a baby and things go back to the way they were.

ah yes and many women have to have an episiotomy, which means they take a scalpel inside your pussy and literally slice into the walls to make room for the kid to come out. (but most women don't think about shit like this)

holding pregnancy up as some sort of "miracle" and the "greatest gift" is the whole fucking problem.  guess what, retarded people get pregnant, wild boars & sheep & giraffes & elephants get pregnant, evil people get pregnant, pregnancies happen accidentally, women get pregnant from rape. it's a fucking biological things that happens, don't degrade my worth by telling me getting pregnant is the most worthy thing I could ever do in my life.

Other people can have opinions too.

Plenty of women find childbirth to be a long-term rewarding experience. Some don't really care about looking and staying young forever. There's nothing wrong with being traditional, it's not like he's forcing that view onto you... You're kind of forcing yours on him though

Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 28, 2011, 08:03:17 PM
The US doesn't have large increases in population befuddlement

Neither does Russia or China even. It's the smaller and poorer countries having large increases.Other people can have opinions too.

Plenty of women find childbirth to be a long-term rewarding experience. Some don't really care about looking and staying young forever. There's nothing wrong with being traditional, it's not like he's forcing that view onto you... You're kind of forcing yours on him though

hey mate I don't think she's forcing her opinion on anyone, what she said is objectively true and doesn't mean anything for what people should or should not do besides that people should be knowledgeable of what they're really doing (most people definitely are not knowledgeable of what they're really doing, whether the issue is pregnancy or anything else); what Socks said kind of means 1 thing and 1 thing only, and actually does imply that women should be something... obviously there is no such thing. I think Socks's opinion was the more 'forced'.

yeah, it was his opinion. that was her opinion. your opinion always seems to be to not have a strong opinion. what is wrong with having a strong opinion???

Quote from: vziard on October 28, 2011, 09:20:42 PM
hey mate I don't think she's forcing her opinion on anyone, what she said is objectively true and doesn't mean anything for what people should or should not do besides that people should be knowledgeable of what they're really doing (most people definitely are not knowledgeable of what they're really doing, whether the issue is pregnancy or anything else); what Socks said kind of means 1 thing and 1 thing only, and actually does imply that women should be something... obviously there is no such thing. I think Socks's opinion was the more 'forced'.

yeah, it was his opinion. that was her opinion. your opinion always seems to be to not have a strong opinion. what is wrong with having a strong opinion???

Well once you start throwing around insults such as "chauvanist" and saying "don't degrade my blah blah blah" it's getting pretty forceful. Especially since Socks never pointed his opinion in anyone's direction. He didn't even say it was the best thing a woman could hope to do. He listed it as one of the greatest privileges for either men or women. How is that chauvinist. How is

"I long for wish and hope with every fiber of my being to have children of my own someday. To love their mother and lead a happy life. I marvel at the little figures I see before me, at all of their nuances and their little traits. I die a thousand wonderful deaths, when I see the lips of a beautiful lady so perfectly metamorphed into still a more lovely form upon her daughter, the dashing charisma of a gentleman so unmistakably infused within the character of his son. And the eyes, ooh, yes, the eyes. I wonder what my own will posses of me,  of my forefathers and of the woman whom I love."

chauvinist? That's just ridiculous. Socks loves women and wants to have a kid with one. I don't see why he has to be berated for that. I fail to see where he forced his opinion.

Also I find it odd that you and Vulpix share the rank "Yoni" which is a symbol for procreation when you both seem adamantly opposed

maybe it's symbolic procreation~

Quote from: Clucky on October 29, 2011, 09:11:39 AM
maybe it's symbolic procreation~

There is an overpopulation of symbolism~

Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 29, 2011, 09:17:39 AM
There is an overpopulation of symbolism~

not if you're an idealist INFP~

Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 29, 2011, 08:43:58 AM
Also I find it odd that you and Vulpix share the rank "Yoni" which is a symbol for procreation when you both seem adamantly opposed

wow derp

Quote from: vulpix on October 29, 2011, 04:38:02 PM
wow derp

The rest of the post is pretty spot on girl;

Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 29, 2011, 08:43:58 AM
Well once you start throwing around insults such as "chauvanist" and saying "don't degrade my blah blah blah" it's getting pretty forceful. Especially since Socks never pointed his opinion in anyone's direction. He didn't even say it was the best thing a woman could hope to do. He listed it as one of the greatest privileges for either men or women. How is that chauvinist. How is

"I long for wish and hope with every fiber of my being to have children of my own someday. To love their mother and lead a happy life. I marvel at the little figures I see before me, at all of their nuances and their little traits. I die a thousand wonderful deaths, when I see the lips of a beautiful lady so perfectly metamorphed into still a more lovely form upon her daughter, the dashing charisma of a gentleman so unmistakably infused within the character of his son. And the eyes, ooh, yes, the eyes. I wonder what my own will posses of me,  of my forefathers and of the woman whom I love."

chauvinist? That's just ridiculous. Socks loves women and wants to have a kid with one. I don't see why he has to be berated for that. I fail to see where he forced his opinion.

Also I find it odd that you and Vulpix share the rank "Yoni" which is a symbol for procreation when you both seem adamantly opposed

I didn't quote that post and say 'wow chauvinist' (which was 31% a joke anyway), I quoted something else. and what are you now, peaceful objective mediator, seems to me like you're being pretty forceful with all these opinions about my opinions, bub. fuck your liberal mexican agenda

and also Yoni is the symbol of the universal/primordial 'mother' in a cosmic sense, also a meditative yantra, not a 'symbol for' sexual procreation (thought it is the sanskrit representation of 'pussy', which is why I have it), so it's hardly relevant.

Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 29, 2011, 09:17:39 AM
There is an overpopulation of symbolism~

the cool part about symbolism is that it's exactly what it seems

Quote from: vulpix on October 29, 2011, 04:38:02 PM
wow derp

Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 29, 2011, 04:44:04 PM
I fail to see where he forced his opinion.

no one is forcing their opinion. we are stating our opinions.  sometimes they differ. only you find a problem with this.

Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 29, 2011, 04:44:04 PM
Well once you start throwing around insults such as "chauvanist" and saying "don't degrade my blah blah blah" it's getting pretty forceful.

if i were black and someone said something I considered racist, would it be "forceful" for me to explain why I found it offensive?

Quote from: vulpix on October 28, 2011, 05:34:05 PM
don't degrade my worth by telling me getting pregnant is the most worthy thing I could ever do in my life.

If someone believes that the creation of life is the most worthy thing a human could ever do, how is this degrading at all? You're welcome to not agree with him, but to say he is degrading you or anyone is bullshit.

Quote from: Molotov Emir 1986 on October 29, 2011, 05:37:07 PM
If someone believes that the creation of life is the most worthy thing a human could ever do, how is this degrading at all? You're welcome to not agree with him, but to say he is degrading you or anyone is bullshit.

Thank you n_n

Quote from: Molotov Emir 1986 on October 29, 2011, 05:37:07 PM
If someone believes that the creation of life is the most worthy thing a human could ever do, how is this degrading at all?

So even if I fucking work my whole life and cure cancer, I'll never be as good as those Teen Mom girls.  at least they had kids.

Quote from: vulpix on October 29, 2011, 09:05:21 PM
So even if I fucking work my whole life and cure cancer, I'll never be as good as those Teen Mom girls.  at least they had kids.

You're kind of crazy, huh?

Quote from: vulpix on October 29, 2011, 09:05:21 PM
So even if I fucking work my whole life and cure cancer, I'll never be as good as those Teen Mom girls.  at least they had kids.

retarded argument

Oh god, this thread

I'm falling in love with this thread.

So much joy it brings me.

How do you guys not understand what she means by that  doodhuh;

Quote from: vziard on October 29, 2011, 09:12:38 PM
How do you guys not understand what she means by that  doodhuh;

i understand it, it's just really fucking stupid

also i knew you would be defending her before i even saw your post

Quote from: Travis on October 29, 2011, 09:16:45 PM
i understand it, it's just really fucking stupid

also i knew you would be defending her before i even saw your post

not that I'm defending her, I happen to agree with her  baddood;

Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 29, 2011, 09:09:19 PM
You're kind of crazy, huh?

why can't every bitch lay down and have my babies

Quote from: vziard on October 29, 2011, 09:12:38 PM
How do you guys not understand what she means by that  doodhuh;

Oh, I got it. She's just reading waaaayyyy too much into things and creating a ridiculous argument  hocuspocus;

Quote from: Travis on October 29, 2011, 09:16:45 PM
i understand it, it's just really fucking stupid

also i knew you would be defending her before i even saw your post

Yeah he's kind of required to as the boyfriend n_u

Quote from: vziard on October 29, 2011, 09:17:29 PM
not that I'm defending her, I happen to agree with her  baddood;

why can't every bitch lay down and have my babies

You were made for each other. Mazel tov

how many of you have had a real relationship with a female for a prolonged period of time

Quote from: vulpix on October 29, 2011, 09:22:23 PM
how many of you have had a real relationship with a female for a prolonged period of time

I like how you think you're so much better than everyone. It makes you easier to dislike happydood;

I have had a couple for over half a year. But it's largely irrelevant, I know awful people who are together too

Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 29, 2011, 09:24:27 PM
I like how you think you're so much better than everyone. It makes you easier to dislike happydood;

wow rude lol. I didn't know we were dividing people up here, yipper. so far you're the only one who has tried to do that.

Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 29, 2011, 09:24:27 PM
I have had a couple for over half a year. But it's largely irrelevant, I know awful people who are together too

did you think she was talking about us?  doodhuh; she's saying you guys obviously are not familiar at all with a worldview that is not male-centric

what exactly is so 'offensive' about a woman saying she would rather not be defined by her ability to conceive children? WHY CAN'T EVERY BITCH LAY DOWN AND HAVE MY BABIES?

Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 29, 2011, 09:18:41 PM
Oh, I got it. She's just reading waaaayyyy too much into things and creating a ridiculous argument  hocuspocus;Yeah he's kind of required to as the boyfriend n_uYou were made for each other. Mazel tov

I like living my life doing only the things I'm obligated to. just to be on the safe side

Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 29, 2011, 09:24:27 PM
I like how you think you're so much better than everyone. It makes you easier to dislike

i don't think i'm better than you and i don't dislike you.  :)

Quote from: vziard on October 29, 2011, 09:35:43 PM
wow rude lol. I didn't know we were dividing people up here, yipper. so far you're the only one who has tried to do that.

did you think she was talking about us?  doodhuh; she's saying you guys obviously are not familiar at all with a worldview that is not male-centric

what exactly is so 'offensive' about a woman saying she would rather not be defined by her ability to conceive children? WHY CAN'T EVERY BITCH LAY DOWN AND HAVE MY BABIES?

I like living my life doing only the things I'm obligated to. just to be on the safe side

Quote from: vziard on October 29, 2011, 09:35:43 PM
wow rude lol. I didn't know we were dividing people up here, yipper. so far you're the only one who has tried to do that.

did you think she was talking about us?  doodhuh; she's saying you guys obviously are not familiar at all with a worldview that is not male-centric

what exactly is so 'offensive' about a woman saying she would rather not be defined by her ability to conceive children? WHY CAN'T EVERY BITCH LAY DOWN AND HAVE MY BABIES?

I like living my life doing only the things I'm obligated to. just to be on the safe side

Oh I'm pretty sure she just put up a rather large dividing sign n_u

I think she is because she has before? And that has nothing to do with male-centric, there are girls that hold the same belief. It's not all a conspiracy or because of misinformation.

No one is defining her as that? Socks places it about all male priveleges too? How is that chauvanistic? He views childbirth as something wonderful, yours sees it as disgusting. Difference of opinion. Not sexist. Socks doesn't say every girl should have kids anywhere in his post. This is overblown and you two are rebels without a cause.

Quote from: vziard on October 29, 2011, 09:35:43 PM
I like living my life doing only the things I'm obligated to. just to be on the safe side

Rebel without a cause n_u

Quote from: vulpix on October 29, 2011, 09:41:16 PM
i don't think i'm better than you and i don't dislike you.  :)

You are obviously more talented at relationships though hocuspocus;

You can tell by the length ;)

this thread made me better understand 'rebel without a cause'
oh my god what am i doing with my life cry;

Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 29, 2011, 09:43:21 PM
Oh I'm pretty sure she just put up a rather large dividing sign n_u

I think she is because she has before? And that has nothing to do with male-centric, there are girls that hold the same belief. It's not all a conspiracy or because of misinformation.

No one is defining her as that? Socks places it about all male priveleges too? How is that chauvanistic? He views childbirth as something wonderful, yours sees it as disgusting. Difference of opinion. Not sexist. Socks doesn't say every girl should have kids anywhere in his post. This is overblown and you two are rebels without a cause.
Rebel without a cause n_uYou are obviously more talented at relationships though hocuspocus;

You can tell by the length ;)

dude honestly you just missed every single point either of us tried to make. just keep rollin with those punches man

bad debate tactic, I know

Quote from: Clucky on October 29, 2011, 09:50:54 PM
this thread made me better understand 'rebel without a cause'
oh my god what am i doing with my life cry;

I'm thinking I should have picked geography

Quote from: vziard on October 29, 2011, 09:55:49 PM
dude honestly you just missed every single point either of us tried to make. just keep rollin with those punches man

bad debate tactic, I know

It's because they're awful hocuspocus;

Also a bad debate tactic

I still want my q answered

why can't every bitch lay down and have my children?

Quote from: vziard on October 29, 2011, 10:00:10 PM
I still want my q answered

why can't every bitch lay down and have my children?

Chauvinist

Quote from: vziard on October 29, 2011, 10:00:10 PM
I still want my q answered

why can't every bitch lay down and have my children?

Literally? There just isn't enough wziard juice for eveyone, man.

also the next generation will be fucked up

oh god lol

i had a kid once. wasn't the best. meat was too stringy.

You guys are completely missing what Socks was saying. It has nothing to do with being male or female at all-- it has everything to do with him (and plenty of other people) thinking that having and raising children is the most rewarding and important thing in life. To say that there is a "male worldview" and a "female worldview" is to divide people by sex. It just doesn't work that way. You don't have to think the way he does, but fact is that there are plenty of people, male and female, who do. He's not trying to tell anyone to do or not do anything, and gender has nothing to do with it.

I don't have the body parts needed to do so.


For now. yes;

Quote from: Molotov Emir 1986 on October 30, 2011, 09:56:24 AM
It has nothing to do with being male or female at all-- it has everything to do with him (and plenty of other people) thinking that having and raising children is the most rewarding and important thing in life.

agreed

Quote from: Molotov Emir 1986 on October 30, 2011, 09:56:24 AM
To say that there is a "male worldview" and a "female worldview" is to divide people by sex. It just doesn't work that way.

agreed, exactly

Quote from: Molotov Emir 1986 on October 30, 2011, 09:56:24 AM
You don't have to think the way he does, but fact is that there are plenty of people, male and female, who do. He's not trying to tell anyone to do or not do anything, and gender has nothing to do with it.

agreed, neither am I trying to tell anyone what to do  doodhuh;

Quote from: vziard on October 30, 2011, 03:27:31 PM
agreed

agreed, exactly

agreed, neither am I trying to tell anyone what to do  doodhuh;

I'm glad you understand then.

Quote from: vziard on October 30, 2011, 03:27:31 PM
agreed

agreed, exactly

agreed, neither am I trying to tell anyone what to do  doodhuh;

Really? What the fuuuuuck goonish

Quote from: NPR on October 30, 2011, 07:33:27 PM
Really? What the fuuuuuck goonish

This is why I said, 'you completely missed every point we were trying to make,' because I think you took your unique judgement as it applied to what we were saying and threw it back at us as if that was all we were saying (I think this is what most people do whenever they say anything). Yet, you probably think you were arguing the neutral center, the outside perspective without any personal opinion involved, right?

I believe vulpix was only 'offended' by Socks saying (in slightly different words), 'anything a woman can do is second in worth to the glorious gift that is her eggs'. Can't you see how that might be 'offensive' if you were a woman? Can't you see how that implies a very biased worldview dominated by the desires of one sex? It implies that the female's value is defined by her biology and nothing else (that's exactly what he said, everything else is second to biology), while the male's value is defined by his ability to find a good woman to fuck for progeny (and whatever else he wants to do). Is this making any sense????

Apparently you did not understand what I said and you do not agree with it at all.

Quote from: vziard on October 30, 2011, 11:09:18 PM

I believe vulpix was only 'offended' by Socks saying (in slightly different words), 'anything a woman can do is second in worth to the glorious gift that is her eggs'. Can't you see how that might be 'offensive' if you were a woman? Can't you see how that implies a very biased worldview dominated by the desires of one sex? It implies that the female's value is defined by her biology and nothing else (that's exactly what he said, everything else is second to biology), while the male's value is defined by his ability to find a good woman to fuck for progeny (and whatever else he wants to do). Is this making any sense????

Except this is not what he said. What I'm pretty sure Socks was saying (and what Aubrey and I have been assuming he was saying) is that the greatest purpose & enjoyment that any HUMAN can accomplish/have is to have and raise children. The only part that has to do with being female is giving birth-- that's it. He's not saying that a woman's value comes from giving birth and that a man's value comes from fucking women, but that a HUMAN's value comes from raising, caring for, and supporting children in a healthy environment. I believe the whole childbirth thing was just Socks being Socks and waxing poetic, but that aside-- truth is that if you believe reproduction and child-rearing to be the most important part of life, Sock's message makes perfect sense. It's not chauvinistic...it just isn't. To twist it like that is to remove all the meaning and heart and feeling and distort the meaningless nothing that remains to fit your goals.

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i am a woman why are you objectifying me

Quote from: Molotov Emir 1986 on October 30, 2011, 11:55:57 PM
Apparently you did not understand what I said and you do not agree with it at all.


Except this is not what he said. What I'm pretty sure Socks was saying (and what Aubrey and I have been assuming he was saying) is that the greatest purpose & enjoyment that any HUMAN can accomplish/have is to have and raise children. The only part that has to do with being female is giving birth-- that's it. He's not saying that a woman's value comes from giving birth and that a man's value comes from fucking women, but that a HUMAN's value comes from raising, caring for, and supporting children in a healthy environment. I believe the whole childbirth thing was just Socks being Socks and waxing poetic, but that aside-- truth is that if you believe reproduction and child-rearing to be the most important part of life, Sock's message makes perfect sense. It's not chauvinistic...it just isn't. To twist it like that is to remove all the meaning and heart and feeling and distort the meaningless nothing that remains to fit your goals.

Socks said (this is what both of us replied to),

Quote from: Socks on October 26, 2011, 06:20:25 PM
women hold the single greatest privilege in life and in this world. all the rest is second to this.

What that means literally, interpretation aside, is that childbirth is the 'single greatest privilege' anyone can hope to be involved with in life. I suppose I do not accept that there is anything wrong with my belief that that is a derogatory remark, given that there's only one sex that actually has to do anything to have a child. I get your point about humans, but I disagree that it isn't at least a little sexist. Like you said, the only part that has to do with being female is giving birth -- but what else, besides pregnancy and giving birth (things that apply exclusively to females), is involved in creating a child?! Bim! (I meant for the topic to be more about having kids, not the aspect of raising kids, which I'd probably share your views on.)

I can't say I disagree with Socks's message making perfect sense, if you believe reproduction is the most important part of life. I think that philosophy is part of the problem. I think it's setting the bar pretty fucking low to say, 'as long as you have kids you can expect life to be perfectly fulfilling'. What are we striving to be, then, simple animals? We're not to expect any higher purpose for our collective existence beyond raising future generations to continue the process of evolution as long as possible? (Yes, I know this is a biological truth.)

So that brings us back around to the original topic of the thread, where vulpix and I expressed the belief that having your own children is just another thing you can do, nothing terribly special about it, so we'd rather adopt kids, not least of all because the world is overpopulated, especially inside orphanages, etc whatever, in our opinion. No tone of 'everyone should do this' at all. We're not trying to make rules for the human race or fight nature, sorry if it came off that way.

Quote from: bluebirdofhappiness on October 31, 2011, 12:32:03 AM
i am a woman why are you objectifying me

lol THANK YOU felt! Bim!! Bim!! Bim! so perfect

I can't properly multituote your message from my phone, and I'm not getting out of bed to do it, so:

1st p: Yeah okay but no one gives a shit about what he literally said. I think everyone except you interpreted it the way YPR and I did. Like I said, Socks was just being Socks and I think he did a good job of infusing what he said with emotion and capturing the feeling of love and beauty involved.

2nd p: I personally get more fulfillment out of sharing with and taking care of those I love than anything else I've yet experienced. I imagine parenthood to be like that x200.

3rd p: I don't know-- maybe it's instinct and such, but I would very much like to have biological children. If in 5-10 years it is affordable to garuntee that I don't pass the dominant tbs gene to my children, I will have biological children. If it's not, I'm not sure whether I will or not.

Quote from: vziard on October 30, 2011, 11:09:18 PM
This is why I said, 'you completely missed every point we were trying to make,' because I think you took your unique judgement as it applied to what we were saying and threw it back at us as if that was all we were saying (I think this is what most people do whenever they say anything). Yet, you probably think you were arguing the neutral center, the outside perspective without any personal opinion involved, right?

What the... I think you are having some difficulty in reading what people are actually saying as evidenced by your response to Socks, Applesauce, and what appears to be Felt's mockery

Quote from: vziard on October 30, 2011, 11:09:18 PM
I believe vulpix was only 'offended' by Socks saying (in slightly different words), 'anything a woman can do is second in worth to the glorious gift that is her eggs'. Can't you see how that might be 'offensive' if you were a woman? Can't you see how that implies a very biased worldview dominated by the desires of one sex? It implies that the female's value is defined by her biology and nothing else (that's exactly what he said, everything else is second to biology), while the male's value is defined by his ability to find a good woman to fuck for progeny (and whatever else he wants to do). Is this making any sense????

No, not really. Socks would probably have the same opinion of childbirth even if it involved a large white bird delivering babies to doorsteps. I'm pretty sure it's more about the love between the partners and the baby which results. Vulpix and you are more than welcome to disagree with the sentiment behind that and cast it as overromanticized gobblety gook, but it's not offensive... One man's trash, etc. etc.

Quote from: NPR on October 31, 2011, 02:28:53 AM
What the... I think you are having some difficulty in reading what people are actually saying as evidenced by your response to Socks, Applesauce, and what appears to be Felt's mockery

and you don't understand the possibility that something more complex (or totally opposite) in meaning is being said than what's plainly written, except where it's obvious, I guess. cf. sarcasm

Quote from: NPR on October 31, 2011, 02:28:53 AM
No, not really. Socks would probably have the same opinion of childbirth even if it involved a large white bird delivering babies to doorsteps. I'm pretty sure it's more about the love between the partners and the baby which results. Vulpix and you are more than welcome to disagree with the sentiment behind that and cast it as overromanticized gobblety gook, but it's not offensive... One man's trash, etc. etc.

ok, you're still not understanding where we differ in opinion, you're framing me as the perpetrator of some ethical crime that I never even mentioned. I don't have anything to say because what you're not talking about what I'm talking about

Quote from: Molotov Emir 1986 on October 31, 2011, 01:39:05 AM
I can't properly multituote your message from my phone, and I'm not getting out of bed to do it, so:

1st p: Yeah okay but no one gives a shit about what he literally said. I think everyone except you interpreted it the way YPR and I did. Like I said, Socks was just being Socks and I think he did a good job of infusing what he said with emotion and capturing the feeling of love and beauty involved.

2nd p: I personally get more fulfillment out of sharing with and taking care of those I love than anything else I've yet experienced. I imagine parenthood to be like that x200.

3rd p: I don't know-- maybe it's instinct and such, but I would very much like to have biological children. If in 5-10 years it is affordable to garuntee that I don't pass the dominant tbs gene to my children, I will have biological children. If it's not, I'm not sure whether I will or not.

It's great that you want to raise kids, I think everyone should. I have been trying to discuss the act of reproduction and how the mindset that each individual must create their own offspring could affect the world, not anyone's unique right to love and care for other people... I may be an ultraliberal feminist hippie rebel dreamer without a cause, but I can still love! Bim!! Bim!! Bim!! Bim!

Quote from: vziard on October 31, 2011, 02:59:38 AM
and you don't understand the possibility that something more complex (or totally opposite) in meaning is being said than what's plainly written, except where it's obvious, I guess. cf. sarcasm

ok, you're still not understanding where we differ in opinion, you're framing me as the perpetrator of some ethical crime that I never even mentioned. I don't have anything to say because what you're not talking about what I'm talking about

Perhaps because sarcasm doesn't translate well to text

I am talking about the defamation of Socks' character. I understand why we differ in opinion. It's because you see something that isn't there.

I want this thread to bear my child.

Quote from: Snowy on October 31, 2011, 07:01:02 AM
[spoiler](http://i39.tinypic.com/21buf79.jpg)[/spoiler] confuseddood;

as funny as that was you're also horribly wrong on word usage here snowy
the alternative would be to strip thyme's child naked.

Quote from: vziard on October 31, 2011, 02:59:38 AMthe mindset that each individual must create their own offspring

Nobody ever supported this idea. This isn't what he said. No one on Boyah, and very few people in general, support this.

Quote from: NPR on October 28, 2011, 08:03:17 PM
The US doesn't have large increases in population befuddlement

Neither does Russia or China even. It's the smaller and poorer countries having large increases.Other people can have opinions too.

just because our birthrate is going down that doesn't mean we're getting smaller. people are living longer and there are more immigrants and even if the birthrate is getting lower we're still making more people than there are people dieing. our population is going to continue to go up. words like 'large' and 'small' i guess are relative but i consider gaining a million plus people a year to be a large increase.

Socks said that biologicaly being able to carry & birth a child is the single greatest thing. From a woman's point of view, that's defining me by my eggs, because it's saying anything else I do will never be as great as physically bringing a child into this world.  that's all we were talking about.

we were never denying the fulfillment you get from raising a child.

I understand how, from a guy's point of view, the idea that "women hold the greatest gift of bearing children" might seem romantic or chivalrous, but it's not.  from the point of view of a woman, it's offensive.

Quote from: vulpix on October 31, 2011, 03:45:14 PM
Socks said that biologicaly being able to carry & birth a child is the single greatest thing. From a woman's point of view, that's defining me by my eggs, because it's saying anything else I do will never be as great as physically bringing a child into this world.  that's all we were talking about.

we were never denying the fulfillment you get from raising a child.

I understand how, from a guy's point of view, the idea that "women hold the greatest gift of bearing children" might seem romantic or chivalrous, but it's not.  from the point of view of a woman, it's offensive.

how could you possibly think that's offensive. socks was just playing with words, it's what he does.  goddammit. this isn't a subject you have the right to express an opinion about... that's just YOUR opinion, not the opinion of ALL WOMEN. I know how women think. They WANT to have children! Bim! Why are you being such a fucking 'rebellious' woman, what's your point? Sure you can say this stuff but one man's treasure, etc. You seem to think you represent the whole female sex, clearly you don't, especially compared to me... god you're obnoxious, just shut the fuck up and have my children.

bracing for another boyah break-up :D

Quote from: Sakamoto on October 31, 2011, 05:53:27 PM
bracing for another boyah break-up :D

no, they jerk each other off :D :D

Quote from: vziard on October 31, 2011, 05:47:49 PM
how could you possibly think that's offensive. socks was just playing with words, it's what he does.  goddammit. this isn't a subject you have the right to express an opinion about... that's just YOUR opinion, not the opinion of ALL WOMEN. I know how women think. They WANT to have children! Bim! Bim! Bim! Why are you being such a fucking 'rebellious' woman, what's your point? Sure you can say this stuff but one man's treasure, etc. You seem to think you represent the whole female sex, clearly you don't, especially compared to me... god you're obnoxious, just shut the fuck up and have my children.

Right, 0 women want kids. None. Despite the fact that 4/5 of women in the US have kids by age 40, none of them wanted children. Rape runs rampant. A travesty of our time.

And Socks, as a man, clearly speaks for all mankind as Vulpix does for women. His opinion on childbirth is universal amongst us. So I guess you're kind of a chauvinist too huh?

Quote from: vulpix on October 31, 2011, 03:45:14 PM
from the point of view of a woman, it's offensive.

A woman. Not all by any means. Your opinion is not any more valid than mine or anyone else's.

Quote from: vziard on October 31, 2011, 05:47:49 PM
how could you possibly think that's offensive. socks was just playing with words, it's what he does.  goddammit. this isn't a subject you have the right to express an opinion about... that's just YOUR opinion, not the opinion of ALL WOMEN. I know how women think. They WANT to have children! Bim! Bim! Bim! Why are you being such a fucking 'rebellious' woman, what's your point? Sure you can say this stuff but one man's treasure, etc. You seem to think you represent the whole female sex, clearly you don't, especially compared to me... god you're obnoxious, just shut the fuck up and have my children.

The fuck is your problem? You are such a jackass.

I think that maybe someday I might have kids, but I also might not. And maybe I might adopt. I really can't say. But at this point I currently haven't heard of anything humans can do quite as awesome as growing another human inside themselves.

Quote from: Molotov Emir 1986 on October 31, 2011, 06:58:33 PM
A woman. Not all by any means. Your opinion is not any more valid than mine or anyone else's.

The fuck is your problem? You are such a jackass.

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Quote from: Molotov Emir 1986 on October 31, 2011, 06:58:33 PM
A woman. Not all by any means. Your opinion is not any more valid than mine or anyone else's.

I absolutely have a more valid opinion about whether an idea is offensive to women or not, if that's what you're saying. 

I would have kids.

I want kids, I love kids. I want to be a dad so bad. I want to take my kids to museums, playgrounds, around the world.

How could something so simple be this difficult? I never intended to offend anyone. In fact, it was my hope to exalt and uplift every man and woman with equal value and worth. To say that to me birth is a miracle, it is special, it is holier than thou, and to each and every one of us, have as many children as you might, it is all very beautiful.

I know that my children will be my resurrection, and also my redemption. A sort of rebirth in a cycle of justice. I intend to right wrongs of my own time and of my own kind. But you couldn't possibly object to this, so I take everything in stride, and yeah, stroke. I just want everyone to understand where I am coming from. All of this talk of opinion is besides the point. Really, in the end, we wont be proven with our alleged or possible forcefulness, but with the tides of history. And generations is what I aim for, as I grow old and ultimately die.

But before I do, I will like to sit down at a long table, and in an eccentric sense, have legions upon legions of people flanking me, that I call family, and with ideas and potential that disagree with you, enjoy a grand feast in reward for the love that we sought and exists! Bim! After all, we talk of changing the world, and it is easy to get caught up in fantasy of airy notions and  philosophical extremes, but to stay grounded, and care for things, or really go crazy, have a few kids, and see what it makes one do. How you look at the world and think. Now I think I have gone off the deep end. So I'll say thanks to those who have common sense and, as always, be a gentleman to any and all ladies who have had the privilege to know me.

Quote from: Socks on November 01, 2011, 10:24:07 AM
How could something so simple be this difficult? I never intended to offend anyone. In fact, it was my hope to exalt and uplift every man and woman with equal value and worth. To say that to me birth is a miracle, it is special, it is holier than thou, and to each and every one of us, have as many children as you might, it is all very beautiful.

I know that my children will be my resurrection, and also my redemption. A sort of rebirth in a cycle of justice. I intend to right wrongs of my own time and of my own kind. But you couldn't possibly object to this, so I take everything in stride, and yeah, stroke. I just want everyone to understand where I am coming from. All of this talk of opinion is besides the point. Really, in the end, we wont be proven with our alleged or possible forcefulness, but with the tides of history. And generations is what I aim for, as I grow old and ultimately die.

But before I do, I will like to sit down at a long table, and in an eccentric sense, have legions upon legions of people flanking me, that I call family, and with ideas and potential that disagree with you, enjoy a grand feast in reward for the love that we sought and exists! Bim! Bim! Bim! After all, we talk of changing the world, and it is easy to get caught up in fantasy of airy notions and  philosophical extremes, but to stay grounded, and care for things, or really go crazy, have a few kids, and see what it makes one do. How you look at the world and think. Now I think I have gone off the deep end. So I'll say thanks to those who have common sense and, as always, be a gentleman to any and all ladies who have had the privilege to know me.

Thank you.

Definitely in the future. Not any time soon, though.

On a semi-related note, I had a pregnancy scare just yesterday. Thank god her retest came back negative, and she was on her period. I'm totally not ready to be a father.

I don't think so. Mostly because of fear I won't raise them properly.