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In an ideal world, what additional territories would the USA be in control of? happydood;

baja california should ABSOLUTELY belong to america, god knows why we didn't take it along with the rest of northern mexico after the war

also, cuba obviously, how we managed to fuck; that one up so badly is simply beyond me goonish

and possibly the bahamas, they're just so close to florida and so defenseless, and we have a severe lack of major coastal islands

that little snippet of vancouver island south of the 49th parallel should also be ours, clearly

non-americans welcome to participate with their own expansionistic fantasies nyandood;

we should give back anything that wasn't a colony

So, in other words, nothing? sillydood;

vive le québec libre :(

Quote from: Thyme on July 03, 2018, 06:26:25 PM
vive le québec libre :(

lmao

How about this: we'll help to dislodge you from the Rest of Canada™ in exchange for all the land south of the St. Lawrence River east of Quebec City. 5thgrade;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bas-Saint-Laurent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasp%C3%A9sie%E2%80%93%C3%8Eles-de-la-Madeleine

it's not like you're using it anyway, and the usa looks incomplete without it, and qc looks weird with it y/n

what no these regions are an integral part of quebec's culture lol baddood;

as far as expansionism goes if anything we should have labrador

Quote from: Thyme on July 03, 2018, 06:42:19 PM
what no these regions are an integral part of quebec's culture lol baddood;

but they only have like 300,000 people combined lol cry;

It would be no great loss for your guaranteed independence. nyandood;

Quote from: Thyme on July 03, 2018, 06:43:18 PM
as far as expansionism goes if anything we should have labrador

rofl the quebecistani government ACTUALLY believes this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labrador#Boundary_dispute

this reminds me of when federalists used "losing the Rockies" as an argument

we wouldn't mind losing the Rockies, but we would mind losing the rocher percé (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perc%C3%A9_Rock) awdood;

la gaspésie is a popular touristic and summer vaycay spot and ppl who live there have a cute accent giggle;

i know these are weak-ass arguments but real talk a gaspésie-less quebec would feel really weird, you're gonna have to take my word for it

i even have a little bit of gaspesian in me from my paternal grandmother's side

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 03, 2018, 06:48:26 PM

Quote from: Thyme on July 03, 2018, 06:43:18 PM
as far as expansionism goes if anything we should have labrador

rofl the quebecistani government ACTUALLY believes this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labrador#Boundary_dispute

tee-hee, i know n_u

Dislodging Quebec from the Rest of Canadaâ,,¢ would also certainly make it much easier for us to absorb the Maritime provinces one unit at a time. I can't imagine that you, as a completely separate country, would care too much about their own separation from Canada. tomatoes;

And then our mainland eastern seaboard would finally be complete. giggle;

The Moon. Maybe Mars.

Quote from: donʼt letʼs on July 03, 2018, 08:02:32 PM
The Moon. Maybe Mars.

Now we're taking. (https://i.imgur.com/phnOuCA.png)

It's too bad territorialism into space has been banned. :'(

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 03, 2018, 08:09:49 PM

Quote from: donʼt letʼs on July 03, 2018, 08:02:32 PM
The Moon. Maybe Mars.

Now we're taking. (https://i.imgur.com/phnOuCA.png)

It's too bad territorialism into space has been banned. :'(

by whom? nothing can stop the space force baddood;

Quote from: Thyme on July 03, 2018, 06:52:38 PM
this reminds me of when federalists used "losing the Rockies" as an argument

we wouldn't mind losing the Rockies, but we would mind losing the rocher percé (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perc%C3%A9_Rock) awdood;

la gaspésie is a popular touristic and summer vaycay spot and ppl who live there have a cute accent giggle;

i know these are weak-ass arguments but real talk a gaspésie-less quebec would feel really weird, you're gonna have to take my word for it

i even have a little bit of gaspesian in me from my paternal grandmother's side

alright, how about this: we take everything south of the st. lawrence and east of quebec city, in exchange for guaranteeing your freedom from canada AND recognizing your claim to the ENTIRETY of labrador y/n

And now you'll have a little bit of American in you from your paternal grandmother's side. giggle;

Quote from: Thyme on July 03, 2018, 08:17:29 PM
by whom? nothing can stop the space force baddood;

True. goowan

(http://tinyimg.io/i/cimcrXZ.png) (http://tinyimg.io/i/cimcrXZ.png)

In an ideal world. :'(

and yes i want yucatan too god mannit

btw, here's the usa as james polk would have wanted it, and note that it does include the southern tip of vancouver island:

(http://i.imgur.com/pwXoy.jpg)

so i think he'd be quite pleased with my plans happydood;

heck, i could very well claim even more of mexico lol

The United States should be in control of the following

Anglo Canada (Québec gets everything east of its territory)
Cuba
Panama
Iceland
Japan
Philippines
Micronesia
All of Samoa
Israel
The moon
Mars
Germany
Korea

You're even more ambitious than I am. sillydood;

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 04, 2018, 08:19:31 AM
You're even more ambitious than I am. sillydood;

american exceptionalism needs to be exported.  esp to ungrateful places who don’t appreciate the USofA^TM for giving them their freedom coughkoreacough

US took the land it did after the Mexican American war to open the way to the Pacific. It provided a nice contiguous landmass for this purpose in which there was a very sparse population of Mexican citizens.

The reason the US largely ignored territories to the south was because the Mexican and native populations were higher which would have created non-white majority territories. Which obviously no one was really thrilled about at the time. Not to mention these populations would naturally be hostile towards any occupying forces or displacement.

Baja California at the time was also viewed as a resourceless piece of mountainous arid land unsuitable for farming. There was a higher number of natives in this area which fought especially hard because one of the US commanders refused to accept native surrender and would execute any captives.

So it wasn't really worth the extra effort to the US government to militarily dominate Baja California when their main objectives had already been achieved.

And yet we ended up taking in a huge proportion of the Mexican population anyway. goowan

But with not so much as one square inch of land as compensation. (https://i.imgur.com/5p1DT0K.gif)

according to wikipedia, 24% of the world's mexicans live in the usa

Therefore, I think it's only fair that we annex another 24% of Mexico's territory. Exactly as Polk would have wanted. :3

for when the uk inevitably implodes as a direct consequence of the brexxxit blunder:

[spoiler](https://i.imgur.com/bJZCls0.png?1)[/spoiler]

The United Republic of Great Ireland and Northern Britain

and

The English Kingdom

n_n

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 04, 2018, 07:03:49 PM
And yet we ended up taking in a huge proportion of the Mexican population anyway. goowan

But with not so much as one square inch of land as compensation. (https://i.imgur.com/5p1DT0K.gif)

according to wikipedia, 24% of the world's mexicans live in the usa

Therefore, I think it's only fair that we annex another 24% of Mexico's territory. Exactly as Polk would have wanted. :3

Well our nation sure loves to complain about that fact goowan

And that's what you get when you try to compete with Catholic birthrates spam; Suck it protestants

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 04, 2018, 07:51:21 AM
btw, here's the usa as james polk would have wanted it, and note that it does include the southern tip of vancouver island:

(http://i.imgur.com/pwXoy.jpg)

so i think he'd be quite pleased with my plans happydood;

heck, i could very well claim even more of mexico lol

This makes sense to me.

I'm glad at least someone agrees. I think we'd handle Mexico better than Mexico handles Mexico. (https://i.imgur.com/phnOuCA.png)

not that that would be difficult at all judging by the condition the place is in today, lol

Tec what do you think the new President will be like? I get the feeling he doesn't agree with Trump at all.

Quote from: FAMY2 on July 08, 2018, 04:53:13 PMI get the feeling he doesn't agree with Trump at all.

not that that's saying much, lol

i couldn't blame any (especially mexican) politicians for hating tr*mp

but i can blame them for failing to acknowledge that their '''leadership''' has resulted in the near total failure of a territory with such great potential, and that things would be better for all if they just ceded all of mexico to us :'(

i can't say i know too much about this new guy, but things like this:

https://wtop.com/latin-america/2018/07/mexican-president-elect-wants-every-kid-to-go-to-college/

make me think he might be a bit of a populist himself, lol

1. mexico's education standards are complete crap and perhaps he should focus on improving the effectiveness of its primary and secondary education facilities first

2. sending absolutely everyone to college would just turn college into the new high school and delay entry into the labor force for those who truly don't want/need tertiary education, lol

return the land settler scum

also, in case it wasn't clear, what i mean by "from pole to freezing pole" is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/51st_state#Poland

xiapproves;

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 08, 2018, 08:53:17 PM
also, in case it wasn't clear, what i mean by "from pole to freezing pole" is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/51st_state#Poland

xiapproves;

retroactively making the witcher 3 the best american RPG xiapproves;

imperialist swine

mexico, poland, cuba, and the maritime provinces would all be greatly improved by their annexation to america, and that's just fact

call me imperialist swine, but even you can't deny that to be invited and accepted into the union is among the truest forms of altruism there is cry;

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 08, 2018, 11:20:32 PM
mexico, poland, cuba, and the maritime provinces would all be greatly improved by their annexation to america, and that's just fact

call me imperialist swine, but even you can't deny that to be invited and accepted into the union is among the truest forms of altruism there is cry;

ur a joke my dude lol

alright then, build the wall instead and see how that works out for us mr. tr*mp :|

i promise to make mexico great again, and all they'd have to do is hand over the keys to their shoddy government

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 08, 2018, 11:25:19 PM
alright then, build the wall instead and see how that works out for us :|

i promise to make mexico great again, and all they'd have to do is hand over the keys to their shoddy government

the best thing you can do for the world is abolishing the US and then shutting the fuck up for the rest of your life

And I'm the joke. goowan

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 08, 2018, 11:27:56 PM
And I'm the joke. goowan

ur playing pretend imperialist on a dead forum for a country that doesnt care about u

i think the fact that you are genuinely frustrated by a "pretend imperialist on a dead forum" says a lot more about you than it does about me, lol

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 08, 2018, 11:35:43 PM
i think the fact that you are genuinely frustrated by a "pretend imperialist on a dead forum" says a lot more about you than it does about me, lol

so what does it say about me? because what this thread says about you is that youre a dumbass who has weird, disgusting views of taking over other countries when the empire has already ruined the lives of millions because of garbage like manifest destiny

"i-i-its's just a j-joke" neck yourself

also lol arent you nonwhite? thats even more cringe

well, for one, all of that spiel says that you feel threatened by... a "pretend imperialist on a dead forum"

I take it you're no fan of games like Civilization either. goowan

yeah dude me calling you out on being a clown with a warped view of reality is me feeling threatened  goonish

civilization is a video game, as far as im concerned you unironically support the US (literally top 3 evil empire in history) stealing more land. ofc im gonna call u a shithead

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 08, 2018, 11:49:52 PMyou unironically support the US stealing more land.

lol

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 08, 2018, 11:49:52 PM(literally top 3 evil empire in history)

LOL

yeah im cringing dude

do let me know when you grow out of the edgy tumblr-ameriphobe phase, until then i'll try to remember to use trigger warnings

*snap*

ITT Tec wants a Catholic majority USA

God Ezlo I thought you out grew your troll stage.  akudood;  What a shame. And by the way are you white?  Shame on you for that.

back to MY question Tec

Lopez Obrador views education as a way to put otherwise unoccupied youths to work and reduce crime. He pledged earlier in the week to pay salaries for apprentices employed by Mexican companies as part of $5 billion package of scholarships and training.

Does that leave out American companies based in Mexico? That would or could slame a big door on American companies producing goods in Mexico. I hope he does.

Quote from: FAMY2 on July 09, 2018, 03:40:49 PM
God Ezlo I thought you out grew your troll stage.  akudood;  What a shame. And by the way are you white?  Shame on you for that.

back to MY question Tec

Lopez Obrador views education as a way to put otherwise unoccupied youths to work and reduce crime. He pledged earlier in the week to pay salaries for apprentices employed by Mexican companies as part of $5 billion package of scholarships and training.

Does that leave out American companies based in Mexico? That would or could slame a big door on American companies producing goods in Mexico. I hope he does.

I'm not trolling, I believe 100% of everything I said. The US should no longer exist, it will be the biggest step towards world peace. And no, I'm not white.

aztlan now

ITT: imperialists crumble from 1 (one) bantering minority

Quote from: SVT on July 09, 2018, 05:52:26 PM
aztlan now

aztlan is garbage

Quote from: SVT on July 09, 2018, 05:55:59 PM
ITT: imperialists crumble from 1 (one) bantering minority

ur rly funny my dude

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 09, 2018, 06:23:51 PM

Quote from: SVT on July 09, 2018, 05:52:26 PM
aztlan now

aztlan is garbage

Quote from: SVT on July 09, 2018, 05:55:59 PM
ITT: imperialists crumble from 1 (one) bantering minority

ur rly funny my dude

He really is. Smart too. Where would you be without the USA? It's people like you who should just leave.

Quote from: FAMY2 on July 09, 2018, 06:58:03 PM

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 09, 2018, 06:23:51 PM

Quote from: SVT on July 09, 2018, 05:52:26 PM
aztlan now

aztlan is garbage

Quote from: SVT on July 09, 2018, 05:55:59 PM
ITT: imperialists crumble from 1 (one) bantering minority

ur rly funny my dude

He really is. Smart too. Where would you be without the USA? It's people like you who should just leave.

white woman telling me to leave the country how interesting

im on ezlo's side here  . . .

Quote from: FAMY2 on July 09, 2018, 03:40:49 PM
Lopez Obrador views education as a way to put otherwise unoccupied youths to work and reduce crime.

and while that's totally logical, it's less than ideal if the quality of education in mexico is relatively poor

and i'm not just aimlessly shitting on mexico when i say that, either:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Mexico#Quality_of_education_in_Mexico

it's a p. fantastical idea to have all students pursue tertiary education when not even half of high school students are graduating, and not even 2/3 of students are making it to hs to begin with

which is why i think the focus should be on greatly improving primary and secondary education standards well before there's any discussion about post-secondary, in my most humble of opinions

to be fair, he actually did just barely touch upon high school inadequacies, but i don't think he made it quite clear just how much work needs to be done in order to bring things up to speed

Quote from: FAMY2 on July 09, 2018, 03:40:49 PM
He pledged earlier in the week to pay salaries for apprentices employed by Mexican companies as part of $5 billion package of scholarships and training.

Does that leave out American companies based in Mexico? That would or could slame a big door on American companies producing goods in Mexico. I hope he does.

this seems like a fair idea to me, i certainly can't fault a mexican politician for doing what's best for mexicans within reason 5thgrade;

i doubt any large us companies are going to be seriously harmed over something like that, lol

but tl;dr the mexican education system needs srs work at all levels, not just college

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 09, 2018, 04:44:18 PM
I'm not trolling

but oh how i wish you were

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 09, 2018, 04:44:18 PM
The US should no longer exist, it will be the biggest step towards world peace.

please substantiate this claim

Quote from: FAMY2 on July 09, 2018, 06:58:03 PM
It's people like you who should just leave.

i wouldn't personally advise angsty america-hating american youngsters to leave (not that they could go anywhere LOL), but i would def. ask them to (re)evaluate their extreme opinions and the origins of such opinions, and seriously consider the alternatives to

[spoiler=trigger warning]

pax americana[/spoiler]

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 09, 2018, 07:11:53 PM

Quote from: FAMY2 on July 09, 2018, 06:58:03 PM

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 09, 2018, 06:23:51 PM

Quote from: SVT on July 09, 2018, 05:52:26 PM
aztlan now

aztlan is garbage

Quote from: SVT on July 09, 2018, 05:55:59 PM
ITT: imperialists crumble from 1 (one) bantering minority

ur rly funny my dude

He really is. Smart too. Where would you be without the USA? It's people like you who should just leave.

white woman telling me to leave the country how interesting

I'm just saying you may be taking it a little too far like you do everything. Why such hate?

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 09, 2018, 08:46:56 PM

Quote from: FAMY2 on July 09, 2018, 03:40:49 PM
Lopez Obrador views education as a way to put otherwise unoccupied youths to work and reduce crime.

and while that's totally logical, it's less than ideal if the quality of education in mexico is relatively poor

and i'm not just aimlessly shitting on mexico when i say that, either:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Mexico#Quality_of_education_in_Mexico

it's a p. fantastical idea to have all students pursue tertiary education when not even half of high school students are graduating, and not even 2/3 of students are making it to hs to begin with

which is why i think the focus should be on greatly improving primary and secondary education standards well before there's any discussion about post-secondary, in my most humble of opinions

to be fair, he actually did just barely touch upon high school inadequacies, but i don't think he made it quite clear just how much work needs to be done in order to bring things up to speed

Quote from: FAMY2 on July 09, 2018, 03:40:49 PM
He pledged earlier in the week to pay salaries for apprentices employed by Mexican companies as part of $5 billion package of scholarships and training.

Does that leave out American companies based in Mexico? That would or could slame a big door on American companies producing goods in Mexico. I hope he does.

this seems like a fair idea to me, i certainly can't fault a mexican politician for doing what's best for mexicans within reason 5thgrade;

i doubt any large us companies are going to be seriously harmed over something like that, lol

but tl;dr the mexican education system needs srs work at all levels, not just college

Having first hand knowledge of manufacturing in Mexico there are lots a capable people working already and many of them just need the proper training. It's a place to start making changes. So many factories have to send their engineers, it people, plant managers and a whole list of support people to even make things run. Many of those jobs just need trade degrees not years of college. It would be a big plus for Mexico and it's people. 

this was posted on r/quebec last night

(https://i.imgur.com/4hxDUzU.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/4hxDUzU.jpg)

lol

[spoiler]ouisconsin[/spoiler]

I like the French Wisconsin if were talking tracts of land and imperialism reichdood;

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 09, 2018, 08:53:20 PM

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 09, 2018, 04:44:18 PM
I'm not trolling

but oh how i wish you were

well of course you do, you are a bootlicking apologist for all of america’s crimes against humanity

Quote from: FAMY2 link= topic=69773.msg1564405#msg1564405 date=1531223465

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 09, 2018, 07:11:53 PM

Quote from: FAMY2 on July 09, 2018, 06:58:03 PM

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 09, 2018, 06:23:51 PM

Quote from: SVT on July 09, 2018, 05:52:26 PM
aztlan now

aztlan is garbage

Quote from: SVT on July 09, 2018, 05:55:59 PM
ITT: imperialists crumble from 1 (one) bantering minority

ur rly funny my dude

He really is. Smart too. Where would you be without the USA? It's people like you who should just leave.

white woman telling me to leave the country how interesting

I'm just saying you may be taking it a little too far like you do everything. Why such hate?

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 09, 2018, 08:53:20 PM

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 09, 2018, 04:44:18 PM
The US should no longer exist, it will be the biggest step towards world peace.

please substantiate this claim

HMMM WHERE TO BEGIN
-the destruction of the native population and the theft/ruination of their land
-the preservation of slavery to build the country to what it is today
-the discrimination against and terrorizing of black people that had existed since the very beginning but refused to die out even after the abolition of slavery, because lets face it, white supremacy was what this nation was founded on and its what keeps it running
-its policing of the world so that its companies could profit at the expense of the people living in lthe global south
-directly interfering with these countries to keep in power ruthless dictators that were pro-US
-the full support of the settler ethnostate israel
-constant warmongering, directly funding death squads that the US felt strategic to its interests. countries like libya, iraq, and cambodia ruined.

and thats just the gist of it, you could find much more specific examples of the crimes of the evil empire (https://www.twitter.com/CrimesOfUS) elsewhere  n_u

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 10, 2018, 06:25:33 PM

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 09, 2018, 08:53:20 PM

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 09, 2018, 04:44:18 PM
I'm not trolling

but oh how i wish you were

well of course you do, you are a bootlicking apologist for all of america’s crimes against humanity

Quote from: FAMY2 link= topic=69773.msg1564405#msg1564405 date=1531223465

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 09, 2018, 07:11:53 PM

Quote from: FAMY2 on July 09, 2018, 06:58:03 PM

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 09, 2018, 06:23:51 PM

Quote from: SVT on July 09, 2018, 05:52:26 PM
aztlan now

aztlan is garbage

Quote from: SVT on July 09, 2018, 05:55:59 PM
ITT: imperialists crumble from 1 (one) bantering minority

ur rly funny my dude

He really is. Smart too. Where would you be without the USA? It's people like you who should just leave.

white woman telling me to leave the country how interesting

I'm just saying you may be taking it a little too far like you do everything. Why such hate?

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 09, 2018, 08:53:20 PM

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 09, 2018, 04:44:18 PM
The US should no longer exist, it will be the biggest step towards world peace.

please substantiate this claim

HMMM WHERE TO BEGIN
-the destruction of the native population and the theft/ruination of their land
-the preservation of slavery to build the country to what it is today
-the discrimination against and terrorizing of black people that had existed since the very beginning but refused to die out even after the abolition of slavery, because lets face it, white supremacy was what this nation was founded on and its what keeps it running
-its policing of the world so that its companies could profit at the expense of the people living in lthe global south
-directly interfering with these countries to keep in power ruthless dictators that were pro-US
-the full support of the settler ethnostate israel
-constant warmongering, directly funding death squads that the US felt strategic to its interests. countries like libya, iraq, and cambodia ruined.

and thats just the gist of it, you could find much more specific examples of the crimes of the evil empire (https://www.twitter.com/CrimesOfUS) elsewhere  n_u

I think I'm in love with you

oh my, how revealing

thank you for providing me with a list of historical facts of which i was previously completely unaware, one has to wonder how i missed those

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 10, 2018, 06:25:33 PM
well of course you do, you are a bootlicking apologist for all of america’s crimes against humanity

lol, no

you will certainly not find me defending a single one of the well-known atrocities on your list, but if you seriously believe that america's history makes it more "evil" than nazi germany, or imperial japan, or russia/the soviet union, or the british empire, or the dutch empire, or the spanish empire, or the french empire, or the belgian empire, or the mongol empire (etc.), i have no idea what to say to you other than please examine your extreme selection biases and familiarize yourself with the history of atrocities committed by nations other than the us

in any case, i will offer some counterpoints:

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 10, 2018, 06:25:33 PM
-the destruction of the native population and the theft/ruination of their land
-the preservation of slavery to build the country to what it is today

nobody denies that the foundations of the us were built upon the mass graves of natives and slaves that the earliest americans themselves put to death, but these events are, for the most part, over a century in the past

how do you propose present-day americans (many if not most of whose ancestors arrived after slavery and the elimination of the natives had largely ended) atone for the sins of these villainous early americans

do you hold today's germans accountable for the sins of their grandparents

do you hold today's mongols accountable for the sins of their great-great-(etc.) grandparents

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 10, 2018, 06:25:33 PM
-the discrimination against and terrorizing of black people that had existed since the very beginning but refused to die out even after the abolition of slavery, because lets face it, white supremacy was what this nation was founded on and its what keeps it running

good job on completely ignoring the fact that contemporary america is a much, much more livable place for nonwhite americans than it was even 50 years ago, that's a totally honest argument you're making

obviously discrimination remains a great problem that we must continue to address (again, feel free to propose solutions as opposed to being some smug defeatist), but you are being bewilderingly disingenuous by effortlessly dismissing the massive progress that has already been made

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 10, 2018, 06:25:33 PM
-directly interfering with these countries to keep in power ruthless dictators that were pro-US
-constant warmongering, directly funding death squads that the US felt strategic to its interests. countries like libya, iraq, and cambodia ruined.

yes, this has basically never worked out well for anyone, but i don't think you'll find too many present-day americans in defense of warmongering

things like our continuous meddling in the middle east/north africa, and the history of meddling in south america, and all the absurd escapades in the name of anti-communism that continue to haunt us to this day, etc. are all extremely unpopular and generally recognized as mistakes, at least among average american citizens

i mean even trumpists hate the bush family

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 10, 2018, 06:25:33 PM
-the full support of the settler ethnostate israel

and how do you propose we resolve this

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 10, 2018, 06:25:33 PM
-its policing of the world so that its companies could profit at the expense of the people living in lthe global south

(https://i.imgur.com/xKgffNF.png)

the inflection point at 1950 is pretty much the direct result of globalism, an ideology first championed and popularized by the us

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton_Woods_Conference

obviously there has been significant collateral damage, and obviously that doesn't excuse the third-world (and second-world, and first-world) exploitation that continues to be practiced by the likes of nestle, monsanto, oodles of energy companies (etc.), but the world, including the global south, is an objectively better place thanks to globalization, and even """communist""" china agrees

neoliberalism is an imperfect ideology, but its benefits for global life quality exceedingly outweigh its costs

it has lifted literally billions out of abject poverty

the world has unarguably become much richer, much safer, much more peaceful and stable than it has ever been in the decades since america skyrocketed to the top after wwii, and no other hegemon in human history has ever enabled, or allowed for, or even so much as desired, such a universal uplifting of peoples (the european empires for example would have simply stolen all that newly created wealth long ago)

that is certainly not to say that there have not been great mistakes made along the way, but you know, you are free to eschew the great benefits of globalism and pax americana and go live in the wilderness if you want

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 10, 2018, 06:25:33 PM
and thats just the gist of it, you could find much more specific examples of the crimes of the evil empire (https://www.twitter.com/CrimesOfUS) elsewhere  n_u

>some idiot nobody's tw@ account of cherrypickings as further evidence for your misguided argument

jesus, it's no wonder you are so far gone

if i were to list every SINGLE injustice ever carried out in the name of france or the soviet union or the uk, of course anyone would think they're the most evil civilizations ever to have roamed the earth

anyway, tossing a bulleted list of well-known and well-acknowledged historical facts at me doesn't actually address my original inquiry:

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 09, 2018, 08:53:20 PM

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 09, 2018, 04:44:18 PM
The US should no longer exist, it will be the biggest step towards world peace.

please substantiate this claim

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Quote from: Andria on July 10, 2018, 06:27:16 PM
I think I'm in love with you

Not you too, Echo. myface;

Well, you're free to counter my above arguments too. girl;

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 08, 2018, 08:53:17 PM
also, in case it wasn't clear, what i mean by "from pole to freezing pole" is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/51st_state#Poland

xiapproves;

Tadeusz Kościuszko seems to follow me around. There are a pair of bridges in my hometown named after him, and here in Boston there's a statue of him in the public garden. I know nothing about him.

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 09, 2018, 07:11:53 PM

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Quote from: SVT on July 09, 2018, 05:52:26 PM
aztlan now

aztlan is garbage

Quote from: SVT on July 09, 2018, 05:55:59 PM
ITT: imperialists crumble from 1 (one) bantering minority

ur rly funny my dude

He really is. Smart too. Where would you be without the USA? It's people like you who should just leave.

white woman telling me to leave the country how interesting

I think you misinterpreted what I meant. You were the one bringing up color and race.  Pointing out Tec was not white like it was a bad thing. It isn't.  All I was saying is any person of any race or color who wants to blow up any country has lost all respect for it's citizens.

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 10, 2018, 10:32:09 PM
oh my, how revealing

thank you for providing me with a list of historical facts of which i was previously completely unaware, one has to wonder how i missed those

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 10, 2018, 06:25:33 PM
well of course you do, you are a bootlicking apologist for all of america’s crimes against humanity

lol, no

you will certainly not find me defending a single one of the well-known atrocities on your list, but if you seriously believe that america's history makes it more "evil" than nazi germany, or imperial japan, or russia/the soviet union, or the british empire, or the dutch empire, or the spanish empire, or the french empire, or the belgian empire, or the mongol empire (etc.), i have no idea what to say to you other than please examine your extreme selection biases and familiarize yourself with the history of atrocities committed by nations other than the us

in any case, i will offer some counterpoints:

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 10, 2018, 06:25:33 PM
-the destruction of the native population and the theft/ruination of their land
-the preservation of slavery to build the country to what it is today

nobody denies that the foundations of the us were built upon the mass graves of natives and slaves that the earliest americans themselves put to death, but these events are, for the most part, over a century in the past

how do you propose present-day americans (many if not most of whose ancestors arrived after slavery and the elimination of the natives had largely ended) atone for the sins of these villainous early americans

do you hold today's germans accountable for the sins of their grandparents

do you hold today's mongols accountable for the sins of their great-great-(etc.) grandparents

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 10, 2018, 06:25:33 PM
-the discrimination against and terrorizing of black people that had existed since the very beginning but refused to die out even after the abolition of slavery, because lets face it, white supremacy was what this nation was founded on and its what keeps it running

good job on completely ignoring the fact that contemporary america is a much, much more livable place for nonwhite americans than it was even 50 years ago, that's a totally honest argument you're making

obviously discrimination remains a great problem that we must continue to address (again, feel free to propose solutions as opposed to being some smug defeatist), but you are being bewilderingly disingenuous by effortlessly dismissing the massive progress that has already been made

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 10, 2018, 06:25:33 PM
-directly interfering with these countries to keep in power ruthless dictators that were pro-US
-constant warmongering, directly funding death squads that the US felt strategic to its interests. countries like libya, iraq, and cambodia ruined.

yes, this has basically never worked out well for anyone, but i don't think you'll find too many present-day americans in defense of warmongering

things like our continuous meddling in the middle east/north africa, and the history of meddling in south america, and all the absurd escapades in the name of anti-communism that continue to haunt us to this day, etc. are all extremely unpopular and generally recognized as mistakes, at least among average american citizens

i mean even trumpists hate the bush family

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 10, 2018, 06:25:33 PM
-the full support of the settler ethnostate israel

and how do you propose we resolve this

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 10, 2018, 06:25:33 PM
-its policing of the world so that its companies could profit at the expense of the people living in lthe global south

(https://i.imgur.com/xKgffNF.png)

the inflection point at 1950 is pretty much the direct result of globalism, an ideology first championed and popularized by the us

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton_Woods_Conference

obviously there has been significant collateral damage, and obviously that doesn't excuse the third-world (and second-world, and first-world) exploitation that continues to be practiced by the likes of nestle, monsanto, oodles of energy companies (etc.), but the world, including the global south, is an objectively better place thanks to globalization, and even """communist""" china agrees

neoliberalism is an imperfect ideology, but its benefits for global life quality exceedingly outweigh its costs

it has lifted literally billions out of abject poverty

the world has unarguably become much richer, much safer, much more peaceful and stable than it has ever been in the decades since america skyrocketed to the top after wwii, and no other hegemon in human history has ever enabled, or allowed for, or even so much as desired, such a universal uplifting of peoples (the european empires for example would have simply stolen all that newly created wealth long ago)

that is certainly not to say that there have not been great mistakes made along the way, but you know, you are free to eschew the great benefits of globalism and pax americana and go live in the wilderness if you want

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 10, 2018, 06:25:33 PM
and thats just the gist of it, you could find much more specific examples of the crimes of the evil empire (https://www.twitter.com/CrimesOfUS) elsewhere  n_u

>some idiot nobody's tw@ account of cherrypickings as further evidence for your misguided argument

jesus, it's no wonder you are so far gone

if i were to list every SINGLE injustice ever carried out in the name of france or the soviet union or the uk, of course anyone would think they're the most evil civilizations ever to have roamed the earth

anyway, tossing a bulleted list of well-known and well-acknowledged historical facts at me doesn't actually address my original inquiry:

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 09, 2018, 08:53:20 PM

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 09, 2018, 04:44:18 PM
The US should no longer exist, it will be the biggest step towards world peace.

please substantiate this claim

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Quote from: Andria on July 10, 2018, 06:27:16 PM
I think I'm in love with you

Not you too, Echo. myface;

Well, you're free to counter my above arguments too. girl;

thank you

im not going to seriously debate someone who actually made the argument of “oh it happened a while ago� even though the country still literally exists today and native people are still here like lol how unbelievably scummy do you have to be

also youre deep on that american neoliberal kool-aid so youre far gone for any sense to be talked into you, you talk about progress yet america is still the biggest purveyor of violence in the world. just because countries around the world have made improvements in quality of life does not mean that they should be satisfied

tl;dr go fuck yourself ameridrone

what the heck happened here who wants a cheeseburger

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 12, 2018, 09:04:37 AM
im not going to seriously debate someone who actually made the argument of “oh it happened a while ago” even though the country still literally exists today and native people are still here like lol how unbelievably scummy do you have to be

so, in other words, the us is cursed with an original sin for which it can't atone in your eyes

but once again i ask what makes america's original sin so much more heinous than the sins of these nations:

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 10, 2018, 10:32:09 PM
nazi germany, or imperial japan, or russia/the soviet union, or the british empire, or the dutch empire, or the spanish empire, or the french empire, or the belgian empire, or the mongol empire (etc.)

you're just not being honest if you think the us is more "evil" than any of those, lol

and, once again, feel free to propose solutions rather than just listing grievances

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 12, 2018, 09:04:37 AM
also youre deep on that american neoliberal kool-aid

I bet you can't name a better Kool-Aid flavor. bassir;

It's certainly tastier and more nutritious than the Smug Defeatism flavor. srsly

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 12, 2018, 09:04:37 AMyou talk about progress yet america is still the biggest purveyor of violence in the world.

You realize that violence and progress are not mutually exclusive, right? befuddlement

You realize that the amount of world progress >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the amount of violence in the world thanks to neoliberalism and pax americana, right? befuddlement

You realize I have never once defended US warmongering, right? befuddlement

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 12, 2018, 09:04:37 AMjust because countries around the world have made improvements in quality of life does not mean that they should be satisfied

'just because the world is objectively a better place doesn't mean it couldn't be even BETTER'

Well, sure, I agree. When did I ever suggest that the rest of the world should be happy where it currently is and should stop advancing? befuddlement

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 12, 2018, 09:04:37 AM
im not going to seriously debate

You speak in nothing but angst and hyperbole. You were never debating seriously to begin with. srs

and you continue to fail to address my original inquiry:

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 10, 2018, 10:32:09 PM

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 09, 2018, 08:53:20 PM

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 09, 2018, 04:44:18 PM
The US should no longer exist, it will be the biggest step towards world peace.

please substantiate this claim

Quote from: Thyme on July 10, 2018, 03:48:35 PM
this was posted on r/quebec last night

(https://i.imgur.com/4hxDUzU.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/4hxDUzU.jpg)

lol

[spoiler]ouisconsin[/spoiler]

jesus, why would you take all the flyover territory and specifically leave out almost every one of america's richest and most powerful cities myface;

if you're going to take all of that, you may as well take the entirety of the east coast too

and you can't not take the southwest, america worked hard for that region, and ca and texas are like the two most important states lol

Anyone who wants to annex any part of the US must either take the entire country in one piece, or none of it. Final offer. scarecrowdood;

I thought the natives migrated over on some land bridge or something

none of those countries were founded on stealing land and decimating the original population. all of those were evil as shit too, but thats completely irrelevant anyway because it doesnt change what the US has done. also i already said to abolish the US and to return the land and sovereignty to the indigenous population. i also already told you how the US is constantly involved in wars and foreign intervention to keep up its own goals. you are the one brushing this aside and using “whataboutism�, conveniently ignoring that all of those other empires are nowhere near as relevant and powerful as the US currently is. but again, you are a bootlicking apologist so it doesnt surprise me

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 12, 2018, 11:23:29 AM

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 10, 2018, 10:32:09 PM
nazi germany, or imperial japan, or russia/the soviet union, or the british empire, or the dutch empire, or the spanish empire, or the french empire, or the belgian empire, or the mongol empire (etc.)

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 12, 2018, 01:21:16 PM
none of those countries were founded on stealing land and decimating the original population.

(http://boyah.net/forums/Smileys/default/83055661vs5.png)

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 12, 2018, 01:21:16 PMall of those were evil as shit too, but thats completely irrelevant anyway because it doesnt change what the US has done.

okay

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 12, 2018, 01:21:16 PMalso i already said to abolish the US and to return the land and sovereignty to the indigenous population.

Why haven't you donated your own home to the indigenous population? befuddlement

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 12, 2018, 01:21:16 PMi also already told you how the US is constantly involved in wars and foreign intervention to keep up its own goals.

I'm well aware. Again, I have never endorsed this. befuddlement

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 12, 2018, 01:21:16 PMyou are the one brushing this aside and using “whataboutism�,

You originally claimed that the US is the most "evil" empire ever to have existed. Asking for clarification on how the US could possibly be the most "evil" when the likes of:

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 12, 2018, 11:23:29 AM

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 10, 2018, 10:32:09 PM
nazi germany, or imperial japan, or russia/the soviet union, or the british empire, or the dutch empire, or the spanish empire, or the french empire, or the belgian empire, or the mongol empire (etc.)

once existed is not whataboutism. psyduck;

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 12, 2018, 01:21:16 PMall of those other empires are nowhere near as relevant and powerful as the US currently is.

And that's a good thing. srsly

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 12, 2018, 09:04:37 AM
im not going to seriously debate someone who actually made the argument of “oh it happened a while ago� even though the country still literally exists today and native people are still here like lol how unbelievably scummy do you have to be

also youre deep on that american neoliberal kool-aid so youre far gone for any sense to be talked into you, you talk about progress yet america is still the biggest purveyor of violence in the world. just because countries around the world have made improvements in quality of life does not mean that they should be satisfied

tl;dr go fuck yourself ameridrone

"playground insults totally make me sound right and advance all of my arguments"

you're a joke lmao

indigenous people dont want my home, they want their land and sovereignty

settlers are so annoying lmao go back to play pretend civ in your pea brain, jerking off to america is all you’re capable of

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 12, 2018, 01:49:35 PM
indigenous people dont want my home, they want their land and sovereignty

Says who? You? SocksDood;

link me to a poll or something that says that the majority of native americans want to kick everyone out and take all the land back, lol

and you realize that your absurd proposal would necessitate giving up your own home, right goonish

no it wouldnt, taking back doesnt siddenly mean kicking  everyone off of it. of course your mind is so warped by american imperialist garbage that you cant imagine returning land without physically leaving it. of course if you ask me the majority of americans who are so invested on pax americana (e.g. you) should definitely leave  n_u

what, in practice, does "returning land" mean if not physically leaving it

link me to a poll or something that says that the majority of native americans want complete governmental control of the territory presently known as the us, lol

how shocking that the settler expects me to perform labor he could perfectly do himself if he was so curious. of course i wont disappoint and i most likely will when i have more time, but maybe you can use this opportunity to research on the indigenous peoples of the americas, their history and what they want  akudood;

oh jesus christ, if you're going to weasel your way out of the discussion entirely then at least be honest about it

i'm not going to hold it against you if you acknowledge that you have no significant evidence to support your claim

but i will hold it against you if you keep resorting to such cheap debate tricks to make yourself seem knowledgeable

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 12, 2018, 02:26:01 PM
how shocking that the settler expects me to perform labor he could perfectly do himself if he was so curious. of course i wont disappoint and i most likely will when i have more time, but maybe you can use this opportunity to research on the indigenous peoples of the americas, their history and what they want  akudood;

and if you do research it you'll find that they didn't originate from here either

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 12, 2018, 02:26:01 PM
how shocking that the settler expects me to perform labor he could perfectly do himself if he was so curious. of course i wont disappoint and i most likely will when i have more time, but maybe you can use this opportunity to research on the indigenous peoples of the americas, their history and what they want  akudood;

I researched and found nothing that includes a poll he asked for. I have researched their history and yes they were treated terrible. But that doesn't make the Us scum of the Earth. You just want to disagree with Tec and not back up your theories.

Quote from: donʼt letʼs on July 12, 2018, 02:43:15 PM

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 12, 2018, 02:26:01 PM
how shocking that the settler expects me to perform labor he could perfectly do himself if he was so curious. of course i wont disappoint and i most likely will when i have more time, but maybe you can use this opportunity to research on the indigenous peoples of the americas, their history and what they want  akudood;

and if you do research it you'll find that they didn't originate from here either

surprisingly, this is the most mind-boggling post i came across in this thread so far. how do you look at natural human migration into unsettled land that develops into thousands of years of developing societies and say that its exactly the same as colonizers coming on to already settled land and then enslaving and killing the native population to steal the land and resources for the benefit of the colonizing empire?

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 12, 2018, 02:29:44 PM
oh jesus christ, if you're going to weasel your way out of the discussion entirely then at least be honest about it

i'm not going to hold it against you if you acknowledge that you have no significant evidence to support your claim

but i will hold it against you if you keep resorting to such cheap debate tricks to make yourself seem knowledgeable

LMAO ok i'll make sure not to say anything when im gonna be away for an extended period of time like i have been for the previous few days mr. ben shapiro

the problem with polls/surveys/studies/etc. on native americans is a lot of it focuses on contemporary issues (addiction, discrimination, homelessness) to media-fueled sensational stories (their thoughts on cultural appropriation). you most likely will not find written record on what the exact ideologies of these tribes, but you  can find examples of what it is they want (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/arts/north_america-july-dec11-blackhills_08-23). hint: its the land.

most of my knowledge comes from engaging directly with indigenous. they are very active online and you can easily find their written works on social media or other written blog-like mediums. here is one such example of many (https://badsalishgirl.wordpress.com/2018/01/11/sqilxw-one-who-dreams-of-land/) again, i can cite more examples when i have more time.  dittodood;

Quote from: Travis on July 12, 2018, 01:46:24 PM

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 12, 2018, 09:04:37 AM
im not going to seriously debate someone who actually made the argument of “oh it happened a while ago� even though the country still literally exists today and native people are still here like lol how unbelievably scummy do you have to be

also youre deep on that american neoliberal kool-aid so youre far gone for any sense to be talked into you, you talk about progress yet america is still the biggest purveyor of violence in the world. just because countries around the world have made improvements in quality of life does not mean that they should be satisfied

tl;dr go fuck yourself ameridrone

"playground insults totally make me sound right and advance all of my arguments"

you're a joke lmao

not interested in being civil when the opposing side can be boiled down to "what if the US continued invading the rest of the world"

Why and how is colonization not natural human migration?

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 13, 2018, 09:02:35 AM

Quote from: donʼt letʼs on July 12, 2018, 02:43:15 PM

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 12, 2018, 02:26:01 PM
how shocking that the settler expects me to perform labor he could perfectly do himself if he was so curious. of course i wont disappoint and i most likely will when i have more time, but maybe you can use this opportunity to research on the indigenous peoples of the americas, their history and what they want  akudood;

and if you do research it you'll find that they didn't originate from here either

surprisingly, this is the most mind-boggling post i came across in this thread so far. how do you look at natural human migration into unsettled land that develops into thousands of years of developing societies and say that its exactly the same as colonizers coming on to already settled land and then enslaving and killing the native population to steal the land and resources for the benefit of the colonizing empire?

not to mention that during the development of their own societies and empires they were also doing those very same things to themselves.

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 13, 2018, 09:02:35 AM
mr. ben shapiro

man i wish

Have you seen what his sister looks like? (https://i.imgur.com/BOysUa1.png)

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 13, 2018, 09:02:35 AM
you  can find examples of what it is they want (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/arts/north_america-july-dec11-blackhills_08-23). hint: its the land.

this is a legal dispute over the extent of a single tribe's claim to a share of the land, not "the land" in general, and it doesn't involve native americans as a whole befuddlement

in fact, the very fact that they're merely demanding the treaty be enforced as it was originally written (and thus recognize the treaty themselves) is clear evidence against your claim that they want the entire us back psyduck;

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 13, 2018, 09:02:35 AM
most of my knowledge comes from engaging directly with indigenous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 13, 2018, 09:02:35 AMyou can easily find their written works on social media or other written blog-like mediums. here is one such example of many (https://badsalishgirl.wordpress.com/2018/01/11/sqilxw-one-who-dreams-of-land/) again, i can cite more examples when i have more time.  dittodood;

in this thread, you have cited as evidence:

• some idiot nobody's tw@ account of cherrypickings


• an anecdote


• SOME RANDO'S BLOG

You know, there is one other relative weakness of the US that you forgot to mention in this thread: its education system. (https://i.imgur.com/HymLwIa.gif)

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 13, 2018, 09:02:35 AMnot interested in being civil when the opposing side can be boiled down to "what if the US continued invading the rest of the world"

in case you haven't noticed, deliberately misconstruing my arguments will get you nowhere lol

(https://i.imgur.com/qoG63O3.png)

my goodness

wouldn't that be quite cool xiapproves;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kr%C3%A1lovec_Region

(https://i.imgur.com/YQyvOlK.png)

Oh my. Yes. tomatoes;

#kralovecjeczechy

(https://i.imgur.com/Jrb0BwI.png)


........eeeehhhh befuddlement

I'm going to have to say ABSOLUTELY not. thumbdown;

we just don't need all of canada for any reason whatsoever, lol

we don't need greenland

we don't want iceland

all of that would be exceedingly difficult and expensive to defend for a meager-at-best gain, it's just not NEARLY worth the cost

thank GOD d*nmark has given a resounding 'no' to tr*mp and all others who've been foolish enough to ask lol

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-eyes-a-new-real-estate-purchase-greenland-11565904223

Likewise, Yucatan State would be quite rad, but why Belize? huhdoodame;

not every english-speaking country in the western hemisphere needs to be "america" lol

bahamas and cuba YES, hispaniola NO (i mean just why huhdoodame;)

baja california YES, baja california sur NO (because it's an integral part of mexico)

And giving Sonora to the US just makes for an absolutely HIDEOUS southern border. ugly;

god, give it and baja california sur back to mexico immediately myface;

Leave Jamaica alone. psyduck;

And for God's sake, give the Rest of Canada™ back to Quebec at once. (https://i.imgur.com/Giwgxs7.gif)

Quote from: Kalahari Inkantation on February 13, 2023, 05:32:42 PMBK:

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BASEd Tæs'd, Br^R&&_nDO_n. boyahbby

https://youtu.be/XZGRxn9eCxU?t=41

Welco9me to AMeriCCa,. tomatoes;

... Is the *merican "' flag'" procedurally generated? befuddlement

Well I suppose its redesign is triggered by the addition of states

Quote from: YPrrrr on February 16, 2023, 11:28:41 AMWell I suppose its redesign is triggered by the addition of states

https://i.imgur.com/G1rDMr7.png

Quote from: Kalahari Inkantation on July 10, 2018, 10:32:09 PM

Quote from: Ezloﺕ on July 10, 2018, 06:25:33 PM-its policing of the world so that its companies could profit at the expense of the people living in lthe global south

(https://i.imgur.com/xKgffNF.png)

the inflection point at 1950 is pretty much the direct result of globalism, an ideology first championed and popularized by the us

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton_Woods_Conference

https://youtu.be/VlrWhx8Spp8?t=1251