Poll
Question:
Who is your preferred Zelda companion, and why?
Option 1: Midna
votes: 4
Option 2: Tatl
votes: 3
I personally find Tatl to be a much more compelling companion. Reasoning:
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 07, 2017, 05:00:44 PM
and the reason i prefer tatl to midna is because, despite their superficially similar personalities, she's actually exactly the opposite of midna lol
tatl wants nothing to do with you except to taunt and thieve along with her worthless brother and the skull kid, so she acts as an active accomplice as you're knocked the fuck; out, robbed of your dearest belongings and turned into a wooden newt
and in the process of forcefully preventing you from pursuing the skull kid, she ends up getting separated from her partners in crime
and they don't even care lmfao
they don't wait a single second for her to catch up, and by the time you get through the door a minute later they're nowhere to be seen
her own worthless brother would rather follow the skull kid like a dog on a short leash than waste even a minute on reuniting with tatl
and now she's stuck with you, desperately begging for your forgiveness because she has no choice but to submit if she wants any help cuddledoods;
and as it dawns on her that she will be stuck with you for longer and then even longer than anticipated, she gradually softens to you throughout the game
in tp's case, you are broken into being midna's servant over the course of the game, and she treats you like a mere pet throughout
in mm, tatl is broken into being your servant over the course of the game, and she becomes your pet dog on a short leash
just as she deserves for introducing herself to you with assault giggle; giggle;
I've split this off into its own topic because 1. I'm curious about what Boyah thinks and why, and 2. it was getting lengthy and I'm still not finished justifying my preference just yet. sillydood;
I don't have a great way of "justifying" my preference.
Midna has always, and will always be more interesting to me.
Tatl is just a less helpful Navi to me.
Idk at least Midna is somewhat interesting by being different
As Feyd says Tatl is just mischievous Navi
tatl is a glorified z-targeting system
Quote from: Big Goop on July 09, 2017, 02:38:55 PM
I don't have a great way of "justifying" my preference.
Well then let me make it even harder for you to justify. girl;
Quote from: Big Goop on July 07, 2017, 05:41:19 PM
navi is devoid of anything interesting
i personally think even navi is a better character than midna, but yes, navi is certainly less interesting than tatl
Quote from: Big Goop on July 07, 2017, 05:41:19 PM
You know, at least midna has a complex backstory.
does she really
i would argue that it's not complex, it's contrived
it's, in essence, another generic 'completely useless princess abdicates from throne at very first sign of danger' cliche, all too common in video games
[spoiler]
in fact, that happens
twice in tp
midna does it, and then zelda does it again with somehow even less resistance than midna put up[/spoiler]
midna's backstory may be grandiose, but it's not at all relatable or interesting or novel imo
Neither is Tatls, to me.
Maybe complex was the wrong word. She has one.
Also, what is Navis character? Find the boy without a fairy and bug him?
Basically, regardless of whether you actually like midna or not, she has the most thought put into her, as a side character, for better or for worse apparently.
All tatl had was, we found the skullkid sad and became his friend, then I got separated and had to use someone.
Yeah, midna used him too, but at least there was more to it.
Quote from: YPargh on July 09, 2017, 02:44:52 PM
Idk at least Midna is somewhat interesting by being different
and how is she practically any different aside from looking like more than a blob of light
midna is interesting in a visual design sense, sure, i agree
Quote from: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim on July 09, 2017, 02:46:21 PM
tatl is a glorified z-targeting system
and how exactly does midna help you in human form at all lol
in fact, even in wolf form, midna-enhanced wolf combat is awful
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 09, 2017, 03:02:45 PM
Quote from: YPargh on July 09, 2017, 02:44:52 PM
Idk at least Midna is somewhat interesting by being different
and how is she practically any different aside from looking like more than a blob of light
midna is interesting in a visual design sense, sure, i agree
Quote from: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim on July 09, 2017, 02:46:21 PM
tatl is a glorified z-targeting system
and how exactly does midna help you in human form at all lol
in fact, even in wolf form, midna-enhanced wolf combat is awful
wait, are we arguing gameplay merits, or strictly character?
Quote from: Big Goop on July 07, 2017, 05:41:19 PM
Besides, midna and link become pretty much equal partners by the endgame.
it's an inverted equality, though
in tp, endgame link becomes midna's equal from midna's perspective
in mm, endgame tatl becomes link's equal from link's perspective
Quote from: Big Goop on July 07, 2017, 05:41:19 PM
Idk, regardless midna is just more interesting to me.
Idk I just prefer midna
surely there must be some good reason lol
i mean, ultimately i
like midna too (sort of), i just think the link-tatl situation is a far more interesting and unique one lol
Quote from: Big Goop on July 09, 2017, 03:06:53 PM
wait, are we arguing gameplay merits, or strictly character?
we can talk about both
i'm just looking for whatever reasons anyone might have for saying midna is a better character than tatl, because whatever those reasons may be, they are not apparent to me lol
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 09, 2017, 03:07:49 PM
Quote from: Big Goop on July 07, 2017, 05:41:19 PM
Besides, midna and link become pretty much equal partners by the endgame.
it's an inverted equality, though
in tp, endgame link becomes equal to midna
in mm, endgame tatl becomes equal to link
Quote from: Big Goop on July 07, 2017, 05:41:19 PM
Idk, regardless midna is just more interesting to me.
Idk I just prefer midna
surely there must be some good reason lol
i mean, ultimately i like midna too (sort of), i just think the link-tatl situation is a far more interesting and unique one lol
well, likewise, I feel the link-midna situation is more interesting. More unique though? Perhaps not, but it's more engaging. I just like that midna starts out ultimately unlikable, but becomes , to me, more empathetic and becomes friends with link
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 09, 2017, 03:02:45 PM
Quote from: YPargh on July 09, 2017, 02:44:52 PM
Idk at least Midna is somewhat interesting by being different
and how is she practically any different aside from looking like more than a blob of light
midna is interesting in a visual design sense, sure, i agree
Quote from: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim on July 09, 2017, 02:46:21 PM
tatl is a glorified z-targeting system
and how exactly does midna help you in human form at all lol
in fact, even in wolf form, midna-enhanced wolf combat is awful
Yeah I meant visually. Tatl is just recycled.
It's not like her personality or character is very unique either though
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 09, 2017, 03:09:08 PM
Quote from: Big Goop on July 09, 2017, 03:06:53 PM
wait, are we arguing gameplay merits, or strictly character?
we can talk about both
i'm just looking for whatever reasons anyone might have for saying midna is a better character than tatl, because whatever those reasons may be, they are not apparent to me lol
but really, you gotta know that I'm pretty bad at articulating my arguments. I may have a point, but I suck at getting it across.
oh, and as for my formal argument against midna:
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 07, 2017, 04:23:10 PM
tatl >> navi >> midna >>>> fi
midna is rude and domineering from the very moment she forcefully imposes herself into your life, using you as a mere vector to effect her own goals for like the entire first half of the game
and then [glow=black,2,300]she gets ill and aww all of a sudden i'm supposed to be endeared by her plight[/glow] saddood;
no, i don't quite forgive or forget that easily akudood;
[spoiler=oh, and then there's this entire cringe-inducingly cheesy scene]
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7QRvWR3Mci0/hqdefault.jpg)
literally WHO gave this IMP permission to touch my face
i'm only going with you because i've been broken into being your steed akudood;
[/spoiler]
i was also going to complain about [glow=black,2,300]post-transformation midna, but having just rewatched all of the princess midna endgame scenes, they're not quite as bad as i remembered[/glow]
Quote from: Big Goop on July 09, 2017, 03:15:03 PM
but really, you gotta know that I'm pretty bad at articulating my arguments. I may have a point, but I suck at getting it across.
Well now's your chance to practice. tomatoes;
From a gameplay perspective, what, if anything, makes Midna more (or less) useful than Tatl?
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 09, 2017, 03:17:49 PM
Quote from: Big Goop on July 09, 2017, 03:15:03 PM
but really, you gotta know that I'm pretty bad at articulating my arguments. I may have a point, but I suck at getting it across.
Well now's your chance to practice. tomatoes;
From a gameplay perspective, what, if anything, makes Midna more (or less) useful than Tatl?
well, nothing really. They're all glorified z-targeting.
My arguments are based almost purely on story.
Although midna does have that cool multi-targeting thing where you can attack multiple enemies at once.
(not an actual argument)
midna is the z-targeting system and the zelda game multitool
she's this game's ocarina, or wind baton
Quote from: Big Goop on July 09, 2017, 03:22:35 PM
well, nothing really. They're all glorified z-targeting.
My arguments are based almost purely on story.
Although midna does have that cool multi-targeting thing where you can attack multiple enemies at once.
i will admit that that is neat
and even if wolf combat sucks, she does actively help you fight, unlike any of the fairies
but if your argument is almost entirely story-based, then boy does tatl have a story for you girl;
Quote from: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim on July 09, 2017, 03:24:26 PM
midna is the z-targeting system and the zelda game multitool
she's this game's ocarina, or wind baton
but this is an actual argument, and it's a reasonable one that i hadn't considered
do you
prefer midna as a multitool to having an ocarina or other instrument
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 09, 2017, 03:25:30 PM
Quote from: Big Goop on July 09, 2017, 03:22:35 PM
well, nothing really. They're all glorified z-targeting.
My arguments are based almost purely on story.
Although midna does have that cool multi-targeting thing where you can attack multiple enemies at once.
i will admit that that is neat
and even if wolf combat sucks, she does actively help you fight, unlike any of the fairies
but if your argument is almost entirely story-based, then boy does tatl have a story for you girl;
she does have a story, and its why I like tatl more than navi.
But, unless I forgot something big, (which is likely) her story isn't as good to me.
Quote from: Big Goop on July 09, 2017, 02:58:03 PM
Also, what is Navis character? Find the boy without a fairy and bug him?
help an otherwise unremarkable child to realize his remarkable destiny
i think that's a p. good story in and of itself, and that synopsis is a great oversimplification of navi's role
from a gameplay perspective, navi quite literally introduced the very concept of z-targeting, which changed the way 3d games are played forever
where would gaming itself be without navi
Quote from: Big Goop on July 09, 2017, 02:58:03 PM
All tatl had was, we found the skullkid sad and became his friend, then I got separated and had to use someone.
this, too, is an oversimplification imo
tatl and tael stumbled upon this sad, hideous, abandoned lonely loser idiot, and were kind enough to lend him their friendship in spite of his great faults
and together they became partners in mischief
then one day skull kid's mischief went a little too far, beyond what tatl or tael had foreseen
and then they became partners in actual crime
after that, tatl and tael become mere tools for the skull kid to realize his goals (hmm, somewhat like the midna-link relationship)
tatl's backstory is actually kind of humbling and endearing and
relatable, because we've all been a sad lonely loser idiot at one point or another (or at least i have (still am))
imo it's much better than midna's 'hey link you haven't harmed me at all but nonetheless i'm going to treat you like the dog you are (wow if only i could have been so assertive when zant was destroying my kingdom lol!!!!!!!)'
Yeah. I suppose.
You can do better than that. akudood;
i'm not trying to win, i'm legitimately trying to figure out why midna is so much more popular than tatl lol
i mean midna has already clearly won the popularity contest among zelda fans, i just don't know why
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 09, 2017, 03:59:03 PM
You can do better than that. akudood;
i'm not trying to win, i'm legitimately trying to figure out why midna is so much more popular than tatl lol
i mean midna has already clearly won the popularity contest among zelda fans, i just don't know why
well, I've told you my reason.
If you wanna know the REAL reason zelda fans like her more, the answer you're looking for is
[spoiler]they wanna fuck midna. [/spoiler]
Dimitri
Quote from: donʼt letʼs on July 09, 2017, 06:14:27 PM
Dimitri
i know where you're coming from, but dimitri along with the other two animal friends aren't really companions in the same way those other examples were
not to mention, ricky > dimitri
Quote from: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim on July 09, 2017, 06:27:41 PM
not to mention, ricky > dimitri
honestly, my first thought was to say ricky but it's been a while since I played the games and I don't remember too much about those guys
Quote from: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim on July 09, 2017, 06:26:07 PM
Quote from: donʼt letʼs on July 09, 2017, 06:14:27 PM
Dimitri
i know where you're coming from, but dimitri along with the other two animal friends aren't really companions in the same way those other examples were
oh yeah, prove it akudood;
Quote from: donʼt letʼs on July 09, 2017, 06:58:57 PM
Quote from: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim on July 09, 2017, 06:26:07 PM
Quote from: donʼt letʼs on July 09, 2017, 06:14:27 PM
Dimitri
i know where you're coming from, but dimitri along with the other two animal friends aren't really companions in the same way those other examples were
oh yeah, prove it akudood;
but if that doesn't work for you, then Zelda or ezlo
Quote from: Big Goop on July 09, 2017, 04:04:57 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 09, 2017, 03:59:03 PM
i'm not trying to win, i'm legitimately trying to figure out why midna is so much more popular than tatl lol
i mean midna has already clearly won the popularity contest among zelda fans, i just don't know why
[spoiler]they wanna fuck midna. [/spoiler]
And this is precisely the answer I was trying to wring from you Midna fanboys. giggle;
so she has a boring, generic backstory, a completely inconsistent but generally bad personality, and is mechanically barely any more useful than a fairy
...but she's also a roughly humanoid figure with exaggerated proportions onto whom desperate gamers can project their most degenerate millennial fantasies of being femdommed, sat on, and treated like a dog
Now do you see why I think everything about Midna is low-hanging-fruit normiebait?
"""gamers""" only like her as much as they do because she's "visually interesting" in the sense that they can bate to her low-hanging fruit akudood; akudood;
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 13, 2017, 08:55:05 PM
Quote from: Big Goop on July 09, 2017, 04:04:57 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 09, 2017, 03:59:03 PM
i'm not trying to win, i'm legitimately trying to figure out why midna is so much more popular than tatl lol
i mean midna has already clearly won the popularity contest among zelda fans, i just don't know why
[spoiler]they wanna fuck midna. [/spoiler]
And this is precisely the answer I was trying to wring from you Midna fanboys. giggle;
so she has a boring, generic backstory, a completely inconsistent but generally bad personality, and is mechanically barely any more useful than a fairy
...but she's also a roughly humanoid figure with exaggerated proportions onto whom desperate gamers can project their most degenerate millennial fantasies of being femdommed, sat on, and treated like a dog
Now do you see why I think everything about Midna is low-hanging-fruit normiebait?
"""gamers""" only like her as much as they do because she's "visually interesting" in the sense that they can bate to her low-hanging fruit akudood; akudood;
and tatl is a recycled character model with Stockholm syndrome woo
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 13, 2017, 08:55:05 PM
Quote from: Big Goop on July 09, 2017, 04:04:57 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 09, 2017, 03:59:03 PM
i'm not trying to win, i'm legitimately trying to figure out why midna is so much more popular than tatl lol
i mean midna has already clearly won the popularity contest among zelda fans, i just don't know why
[spoiler]they wanna fuck midna. [/spoiler]
And this is precisely the answer I was trying to wring from you Midna fanboys. giggle;
so she has a boring, generic backstory, a completely inconsistent but generally bad personality, and is mechanically barely any more useful than a fairy
...but she's also a roughly humanoid figure with exaggerated proportions onto whom desperate gamers can project their most degenerate millennial fantasies of being femdommed, sat on, and treated like a dog
Now do you see why I think everything about Midna is low-hanging-fruit normiebait?
"""gamers""" only like her as much as they do because she's "visually interesting" in the sense that they can bate to her low-hanging fruit akudood; akudood;
But that's not MY answer. That's the tumblr answer.
Tumblr wants to fuck squids (splatoon), birds/fish (zelda), giant women (zelda), and ponies
I almost forgot...
They also wanna fuck women with large butts, terrible design, and bad haircuts
i'm not accusing you personally of wanting fuck; anything that moves lol
i'm just saying that midna's popularity is unwarranted if you separate her character from her ""'visual design"""
hypothetical: would midna be nearly as popular as she is if she looked like a blob of light akin to navi and tatl
Quote from: YPargh on July 13, 2017, 08:57:44 PM
and tatl is a recycled character model with Stockholm syndrome woo
this is true of majora's mask overall
and ironically, that's precisely what makes majora's mask such a unique game lol
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 13, 2017, 09:34:16 PM
Quote from: YPargh on July 13, 2017, 08:57:44 PM
and tatl is a recycled character model with Stockholm syndrome woo
this is true of majora's mask overall
and ironically, that's precisely what makes majora's mask such a unique game lol
unique...but mediocre
Quote from: Big Goop on July 13, 2017, 09:37:53 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 13, 2017, 09:34:16 PM
Quote from: YPargh on July 13, 2017, 08:57:44 PM
and tatl is a recycled character model with Stockholm syndrome woo
this is true of majora's mask overall
and ironically, that's precisely what makes majora's mask such a unique game lol
unique...but mediocre
now
this is a topic that warrants its own thread lol
not discussing the merits/quality of the story since i don't care for tp, but considerable time is actually spent on midna in the plot, as well as some character development. i don't know why we're really comparing her to tatl, but tatl is barely even there imo, it's just navi but a different unimportant backstory
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 13, 2017, 09:38:53 PM
Quote from: Big Goop on July 13, 2017, 09:37:53 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 13, 2017, 09:34:16 PM
Quote from: YPargh on July 13, 2017, 08:57:44 PM
and tatl is a recycled character model with Stockholm syndrome woo
this is true of majora's mask overall
and ironically, that's precisely what makes majora's mask such a unique game lol
unique...but mediocre
now this is a topic that warrants its own thread lol
do it
Quote from: ƕɾο on July 13, 2017, 10:10:02 PM
but considerable time is actually spent on midna in the plot, as well as some character development.
but how much does this really matter if, by your own admission, the merits/quality of the story don't matter and you don't personally care for tp befuddlement
yes, it's inarguable the quantity of time spent on midna is considerable
but her qualities, aside from t&a if you're a millennial degenerate, leave a lot to be desired
The thing is, at least for me, you wanna know why people like her so much (aside from masturbatory material) but I've told you, and the only problem is that what you find lackluster in midna, I find engaging.
I guess what I'm saying is I don't know what else to say, lol.
Quote from: Big Goop on July 13, 2017, 10:56:27 PM
The thing is, at least for me, you wanna know why people like her so much (aside from masturbatory material) but I've told you, and the only problem is that what you find lackluster in midna, I find engaging.
I guess what I'm saying is I don't know what else to say, lol.
you have, and those of you who defended midna make some valid points, aside from her being normie dickbait
but i'm still wondering:
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 13, 2017, 09:29:32 PM
hypothetical: would midna be nearly as popular as she is if she looked like a blob of light akin to navi and tatl
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 13, 2017, 11:04:00 PM
Quote from: Big Goop on July 13, 2017, 10:56:27 PM
The thing is, at least for me, you wanna know why people like her so much (aside from masturbatory material) but I've told you, and the only problem is that what you find lackluster in midna, I find engaging.
I guess what I'm saying is I don't know what else to say, lol.
you have, and those of you who defended midna make some valid points, aside from her being normie dickbait
but i'm still wondering:
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 13, 2017, 09:29:32 PM
hypothetical: would midna be nearly as popular as she is if she looked like a blob of light akin to navi and tatl
if she had the same personality and stuff?
Maybe not AS popular, but I feel people would like her more than navi or tatl.
i think she would be just as popular because people would consider her a better navi and the people that would prefer that would make up for the loss of people that want to fuck her
i've always found her design pretty unappealing
and tec my point was that even if midna's story was a bit meh, it's still considerably better than tatl or really any of link's other sidekicks
Quote from: Big Goop on July 13, 2017, 09:07:54 PM
Tumblr wants to fuck squids (splatoon), birds/fish (zelda), giant women (zelda), and ponies
tumblr depravity truly knows no bounds
can you believe that there are so many people out there who want to run their tongue along marina's mint chocolate ice cream
or choke on kass' firm, meaty chicken
or eat mipha's tender, raw sushi
Honestly, it's sickening. befuddlement
Quote from: ƕɾο on July 13, 2017, 11:18:30 PM
i think she would be just as popular because people would consider her a better navi and the people that would prefer that would make up for the loss of people that want to fuck her
i've always found her design pretty unappealing
and tec my point was that even if midna's story was a bit meh, it's still considerably better than tatl or really any of link's other sidekicks
i like tatl's story because her history is a lot less generic and a lot more unique/relatable than midna's, and also because she is duly punished (and ultimately redeemed) for her transgressions
midna, imo, is yet another generic failed princess who simply throws up her arms and abandons her kingdom at the very first sign of danger, and she's not even the only generic failed princess to do exactly that in tp
except midna has an attitude and an ass
midna
Quote from: Big Goop on August 11, 2017, 04:42:06 PM
midna
Is now losing in the poll, and rightfully so. girl;
looks tied to me
midna's winning lol
i finally found that awful cutscene
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UShTguJevuU[/youtube]
2:07
and what's perhaps even more bothersome is the way she pulls her hand away
she makes certain that every single finger swipes before separating from his cheek
How manipulative.
and link just happily agrees, the poor innocent fool
I wanted to step away, or pull her hand off me. akudood;
.......she can manipulate me any day....
I know I evened it up and made it 3/3 after tec said she was losing
i can't believe that even you too have fallen for midna's wily charms :'(