http://whatstheharm.net/
click (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e99mNu693pY)
Whats the harm in believing in life after death?
To me it just seems illogical.
It's childish to believe in fairtytales are true as an adult, believing in a Deity is the same. I don't feel comfortable among people who believe in wizards as a truth. akudood;
Quote from: Rawl on September 10, 2009, 04:24:40 PM
It's childish to believe in fairtytales are true as an adult, believing in a Deity is the same. I don't feel comfortable among people who believe in wizards as a truth. akudood;
I wish everyone was as cool as you.
madood;
It's good for writing purposes. happydood;
Quote from: Rawl on September 10, 2009, 04:24:40 PM
It's childish to believe in fairtytales are true as an adult, believing in a Deity is the same. I don't feel comfortable among people who believe in wizards as a truth. akudood;
how heartwarmingly accepting of you happydood;
Apparently, I can't see the video because of copyrights issues, but I can say this:
Belief in life after death doesn't necessarily imply belief in a deity.
I believe in reincarnation as well. giggle;
Quote from: King Shishkebaboo on September 10, 2009, 06:00:22 PM
I believe in reincarnation as well. giggle;
No no, not "as well". n_u
Quote from: Kaz on September 10, 2009, 05:34:36 PM
how heartwarmingly accepting of you happydood;
Tell me you would take someone seriously if they told you they thought Santa Claus and The Berenstain Bears existed and they were older than 20. akudood;
Quote from: Rawl on September 10, 2009, 06:50:34 PM
Tell me you would take someone seriously if they told you they thought Santa Claus and The Berenstain Bears existed and they were older than 20. akudood;
Not really the same seeing as how both are openly confessed and realized by everyone as being fictional. akudood;
Quote from: Kaz on September 10, 2009, 06:55:40 PM
Not really the same seeing as how both are openly confessed and realized by everyone as being fictional. akudood;
you can't prove that >=O
Quote from: Kaz on September 10, 2009, 06:55:40 PM
Not really the same seeing as how both are openly confessed and realized by everyone as being fictional. akudood;
But there is no difference as far as proof of their existences goes, all religious texts are old and can't be taken as nonfictional. How can anyone believe fairytales from such an old age simply because it says that a superior being told so and so to write it? It's childish to believe in things with absolutely no foundation on proof except for a book that someone wrote with amusing stories (hence the children book comparison). akudood;
Quote from: Rawl on September 10, 2009, 07:00:36 PM
But there is no difference as far as proof of their existences goes
yeah there is
we know who created and who created the berenstein bears, and we thus know that they were created and are totally fictional
we don't know who created god, if someone did
Because apparently the same people that bash religious figures for enforcing their beliefs simply can't do with somebody believing in or even acknowledging the possibility of a higher power.
Quote from: ø Lance * Corporal * Atlas ø on September 10, 2009, 08:16:43 PM
Because apparently the same people that bash religious figures for enforcing their beliefs simply can't do with somebody believing in or even acknowledging the possibility of a higher power.
Yeah, and that would be the general atmosphere here on Boyah. You can bash religion all you want, but if someone wants to believe in God, holy shit man, it's ON. I've never understood why certain users here can't just let the damn religion thing go and let people believe what they want.
Quote from: Kaz on September 10, 2009, 08:20:06 PM
Yeah, and that would be the general atmosphere here on Boyah. You can bash religion all you want, but if someone wants to believe in God, holy shit man, it's ON. I've never understood why certain users here can't just let the damn religion thing go and let people believe what they want.
Let's see.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008) - Religion played a large role in preventing people from marrying someone they love
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design - Creationism under a new name in attempt to pass it off as a "scientific theory" without any evidence: something required for a scientific theory.
http://www.armyofgod.com/ - Even though our media only considers it terrorism when Muslims are the attackers, these people are also terrorists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks#Motive - I'll be fair, I mean look at today's date.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America - Yay discrimination.
http://www.soc.umn.edu/~hartmann/files/atheist%20as%20the%20other.pdf
http://atheism.about.com/od/atheistbigotryprejudice/a/AtheistSurveys.htm
More discrimination based on religious beliefs.
I can keep going if you want.
But really, fuck you if you think atheists should let the "damn religion thing go" when there's rampant discrimination by religious voters and organizations. There are the religious who have no fucking problem telling people they can't marry someone they love because "lol its gross god said so xDDD". They are shooting fucking doctors and bragging about how it's the work of God. They bomb medical facilities. They work to violate the first amendment by forcing their beliefs into schools saying "lol science should teach alternate theories" when alternate theories involve things with evidence. They also wouldn't support teaching Hinduism, Islam, and any other religion among their baseless beliefs.
Really, fuck you if you think people should just let that discrimination, violence, and belligerence go because "lol they are free to believe and force those beliefs upon the populace". As long as people are taking a scripture literally that states I should be killed and tortured indefinitely because I don't submit to their god I'm not going to "let it go". Oh, let's see who else their stories says needs to die and suffer and why:
-You and every other atheist here
-Hensa, Felt, PQQU, Skylark, Nyerp, Me86, Tyler, Bluaki, and any other LBGT members I may be forgetting solely on their sexual preferences.
-RDX for not being a chrishun
Glad you're defending something and saying it should "just be let go" when it preaches that both you and your girlfriend need to be stoned at the town's gates and suffer for eternity. Maybe we can all let it go and see how safe we all are when someone decides to act upon that scripture ^____^ We'd all feel so safe.
and I for one say high five atheists for being more accepting than us discriminating dumbasses baddood;
Quote from: Bolivian Army on September 11, 2009, 07:18:15 AM
and I for one say high five atheists for being more accepting than us discriminating dumbasses baddood;
I think you
are a dumbass if you can't differentiate between hating religion and hating the religious.
Atheists generally don't hate the religious just their religion. Of course there are bigots like Fred Phelps that personally get lambasted by atheists, but it should be obvious why that happens.*
So don't give that "lol atheists r biguts 2 they hate chrishins", no they hate the idiocy spewed by such.
*Atheists aren't an organized group and the only view they
all hold in common is a lack of belief in any gods, but generally, with some exceptions they don't hate religious people.
Quote from: JMV on September 11, 2009, 07:29:33 AM
I think you are a dumbass if you can't differentiate between hating religion and hating the religious.
So don't give that "lol atheists r biguts 2 they hate chrishins", no they hate the idiocy spewed by such.
Only on the condition that you don't roll all religion up into one ball of idiocy. I'm sorry if I'm not supposed to have a problem with you putting my beliefs into the same pot as terrorists and Christians who fail to understand the concept of Christian Love, but I do.
If you want to slap a bunch of wiki links together to show religion in a harsh light, that's fine. But don't give me this "relishun iz bad bekuz a lot off bad stuff was dun in the name of regligeon so dont give me this leve u alon bulcrap i can do whate ey wan >:[ " bullshit. baddood;
Quote from: Bolivian Army on September 11, 2009, 08:21:33 AM
Only on the condition that you don't roll all religion up into one ball of idiocy.
But I do find the beliefs to all be idiotic.
QuoteI'm sorry if I'm not supposed to have a problem with you putting my beliefs into the same pot as terrorists and Christians who fail to understand the concept of Christian Love, but I do.
They follow the same religion, albeit under a different interpretation. Their actions are all provided with a basis in the book. The same book that preaches "love thy neighbor" etc, teaches to kill and slaughter those who don't submit to God.
They're the
same religion. Just because
your interpretation doesn't state that violence is needed doesn't mean your book doesn't. It just means that you don't follow your religion exactly as written; which is a good thing. Don't pretend the book doesn't say to kill your child if he disobeys you, to kill your family if they don't accept God, and kill plenty of others.
QuoteIf you want to slap a bunch of wiki links together to show religion in a harsh light, that's fine. But don't give me this "relishun iz bad bekuz a lot off bad stuff was dun in the name of regligeon so dont give me this leve u alon bulcrap i can do whate ey wan >:[ " bullshit. baddood;
I was providing reasoning for why religion shouldn't be "left alone".
Quote from: JMV on September 11, 2009, 08:37:17 AM
But I do find the beliefs to all be idiotic.
They follow the same religion, albeit under a different interpretation. Their actions are all provided with a basis in the book. The same book that preaches "love thy neighbor" etc, teaches to kill and slaughter those who don't submit to God.
They're the same religion. Just because your interpretation doesn't state that violence is needed doesn't mean your book doesn't. It just means that you don't follow your religion exactly as written; which is a good thing. Don't pretend the book doesn't say to kill your child if he disobeys you, to kill your family if they don't accept God, and kill plenty of others.
No, they're actually the ones not following the word as written.
http://www.esvstudybible.org/search?q=Mattew+22+36-40
I'm pretty sure you're quoting the old testament, which is a history of God's people. It would be more accurate to say that my book teaches me how they punished people for disobeying God back in the day. In fact, it teaches me that I have no right to judge others in the New Testament.
I think it would do a lot of good for people to study the bible rather than misuse it as an excuse.
Quote from: Bolivian Army on September 11, 2009, 09:16:32 AM
No, they're actually the ones not following the word as written.
http://www.esvstudybible.org/search?q=Mattew+22+36-40
Hey, Matthew, that reminds me of another passage. I can't quite put my finger on it.
QuoteI'm pretty sure you're quoting the old testament, which is a history of God's people. It would be more accurate to say that my book teaches me how they punished people for disobeying God back in the day. In fact, it teaches me that I have no right to judge others in the New Testament.
Oh yeah, it's related to this argument...
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5%3A17-18&version=NIV
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
The old laws are specifically mentioned that "not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen" of the old testament laws is changed until "heaven and earth disappear". Silly how that works.
Quote
I think it would do a lot of good for people to study the bible rather than misuse it as an excuse.
inorite.
I'm not reading any of that long stuff, but let me just say this:
JMV, the way you jumped on me with a huge-ass amount of text really only confirms what I said...that nobody can believe in God around here openly without being made a fool of, and that's just sad to me. YPR doesn't throw Bibles at you when you make your atheism known again and again.
Quote from: Kaz on September 11, 2009, 11:18:26 AM
I'm not reading any of that long stuff, but let me just say this:
JMV, the way you jumped on me with a huge-ass amount of text really only confirms what I said...that nobody can believe in God around here openly without being made a fool of, and that's just sad to me. YPR doesn't throw Bibles at you when you make your atheism known again and again.
Don't you think you should actually read my post before posting?
"I'm not reading your post but the way you jumped on me with facts and reasoning only confirms it hurp durp". happydood;
Why don't you go read the post an actually reply to it instead of being retarded?
I think I have to agree with Kaz.
I'm not a very active member, so I dont see a real fraction of posts around here, but any time religion is even touched on, the side that's ineffectually trying to defend practicing is jumped on and brought down disgustingly fast.
I have yet to see someone seriously trying to defend without "oh you're a fucking idiot, here's why" thrown right back in their face.
Also, like Kaz said, I dont see anyone really trying to shove doctrine down anyone's throats.
It's fine being passionate about your own beliefs, which is a lack of one. Really, no problems. You bring up good points sometimes. But, I dont think a genuinely practicing christian, or buddhist, or muslim, who has done so the majority of their lives, is going to submit and change heart due to a rough response on a forum.
uh.
Quote from: Son Of Stallion Vol.13 on September 11, 2009, 11:48:32 AM
I think I have to agree with Kaz.
I'm not a very active member, so I dont see a real fraction of posts around here, but any time religion is even touched on, the side that's ineffectually trying to defend practicing is jumped on and brought down disgustingly fast.
I have yet to see someone seriously trying to defend without "oh you're a fucking idiot, here's why" thrown right back in their face.
Also, like Kaz said, I dont see anyone really trying to shove doctrine down anyone's throats.
It's fine being passionate about your own beliefs, which is a lack of one. Really, no problems. You bring up good points sometimes. But, I dont think a genuinely practicing christian, or buddhist, or muslim, who has done so the majority of their lives, is going to submit and change heart due to a rough response on a forum.
uh.
Find a serious attack I've made on religion that wasn't in reaction to someone letting religion govern their lives or attempt to use it to govern the lives of others.
bonus: not in the evolution/does god exist/god isn't needed for morality/other threads specifically about religion for obvious reasons.
and you mean you haven't seen someone in a debate about religion not be presented with facts as to why their beliefs are illogical? damn atheists for actually using facts to support their views.
It's not that you make serious attacks, it's that you do things that really could be genuinely hurtful to someone who's simply a believer, JMV. You joke around endlessly and every time God gets brought up you have to take time to talk about him not existing. Sometimes it's just annoying how it happens every time.
I'm just saying that it would be nice if you could tone down your need to bring everyone to the atheism side, at least on Boyah.
Quote from: Kaz on September 11, 2009, 12:07:23 PM
It's not that you make serious attacks, it's that you do things that really could be genuinely hurtful to someone who's simply a believer, JMV. You joke around endlessly and every time God gets brought up you have to take time to talk about him not existing. Sometimes it's just annoying how it happens every time.
I'm just saying that it would be nice if you could tone down your need to bring everyone to the atheism side, at least on Boyah.
It's generally hurtful that they think I should burn in fire and brimstone for eternity. saddood;
And I also talk about Shiva not existing, be fair. I'm an equal opportunity non-believer. And you still ignored the post about how leaving it alone is bad. baddood;
You took my statement too broadly, JMV. I meant that it should be let go on Boyah. You can campaign all you want out there in the real world if you think it's right. We're just sick of seeing it here.
And I don't recall anyone here saying that you're going to burn in Hell for an eternity, but if they did, I wouldn't like it either. I'm not one-sided here. If someone said something like that I'd call them out too.
Quote from: Kaz on September 11, 2009, 12:20:28 PM
You took my statement too broadly, JMV. I meant that it should be let go on Boyah. You can campaign all you want out there in the real world if you think it's right. We're just sick of seeing it here.
There's people here that also hold the views that have plagued society and caused problems. They support preventing people from marrying someone they love. I think that's reason enough not "not let it go"
QuoteAnd I don't recall anyone here saying that you're going to burn in Hell for an eternity, but if they did, I wouldn't like it either. I'm not one-sided here. If someone said something like that I'd call them out too.
Their religion that they follow and use as a guide to their lives says so.
Quote from: JMV on September 11, 2009, 10:55:07 AM
Hey, Matthew, that reminds me of another passage. I can't quite put my finger on it.
Oh yeah, it's related to this argument...
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5%3A17-18&version=NIV
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
The old laws are specifically mentioned that "not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen" of the old testament laws is changed until "heaven and earth disappear". Silly how that works.
inorite.
You realize "until all is accomplished" is referring to Jesus' Ministry, right? That's why much of the old testament is still applicable, but not a model for Christian behavior today. I can't really tell if you're agreeing with me or not. baddood;
Quote from: Bolivian Army on September 11, 2009, 12:28:15 PM
You realize "until all is accomplished" is referring to Jesus' Ministry, right? That's why much of the old testament is still applicable, but not a model for Christian behavior today. I can't really tell if you're agreeing with me or not. baddood;
Where does it say such is referring to "Jesus' ministry" since "until heaven and earth disappear" infers otherwise.
Quote from: JMV on September 11, 2009, 12:30:08 PM
Where does it say such is referring to "Jesus' ministry" since "until heaven and earth disappear" infers otherwise.
Well, for one, the chapter is called "Christ came to fulfill the law."
"until heaven and earth disappear" is confirming the full authority (Completely true, still applicable today, etc.) of the OT, like I said before.
I don't really see how it infers otherwise.
Quote from: Bolivian Army on September 11, 2009, 12:42:59 PM
Well, for one, the chapter is called "Christ came to fulfill the law."
"until heaven and earth disappear" is confirming the full authority (Completely true, still applicable today, etc.) of the OT, like I said before.
I don't really see how it infers otherwise.
Still applicable today like stoning your child for disobeying you?
Also next verses after what I posted:
Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Clearly shows that such rules, even least of such, are applicable.
Quote from: JMV on September 11, 2009, 12:49:58 PM
Also next verses after what I posted:
Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Clearly shows that such rules, even least of such, are applicable.
That's what I just said.
The rules haven't changed, it's still a sin to break the fifth commandment. But Jesus dieing on the cross changed the old way. That's why you don't see people sacrificing goats and stoning people. Back in the OT, they were foreshadowing the coming of Christ.
Quote from: JMV on September 11, 2009, 12:23:12 PM
There's people here that also hold the views that have plagued society and caused problems. They support preventing people from marrying someone they love. I think that's reason enough not "not let it go"
Their religion that they follow and use as a guide to their lives says so.
Yeah, so that's what they believe...so what? If they don't try to force it down your throat, why does it honestly matter to you, at least on Boyah?
Quote from: Bolivian Army on September 11, 2009, 12:59:40 PM
That's what I just said.
The rules haven't changed, it's still a sin to break the fifth commandment. But Jesus dieing on the cross changed the old way. That's why you don't see people sacrificing goats and stoning people. Back in the OT, they were foreshadowing the coming of Christ.
The rules stated that stoning people was required. Or is that rule specifically changed. akudood;
Quote from: JMV on September 11, 2009, 01:06:43 PM
The rules stated that stoning people was required. Or is that rule specifically changed. akudood;
No, the fifth commandment is different from Moses' punishment for violating it. Maybe I'm not being clear.
The entire OT is the expression of God's will but, according to the bible, is now to be taught according to Jesus' interpretation of its intent and meaning.
Quote from: Bolivian Army on September 11, 2009, 01:18:07 PM
No, the fifth commandment is different from Moses' punishment for violating it. Maybe I'm not being clear.
The entire OT is the expression of God's will but, according to the bible, is now to be taught according to Jesus' interpretation of its intent and meaning.
whoa goonish
Passage that says such?
Still even if it said so, which all Christians obviously don't believe, doesn't excuse jews which are still are religion.
well you go right ahead and give it to them jews jmv
give it to em real nice baddood;
Quote from: Bolivian Army on September 11, 2009, 03:42:24 PM
well you go right ahead and give it to them jews jmv
give it to em real nice baddood;
Find me some practicing jews and their penis mutilations and I wil. akudood;
I doubt the existence of god and the supernatural, but I can't deny that there's a possibility of it being true. I don't know if there is a Heaven, but I sure hope there is. I'd rather live in eternal paradise than rot in the ground. You'd either be a pompous "enlightened" asshole or just plain stupid to prefer rotting in the ground rather than eternal paradise.
Quote from: coz on September 11, 2009, 04:44:29 PM
I doubt the existence of god and the supernatural, but I can't deny that there's a possibility of it being true. I don't know if there is a Heaven, but I sure hope there is. I'd rather live in eternal paradise than rot in the ground. You'd either be a pompous "enlightened" asshole or just plain stupid to prefer rotting in the ground rather than eternal paradise.
im pretty sure your body stays in the ground even if you go to heaven
Quote from: Ezloﺕ on September 11, 2009, 05:29:12 PM
im pretty sure your body stays in the ground even if you go to heaven
thanks for the obvious, bro
There is no evidence behind religion so people should not pass it off as a fact. It can't even be a theory since there is no supporting evidence so it's not even a theory, if I believed in purple elephants that fly, people would tell me they don't exist and I could tell them that they could and then we'd be talking about God. akudood; It's not healthy to have blind faith.
Quote from: Rawl on September 11, 2009, 06:34:23 PM
There is no evidence behind religion so people should not pass it off as a fact. It can't even be a theory since there is no supporting evidence so it's not even a theory, if I believed in purple elephants that fly, people would tell me they don't exist and I could tell them that they could and then we'd be talking about God. akudood; It's not healthy to have blind faith.
You also cannot prove that there is no god. Seriously. What if there is a god who does nothing and is almighty, hence undetectable by us? It's bizarre and unlikely, but it's possible. It's like, we have no proof that there is a planet of ewoks on the other side of the universe, but we can't say there isn't.
And you have to understand that not everyone is comfortable with the idea of there being no god. I am, you are, but many people aren't. People gotta have something they believe in. Atheists even have something they believe in - their science, or just their self-security from having confidence that there is no god. There's many people who are poor, disadvantaged, and living terrible lives. There's only one man they look to, and that's Jesus. Why did Christianity become so popular in the first place? There's this concept of salvation with a strong appeal. People want to be saved, people want to believe they can repent and turn their lives around, and join god in heaven.
Now, really. Is there any harm in having a blind faith if you're doing good things out of it?
wow jmv
wow
Honestly though I think Kaz is being too soft about what he's trying to say. What he really means if that you need to shut the fuck up and we're all getting sick of your militant atheist attitude.
Quote from: coz on September 11, 2009, 06:47:33 PM
You also cannot prove that there is no god.
You cannot prove there is no Zeus/Unicorn/Mole People/Nazi space colony/lack of reality/matrix/buffalo musical/rancid dorito/fsm/anything.
QuoteSeriously. What if there is a god who does nothing and is almighty, hence undetectable by us?
Most attacks against a god are against a personal god.
You won't find atheists, in most cases, even Dawkins arguing against a pantheistic god.
QuoteIt's bizarre and unlikely, but it's possible. It's like, we have no proof that there is a planet of ewoks on the other side of the universe, but we can't say there isn't.
I, for one, am agnostic to the existence of Ewoks and Wookies. Also the Borg.
QuoteAnd you have to understand that not everyone is comfortable with the idea of there being no god.
I'm uncomfortable walking in Dorchester, MA without a knife at night. It doesn't change anything.
QuoteI am, you are, but many people aren't.
This is why I'm going to tell all of my kids that no one dies. Instead they gain the super power of invisibility and fly to the moon. I will prevent them from learning otherwise.
QuotePeople gotta have something they believe in.
how about humanism that works.
QuoteAtheists even have something they believe in - their science, or just their self-security from having confidence that there is no god.
what are you smoking
QuoteThere's many people who are poor, disadvantaged, and living terrible lives. There's only one man they look to, and that's Jesus.
They then vote for fiscal conservatives and continue living poor, disadvantaged lives because the fiscal conservatives generally have the same religious beliefs as them.
QuoteWhy did Christianity become so popular in the first place? There's this concept of salvation with a strong appeal. People want to be saved, people want to believe they can repent and turn their lives around, and join god in heaven.
I thought it became popular after it became the official religion of the Roman Empire and it was forced upon people.
QuoteNow, really. Is there any harm in having a blind faith if you're doing good things out of it?
You provided no "good things." That's opting to take Advil rather than getting a broken bone set.
Quote from: RDX on September 11, 2009, 07:04:17 PM
wow jmv
wow
Honestly though I think Kaz is being too soft about what he's trying to say. What he really means if that you need to shut the fuck up and we're all getting sick of your militant atheist attitude.
Who is "we're all"?
And I don't think I need to since he ignored my post and continued to post shit. hocuspocus;
it looks like you ignored that post too.
Don't worry, we can discuss it in Hell together <3
No one gives a fuck about your facts though. That's our point but you keep missing it entirely. It's as if you're blind or something. They're your beliefs; you can believe what you want. But don't try to shove it down all of our throats, because that's just fucking annoying.
"We're all" is everyone. I don't even take part in these religion arguments, but I still read them, and they still irritate me. I wouldn't be surprised if even some of the atheists here find your super atheist attitude annoying.
also i dont care if i used the semicolon wrong :|
Quote from: RDX on September 11, 2009, 07:38:47 PM
No one gives a fuck about your facts though.
This sums up religion as a whole. thumbup;
QuoteThat's our point but you keep missing it entirely. It's as if you're blind or something. They're your beliefs; you can believe what you want. But don't try to shove it down all of our throats, because that's just fucking annoying.
They're my
lack of beliefs and they're not being shoved down anyone's throat. baddood;
Quote"We're all" is everyone. I don't even take part in these religion arguments, but I still read them, and they still irritate me. I wouldn't be surprised if even some of the atheists here find your super atheist attitude annoying.
Just Kaz but I'm pretty sure that's related to his girlfriend which is a bit silly since the beliefs I'm attacking are what causes both of them a lot of trouble and, if he read my post, he'd see the part how the beliefs think they should both be killed and tortured.
surely something that should be left alone mirite.
Quote
also i dont care if i used the semicolon wrong :|
You used a semicolon?
oh you did. oh ho ho
Quote from: JMV on September 11, 2009, 07:48:25 PM
This sums up religion as a whole. thumbup;
n this sums up how annoying you are when it comes to arguing as a whole
QuoteThey're my lack of beliefs and they're not being shoved down anyone's throat. baddood;
They're your beliefs in the lack of existence of God and your belief that science can answer anything.
and if you're not then why am i gagging?
QuoteJust Kaz but I'm pretty sure that's related to his girlfriend which is a bit silly since the beliefs I'm attacking are what causes both of them a lot of trouble and, if he read my post, he'd see the part how the beliefs think they should both be killed and tortured.
but jmv we're not arguing about religion. we're arguing about how you're obsessed with showing everyone your atheistic beliefs.
we're arguing about jmv
QuoteYou used a semicolon?
oh you did. oh ho ho
yes i do use punctuation sometimes.
Quote from: RDX on September 11, 2009, 07:54:55 PM
n this sums how annoying you are when it comes to arguing as a whole
I'll refrain from using actual facts and take the approach I normally get and make shit up on the fly and provide no citations. I mean that will be far less annoying not having to back up anything I say ^__________^
QuoteThey're your beliefs in the lack of existence of God
It's actually my lack of a belief in any gods.
Quoteand your belief that science can answer anything
I know from your earlier comment that you view facts as a bad thing, but would you like to link to where I claimed this?
[spoiler]I never claimed that.[/spoiler]
Quoteand if you're not then why am i gagging?
The islam your forced down your throat?
Quotebut jmv we're not arguing about religion. we're arguing about how you're obsessed with showing everyone your atheistic beliefs.
i'm obsessed with using facts rather than unquantifiable claims. a simple solution is for people to provide me with such. then we all win
Quote
yes i do use punctuation sometimes.
i dare you to use a comma next
JMV, seriously. No one gives a fuck.
You're the kind of person who breaks down posts, I can see, but I'm not going to bother. The point is that some people like having religions, and most people with a religion don't use it as a force of wrongdoing. For centuries, religions have shoved their believes down throats, condemning those who don't follow the same god. This idea of taking down religion and telling everyone they're wrong is no different from what they've done.
You're going to respond to me and say something about how you're not hating X you're just hating Y but that's just stupid. The point is that you can't find peace by starting a war.
Quote from: coz on September 11, 2009, 08:02:50 PM
JMV, seriously. No one gives a fuck.
Yet you're still replying.
QuoteYou're the kind of person who breaks down posts,
Shush, don't let RDX see those
facts.
QuoteI can see, but I'm not going to bother.
It makes it easier to reply to each specific point.
QuoteThe point is that some people like having religions, and most people with a religion don't use it as a force of wrongdoing.
Some people like having drug addictions too.
QuoteFor centuries, religions have shoved their believes down throats, condemning those who don't follow the same god. This idea of taking down religion and telling everyone they're wrong is no different from what they've done.
Tell me it's no different when it becomes acceptable to openly state you want to kill religious people and discriminate against them.
QuoteYou're going to respond to me and say something about how you're not hating X you're just hating Y but that's just stupid.
What is stupid? Hating ancient views which harm people but not those suckered into believing them?
A christian who selectively picks from the New Testament (though this is preferable, like BA) would seem to claim this is exactly what their religion teaches. Hate sin but don't hate the sinners? Hate disillusion but don't hate the disillusioned.
i can start hating them if that's less stupid idklol
QuoteThe point is that you can't find peace by starting a war.
Telling someone that telling a belief system govern their lives and that belief system are stupid != starting a war.
I guess JMV is just stupid for wanting the world to progress and not hide behind some veil of ignorance that feeds lies into people. akudood; I guess it's bad trying to tell people the flaws in religion and why it allows for hatred, racism, and just plain stupidity. It's not healthy to believe in magic, and people are trying to enforce this shit in our Government, we need to educate people so they don't support these bullshit laws.
The irony is that I only bring up "my atheism" in reply to someone bringing up their religion.
Apparently they can bring up how they believe in God but if I bring up how it's silly and I do not I am a super militant atheist.
[spoiler=lol image from reddit](http://www.cianboland.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/militancy.jpg)[/spoiler]
simple solution: stfu about your "lol my fairy tale is so perfect" and I won't tell you how silly it is.
Have I ever quoted Det, Veal, or YPR in the chat thread randomly and went off about religion?
YPR: Hey guys, I was just watching the game at a party with my girlfriend
JMV: LOL I BET YOU WORSHIPPED GOD THERE YOU FAGGOT HE'S NOT REAL OMG
No.
edit: sorry rdx I think i went over my fact quota.
So, you're saying there is no such thing as Christians who are friendly to non-Christians and don't let their religion govern their lives? You'd like to free people from the eternal prison of religion? This reminds me of the Cold War.
Quote from: coz on September 11, 2009, 08:28:13 PM
So, you're saying there is no such thing as Christians who are friendly to non-Christians
I did not say that. But are
you saying these people would not be friendly without religion? I think that they would.
Or are you going to support the argument "BUT WITHOUT GOD WHAT WOULD STOP US FROM RAPING AND MURDERING PEOPL!?"
What I was saying that there are people who are taught the religion as it is written who attempt to control the lives of others and ensure their beliefs are fed to children in schools. Without a religion and "lol you have to respect their views!!!!" that wouldn't be happening.
Quoteand don't let their religion govern their lives?
See above.
QuoteYou'd like to free people from the eternal prison of religion?
[citation needed]
QuoteThis reminds me of the Cold War.
You're baiting me to make a comment bashing religion aren't you?
oh rdx, i thought of something for you:
in 1985 scientists prove in a variety of experiments that god does not exist
Quote from: coz on September 11, 2009, 08:28:13 PM
So, you're saying there is no such thing as Christians who are friendly to non-Christians and don't let their religion govern their lives? You'd like to free people from the eternal prison of religion? This reminds me of the Cold War.
You're being part of a group that does do that, it's like saying you're part of the mafia that helps some people only but still are part of the mafia that kills people. It's just childish to believe in such a thing, why can't people believe that you should do as much as you can while you're still alive so you're not forgotten in time like the millions of others? Not "hay its cool if you don't do anything with your life, Jesus is waiting for you in heaven and so is everyone else ^____^", having no religion in the world would benefit it by so much, if you can't see that than you're just blinded by the filters you were raised to believe in. If you were never introduced to a belief like that, chances are you wouldn't believe in a god, someone you know or met sugarcoated religion to you as a kid and told you it was a good thing. My parents didn't take me to church so I slowly started questioning what benefits are there for being religious and supporting a cult in which many of the people do horrible things to others. akudood;
There is a difference between religion and doing something bad in the name of it.
Quote[citation needed]
Well, you sure are pushing that whatever you're saying is correct. That's generally why anyone would push their beliefs - to get the other person out of theirs.
In science classes, you learn that you have bone marrow inside your bones. This is regarded as a fact because scientists have researched it. Have you ever cut off one of your limbs to look for the bone marrow? Can you prove from your own experiences that you have bone marrow and that is a fact?
Too many facts we do not discover ourselves; we learn them from others. How do you know that all of these people sharing these tidbits of "facts" aren't lying? How do you know that your skull is white and not green, or that your heart isn't spherical?
You just can't stop human nature. If people are not going to blindly believe in god, they can still blindly believe that god is false. There's many kinds of people in the world, and no matter how much you try, the elements of faith and belief exist in all of us. Believers take comfort in feeling that there is a god above them. Non-believers take comfort in that they have rejected religion.
I'm pretty sure you're not really taking in much I'm saying. I'm talking abstractly here. But to get answers, you must ask questions, and you must re-evaluate everything. Everything I'm saying could be wrong, but it could be right. If you're going to believe in something, believe that people have their ideas, you've got yours, and there's no need for placing your ideas above theirs.
Quote from: coz on September 11, 2009, 08:56:27 PM
There is a difference between religion and doing something bad in the name of it.
Yet when they do something bad in the name of it we aren't allowed to say anything because "lol militant atheism"
QuoteWell, you sure are pushing that whatever you're saying is correct. That's generally why anyone would push their beliefs - to get the other person out of theirs.
The difference being I don't threaten and I provide facts.
QuoteIn science classes, you learn that you have bone marrow inside your bones. This is regarded as a fact because scientists have researched it. Have you ever cut off one of your limbs to look for the bone marrow? Can you prove from your own experiences that you have bone marrow and that is a fact?
doodthing;
I stopped taking you seriously here.
QuoteToo many facts we do not discover ourselves; we learn them from others. How do you know that all of these people sharing these tidbits of "facts" aren't lying? How do you know that your skull is white and not green, or that your heart isn't spherical?
I've seen skulls and other bones.
I've seen images of my heart.
QuoteYou just can't stop human nature. If people are not going to blindly believe in god, they can still blindly believe that god is false. There's many kinds of people in the world, and no matter how much you try, the elements of faith and belief exist in all of us. Believers take comfort in feeling that there is a god above them
As I said before....actually, I'll quote Marx:
"religion is the opiate of the masses."
QuoteNon-believers take comfort in that they have rejected religion.
oh you are such a jokester
QuoteI'm pretty sure you're not really taking in much I'm saying. I'm talking abstractly here.
Yeah, I stopped taking you seriously after the bone marrow argument.
QuoteBut to get answers, you must ask questions
Hey isn't that like me repeatedly asking for actual evidence of God existing that isn't the BIble?!?
Quoteand you must re-evaluate everything. Everything I'm saying could be wrong, but it could be right. If you're going to believe in something, believe that people have their ideas, you've got yours, and there's no need for placing your ideas above theirs.
Ideas that are the result of scientific processes are generally more educated, more well-formed ideas.
you seem to be posting a lot for not giving a fuck
Well, I guess it's not worth arguing anymore.
I don't belive in god. Some people do, and some of those people are good people. Criticize the wrongs of religion, go ahead. I'll be with you there. But you can't just slam religion completely. Why not just encourage the devoutly religious to look at positive ideals of the bible, like loving everyone and being equal under god?
Also, my bone marrow arguement is pretty unrealistic, I know. But what if everyone's lying to you? What if the world and everyone popped up two days before you were born and everything is a lie? It wouldn't make any sense. But there's a possibility of anything.
Religion is simply a part of sociology. It's something that can be used for terrible things and great things as well.
Wow it's nice to see that JMV loves me so much that he takes stabs at me in (almost) every post he's been making.
QuoteI'll refrain from using actual facts and take the approach I normally get and make shit up on the fly and provide no citations. I mean that will be far less annoying not having to back up anything I say ^__________^
But the point is that not every little thing has to be turned into some fucking huge fight. I'm not saying that you need to make shit up in order to support your argument, I'm saying your argument shouldn't even
exist.
This isn't about your cherished little "facts". This is about you arguing over everything you see.
Quoteand your belief that science can answer anything
I know from your earlier comment that you view facts as a bad thing, but would you like to link to where I claimed this?
If science can't answer everything then what else can?
And I'm not going to go hunt down sources for every thing I say. This argument isn't a big deal to me. My purpose for this whole thing is to tell you to just shut up and let people do what they want to do.
QuoteThe islam your forced down your throat?
that's funny because the reason why you're so damn stubborn and close minded is because you shoved atheism down yours.
btw jmv what you stated there isn't a fact, it's an assumption. a false one at that. how dare you say something that is not factual.
Quotei'm obsessed with using facts rather than unquantifiable claims. a simple solution is for people to provide me with such. then we all win
jmv, remember when i brought up some study by the who and the cdc saying that gay buttsex has a greater chance of giving you aids versus vaginal sex? and how you told me "durr hurp i dunno i dont believe those studies are true" and i was like, "but it's the fucking cdc"?
your view of facts is incredibly subjective. i can probably find facts to support either side of any argument, but if i truly want to convince myself that one side is correct i'll ignore the other side and focus on mine. dont tell me you're just being rational. you're not. you're the least rational person i know.
Quotei dare you to use a comma next
;,;
Anyway, I'm done here. Like, for real. You're probably just going to write something totally retarded in response to this about how much you love facts and how I'm a hater, and I don't care enough to reply to it.
And for the record I'm not pissed or anything. I just think you act retarded too often and you don't realize how much of a hypocrite you are when you're harping about radical religious folk who force their beliefs on people.
Quote from: coz on September 11, 2009, 06:07:19 PM
thanks for the obvious, bro
so your body would rot no matter what hurr durr derp
Quote from: RDX on September 11, 2009, 10:21:28 PM
Wow it's nice to see that JMV loves me so much that he takes stabs at me in (almost) every post he's been making.
You've been the first person I've personally encountered who actually criticized someone for using facts. <3
QuoteBut the point is that not every little thing has to be turned into some fucking huge fight.
like what
QuoteI'm not saying that you need to make shit up in order to support your argument, I'm saying your argument shouldn't even exist.
I can't let you do that, Dave.
QuoteThis isn't about your cherished little "facts". This is about you arguing over everything you see.
Why is facts in quotes? Are facts bad? OH wait, 72 virgins and some one eyed thing.
Not really everything. Just when people bring up their myths and pass them off as facts.
QuoteIf science can't answer everything then what else can?
It's science's job to attempt to explain everything and if it can't, to try to explain it the best it can.
Not everything needs "lol answer", and definitely doesn't need a god to fill in the blanks.
QuoteAnd I'm not going to go hunt down sources for every thing I say.
i wonder if sources would cut down my possible arguments :O
QuoteThis argument isn't a big deal to me
you sure are investing a lot of time in it.
QuoteMy purpose for this whole thing is to tell you to just shut up and let people do what they want to do.
Fe-y
Quotethat's funny because the reason why you're so damn stubborn and close minded is because you shoved atheism down yours.
Jesus.fucking.christ. Watch this video again. Goddamn you are a damn moron.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI[/youtube]
How many fucking times are you guys going to go 'LOL HURP DURP YOU REGJECT MAH RELIGION EVEN THOUGH YOU REALLY HAVE GIVEN THOUGHT TO IT U R CLOSE MIND BUT MINE IS OPEN EXCEPT THERE HAS TO BE A GOD THAT IS ONLY EXPLANATION' god damn.
Quotebtw jmv what you stated there isn't a fact, it's an assumption. a false one at that. how dare you say something that is not factual.
i'm sure mommy and daddy would be thrilled if you were an atheist. and don't you dislike facts
Quotejmv, remember when i brought up some study by the who and the cdc saying that gay buttsex has a greater chance of giving you aids versus vaginal sex? and how you told me "durr hurp i dunno i dont believe those studies are true" and i was like, "but it's the fucking cdc"?
Because there was an equal amount of studies, even by the same organizations that stated otherwise. And it was related to circumcision not anal sex.
Quoteyour view of facts is incredibly subjective. i can probably find facts to support either side of any argument, but if i truly want to convince myself that one side is correct i'll ignore the other side and focus on mine. dont tell me you're just being rational. you're not. you're the least rational person i know.
yeah i'm so irrational that i believe that people come back from the dead.
wait
but really I've been provided with no facts suggesting that God exists other than "lol read da bible", I've repeatedly asked for such. Don't blame me blame yourself and the christians who bitch about such yet know they have yet to attempt to do so.
rational:
Quoteconsistent with or based on or using reason; "rational behavior"; "a process of rational inference"; "rational thought"
intellectual: of or associated with or requiring the use of the mind; "intellectual problems"; "the triumph of the rational over the animal side of man"
Asking for evidence is not being irrational.
You go to court and accuse someone of murder. For evidence you present "he has scratches on his hand signifying a struggle while strangling the victim". The defense provides a rebuttal "My client works in an animal shelter with abused cats and was scratched trying to rescue a cat".
Why is it irrational and closed minded to expect the same, if not more, standard of reason when questioning the existence of God?
"God created the world in 7 days and man from dust"
Rebuttal:
'Life began as a result of abiogenesis wherein nucleotides trapped in dense bubbles began to duplicate themselves and 'eat' eachother via osmosis, evidenced by such a recreation in a lab (http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/05/ribonucleotides/), it then furthered its development through evolution using natural and sexual selection'
Such a view is not irrational or closedminded. It's the opposite, really. Requiring evidence for such creates a basis of reason.
Quote;,;
omg
QuoteAnyway, I'm done here. Like, for real. You're probably just going to write something totally retarded in response to this about how much you love facts and how I'm a hater, and I don't care enough to reply to it.
aww man
p.s.: dear everyone. I would like to state that President Obama, John McCain, and I are all unicorns from Jupiter. Please do not be closed minded and ask for evidence and reject this hypothesis. Have an open mind and accept this.
thank you, the unicorns for an open mind society
Isn't that where the whole "faith" thing comes in?
Regardless, I cant really understand the amount of hostility being thrown around.
Quote from: Son Of Stallion Vol.13 on September 11, 2009, 11:48:39 PM
Regardless, I cant really understand the amount of hostility being thrown around.
It's just a dire need to be correct.
Quote from: Son Of Stallion Vol.13 on September 11, 2009, 11:48:39 PM
Isn't that where the whole "faith" thing comes in?
yes.
however, rejecting "faith" isn't being closedminded like he claimed.
Being closed-minded is being presented with evidence of something that you may not believe, and refusing to consider it.
It is not being closed-minded to not consider such when you are provided with no reasonable evidence. The other way around seems to make him look closed-minded. Being presented with arguments backed by evidence contrary to what he believes and going "neenerneener not listening atheist have an open mind" is closed minded. i really fail how see how he can accuse someone of being closed minded for rejecting an argument with no evidence to back it up while simultaneously rejecting scientific fact with observable and recreatable evidence because "faith" requires none.
QuoteRegardless, I cant really understand the amount of hostility being thrown around.
srs
But really "hey i hate when jmv brings up atheism so let's bring up religion and then ask jmv not to express his opinion while i get to express mine xD"
Quote from: Kaz on September 11, 2009, 11:59:38 PM
It's just a dire need to be correct.
I propose confining Galileo to his home.
fun fact: OS X's spell checker doesn't recognize Galileo as a word.
Quote from: JMV on September 12, 2009, 12:02:39 AM
But really "hey i hate when jmv brings up atheism so let's bring up religion and then ask jmv not to express his opinion while i get to express mine xD"
that's not it at all psyduck;
guys i thought this finished what the hell
Quote from: Kaz on September 12, 2009, 12:09:26 AM
that's not it at all psyduck;
Find a thread in which I attacked religion that does not meet the following :
1. In serious discussion (obvious why)
2. Not in reply to what I find to be a stupid action motivated by religion (e.g. RDX and Kaz bitching at me in Veal's thread when Veal further explained it later and I dropped the religion thing until
others, specifically you brought it up)
3. uh i can't think of 3 so there you go 2 requirements. oh within the last year. Don't go pulling up a 2 year old post i made to troll a select 3 users. baddood;
go
Quote from: Bolivian Army on September 12, 2009, 12:10:51 AM
guys i thought this finished what the hell
i'm not really sure what they're trying to get at now i'm just waiting for kaz to read my post lol
p.s. i'll see you behind the lobby ;)
Quote from: Kaz on September 12, 2009, 12:11:49 AM
apparently not
hmm did you read my post
Quote from: JMV on September 12, 2009, 12:15:59 AM
Find a thread in which I attacked religion that does not meet the following :
1. In serious discussion (obvious why)
2. Not in reply to what I find to be a stupid action motivated by religion (e.g. RDX and Kaz bitching at me in Veal's thread when Veal further explained it later and I dropped the religion thing until others, specifically you brought it up)
3. uh i can't think of 3 so there you go 2 requirements. oh within the last year. Don't go pulling up a 2 year old post i made to troll a select 3 users. baddood;
go
you only said this because you know full well that i don't have that kind of memory or patience
Quote from: Kaz on September 12, 2009, 12:26:31 AM
you only said this because you know full well that i don't have that kind of memory or patience
so you have memories of me doing stuff but you are suddenly blanking on when i do it.
that is funny kaz
Quote from: JMV on September 12, 2009, 12:28:09 AM
so you have memories of me doing stuff but you are suddenly blanking on when i do it.
that is funny kaz
it was actually supposed to be a bit humorous, so thanks
but seriously, no, i can't recall specific events, i'm just speaking from what i have observed over time...i might be accidentally exaggerating a bit of course, but it just seems to me that it happens a lot.
i don't really understand what i did wrong for pointing that out and asking that you maybe calm it down a bit. it's not really any different than asking someone to quit spamming the same post over and over again, or to quit alternating between gay and self-loathing on a postly basis (lol chat thread).
i mean, you're free to express what you want, really, it's not like i could stop you even if i wanted to
do what you want, i guess
well i dont recall doing such unless it was merited (again serious discussion or that thread where veal's post without clarification made it seem like his girlfriend broke up with him because of god).
and that is what this entire thing has been about. baddood;
there is nothing to calm down except the fact that 3303030 people quoted a post after veal and i resolved it so blame yourself and rdx for that
well, i seem to recall seeing it more often, but whatever
Quote from: JMV on September 12, 2009, 12:37:08 AM
so blame yourself and rdx for that
okay
you're a bad lawyer kaz
Quote from: JMV on September 12, 2009, 12:47:34 AM
you're a bad lawyer kaz
when i was like 13 i wanted to grow up to be a lawyer
somewhere down the line i discovered that i couldn't argue for shit, and that it just depressed me anyway and i always eventually gave up
so yeah i know i'm a bad lawyer
just thought i'd try to point out something that was bothering me, but it didn't work
because you're a bad lawyer baddood;
its ok you are good at being kaz happydood;
Quote from: JMV on September 11, 2009, 08:19:38 PM
Have I ever quoted Det, Veal, or YPR in the chat thread randomly and went off about religion?
YPR: Hey guys, I was just watching the game at a party with my girlfriend
JMV: LOL I BET YOU WORSHIPPED GOD THERE YOU FAGGOT HE'S NOT REAL OMG
oh my god, i fucking lol'd.
Now will people stop saying that we're attacking their beliefs when we correct someone who brings up religion? There is no difference if you bring up religion, since you're attacking our beliefs. akudood; Some people in this forum need to learn the scientific method again. Theories are credible when they have any form of proof, religion should not be "considered" in any type of theory since there is no evidence.
JMV, two questions:
1) You are able to choose if heaven exists. You can choose to live in an eternal paradise or have your existence end when you die. Which would you choose?
2) You have a son and you've raised him to be an atheist. He is nine years old, and isn't really old enough to reason as to why god is not real. He comes home from school and tells you that he wants to be a Christian. How would you feel? What would you do?
Quote from: coz on September 12, 2009, 08:26:18 AM
JMV, two questions:
1) You are able to choose if heaven exists. You can choose to live in an eternal paradise or have your existence end when you die. Which would you choose?
2) You have a son and you've raised him to be an atheist. He is nine years old, and isn't really old enough to reason as to why god is not real. He comes home from school and tells you that he wants to be a Christian. How would you feel? What would you do?
1.) State the requirements for living in that paradise.
2.) That's a silly argument because I will not make any arguments specifically confirming or denying the existence of God and would only explain that other people believe in gods and that I do not once they were old enough to understand.
however, if my kid came home saying that I would probably be forced to explain it then rather than when they were old enough to understand. I would probably then
kill and devour report their teacher for preaching in the class room.
If I explained and my kid still didn't understand I would be disappointed but I'd let them go.
1) Let's say that it's a paradise everyone goes to. No hell or anything.
2) I was asuming the kid got it from a student or something, ah well, I get the point. You'd be dissappointed, and that's how religious parents can be. The bigoted ones would be very angry, but a lot of parents are disappointed that their children have given up Christianity.
The "shoving down throats" concept from parents is inevitible, unless the parents are crazily open-minded.
Really, though, you can't tell whether one man's beliefs are better than another. It's all in perspective. "Enlightening" the world out of religion, as some would say, isn't going to solve religious problems. It's a matter of the world learning to respect the fact that people think differently from themselves. Some people like having faiths, people have their reasons, and most of the faithful are at heart, good people. I know you've gotten shit for being an atheist. Religion has been a bitch to me, too (my mom is a bigoted fascist). But I feel that as long as the atheist is a friend to the Christian and Muslim, the Christian and Muslim will remember that god wants them to love everyone, and it will come back.
And anyways, America will probably be like half atheist in thirty years.
Quote from: coz on September 12, 2009, 10:34:51 AM
1) Let's say that it's a paradise everyone goes to. No hell or anything.
Sure then
Quote2) I was asuming the kid got it from a student or something, ah well, I get the point. You'd be dissappointed, and that's how religious parents can be. The bigoted ones would be very angry, but a lot of parents are disappointed that their children have given up Christianity.
The disappointment would come from their lack of understanding and not religion. I also wouldn't go out like a religious parent and tell the kid "omg i am disappointed but i still uv you" that's still inflicting guilt.
Quote
And anyways, America will probably be like half atheist in thirty years.
ew I'll be like 50 then
Quote from: Kaz on September 11, 2009, 11:18:26 AM
I'm not reading any of that long stuff, but let me just say this:
Quote from: Kaz on September 11, 2009, 11:59:38 PM
It's just a dire need to be correct.
Quote from: Son Of Stallion Vol.13 on September 11, 2009, 11:48:32 AM
I have yet to see someone seriously trying to defend without "oh you're a fucking idiot, here's why" thrown right back in their face.
Quote from: RDX on September 11, 2009, 07:04:17 PM
Honestly though I think Kaz is being too soft about what he's trying to say. What he really means if that you need to shut the fuck up and we're all getting sick of your militant atheist attitude.
oh my god you're all idiots akudood;
you ask questions and then complain when you get answers, get involved in debates and then declare that continuing them is pointless, and this is all from at least four or five different users at the same fucking time
i mean seriously what the fuck this is the serious discussion board you fucking retarded fucking goddamn shitting fucking retards
sure i think jmv is often too hostile, but goddamn you're all just playing the victim after showing up to a duel with a fucking duck that's right you didn't even bring a gun you brought a duck because you're fucking retarded akudood;
akudood;
maybe the duck has fangs
Quote from: psychopickle on September 13, 2009, 12:15:36 AM
maybe the duck has fangs
i doubt a duck, fanged or otherwise, could outrun a bullet at twenty paces
At least Guff makes some sense. baddood;
also i have another sock monkey now baddood;
I haven't found one I like as good as "Guff". saddood;
Quote from: FAMY2 on September 13, 2009, 07:01:19 PM
At least Guff makes some sense. baddood;
yes but does he have a fanged duck no because he is dumb
Quote from: guff on September 12, 2009, 11:57:53 PM
guff guff guff
but guff ive already stated that i no longer debate with jmv. im just saying that watching him tear people apart is annoying because he does it every chance he gets.
gosh what a douche
Quote from: RDX on September 13, 2009, 10:01:16 PM
but guff ive already stated that i no longer debate with jmv. im just saying that watching him tear people apart is annoying because he does it every chance he gets.
gosh what a douche
maybe you should stop being a pussy
Quote from: Ezloﺕ on September 14, 2009, 07:57:00 PM
maybe you should stop being a pussy
everyone complains about me being a hardass, so i figure ok fine i'll lighten up a little, and now im a pussy?!?!?!?
omg its like i can never please nobody
Quote from: RDX on September 15, 2009, 01:59:57 AM
everyone complains about me being a hardass, so i figure ok fine i'll lighten up a little, and now im a pussy?!?!?!?
omg its like i can never please nobody
Why even bother? It's only Boyah. n_u
Quote from: King Shishkebaboo on September 15, 2009, 02:32:59 PM
Why even bother? It's only Boyah. n_u
Shut up you fag, stop being so
sarcastic.
Wow, I seem to have missed a lot... Yet somehow my name still came up a bunch. Cool, I'm going back to the bomb shelter girl;
Quote from: YPR on September 15, 2009, 04:48:07 PM
Wow, I seem to have missed a lot... Yet somehow my name still came up a bunch. Cool, I'm going back to the bomb shelter girl;
LOL I BET YOU WORSHIPPED GOD THERE YOU FAGGOT HE'S NOT REAL OMG