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Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 07:13:06 PMEven before it launched, I was hesitant about the 5X's size. I already thought the Nexus 4 bezels were bad for its time, but the 5X had even worse bezels, and the Pixel somehow has worse yet
Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 07:13:06 PM(codename sailfish? more like crimson_chin).
Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 07:13:06 PMIt's silly that the RAM didn't increase at all three years later and at $80 higher launch price (N4 was $350). From 2011-2013, Google's phones doubled in RAM every year, then they just kept 2GB for four years in a row across the Nexus 4, 5, 6, and 5X.
Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 07:13:06 PMThis is the first time I seriously wanted to upgrade to a new phone only one year later. Both the Nexus 4 and Nexus S lasted me more than two years after I got them before seriously needing an upgrade.
Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 07:13:06 PMCorrection on my last post: it was $429 at launch for 32GB, not $420, so even worse. The 16GB version (why) was $379.
Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 07:13:06 PMWhat $200 phones available today do you actually think are better than the 5X? How about even $250? For example, Moto G4 is $200 (2GB, 16GB storage) and G5 is $300 (4GB, 64GB storage), and both of them have drastically weaker SoC and much worse camera than the 5X.
Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 07:13:06 PMAdding to this, I saw some claims around the time it was announced that the Nexus 6P existing is partly to blame for the 5X's awful pricing too. For 32GB models, the 5X ($429) was only $70 less than the 6P ($499), as if Google wanted to avoid pushing people to the 5X with a price gap.
Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 07:13:06 PMWell, prices for the Pixel don't exactly mean much, considering even the small model is overpriced by at least like $200. Matching the iPhone in the US and even drastically exceeding it in every other country is crazy, considering even when you ignore the cut corners it's more comparable to the Galaxy S7 which has been priced lower since launch and dropped even more in the months before Pixel's launch.
Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 08:07:35 PMYeah, you'd probably like the S8+ if those details are what you want. You could even import the better Exynos version, but I'm not sure if that works with Band 12.
Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 08:07:35 PMBy the way, even though the extra-tall ratio (18.5:9) makes the S8+ measure 6.2" diagonally, its width actually matches what you'd get from a 5.53" 16:9 phone. The XZ Premium and OnePlus 5 have 5.5" displays too.
Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 08:07:35 PMIf you really want more than 4GB, I guess OnePlus is your only option. Or Mi 6, but I doubt you want to consider that.The new big Pixel might meet what you want too: current rumors say it's SD835 with 4GB RAM and a 6.0" display with smaller bezels.
Quote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 08:07:35 PMOn the other hand, the current rumors for the smaller Pixel paint an awful picture: keeps the huge bezels but adds dual front-facing speakers, loses the headphone jack, and is otherwise the same besides upgrading the SoC from SD821 to SD835. If this turns out to be true, I'm buying a 2016 Pixel as soon as the imminent replacement causes its first price drop ever.
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 25, 2017, 10:52:18 PMQuote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 07:13:06 PMEven before it launched, I was hesitant about the 5X's size. I already thought the Nexus 4 bezels were bad for its time, but the 5X had even worse bezels, and the Pixel somehow has worse yethow is this even possible
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 25, 2017, 10:52:18 PMand that's why i'm so bothered by the fact that there are so few options with >4gb of ram in 2017: my cheap 2015 shitphone had that much at launch
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 25, 2017, 10:52:18 PMalso, the moto g line in particular is another series of phones whose level of popularity today is completely unwarrantedthe very first moto g had a wonderful price:value ratioevery moto g since has been underpowered absolute slopto think i almost bought one of the things in 2015 before i discovered the zenfone loli'd probably have felt compelled to buy a new device at the end of my first year with the moto g 2
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 25, 2017, 10:57:14 PMand they fail every time, which is why the nexus line bombed, and why the pixels will next, unless they change their strategy
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 26, 2017, 12:14:06 AMit does, but sadly importing is way more expensive than buying domesticallyit'd be over 2x what i would pay here for the inferior 835 variant
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 26, 2017, 12:14:06 AMi definitely appreciate the fact that its unusual aspect ratio makes it narrower than most 5.5" phones
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 26, 2017, 12:14:06 AMQuote from: bluaki on June 25, 2017, 08:07:35 PMIf you really want more than 4GB, I guess OnePlus is your only option. Or Mi 6, but I doubt you want to consider that.The new big Pixel might meet what you want too: current rumors say it's SD835 with 4GB RAM and a 6.0" display with smaller bezels.a shame that all of these are hugely compromised in other important ways
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 26, 2017, 12:14:06 AMand this is why the pixel series will prove to be google's next nexus-tier failed experiment
Quote from: bluaki on June 26, 2017, 01:39:36 AMTo be fair, 4GB was pretty rare in 2015, I think all the major flagships only had 3GB.I feel like you can probably at least partially attribute the stagnation to Qualcomm. It's clearly possible to have more than 4GB on an SD835, but there might be some sort of weird tradeoffs like memory bandwidth or latency thanks to limitations in the memory controller. I don't know, I'm just speculating, but with what I know about hardware I think that sounds like a plausible explanation for why only someone like OnePlus would do it.Planned obsolescence is clearly a design goal with all the major smartphone manufacturers. With how much perceived performance has stagnated, they probably want to draw out what little improvements are left so that there's still clear improvement every year and more manufactured reason to give up the older devices. That means, regardless whether it's easy to add or within the budget of all the flagships, you're not getting 8GB RAM this year.Still, for a phone, 4GB should be good, especially if you choose a vendor that doesn't consume half of that with heavily skinned SystemUI and home screen. For some more context of scale: even if you multitask a lot, it's probably nowhere near comparable to how much stuff you would keep open on a laptop, and even the premium laptops still go with 8GB standard while 4GB is very common with cheaper models and 16GB is pretty much entirely reserved to the "pay a lot extra to add this extra premium option on your already-premium laptop" tier.
Quote from: bluaki on June 26, 2017, 01:39:36 AMI feel like there's some sort of consensus lately that phone specs are good enough now that there's hardly any reason to go for flagships anymore, but I don't hear much of anything about actual examples anymore. Maybe people just don't talk about them as much anymore, or at least not at any of the places I check. Most of the time I check Amazon or whatever, I find that older flagships seem generally better for the same price than new lower-tier devices.
Quote from: bluaki on June 26, 2017, 01:39:36 AMI don't know if this phenomenon also has a name, but I feel like Google might've been betting on the idea that people perceive higher-priced items as better... and they might've been, unfortunately, right about that. "It's the same price as the iPhone, so it's just as good" is likely what they were going for.
Quote from: bluaki on June 26, 2017, 01:39:36 AMThe Pixel 2 XXL doesn't have any compromises confirmed yet. I'm sure they'll come with time, of course.The comment I said about the headphone jack applies just to the smaller version, the source specifically says the bigger one does have a headphone jack in contrast.
Quote from: bluaki on June 26, 2017, 01:39:36 AMWill your opinion change if/when the Google SoC is ready for consumers and put in Pixel devices?
Quote from: bluaki on June 26, 2017, 01:39:36 AMbut yeah, the current rumors are a mess. They give the impression that the design goals are all over the place, considering they claimed a 5.5" device that had been in production until recently was just canceled and that the 6.0" device seems like an entirely separate thing with a completely different design instead of a bigger version. They are still just rumors, so they could be wrong.I think it's been confirmed that the first Pixel devices were rushed in development, because initially negotiations were happening with Huawei for manufacturing but they bailed out (Google went with HTC instead afterward) because of a branding/logo disagreement, and the rushed production is probably why the first PIxel phone has a front that looks like exactly the same shape/dimensions/ratios as an existing HTC phone but with the buttons removed.
Quote from: bluaki on June 26, 2017, 01:39:36 AMAmazon sells the international (G955F) S8+ for $750. The US version costs between $750~$850 from carriers and unlocked from retailers like Best Buy as far as I can tell. How is that half the price?
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Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 26, 2017, 09:53:04 AMthere are several terms for thishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veblen_goodhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law_of_business_balancehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspicuous_consumptiongoogle (and other android oems) wants to benefit from the veblen good effect, and ultimately want their devices to become status symbols for conspicuous consumers...except there is not a single shred of prestige associated with google/android, nor does "quality" come to mind when you think of the average ugly laggy android device and and the abundance of terrible and often hilariously overpriced phones that pollute the platformso the strategy never actually works for android oems, google included, and it likely never willonly apple can manage because apple isn't absolutely lazy about quality and understands the importance of both presentation and customer satisfactioniphone fanboys have every reason to be proud of their deviceswhereas android owners should be, and are, ashamed
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on June 26, 2017, 09:53:04 AMBy the way, is there any good justification whatsoever for the removal of the headphone jack? Is it really just a matter of making the device half a millimeter slimmer?
Quote from: bluaki on June 26, 2017, 11:58:27 AMWhat's so terrible about flagship Android devices in your opinion, compared to iPhone? Is it just the Qualcomm vs Apple SoC and nothing else?
Quote from: bluaki on June 26, 2017, 11:58:27 AMWell, at least on the software UX side of things, I guess I'll agree with you that Apple actually kinda knows what they're doing (though they make mistakes like the entire emoji set and skeumorphism).Google seems to actually put some thought into UX even if they make a lot of baffling decisions about stuff like consistency or ditching services they don't like or releasing new services that compete with themselves or totally forgetting about tablets existing every time they redesign anything. Samsung and other Android OEMs seem to just slap features and content in without really acknowledging the whole at all in terms of UX, and they often bundled other disjoint products due to partnerships and junk.
Quote from: Khadafi on June 16, 2017, 07:38:16 AMlike i have a 64 gig SD card + 16gb internal storage (cuz i figured the SD card obviated the need for large internal storage).6.39GB of internal is used by OS. that's normal ok9.03/9.61 GB is used in internaltry to view what is uing it and it takes 300000000 hours to actually calculate thatwhen it does5.56GB in Apps 1.96GB in Cached dataThat's 7.52GB. WHERES THE OTHER FUCKING 1.51GB. it gets annoying cuz everything defaults to internal storage and then i cant install apps lmaoi move some stuff to SD but it doesnt seem to be enough
Quote from: Khadafi on June 16, 2017, 07:40:51 AMhttps://forums.androidcentral.com/moto-x-pure-edition/659238-storage-doesnt-add-up.htmlhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/496sn3/lets_clear_up_the_confusion_regarding_storage_in/https://www.reddit.com/r/MotoX/comments/4bnmos/general_storage_question/gj shitdroidi guess i'll update the phoneoh i can't lol
Quote from: bluaki on June 26, 2017, 11:58:27 AMI still think it's worth it compared to what iOS offers.
Quote from: bluaki on June 26, 2017, 03:32:07 PMThe internal size is pretty significant. The 3.5mm headphone jacks are long, which takes away from how long the battery can be unless they use a weird non-rectangular battery.For Apple at least, a bigger reason than either of those is driving the sale of Bluetooth accessories which have bigger profit margins and are better at making Apple devices seem cool and high-tech to bystanders than a cable.
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 05, 2017, 02:21:55 PMAnyway, I've had the S8+ for a few days now and I don't hate it. But there are a few minor annoyances like the awful placement of the fingerprint sensor, the equally awful placement of the volume buttons, the ing Bixby button that nobody asked or cared for, and a moderately-sized list of irritating software nitpicks that I'll hopefully just get used to or learn to work around in time.
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 05, 2017, 02:21:55 PMi've been following the oneplus 5 closely since getting the s8+, and oh my goodness am i glad i made the choice i did how could oneplus possibly be so disaster-prone lol
Quote from: bluaki on July 05, 2017, 10:08:45 PMThat fingerprint sensor is definitely the most baffling design decision. As soon as the phone was revealed, basically everybody who watched was asking "WHY?"
Quote from: bluaki on July 05, 2017, 10:08:45 PMWhat's wrong with the volume placement? It feels fine to me.
Quote from: bluaki on July 05, 2017, 10:08:45 PMYeah, basically everybody hates the Bixby button too. iirc it used to be possible to remap it to less useless things without root but Samsung patched that out in an updateYou can't avoid Samsung's lock screen, notifications, recents, or settings menu, but you can at least install a third-party home screen and I think you can disable all the bad preloaded apps. Replacing the home screen really makes every Samsung phone feel a lot better imo.
Quote from: bluaki on July 05, 2017, 10:08:45 PMI'm guessing you heard about the upside-down screen and stereo speakers issues?
Quote from: bluaki on July 05, 2017, 10:08:45 PMalso, I forgot about this earlier, there was another SD835 device that's been announced for a while: the Essential phone.