Do You Believe in God?

[Bolivian Army]

I'm an optimistic artistic rationalistic young traditionalistic 

[Hippopo]

not really no though i am a bit miffed about how i ran out of poptarts 

You're kidding.. Right?  The universe is extremely complex, and if you think about it, it makes little sense. 

how do you know that 

It's true.  One day we MIGHT know.

humans are fallible, but that's why we've got peer review and the requirement for reproducible results

But does this still produce TRUTH?  Remember, majority doesn't doesn't always equal truth. This is true even in "scientific settings."

And even with "reproducible results," there is still the chance for change.  Even in the simplest experiments, we must never jump to conclusions.

maybe you've watched too many movies 

Or Coz is right....  How would you know?

you could kidnap one and perform a dna test sure you'd probably have to do it yourself since their testing technology could just be part of the trick but it's doable 

but more seriously it's not the business of science to disprove claims that are offered without evidence

But he'd be using "alien" technology if he's the only human around.  Therefore, it could be a giant illusion of facts.  In order to see the truth, he'd have to do everything himself, and that includes relearning everything from a personal standpoint. 

It is science's task to understand nature using the natural world (AKA not supernatural).

So, it could be science's task to disprove claims if it accelerates the understanding of the natural world.

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In short, GOOD JOB COZ!

Another open-minded philosopher is in our midsts.

[guff]

You're kidding.. Right?  The universe is extremely complex, and if you think about it, it makes little sense. 

individual elements might be hard to explain but as a whole i don't see what's nonsensical about it 

But does this still produce TRUTH?  Remember, majority doesn't doesn't always equal truth. This is true even in "scientific settings."

okay but the point is that if the minority was right they've got a surefire way to demonstrate it

And even with "reproducible results," there is still the chance for change.  Even in the simplest experiments, we must never jump to conclusions.

if the results are reproducible and the experiment is sound then the result will not change by definition

Or Coz is right....  How would you know?

because higher life forms with that sort of technology would consider arguing for new-age mysticism a complete waste of time 

But he'd be using "alien" technology if he's the only human around.  Therefore, it could be a giant illusion of facts.  In order to see the truth, he'd have to do everything himself, and that includes relearning everything from a personal standpoint. 

then maybe he should get off their internet

It is science's task to understand nature using the natural world (AKA not supernatural).

what supernatural

So, it could be science's task to disprove claims if it accelerates the understanding of the natural world.

alright good idea i demand science prove that i am not a sentient turnip

[Nyerp]

i believe everyone around me is a soviet spy omg i'm a great open-minded philosopher

[Hippopo]

i believe everyone around me is a soviet spy omg i'm a great open-minded philosopher

Immaturity beams in this thread.  How nice. 

And he's an open-mind philosopher because he's actually able to question the thoughts of society without jumping to conclusions. 

[Nyerp]

yeah fight the man

[Travis]

I don't really believe in God. It seems to me that religion in general was started centuries ago to provide answers to then unexplainable questions.

[guff]

Immaturity beams in this thread.  How nice. 

And he's an open-mind philosopher because he's actually able to question the thoughts of society without jumping to conclusions. 

actually it seems you think he's an open-minded philosopher because he has worldviews similar to yours 

[Hippopo]

actually it seems you think he's an open-minded philosopher because he has worldviews similar to yours 

Actually, we have differing opinions, but the logic he uses is similar to mine, yes.

Have you even taken a course in Philosophy?  Maybe a critical thinking or a logic course?  If you did, you'd find that many philosophers use to same line of thought as both of us....

[Bolivian Army]

Have you even taken a course in Philosophy?

yes 

If you did, you'd find that many philosophers use to same line of thought as both of us....

yeah well a lot dont too 

[j o e i n c]

there could be a god

there also couldn't

i don't know

[guff]

logic

yup

but even if i hadn't, i'd still know that you're committing the fallacy of burden of proof 

[FAMY2]

I don't think logic and faith go together.   

[Bolivian Army]

I know a Christian who's pretty good at chess. 

[Classic]

I don't think logic and faith go together.   

They don't. It's all by blind faith that a person would worship a higher being.