PotD: SOMETHING ENGLISH RELATED (!!!)

[ncba93ivyase]

"Judgment" drives me up a wall.

[Classic]

It must have an 'e'.

[Nyerp]

Seriously, "udge" makes an actual j sound. I don't know where the fuck "udg" came from.

[ncba93ivyase]

Seriously, "udge" makes an actual j sound. I don't know where the fuck "udg" came from.

a dictionary said the first e is useless so now english teachers force their retarded spelling down our throats

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thank noah webster
also everywhere else where english is spoken uses judgement
kthxbye
but do not use "judgement" on the sat/act/ap tests because they require you to write in standard american english

[Tomboh]

judgment, since judgement is for britfags

[ME##]

Judgement.


why did webster have to mess with english ;_;

[Kalahari Inkantation]

"judgment" would, or should be pronounced "jud-guh-mint"
what the hell is "jud-guh-mint"
IT NEEDS THE FIRST 'E' OR ELSE IT'S NOT A WORD :'(
the sat can blow me, i'll use "judgement" anyway

[Claquesous]

Apparently both are fine. I only remember this because of the person named "Judgement" on another forum. Some people asked him why he spelled it with an e, and another person chimed in to say both were correct. Dunno if this is actually correct, and if it was, dunno if it is now not correct, because this was a few years ago.

[Lozal]

I always use "judgment" because I was always taught that this was the correct way to spell it.

[Samus Aran]

I resist my spell checkers and always use "judgement," even on essays and shit. Never seem to get marked for it.

[guff]

my only problem with it is that it's inconsistent with the rest of the english language but i don't take issue in general with silent letters being dropped but really just use 'j' if you want to make a 'j' sound 
for example, using THE MAGIC OF PYTHON and the *nix words file we find the following words that match the regular expression \S+dg[^e]\S+ (one or more non-whitespace characters followed by 'dg' and not 'e' followed by at least one more non-whitespace characters):
[spoiler]['abridgment', 'adglutinate', 'adjudgment', 'bedgoer', 'bedgown', 'begrudgingly', 'birdglue', 'bloodguilt', 'bloodguiltiness', 'bloodguiltless', 'bloodguilty', 'bridging', 'cadgily', 'cadginess', 'counterjudging', 'dodgily', 'dodginess', 'dredging', 'drudgingly', 'drudgism', 'edginess', 'edging', 'edgingly', 'edgrew', 'endgate', 'fledgling', 'floodgate', 'fluidglycerate', 'forejudgment', 'gradgrind', 'grudging', 'grudgingly', 'grudgingness', 'grudgment', 'handgrasp', 'handgravure', 'handgrip', 'handgriping', 'handgun', 'hedging', 'hedgingly', 'hodgkinsonite', 'interjudgment', 'judgingly', 'judgmatic', 'judgmatical', 'judgmatically', 'judgment', 'knowledging', 'landgafol', 'landgravate', 'landgrave', 'landgraveship', 'landgravess', 'landgraviate', 'landgravine', 'ledging', 'ledgment', 'lidgate', 'lodging', 'lodginghouse', 'lodgings', 'lodgment', 'misjudgingly', 'misjudgment', 'mudguard', 'needgates', 'nonabridgment', 'nonacknowledgment', 'nonsludging', 'outlodging', 'overjudging', 'overjudgment', 'partridging', 'pidgin', 'pledgor', 'podgily', 'podginess', 'pondgrass', 'preacknowledgment', 'prejudgment', 'pudgily', 'pudginess', 'reacknowledgment', 'ridgil', 'ridging', 'ridgingly', 'ridgling', 'sandglass', 'scrodgill', 'sedging', 'seedgall', 'sledging', 'smudgily', 'smudginess', 'stockjudging', 'stodgily', 'stodginess', 'superacknowledgment', 'unabridgable', 'unacknowledging', 'unacknowledgment', 'unbudging', 'underlodging', 'ungrudging', 'ungrudgingly', 'ungrudgingness', 'unjudgable', 'unjudging', 'waldgrave', 'waldgravine', 'wedging', 'wildgrave', 'windgall', 'windgalled', 'woodgrub'][/spoiler]

whereas if we try to match \S+dge\S+ we get:
[spoiler]['abridgeable', 'abridged', 'abridgedly', 'abridger', 'acknowledgeable', 'acknowledged', 'acknowledgedly', 'acknowledger', 'adjudgeable', 'adjudger', 'badgeless', 'badgeman', 'badger', 'badgerbrush', 'badgerer', 'badgeringly', 'badgerlike', 'badgerly', 'badgerweed', 'becudgel', 'bedgery', 'beedged', 'beledgered', 'bludgeon', 'bludgeoned', 'bludgeoneer', 'bludgeoner', 'bodger', 'bodgery', 'bridgeable', 'bridgeboard', 'bridgebote', 'bridgebuilder', 'bridgebuilding', 'bridged', 'bridgehead', 'bridgekeeper', 'bridgeless', 'bridgelike', 'bridgemaker', 'bridgemaking', 'bridgeman', 'bridgemaster', 'bridgepot', 'bridger', 'bridgetree', 'bridgeward', 'bridgewards', 'bridgeway', 'bridgework', 'budger', 'budgeree', 'budgereegah', 'budgerigar', 'budgerow', 'budget', 'budgetary', 'budgeteer', 'budgeter', 'budgetful', 'cadger', 'clapperdudgeon', 'cobridgehead', 'codger', 'corndodger', 'cudgel', 'cudgeler', 'cudgerie', 'curmudgeon', 'curmudgeonery', 'curmudgeonish', 'curmudgeonly', 'disacknowledgement', 'dislodgeable', 'dislodgement', 'dodgeful', 'dodger', 'dodgery', 'dredgeful', 'dredger', 'drudger', 'drudgery', 'dudgeon', 'edgebone', 'edgeless', 'edgemaker', 'edgemaking', 'edgeman', 'edgerman', 'edgeshot', 'edgestone', 'edgeways', 'edgeweed', 'edgewise', 'enlodgement', 'featheredged', 'fidget', 'fidgeter', 'fidgetily', 'fidgetiness', 'fidgeting', 'fidgetingly', 'fidgety', 'fledgeless', 'fodgel', 'forjudger', 'fudger', 'gadger', 'gadget', 'gidgee', 'grudgeful', 'grudgefully', 'grudgekin', 'grudgeless', 'grudger', 'grudgery', 'gudgeon', 'gudget', 'headgear', 'hedgeberry', 'hedgeborn', 'hedgebote', 'hedgebreaker', 'hedgehog', 'hedgehoggy', 'hedgehop', 'hedgehopper', 'hedgeless', 'hedgemaker', 'hedgemaking', 'hedger', 'hedgerow', 'hedgesmith', 'hedgeweed', 'hedgewise', 'hedgewood', 'hodgepodge', 'humdudgeon', 'inwedged', 'judgeable', 'judgelike', 'judger', 'judgeship', 'kedger', 'kedgeree', 'knowledgeable', 'knowledgeableness', 'knowledgeably', 'knowledged', 'knowledgeless', 'knowledgement', 'ledged', 'ledgeless', 'ledger', 'ledgerdom', 'lodgeable', 'lodged', 'lodgeful', 'lodgeman', 'lodgepole', 'lodger', 'lodgerdom', 'midget', 'midgety', 'misjudgement', 'misjudger', 'nidget', 'nidgety', 'nudger', 'partridgeberry', 'partridgelike', 'partridgewood', 'pigwidgeon', 'pledgeable', 'pledgee', 'pledgeless', 'pledgeor', 'pledger', 'pledgeshop', 'pledget', 'podger', 'porridgelike', 'prebudget', 'prebudgetary', 'prejudgement', 'prejudger', 'probudget', 'probudgeting', 'rebudget', 'repledger', 'ridgeband', 'ridgeboard', 'ridgebone', 'ridged', 'ridgel', 'ridgelet', 'ridgelike', 'ridgeling', 'ridgepiece', 'ridgeplate', 'ridgepole', 'ridgepoled', 'ridger', 'ridgerope', 'ridgetree', 'ridgeway', 'ridgewise', 'sedged', 'sedgelike', 'skedgewith', 'sledgeless', 'sledgemeter', 'sledger', 'slodger', 'sludged', 'sludger', 'smidgen', 'smoodger', 'smudged', 'smudgedly', 'smudgeless', 'smudgeproof', 'smudger', 'spadger', 'spidger', 'squidgereen', 'stodger', 'stodgery', 'trudgen', 'trudger', 'unabridged', 'unacknowledged', 'unacknowledgedness', 'unadjudged', 'unbadged', 'unbegrudged', 'unbridgeable', 'unbridged', 'unbudgeability', 'unbudgeable', 'unbudgeableness', 'unbudgeably', 'unbudged', 'unbudgeted', 'uncudgelled', 'underdrudgery', 'undislodgeable', 'undislodged', 'undodged', 'undredged', 'unedged', 'unfidgeting', 'unfledged', 'unfledgedness', 'ungrudged', 'unhedged', 'unjudged', 'unjudgelike', 'unknowledgeable', 'unlodged', 'unpledged', 'unprejudged', 'unridged', 'unsmudged', 'unwedgeable', 'unwedged', 'wedgeable', 'wedgebill', 'wedged', 'wedgelike', 'wedger', 'wedgewise', 'weighbridgeman', 'widgeon', 'woodgeld']
[/spoiler]
that's substantially longer than the first, but that's not the only issue; almost all of the words in the second list have a 'j' sound for 'dge' but that's mostly only true of elements of the first list with an 'i' following the 'dg' (most other instances pronounce both the 'd' and 'g')

in conclusion english is a silly language 

[russell]

I don't believe I've ever encountered "judgment" in a respectable text

[Lotos]

Without the e I guess?

[russell]

my only problem with it is that it's inconsistent with the rest of the english language but i don't take issue in general with silent letters being dropped but really just use 'j' if you want to make a 'j' sound 
for example, using THE MAGIC OF PYTHON and the *nix words file we find the following words that match the regular expression \S+dg[^e]\S+ (one or more non-whitespace characters followed by 'dg' and not 'e' followed by at least one more non-whitespace characters):
[spoiler]['abridgment', 'adglutinate', 'adjudgment', 'bedgoer', 'bedgown', 'begrudgingly', 'birdglue', 'bloodguilt', 'bloodguiltiness', 'bloodguiltless', 'bloodguilty', 'bridging', 'cadgily', 'cadginess', 'counterjudging', 'dodgily', 'dodginess', 'dredging', 'drudgingly', 'drudgism', 'edginess', 'edging', 'edgingly', 'edgrew', 'endgate', 'fledgling', 'floodgate', 'fluidglycerate', 'forejudgment', 'gradgrind', 'grudging', 'grudgingly', 'grudgingness', 'grudgment', 'handgrasp', 'handgravure', 'handgrip', 'handgriping', 'handgun', 'hedging', 'hedgingly', 'hodgkinsonite', 'interjudgment', 'judgingly', 'judgmatic', 'judgmatical', 'judgmatically', 'judgment', 'knowledging', 'landgafol', 'landgravate', 'landgrave', 'landgraveship', 'landgravess', 'landgraviate', 'landgravine', 'ledging', 'ledgment', 'lidgate', 'lodging', 'lodginghouse', 'lodgings', 'lodgment', 'misjudgingly', 'misjudgment', 'mudguard', 'needgates', 'nonabridgment', 'nonacknowledgment', 'nonsludging', 'outlodging', 'overjudging', 'overjudgment', 'partridging', 'pidgin', 'pledgor', 'podgily', 'podginess', 'pondgrass', 'preacknowledgment', 'prejudgment', 'pudgily', 'pudginess', 'reacknowledgment', 'ridgil', 'ridging', 'ridgingly', 'ridgling', 'sandglass', 'scrodgill', 'sedging', 'seedgall', 'sledging', 'smudgily', 'smudginess', 'stockjudging', 'stodgily', 'stodginess', 'superacknowledgment', 'unabridgable', 'unacknowledging', 'unacknowledgment', 'unbudging', 'underlodging', 'ungrudging', 'ungrudgingly', 'ungrudgingness', 'unjudgable', 'unjudging', 'waldgrave', 'waldgravine', 'wedging', 'wildgrave', 'windgall', 'windgalled', 'woodgrub'][/spoiler]

whereas if we try to match \S+dge\S+ we get:
[spoiler]['abridgeable', 'abridged', 'abridgedly', 'abridger', 'acknowledgeable', 'acknowledged', 'acknowledgedly', 'acknowledger', 'adjudgeable', 'adjudger', 'badgeless', 'badgeman', 'badger', 'badgerbrush', 'badgerer', 'badgeringly', 'badgerlike', 'badgerly', 'badgerweed', 'becudgel', 'bedgery', 'beedged', 'beledgered', 'bludgeon', 'bludgeoned', 'bludgeoneer', 'bludgeoner', 'bodger', 'bodgery', 'bridgeable', 'bridgeboard', 'bridgebote', 'bridgebuilder', 'bridgebuilding', 'bridged', 'bridgehead', 'bridgekeeper', 'bridgeless', 'bridgelike', 'bridgemaker', 'bridgemaking', 'bridgeman', 'bridgemaster', 'bridgepot', 'bridger', 'bridgetree', 'bridgeward', 'bridgewards', 'bridgeway', 'bridgework', 'budger', 'budgeree', 'budgereegah', 'budgerigar', 'budgerow', 'budget', 'budgetary', 'budgeteer', 'budgeter', 'budgetful', 'cadger', 'clapperdudgeon', 'cobridgehead', 'codger', 'corndodger', 'cudgel', 'cudgeler', 'cudgerie', 'curmudgeon', 'curmudgeonery', 'curmudgeonish', 'curmudgeonly', 'disacknowledgement', 'dislodgeable', 'dislodgement', 'dodgeful', 'dodger', 'dodgery', 'dredgeful', 'dredger', 'drudger', 'drudgery', 'dudgeon', 'edgebone', 'edgeless', 'edgemaker', 'edgemaking', 'edgeman', 'edgerman', 'edgeshot', 'edgestone', 'edgeways', 'edgeweed', 'edgewise', 'enlodgement', 'featheredged', 'fidget', 'fidgeter', 'fidgetily', 'fidgetiness', 'fidgeting', 'fidgetingly', 'fidgety', 'fledgeless', 'fodgel', 'forjudger', 'fudger', 'gadger', 'gadget', 'gidgee', 'grudgeful', 'grudgefully', 'grudgekin', 'grudgeless', 'grudger', 'grudgery', 'gudgeon', 'gudget', 'headgear', 'hedgeberry', 'hedgeborn', 'hedgebote', 'hedgebreaker', 'hedgehog', 'hedgehoggy', 'hedgehop', 'hedgehopper', 'hedgeless', 'hedgemaker', 'hedgemaking', 'hedger', 'hedgerow', 'hedgesmith', 'hedgeweed', 'hedgewise', 'hedgewood', 'hodgepodge', 'humdudgeon', 'inwedged', 'judgeable', 'judgelike', 'judger', 'judgeship', 'kedger', 'kedgeree', 'knowledgeable', 'knowledgeableness', 'knowledgeably', 'knowledged', 'knowledgeless', 'knowledgement', 'ledged', 'ledgeless', 'ledger', 'ledgerdom', 'lodgeable', 'lodged', 'lodgeful', 'lodgeman', 'lodgepole', 'lodger', 'lodgerdom', 'midget', 'midgety', 'misjudgement', 'misjudger', 'nidget', 'nidgety', 'nudger', 'partridgeberry', 'partridgelike', 'partridgewood', 'pigwidgeon', 'pledgeable', 'pledgee', 'pledgeless', 'pledgeor', 'pledger', 'pledgeshop', 'pledget', 'podger', 'porridgelike', 'prebudget', 'prebudgetary', 'prejudgement', 'prejudger', 'probudget', 'probudgeting', 'rebudget', 'repledger', 'ridgeband', 'ridgeboard', 'ridgebone', 'ridged', 'ridgel', 'ridgelet', 'ridgelike', 'ridgeling', 'ridgepiece', 'ridgeplate', 'ridgepole', 'ridgepoled', 'ridger', 'ridgerope', 'ridgetree', 'ridgeway', 'ridgewise', 'sedged', 'sedgelike', 'skedgewith', 'sledgeless', 'sledgemeter', 'sledger', 'slodger', 'sludged', 'sludger', 'smidgen', 'smoodger', 'smudged', 'smudgedly', 'smudgeless', 'smudgeproof', 'smudger', 'spadger', 'spidger', 'squidgereen', 'stodger', 'stodgery', 'trudgen', 'trudger', 'unabridged', 'unacknowledged', 'unacknowledgedness', 'unadjudged', 'unbadged', 'unbegrudged', 'unbridgeable', 'unbridged', 'unbudgeability', 'unbudgeable', 'unbudgeableness', 'unbudgeably', 'unbudged', 'unbudgeted', 'uncudgelled', 'underdrudgery', 'undislodgeable', 'undislodged', 'undodged', 'undredged', 'unedged', 'unfidgeting', 'unfledged', 'unfledgedness', 'ungrudged', 'unhedged', 'unjudged', 'unjudgelike', 'unknowledgeable', 'unlodged', 'unpledged', 'unprejudged', 'unridged', 'unsmudged', 'unwedgeable', 'unwedged', 'wedgeable', 'wedgebill', 'wedged', 'wedgelike', 'wedger', 'wedgewise', 'weighbridgeman', 'widgeon', 'woodgeld']
[/spoiler]
that's substantially longer than the first, but that's not the only issue; almost all of the words in the second list have a 'j' sound for 'dge' but that's mostly only true of elements of the first list with an 'i' following the 'dg' (most other instances pronounce both the 'd' and 'g')

in conclusion english is a silly language 

nudger

I think Russian wins as a language because from what I glean the instances where words are not spelled as they sound/vice versa are few to none, and also the language has produced some of history's best writers