Questions about Christianity

[Det in F♯ Major]

I'm not sure why you guys bother to type posts that take like, half an hour; neither of you is going to convince the other of anything.

[Daddy]

Ah, crap. I'm not going to bother quoting every little bit of this. I think you'll get it.

Okay, my bad. I misunderstood.

Yes, there is. It's called the Torah.

The first 13 books of the new testament...

The what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Eh...I don't know where he got them.

Don't cite made up statistics.

If you made a lifeform and it told you to "Fuck off, I'll live life my own way.", wouldn't you get angry and say that, "I created you, I know what's best for you." You know, kinda like a parent?

No.

Exactly. It's always God's call.

Then who are you to say they didn't repent, and I don't think any amount of apologizing can make up for raping children.

Christianity has predestination. If you're talking about Jehovah's Witnesses *cough cough*, that's not Christianity. It's completely different. They don't believe in Hell, so that pretty much kills it.

Not all sects do and who says Jehovah's witnesses aren't Christians? They're classified as Christians, you're just going by what your church calls "Christian" and think every group must fit that description.

Well, maybe they are. I don't. know. If it does take good works, then I know that all this hard work I'm doing will certainly get me to Heaven. And if not, then I've got the salvation to back it up. I win either way!

No, you don't win either way because that only goes off the assumption that either sect is correct and ignores other religions or nonreligions.

That's where missionaries come in. By now, pretty much every region of the world has been touched by Christianity.

Hinduism, Islam,  Dicksuckingism, Paganism, etc all have the same evidence as Christianity: none so why should they beleive a missionary?

Well, I need to know what you want me to look for, Mr. "I-used-to-be-a-Christian-but-God-pissed-my-off-so-I'm-gonna-throw-a-hissy-fit." I'll find it. (Just get it before Friday. I've got band camp.)

Something that doesn't exist can't piss me off.
Also go look at the quote I can't remember what it was.

God is the Father, the Creator. Jesus is the Son, the Savior. The Holy Spirit is the...Spirit, the Messenger of God.

And they're all the same person.

I'm told that your child would mean more to you than your own life. Trust me, I've had that argument with plenty of parents. All agree that they'd rather die themselves then let thier sons or daughters even come to harm. And wouldn't that be death, even if it's not spiritual?

God is a deity though. A deity dying > a mortal dying.
No, because God never lost Jesus. He was there before his 'birth' and there after.

Well, then we'll use that. You'd really have to care for my life to give your son's liver, and life, in order to save mine. It's my fault (kinda) why I'm in that situation. But only you can get me out of it.

I wouldn't have shot you if I had cared.

I pretty much would. If I didn't love my mom, I wouldn't care what she'd say. Therefore, I'd break the rules just to make her angry, which would cause me to lose privledges and possibly even cause her to actually (Dare I say it?...) bend me over her knee and she spank me. (Hasn't happened in many, many years, but you never know....)

oh let me tell you. I hated bush so I broke all of his rules and killed people to make him angry

And the is for what? Me being a good parent who wants to raise my kids out of the worldly belief that kids should be able to do what they want with no punishment? It only takes one swing.

Because corporal punishment is not an effective deterrent other than for immediate control. It also is damaging to the child.
http://www.apa.org/releases/spanking.html
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=2pcq3UmQyCYC&oi=fnd&pg=PA3&dq=%22Straus%22+%22Beating+the+devil+out+of+them:+Corporal+punishment+in+...%22+&ots=dMhwQjyWmN&sig=u3ToO1npykFyE3dHk3GAbjVrSEw#PPA5,M1
http://www.religioustolerance.org/spankin5.htm
I also think that Jesus would be against such acts.

But go ahead, take your anger out on a kid and fuck him over because you "love him".

Since when has communication with words ever stopped someone from doing something stupid?

Uh plenty of times.
There is also civil disobedience which doesn't require violence.

If my mom told me to not smoke pot, and I did it, and she told me not to do it again, I'd think, "Well, if that's really all I'm going to get for it, why not get high and tune the bitch out?" Telling me to not do something again would just breed rebellion.

You're an idiot. You're basically equating child raising into two categories

a.) Beat the shit out him.

b.)'Don't do that son"

Apparently grounding and other forum of punishment do not exist.

That's really the only case is when it comes to salvation. Look at porn, your girlfriend will find out and she'll cry and not trust you.

uh, what not every girl does that

(Spanking.) Smoke pot, you get caught, you spend a few nights in jail. (Spanking.)

wut it's a fine here and uh wouldn't that be equated to grounding and not spanking?

You get drunk, drive, and kill a passenger in another care, you spend life in jail for vehicular manslaughter. (Spanking.)

Grounding and loss of computer user/phone/video games/etc.

You reap what you sow. These punishments are supposed to show you that you're not supposed to do that, because you'll face the consequences. That's what God does. He makes you face the consequences for your sins.

Why can't god send me to my room

Why do you think I'm trying to not look at porn?

Because you are addicted to it

Okay, you've got me there. The only explaination I can give is that it's God's son, so he's very important to God. We're not perfect, Jesus is. We sin, Jesus doesn't.

cool

Oh, they knew it was wrong. They just didn't realize it until they were finished commiting the sin. Don't we call that...I don't know...Guilt?

i don't even know what you're tlaking about now since you started talking about porn earlier dammit quote posts.

What?

you said moses built the ark. moses freed the jews.

Okay, then. I just read that section, and I get what you said. The rest of the world was punished because they didn't worship God. They rejected him. Only Noah and his family walked with him.

really i am confused this is what happens when you don't quote.

Well, they went to Heaven. God isn't going to send little children to hell. All children are sheltered in God's arms. Like when the Rapture happens, all of the children below the age of 12 (I think that's it...) will disappear along with the saved, regardless of religion. That's why the Rapture will be such a huge deal. No matter where you are, you'll be affected by the Rapture. That's the point of it. So the children in Moses's time were taken to Heaven. Sure, they died, but they actually did go to a better place.

So a 13 year old goes to Hell but a 12 year old doesn't even if they have the same lack of exposure or guilt in the eyes of God?

Refer to the previous paragraph.

reefer

And again...As for the Europe thing, no. There were missionaries in every part of that world. That what the disciples did. That's what Paul did. They were sent out to save lives for God. Christianity was just an idea that the Catholic Church started from the letters of disciples, Paul, and Jude (who only gets one chapter. Lulz). That's how the Bible was started; bunches of letters. Well, that, and much of the Jewish history. But for the missionary part, the disciples (except for Judas Isracot, who killed himself.) drew lots for which part of the world (or what they knew of it.) that they should go and preach to. Paul later preached to all of Rome and Greece (Oh, wait, that's Europe.), along with many Middle Eastern countries, and even a few in Africa.

Uh, I don't think there were any missionaries in south america from 32ad-1500ad.
but then again you believe the world is 6000 years old and it is impossible for natives to have been here.

If you went to church, you'd have people who'd highlight that for you.

Isn't that their interpretation?
Nowhere does it say what is literal and what is metaphorical.

But they still knew they weren't supposed to eat the fruit! Do I have to type out the freaking verse for you and draw you pretty pictures? They were tricked, yes, but they still knew that God said to not eat the fruit. That's what Satan does! He sugarcoats sin so it looks pretty, but after you commit the sin, you feel ashamed. Hence, they're eyes were opened and they realized they were naked.

Knowing they aren't supposed to eat the fruit is useless if they don't know the difference between right and wrong.

Ugh, okay...Here's the verses. Genesis 3:1-7 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, "Yea, hath God said, 'Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?'" And the woman said unto the serpent, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath siad, 'Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.'" And the serpent said unto the woman, "Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evel." And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes (!), and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

She still didn't know it was wrong.

God said not to eat of it, because you'll die. Satan said you wouldn't surely die, meaning you wouldn't die right off. It was pleasant to Eve's eyes, so she took ate, and so did Adam, after she handed him some. Their eyes were opened and they knew right from wrong, because they realized they had just sinned against God.

After the fact, maybe they said sorry ^___^

Does this make any more sense, or am I going to have to go all Bapticostal on you?

No, reasoning works.

It's Adam's fault because he still partook of the fruit when they were told not to.

He didn't know it was wrong.

Read New King James. It's the easiest to read.

really?
this whole time i've been reading it in hebrew

[PuuMastaFunk]

I'm not sure why you guys bother to type posts that take like, half an hour; neither of you is going to convince the other of anything.

Agreed...

How about this, JMV? I shut up about Christianity if you quite complaining about it? Truce?

[Daddy]

Agreed...

How about this, JMV? I shut up about Christianity if you quite complaining about it? Truce?

No, I want evidence for Christianity that isn't recursive. 

Basically this is what the code for religion is

Code Select

def religion():
    if religion()==True:
        return True
religion()


Unfortunately running that code results in:

>>> religion()
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
  File "<stdin>", line 2, in religion
  File "<stdin>", line 2, in religion
  A few hundred lines of this
  File "<stdin>", line 2, in religion
  File "<stdin>", line 2, in religion
  File "<stdin>", line 2, in religion
  File "<stdin>", line 2, in religion
  File "<stdin>", line 2, in religion
  File "<stdin>", line 2, in religion
  File "<stdin>", line 2, in religion
  File "<stdin>", line 2, in religion
  File "<stdin>", line 2, in religion
  File "<stdin>", line 2, in religion
  File "<stdin>", line 2, in religion
RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded

I'll just stop arguing with you since you've yet to try to provide evidence. At least YPR tries

edit or alternatively

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def bibleIsTrue():
if godExists():
return True
def godExists():
if bibleIsTrue():
return True

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
File "<stdin>", line 2, in godExists
File "<stdin>", line 2, in bibleIsTrue
File "<stdin>", line 2, in godExists
File "<stdin>", line 2, in bibleIsTrue
File "<stdin>", line 2, in godExists
File "<stdin>", line 2, in bibleIsTrue
File "<stdin>", line 2, in godExists
File "<stdin>", line 2, in bibleIsTrue
File "<stdin>", line 2, in godExists
File "<stdin>", line 2, in bibleIsTrue
File "<stdin>", line 2, in godExists
File "<stdin>", line 2, in bibleIsTrue

[guff]

You'll live.

...FOREVER IN GOD'S GRACE, THAT IS 

[rdl]

I'm not sure why you guys bother to type posts that take like, half an hour; neither of you is going to convince the other of anything.

Puu is hilarious, so why would you encourage JMV not to egg him on?

[Daddy]

Puu is hilarious, so why would you encourage JMV not to egg him on?

[superclucky]

No. You're teaching your kids that you expect them to act a certain way and to follow your rules, and if they don't, they have to deal with the consequenses. As long as you don't abuse them, it's fine. All you have to do is hit their butts a few times. Leave their faces, shoulders, backs, legs, arms, stomachs...Anything but the butt, alone.

Why not become a role model and show them how to be good and explain your errs whenever you commit one. ;_;

Also explaining and going through things and blah blah blah distracting them from their misbehavior is a better alternative other than spanking. <3 BUT THEN AGAIN IT TOTALLY DEPENDS ON THE TEMPERAMENT AND RESILIENCE OF THE CHILD.

Also:  You're teaching your kids that you expect them to act a certain way and to follow your rules, and if they don't, they have to deal with the consequenses.

Sounds like you're teaching them with fear. ;_;

[Daddy]

Why not become a role model and show them how to be good and explain your errs whenever you commit one. ;_;

Also explaining and going through things and blah blah blah distracting them from their misbehavior is a better alternative other than spanking. <3 BUT THEN AGAIN IT TOTALLY DEPENDS ON THE TEMPERAMENT AND RESILIENCE OF THE CHILD.

Also:  You're teaching your kids that you expect them to act a certain way and to follow your rules, and if they don't, they have to deal with the consequenses.

Sounds like you're teaching them with fear. ;_;

That is the premise of Hell.

OBEY OR SUFFER

[Zach]

I've always thought about becoming Catholic.

[Daddy]

I've always thought about becoming Catholic.

do it

[PuuMastaFunk]

Puu is hilarious, so why would you encourage JMV not to egg him on?

I have no idea where he gets these ideas.

Why not become a role model and show them how to be good and explain your errs whenever you commit one. ;_;

Also explaining and going through things and blah blah blah distracting them from their misbehavior is a better alternative other than spanking. <3 BUT THEN AGAIN IT TOTALLY DEPENDS ON THE TEMPERAMENT AND RESILIENCE OF THE CHILD.

Also:  You're teaching your kids that you expect them to act a certain way and to follow your rules, and if they don't, they have to deal with the consequenses.

Sounds like you're teaching them with fear. ;_;

Well, that's not the intention. If they fear me (or, more like, they fear the paddle/belt/whatever...), I can't help that. I know that I'm being a good father by spanking them. Mom never held back on me, and I turned out quite decent.

[Travis]

Puu, you're an idiot if you seriously are going to hit your kids. 

[PuuMastaFunk]

Puu, you're an idiot if you seriously are going to hit your kids. 

I'm not going to hit them; I'm going to spank them. There's a huge difference.

I won't even touch them if I'm angry.

[Travis]

I'm not going to hit them; I'm going to spank them. There's a huge difference.

I won't even touch them if I'm angry.

You know what that'll teach them? They'll think that violence is ok to use on other kids because you do it to them