there is no reason for a game (or the story/campaign mode of a game) to last longer than 40 hours!
preferably 30 hours even!
all jrpg lengths should be cut in half because the gameplay is never engaging enough to stretch out the game that long!
prove me wrong (you can't)!
For the most part I would agree. Trim the fat
when half of the time spent in an rpg is miserable grindy crap that artificially inflates game length and significantly dilutes the fun, then yes, i wholeheartedly agree
all of us on boyah recently agreed that botw is an rpg, and of the probably ~200 hours i'll have put into that game by the time i'm finished with it, over 100 of them felt like a complete waste of my time
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also i need more nyerpian hot takes in my life RUB IT[/spoiler]
sounds like a you problem
there are exceptions but in general I agree
man you guys really need to look up what a hot take is
hot take: trump isn't a great president!
hot take: i love you. i fucking love you and it breaks my heart when i see you play with someone else or anyone commenting in your profile i just want to be your boyfriend and put a heart in my profile linking to your profile and have a walltext of you commenting cute things i want to play video games talk in discord all night and watch a movie together but you just seem so uninterested in me it fucking kills me and i cant take it anymore i want to remove you but i care too much about you so please i'm begging you to either love me back or remove me and NEVER contact me again it hurts so much to say this because i need you by my side but if you don't love me then i want you to leave because seeing your icon in my friendlist would kill me everyday of my pathetic life
now THAT is a hot take, well done
but for real, i typically loathe games that are inorganically over 40 hours long lol
also hot take: the ps4 doesn't have that many great games and this gen as a whole was a big disappointment
Quote from: Hiro on July 30, 2018, 08:34:32 PMalso hot take: the ps4 doesn't have that many great games and this gen as a whole was a big disappointment
aint that hot of a take tbh
Quote from: Hiro on July 30, 2018, 06:42:04 PMthere are exceptions but in general I agree
this pretty much
also, persona games come to mind when i try to think of jrpgs that feel like their exorbitant lengths are (mostly) justified. like, i play a game like persona 5 and it ends up being 100 hours long, but there was no grinding, no real "padding," it was just that big of a game. and i was more than happy to keep playing for all those 100 hours.
yeah persona is exactly what came to mind for me
Quote from: Hiro on July 30, 2018, 08:34:32 PMalso hot take: the ps4 doesn't have that many great games and this gen as a whole was a big disappointment
Very hot, but bad
Quote from: Hiro on July 30, 2018, 08:34:32 PMalso hot take: the ps4 doesn't have that many great games and this gen as a whole was a big disappointment
idk man i'm not gonna be rude to the gen that gave me witcher 3, persona 5 and
breath of the wild
there's your hot new way to do spoiler text btw hocuspocus;
I mean the Switch is technically next-gen lol
Quote from: Thyme on July 30, 2018, 09:17:17 PMthere's your hot new way to do spoiler text btw hocuspocus;
nice I've been wondering how to do something like that
like why is there no highlight option anymore
Quote from: Samus Aran on July 30, 2018, 09:05:23 PMjrpgs that feel like their exorbitant lengths are (mostly) justified
i wanted to ask this myself
What are some other examples? befuddlement
i can't think of any other examples off the top of my head, most of my favorite jrpgs are around the sweet spot of 30-50 hours long
I can't think of a game off the top of my head that takes more than around 40 hours without adding in sidequests or something.
Quote from: Hiro on July 30, 2018, 08:34:32 PMalso hot take: the ps4 doesn't have that many great games and this gen as a whole was a big disappointment
not exactly the hottest of takes but nonetheless i completely agree
gen 8 utterly pales in comparison to gen 7, the universally-agreed-upon greatest generation of all time
every single gen 8 console is tremendously worse than its predecessor lol
switch seems better than wii u
switch, as of now, is just Wii U2
The Switch is the Wii U with good press
Quote from: Big Goop on July 30, 2018, 09:50:49 PMI can't think of a game off the top of my head that takes more than around 40 hours without adding in sidequests or something.
according hl2b, tales of vesperia takes 50 hours if you ignore everything and ~70 if you don't. however, hl2b is a small website and only 252 people have their vesperia playtimes logged on it so maybe it isn't the best metric but i don't know about any other sites like it.
sidequests should be considered because most people don't completely ignore them. also, if you start thinking only about how long it takes the fastest players, then the logical conclusion is using speedruns as a basis which aren't representative of the average player's experience at all.
the witcher 3 is a good example of a game that lasts well over 40 hours for most people (probably at least twice that amount) and in my opinion it stretches some really good content across gigantic maps that bloat the experience. all the best stuff is in the sidequests, but your average player will likely fall into the trap of actually exploring the wilderness for 20 hours so they can cross those little map icons off their list, hoping to find something that isn't pointless filler (and ultimately failing).
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 31, 2018, 10:11:31 AMQuote from: Hiro on July 30, 2018, 08:34:32 PMalso hot take: the ps4 doesn't have that many great games and this gen as a whole was a big disappointment
not exactly the hottest of takes but nonetheless i completely agree
gen 8 utterly pales in comparison to gen 7, the universally-agreed-upon greatest generation of all time
every single gen 8 console is tremendously worse than its predecessor lol
hot take the ps3 was a piece of fucking shit
if you have a good pc i can see why the ps4 has little appeal but i don't and my ps4 library is always expanding with good games. it's probably the console i've gotten the most enjoyment out of ever
name 5 good ps3 games lmao
Or at least 5 that aren't also available on ps4 now.....
This gen gave me Nier Automata.....
That alone makes me consider it better than 7
Also, Tec.....
https://www.gameinformer.com/2018/07/31/playstation-4-tops-80-million-units-shipped-now-ahead-of-ps3
what about Nier 1
Quote from: sc2020 on July 31, 2018, 10:59:05 AMwhat about Nier 1
look, even I'LL admit that game is not a good argument for gen 7.
Still love it tho
automata is better in almost every way except music
7th gen btfo
nier 1 is better because the guy is cooler and jumps higher
Quote from: sc2020 on July 31, 2018, 11:01:20 AMnier 1 is better because the guy is cooler and jumps higher
That 2nd point is literally not true, and the 1st point is not true imo
leave your opinions at the door.
Quote from: sc2020 on July 31, 2018, 11:04:23 AMleave your opinions at the door.
But the 1st part of my post isn't an opinion.
botw handles this nicely by letting you skip like 99% of the game
Quote from: Samus Aran on July 30, 2018, 09:05:23 PMQuote from: Hiro on July 30, 2018, 06:42:04 PMthere are exceptions but in general I agree
this pretty much
also, persona games come to mind when i try to think of jrpgs that feel like their exorbitant lengths are (mostly) justified. like, i play a game like persona 5 and it ends up being 100 hours long, but there was no grinding, no real "padding," it was just that big of a game. and i was more than happy to keep playing for all those 100 hours.
take: I think p5 could have cut like 10-20% of its content.
there's so many cutscenes where the characters say the same god damn obvious shit for like the three hundredth time i was smashin X like crazy sometimes. GEE DO YOU THINK STEALING IS HEART IS GONNA WERK GUYZ
Also space station dungeon was shit, kill it entirely
Quote from: Nyerp on July 31, 2018, 10:44:06 AMhot take the ps3 was a piece of fucking shit
if you have a good pc i can see why the ps4 has little appeal but i don't and my ps4 library is always expanding with good games. it's probably the console i've gotten the most enjoyment out of ever
name 5 good ps3 games lmao
now this actually is a pretty hot take, and it's quite surprising to hear coming from you especially lol befuddlement
Quote from: Nyerp on July 31, 2018, 10:44:06 AMhot take the ps3 was a piece of fucking shit
well as a piece of gaming hardware, there's no denying that the ps3 was a miserable over-engineered piece of garbage with embarrassingly underwhelming performance compared to the 360 (well, 360's horrible reliability issues notwithstanding lol)
But as a gaming platform in general? befuddlement
Quote from: Nyerp on July 31, 2018, 10:44:06 AMif you have a good pc i can see why the ps4 has little appeal but i don't and my ps4 library is always expanding with good games. it's probably the console i've gotten the most enjoyment out of ever
name 5 good ps3 games lmao
i mean the ps3 has the uncharted trilogy, the last of us, littlebigplanet, mgs4, god of war 3, journey (brief as it may be lol), demon's souls, and uh
uuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Well what does the PS4 have that's so outstanding aside from Bloodborne/Uncharted 4/Horizon/nu-God of War? akudood;
Well, it has all of those minus demons and MGS4, PLUS what you mentioned already, so....
....and Nier Automata
yeah FullHD™ ports don't count akudood;
I mean, I've got plenty of examples, but I guess most wouldn't call them "must haves" or "system sellers," but they make me damn happy to own a ps4
i love(d) both of these consoles because i actually like video games unlike you curmudgeons
i mean i like the ps4 well enough too lol, but as of now the ps3's library is still better
Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 31, 2018, 10:46:08 PMi mean i like the ps4 well enough too lol, but as of now the ps3's library is still better
Ehh... as of now I might disagree, but that'll take some thought.
ps4 has
nioh
yakuza
gravity rush 2 r.i.p.
persona 5 wait that's a ps3 game
the last guardian
sh-shut up it's good
rofl
7th gen wins again wariodood;
Idk why he crossed them all out.
Quote from: Big Goop on August 01, 2018, 12:44:51 AMIdk why he crossed them all out.
because only one of them is actually a ps4 exclusive and it's the one sony decided to take a shit all over
OH WELL at least i don't have to deal with the ps3's ui anymore
to be fair, uncharted 4 and especially bloodborne are amazing, and i imagine horizon and nu-god of war are too
and, like you said, if you don't own a pc, you do have other practical exclusives like nier and probably others i'm forgetting
not to mention the fact that the ps4 isn't done yet lol
in the end it'll probably at least match the ps3 in terms of overall library quality
Quote from: Nyerp on August 01, 2018, 12:51:09 AMQuote from: Big Goop on August 01, 2018, 12:44:51 AMIdk why he crossed them all out.
because only one of them is actually a ps4 exclusive and it's the one sony decided to take a shit all over
OH WELL at least i don't have to deal with the ps3's ui anymore
the ps3's ui is so cozy though :(
i honestly do miss the XxXrossmediabarXxX :'(
I will take the side of the PS4 as my collection of games is probably 3 times larger
But a shameful amount of them are sports games and remasters so lol
Quote from: Big Goop on July 31, 2018, 10:58:54 AMAlso, Tec.....
https://www.gameinformer.com/2018/07/31/playstation-4-tops-80-million-units-shipped-now-ahead-of-ps3
Absolutely disgusting.
but not really surprising at all, i did say as far back as 2015 that the ps4 would likely be the one and only 8th gen console to ultimately best the lowly psp in sales lol
Quote from: Magyarorszag on March 03, 2015, 07:48:09 PMit's insane to think that this generation, there will likely be only one console which manages to outsell the psp
and, welp, here we have it
Hot take...
Ps2 is better than ps3
that's not a hot take at all lol
also, false girl;
Quote from: Magyarorszag on August 01, 2018, 09:28:53 PMthat's not a hot take at all lol
also, false girl;
But, isn't it literally true? Pretty sure ps2 sold more than ps3, but I'm not looking it up.
Ps1 better than ps3 goowan;
$ale$, though important, are only one metric by which to measure a platform's success :|
Is the original Xbox superior to the GameCube? Because the Xbox outsold it. goowan
love the ps2. ps2 is my fave console. love it.
Quote from: Magyarorszag on August 01, 2018, 09:38:50 PM$ale$, though important, are only one metric by which to measure a platform's success :|
Is the original Xbox superior to the GameCube? Because the Xbox outsold it. goowan
Yes....
Well, I guess Halo was pretty revolutionary, to be fair. srsly
Quote from: Nyerp on August 01, 2018, 12:51:09 AMWELL at least i don't have to deal with the ps3's ui anymore
imo both the ps3 and ps4 UIs are bad for different reasons
XMB is just an awful layout for the reality that the vast majority of your content will be in one column and everything else is unpredictable about which column it's actually on. Are my account settings in Users, Settings, Network, PSN, or Friends? Are my game saves in Games or Settings? Are the Remote Play Settings in Settings, Network, or PSN? Are Trophies under Games, PSN, or Friends?
PS4's main screen is really cluttered with social junk, but in most other respects it's fine I guess. Its Quick Menu is good at least. A simpler grid arrangement (like the Library menu) would be easier to deal with as the main screen than a single row. PSN store is kinda a mess.
I haven't tried Xbone but I hear it's even worse about social junk than PS4 with ads too.
Switch has similar problems to PS4. At least its single row of icons has bigger pictures and it separates gallery/eshop from games and it lacks PS4's social junk, but it's too barebones. eShop UI is even worse than PS4's PSN Store.
every console ui sux
Quote from: YPargh on August 01, 2018, 08:59:03 AMI will take the side of the PS4 as my collection of games is probably 3 times larger
But a shameful amount of them are sports games and remasters so lol
it really does pain me to see that sony is being
rewarded for being too cheap, too lazy and too greedy to bother with backwards compatibility anymore
now they can sell you all the very same games you've already played a dozen times in FullHD™ at FullPrice™, and you'll happily fork over your earnings to be screwed over, and furthermore go on to claim that a bunch of lazy ports of legacy games make the ps4's library superior akudood;
hot take: i love remasters because they let me play games i didn't have the opportunity to play back in the days
hot fact: i don't own a single remaster of a game i've ever already owned hocuspocus;
Quote from: Thyme on August 04, 2018, 08:15:20 PMhot take: i love remasters because they let me play games i didn't have the opportunity to play back in the days
well that's a completely different situation lol, in that case they may as well be new games
Quote from: Thyme on August 04, 2018, 08:15:20 PMhot fact: i don't own a single remaster of a game i've ever already owned hocuspocus;
hot fact: i'm a hypocrite because even i have a few remasters of games i'd already owned awdood;
the last of us, dark souls 2, uncharted (although that was a console bundle), oot, mm, probably others awdood;
but they still only count as members of their original platforms' libraries lol
It's not just sony doing remasters.
More of these remasters are multiplat.
yeah but at least m$ft makes an earnest effort to offer backwards compatibility as an option (http://tinyimg.io/i/65hlBiZ.gif)
hot take. there hasn't been a good princess zelda since windwaker
Quote from: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo on August 05, 2018, 01:34:04 AMhot take. there hasn't been a good princess zelda since windwaker
spirit trax zelda is legitimately great and one of the (if not THE) most useful incarnations of zelda ever, and that's despite the fact that she's not even alive lol
but otherwise, agreed
zelda has just gotten more and more useless since ww, with spirit tracks being the sole exception
Quote from: Thyme on August 04, 2018, 08:15:20 PMhot take: i love remasters because they let me play games i didn't have the opportunity to play back in the days
hot fact: i don't own a single remaster of a game i've ever already owned hocuspocus;
Same. Now I can have zero guilt for skipping the Wii U too
hot take, zelda in wind waker was only cool UNTIL she actually became zelda
Quote from: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo on August 05, 2018, 01:34:04 AMhot take. there hasn't been a good princess zelda since windwaker
take: zelda the princess has never been good or useful
if anything her existance is a blight on hyrule as a whole and everyone would be better off without her ass
Quote from: C.Mongler on August 05, 2018, 09:17:47 AMQuote from: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo on August 05, 2018, 01:34:04 AMhot take. there hasn't been a good princess zelda since windwaker
take: zelda the princess has never been good or useful
if anything her existance is a blight on hyrule as a whole and everyone would be better off without her ass
She should just stay in disguise tbh Sheik was cool and apparently so was WW Zelda disguise
Quote from: Thyme on August 04, 2018, 08:15:20 PMhot take: i love remasters because they let me play games i didn't have the opportunity to play back in the days
hot fact: i don't own a single remaster of a game i've ever already owned hocuspocus;
ake remasters are unironically great
Hot take I would gladly repurchase about four games until the end of time
Quote from: David on August 05, 2018, 01:30:45 PMQuote from: Thyme on August 04, 2018, 08:15:20 PMhot take: i love remasters because they let me play games i didn't have the opportunity to play back in the days
hot fact: i don't own a single remaster of a game i've ever already owned hocuspocus;
ake remasters are unironically great
Hot take I would gladly repurchase about four games until the end of time
g, t, a, v y/n
Quote from: Big Goop on August 05, 2018, 09:13:36 AMhot take, zelda in wind waker was only cool UNTIL she actually became zelda
this is not a hot take at all lol, but yes i agree and probably so does everyone
Quote from: bluaki on August 02, 2018, 02:21:08 AMSwitch has similar problems to PS4. At least its single row of icons has bigger pictures and it separates gallery/eshop from games and it lacks PS4's social junk, but it's too barebones. eShop UI is even worse than PS4's PSN Store.
the switch ui is structurally similar but much more clean and simplified compared to the PS4. Also even though the eShop has some problems, I think it's wayyyyy better than the PS store. Search on PS Store is a fucking nightmare, the service is covered with ads, and everything is incredibly laggy and takes ages to load. Screenshots and listed titles often don't load at all.
The only way I'll even consider switch ui to be better is if they add themes.
Quote from: Hiro on August 08, 2018, 10:17:09 AMQuote from: bluaki on August 02, 2018, 02:21:08 AMSwitch has similar problems to PS4. At least its single row of icons has bigger pictures and it separates gallery/eshop from games and it lacks PS4's social junk, but it's too barebones. eShop UI is even worse than PS4's PSN Store.
the switch ui is structurally similar but much more clean and simplified compared to the PS4. Also even though the eShop has some problems, I think it's wayyyyy better than the PS store. Search on PS Store is a fucking nightmare, the service is covered with ads, and everything is incredibly laggy and takes ages to load. Screenshots and listed titles often don't load at all.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkCl4V3UUAEKTk1.jpg)
Come @ me bro the PS store is the worst shit since the Wii shop channel, and even that was laid out better and had good music
tbf i've never used the PS store on an actual playstation lol, browser all the way then download to console baby
Yeah I mean it's fine on the browser, but in that case you can do that on the eShop too I believe
Quote from: Hiro on August 08, 2018, 11:37:06 AMCome @ me bro the PS store is the worst shit since the Wii shop channel, and even that was laid out better and had good music
Actually, Xbox store is worse
Quote from: silvertone on July 30, 2018, 06:37:03 PMsounds like a you problem
It absolutely is.
I would love to enjoy Final Fantasy, for instance. But it's an absolute sl*g.