Has anyone ever thought to compare the uniquely Southern tradition of doubled names to the Japanese honorific system? befuddlement
because i feel like there are numerous comparisons to be made
in the south, the second name is formally a part of the full name and immediately follows the given name
in japan, those common honorifics are used so frequently that they may as well informally be a part of one's given name
both the second name and the honorific tend to be no more than a syllable long
to call a southern person by their first name and drop the second would be considered rude, as would calling a japanese person by their given name sans honorific
and in both cases they ultimately serve as a means of endearment
Anna-May
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I wouldn't say that's the same at all, and has much more in common with English honorifics seeing as they're the same thing, just usually a prefix instead of a suffix
Ms. Aiko, Mr. Kenji, etc
those are much more formal though
san and chan and the other most common ones aren't really
i mean, japan has honorifics of respect too, and sensei in particular is much more like mr./ms., but san/chan/kun are terms of endearment that remind me more of the second name in a southern name
I must say that I really like the idea of the southern secondary name being used like Japanese honorifics, in that they can be changed in certain contexts.
Like, Mary-Ann, Mary-Lynn, and Mary-Sue are all the same person, but one is what her friends call her and another is what her younger siblings call her, etc.
Quote from: Ｐｏｐ"ｉｃｌ...！ on July 17, 2017, 11:54:31 PM
I must say that I really like the idea of the southern secondary name being used like Japanese honorifics, in that they can be changed in certain contexts.
Like, Mary-Ann, Mary-Lynn, and Mary-Sue are all the same person, but one is what her friends call her and another is what her younger siblings call her, etc.
wouldn't that be neat
i feel like the system is already half-way there
in fact, i remember once hearing that to some extent that does happen already, but only to people from beyond the southern region who don't have legal secondary names
for example, a mary from the north might actually become a mary-sue or a mary-ann when visiting the south, depending on who she's talking to, just because the additional name sounds more pleasant/natural to southern ears
unfortunately i don't have a source for that claim
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on July 17, 2017, 11:46:13 PM
those are much more formal though
san and chan and the other most common ones aren't really
i mean, japan has honorifics of respect too, and sensei in particular is much more like mr./ms., but san/chan/kun are terms of endearment that remind me more of the second name in a southern name
i'd say japanese culture and language is just more formal even in casual settings
interested in bluaki's take on this since she understands japanese better than any of us
Quote from: ƕɾο on July 18, 2017, 12:27:36 AM
i'd say japanese culture and language is just more formal even in casual settings
i agree, so an exact comparison can't really be made
but i'm only highlighting the surprisingly high degree of similarity between two linguistic phenomena that arose independently
like popsi said, we totally could and should combine them for greater effect
Popsi-Sue
Quote from: ƕɾο on July 18, 2017, 12:48:05 AM
Popsi-Sue
because I'm perfect yes thanks for acknowledging
I wouldn't say it's a term of endearment in the south that's just their name. Even if you hated their guts you'd still call them peggy-sue when talking shit about them
Also good title lol it immediately made me think of Japanese rednecks
shut up baby i know it
Popsi-sue just told me to shut it
giggle;
[I]popsi-cole
is mister bean japanese?
The real question is she Kelly-Anne-san or -chan?
for example, i just discovered i have a close relative named jill-anne, except as one word, which i think is kind of intredsating befuddlement
Quote from: TooB on July 17, 2017, 05:52:34 PMAnna-May
i just noticed how brilliant this post is lololol
wait a minute
Mother Dearest's own sisters and cousins call her "[*Ma's name*]-Ann !!" routinely. befuddlement
it is such a common thing on mother's side of the family that i never even noticed until now that she's an ideal example of this phenomenon
HEY MAAAA I WANT A COOL SOUTHERN HONORIFIC TOO cry;