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Title: identifying old world and new world biases in boyagers (warning: cluelessness)
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on May 08, 2017, 04:06:37 PM
when i say "old world", what i probably mean is something akin to "old school" or "old fashioned"

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/old-fashioned

old-fashioned sociological biases, specifically

for example: you probably would have understood me more clearly had i said "old school" to begin with, but in my old world mentality, "old school" sounds like [glow=black,2,300]ebonixxx[/glow] so i deliberately avoided using it lol hldjkshfsadkljf;sal (http://i.imgur.com/Mi8hy6n.gif)

What are your Old World and New World biases, Boyah? hocuspocus;

if you still don't quite understand what i mean (i'm not sure i do myself), see the following examples
Title: Re: facts about birds
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on May 08, 2017, 04:11:28 PM
example 2:

old world thinking: [glow=black,2,300]ebonixxx[/glow] is associated with poverty and crime and speaking it will reduce your job prospects and overall social standing in life (objective fact: http://www.nber.org/papers/w9873)

new world thinking: but that does not mean that [glow=black,2,300]ebonixxx[/glow] is not a valid american dialect, nor does it justify discrimination against its users
Title: Re: facts about birds
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on May 08, 2017, 04:14:10 PM
example 3:

old world thinking: video games are a wholly unproductive hobby

new world thinking: time wasted on something one enjoys is time well spent
Title: Re: facts about birds
Post by: rdl on May 08, 2017, 04:17:03 PM
that doodthing has breasts for eyes
Title: Re: facts about birds
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on May 08, 2017, 04:18:55 PM
example 4:

old world thinking: abortion is murder

new world thinking: my body my choice

it's the idea of idealism vs. pragmatism




and you know, what's interesting is that the old world and new world conclusions are never actually incompatible with one another

rather, they are complementary

combined thinking, using the previous example: abortion is a necessary evil that should always be readily available to those who might benefit from it, but we must work towards minimizing abortion rates
Title: Re: facts about birds
Post by: YPrrrr on May 08, 2017, 04:19:16 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 08, 2017, 04:14:10 PM
example 3:

old world thinking: video games are a wholly unproductive hobby

new world thinking: time wasted on something one enjoys is time well spent
I kind of do feel that my need to play video games is somewhat limiting the great contributions I could make to the world with that same time girl;

Although that goes for any hobby not just vidyas
Title: Re: facts about birds
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on May 08, 2017, 04:21:22 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 08, 2017, 04:06:37 PM
when i say "old world", what i probably mean is something akin to "old school" or "old fashioned"

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/old-fashioned

old-fashioned sociological biases, specifically

for example: you probably would have understood me more clearly had i said "old school" to begin with, but in my old world mentality, "old school" sounds like [glow=black,2,300]ebonixxx[/glow] so i tried to avoid using it lol hldjkshfsadkljf;sal (http://i.imgur.com/Mi8hy6n.gif)


Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 08, 2017, 04:11:28 PM
example 2:

old world thinking: [glow=black,2,300]ebonixx[/glow] is associated with poverty and crime and speaking it will reduce your job prospects and overall social standing in life (objective fact: http://www.nber.org/papers/w9873)

new world thinking: but that does not mean that [glow=black,2,300]ebonixx[/glow] is not a valid american dialect, nor does it justify discrimination against its users


Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 08, 2017, 04:14:10 PM
example 3:

old world thinking: video games are a wholly unproductive hobby

new world thinking: time wasted on something one enjoys is time well spent


Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 08, 2017, 04:18:55 PM
example 4:

old world thinking: abortion is murder

new world thinking: my body my choice

it's the idea of idealism vs. pragmatism




and you know, what's interesting is that the old world and new world conclusions are never actually incompatible with one another

rather, they are complementary

combined thinking, using the previous example: abortion is a necessary evil that should always be readily available to those who might benefit from it, but we must work towards minimizing abortion rates


^^^ psychotic ramblings of a drugged-out armchair sociologist who thinks he's hot shit, ignore him before both of his heads get a little too big ^^^
Title: Re: facts about birds
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on May 08, 2017, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: YPargh on May 08, 2017, 04:19:16 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 08, 2017, 04:14:10 PM
example 3:

old world thinking: video games are a wholly unproductive hobby

new world thinking: time wasted on something one enjoys is time well spent
I kind of do feel that my need to play video games is somewhat limiting the great contributions I could make to the world with that same time girl;

Although that goes for any hobby not just vidyas


combined thinking: relaxing with an unproductive hobby is in itself productive as a means of relieving everyday stress, but do keep your time spent with unproductive hobbies moderated or they could have the opposite effect
Title: Re: facts about birds
Post by: YPrrrr on May 08, 2017, 04:27:17 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 08, 2017, 04:18:55 PM
example 4:

old world thinking: abortion is murder

new world thinking: my body my choice

it's the idea of idealism vs. pragmatism




and you know, what's interesting is that the old world and new world conclusions are never actually incompatible with one another

rather, they are complementary

combined thinking, using the previous example: abortion is a necessary evil that should always be readily available to those who might benefit from it, but we must work towards minimizing abortion rates
apparently I'm old world too girl;

I don't think your combined thinking is a very good compromise for those who believe abortion is murder though. If abortion is necessary  you could also easily argue euthanasia of the those who require assistance to continue to live or function is necessary for the benefit of others. Often throughout history murder is sugarcoated as being purportedly for the greater good or benefit of a people or society or even a singular persons situation
Title: Re: facts about birds
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on May 08, 2017, 04:27:22 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 08, 2017, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: YPargh on May 08, 2017, 04:19:16 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 08, 2017, 04:14:10 PM
example 3:

old world thinking: video games are a wholly unproductive hobby

new world thinking: time wasted on something one enjoys is time well spent
I kind of do feel that my need to play video games is somewhat limiting the great contributions I could make to the world with that same time girl;

Although that goes for any hobby not just vidyas


combined thinking: relaxing with an unproductive hobby is in itself productive as a means of relieving everyday stress, but do keep your time spent with unproductive hobbies moderated or they could have the opposite effect


sources:

clause 1 (video games good): http://ijoc.org/index.php/ijoc/article/view/5586/1742

clause 2 (video game addiction bad): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3832462/
Title: Re: facts about birds
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on May 08, 2017, 04:29:13 PM
Quote from: YPargh on May 08, 2017, 04:27:17 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 08, 2017, 04:18:55 PM
example 4:

old world thinking: abortion is murder

new world thinking: my body my choice

it's the idea of idealism vs. pragmatism




and you know, what's interesting is that the old world and new world conclusions are never actually incompatible with one another

rather, they are complementary

combined thinking, using the previous example: abortion is a necessary evil that should always be readily available to those who might benefit from it, but we must work towards minimizing abortion rates
apparently I'm old world too girl;


old world: ypr is a terrible, nonpracticing 'catholic'

new world: and yet ypr is a model christian citizen

both of these are true statements

and yet they seem and feel contradictory on the surface
Title: Re: facts about birds
Post by: YPrrrr on May 08, 2017, 04:31:47 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 08, 2017, 04:27:22 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 08, 2017, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: YPargh on May 08, 2017, 04:19:16 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 08, 2017, 04:14:10 PM
example 3:

old world thinking: video games are a wholly unproductive hobby

new world thinking: time wasted on something one enjoys is time well spent
I kind of do feel that my need to play video games is somewhat limiting the great contributions I could make to the world with that same time girl;

Although that goes for any hobby not just vidyas


combined thinking: relaxing with an unproductive hobby is in itself productive as a means of relieving everyday stress, but do keep your time spent with unproductive hobbies moderated or they could have the opposite effect


sources:

clause 1: http://ijoc.org/index.php/ijoc/article/view/5586/1742

clause 2: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3832462/
I don't need sources lol girl; I know relaxation is good for the mind body and soul but I tend to have trouble rationalizing doing more work when I'm in my "spare time"
Title: Re: facts about birds
Post by: YPrrrr on May 08, 2017, 04:37:45 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 08, 2017, 04:29:13 PM
Quote from: YPargh on May 08, 2017, 04:27:17 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 08, 2017, 04:18:55 PM
example 4:

old world thinking: abortion is murder

new world thinking: my body my choice

it's the idea of idealism vs. pragmatism




and you know, what's interesting is that the old world and new world conclusions are never actually incompatible with one another

rather, they are complementary

combined thinking, using the previous example: abortion is a necessary evil that should always be readily available to those who might benefit from it, but we must work towards minimizing abortion rates
apparently I'm old world too girl;


old world: ypr is a terrible, nonpracticing 'catholic'

new world: and yet ypr is a model christian citizen

both of these are true statements

and yet they seem and feel contradictory on the surface
Eh the new world is too nice girl; I mean model citizen sorta in that I have a job and vote and pay taxes and don't get arrested I suppose. I guess I'm technically Christian though I constantly question the dogma. It's very technically accurate I'll give you lol
Title: Re: facts about birds
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on May 08, 2017, 04:38:33 PM
both old world and new world have their time, place, audience, and practical application

but when both styles of thinking are present in a single mind simultaneously, a single mind that doesn't realize that they aren't necessarily incompatible, then they lead to cognitive dissonance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance), which causes all sorts of bad thinking habits and psychological complexes

it's part of the reason i'm so fuck;ed up and i'm only now realizing it lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
Title: Re: facts about birds
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on May 08, 2017, 04:41:50 PM
Quote from: YPargh on May 08, 2017, 04:37:45 PM
Eh the new world is too nice girl;


i'm not just pointlessly fluffing you up

Quote from: YPargh on April 25, 2017, 09:20:00 PM
My Catholic schools, and most others I know of actually, taught evolution in our science classes with a caveat that some religious scholars disagreed on the subject. It was generally explained to me, however, that Catholicism and evolution had no major issues and could coexist.

I am a very lax Catholic especially since moving away from family. I still enjoy the traditions and the moral guidance and I really like the new Pope who I think brings a voice of reason to the world. However there are Catholic ideas I disagree with so I wouldn't say I'm 100% on board. I think the idea that hell awaits anyone who doesn't follow Jesus is ludicrous when God is supposed to be full of unconditional love. That being born in a certain part of the world would increase your likelihood of following another religion and thereby doom you.
Title: Re: facts about birds
Post by: YPrrrr on May 08, 2017, 04:51:10 PM
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 08, 2017, 04:38:33 PM
both old world and new world have their time, place, audience, and practical application

but when both styles of thinking are present in a single mind simultaneously, a single mind that doesn't realize that they aren't necessarily incompatible, then they lead to confirmation bias (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias), which causes all sorts of bad thinking habits and psychological complexes

it's part of the reason i'm so fuck;ed up and i'm only now realizing it lol
well I mean id say thats a great thing normally and often I'm very good at seeing both sides of something like that and making their logic meet together however I admit to being much too emotionally invested in abortion to ever see anything other than a life or death situation requiring it to be necessary. Obviously somewhat idealistic but I have to morally stand on something I've wavered on so much
Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 08, 2017, 04:41:50 PM
Quote from: YPargh on May 08, 2017, 04:37:45 PM
Eh the new world is too nice girl;


i'm not just pointlessly fluffing you up

Quote from: YPargh on April 25, 2017, 09:20:00 PM
My Catholic schools, and most others I know of actually, taught evolution in our science classes with a caveat that some religious scholars disagreed on the subject. It was generally explained to me, however, that Catholicism and evolution had no major issues and could coexist.

I am a very lax Catholic especially since moving away from family. I still enjoy the traditions and the moral guidance and I really like the new Pope who I think brings a voice of reason to the world. However there are Catholic ideas I disagree with so I wouldn't say I'm 100% on board. I think the idea that hell awaits anyone who doesn't follow Jesus is ludicrous when God is supposed to be full of unconditional love. That being born in a certain part of the world would increase your likelihood of following another religion and thereby doom you.

I am sorry I am just about wholly incapable of accepting praise. So thank you for your words although I have difficulty believing them perhaps because you only get to know me through the side I present and therefore I feel your opinion is misled by that biased information .

God I'm a nut  n_u

But really thanks for your support
Title: Re: facts about birds
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on May 08, 2017, 04:52:46 PM
Quote from: YPargh on May 08, 2017, 04:51:10 PM
God I'm a nut  n_u


me too fam musica.cards;
Title: Re: facts about birds
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on May 08, 2017, 04:56:56 PM
i have been dropping Old World truths on bluaki for days now and i'm sure she feels beaten by it lol

but hopefully not too beaten
Title: Re: facts about birds
Post by: Travis on May 08, 2017, 06:47:48 PM
im probably a liberal person overall, but honestly any time i see even the slightest trace of sjw retardation i feel like being an actual card carrying fascist
Title: Re: facts about birds
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on May 08, 2017, 07:17:16 PM
Quote from: Travis on May 08, 2017, 06:47:48 PM
im probably a liberal person overall, but honestly any time i see even the slightest trace of sjw retardation i feel like being an actual card carrying fascist


you and everyone else

http://boyah.net/forums/index.php/topic,68799.0.html

but the important thing is that you realize that such people are extremists, their numbers are actually quite small (though they create the illusion of being more numerous than they are by simply being as loud and obnoxious and inflammatory as possible), and that to retaliate by become a card-carrying fascist would make you just as much of an ignorant reactionary as they are, deepen the divide, and in the long term, make society just that much worse for everyone, you and them included lol
Title: Re: facts about birds
Post by: rdl on May 08, 2017, 09:02:46 PM
Quote from: ADX on May 08, 2017, 04:17:03 PM
that doodthing has breasts for eyes
this was my contribution to this discussion
Title: Re: identifying old world and new world biases in boyagers (warning: cluelessness)
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on May 10, 2017, 09:29:50 PM
Quote from: YPargh on May 08, 2017, 01:47:15 PM
Also before I wrote as if you were from the Americas when the old world would be Europe I'm so dumb  >_<'


that's probably because, if you're like me, you perceive south america as being just a bit more 'old world' than the us is (aren't i an ignorant one), even though it's of course not literally a part of the geographical old world lol

my Oldish World parents emigrated from the south american region
Title: Re: facts about birds
Post by: Kalahari Inkantation on May 24, 2017, 12:31:05 PM
Quote from: YPargh on May 08, 2017, 04:31:47 PM
I tend to have trouble rationalizing doing more work when I'm in my "spare time"


Quote from: Thyme on May 24, 2017, 09:52:17 AM
fuck this line of thinking tbh
you're resting from your miserable daily dead-end grind
rest how the fuck you want
Title: Re: identifying old world and new world biases in boyagers (warning: cluelessness)
Post by: YPrrrr on May 24, 2017, 12:34:32 PM
Yeah but I'm somewhat concerned with personal legacy so that doesn't work for me long term