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in this scenario, "independent california" has absolutely no access to us federal military infrastructure of any sort, and the us itself is entirely uninvolved in the issue

california is otherwise exactly the same as irl (as is canada)

also, no norcal-socal infighting nonsense, no quebec-roc infighting nonsense

all of california is unified against the canadian menace

all of canada is unified against the californian menace

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i'd like to hear your opinions before i post my own lol

canada obviously

Quote from: wawi on May 06, 2017, 06:54:29 PM
canada obviously

why do you say that

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 06, 2017, 06:55:07 PM

Quote from: wawi on May 06, 2017, 06:54:29 PM
canada obviously

why do you say that

northern gun owners wouldnt fight for California,
the rest would try to protest the invasion with signs relating it to harry potter and star wars

okay, another assumption:

no norcal-socal infighting nonsense

all of california is unified against the canadian menace

Quote from: wawi on May 06, 2017, 06:58:19 PM

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 06, 2017, 06:55:07 PM

Quote from: wawi on May 06, 2017, 06:54:29 PM
canada obviously

why do you say that

northern gun owners wouldnt fight for California,

But you think they'd allow themselves to be taken by Trudeau? goowan

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 06, 2017, 07:01:54 PM

Quote from: wawi on May 06, 2017, 06:58:19 PM

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 06, 2017, 06:55:07 PM

Quote from: wawi on May 06, 2017, 06:54:29 PM
canada obviously

why do you say that

northern gun owners wouldnt fight for California,

But you think they'd allow themselves to be taken by Trudeau? goowan

not even canada likes Trudeau

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 06, 2017, 07:00:52 PM
okay, another assumption:

no norcal-socal infighting nonsense

all of california is unified against the canadian menace

in that case california

Quote from: wawi on May 06, 2017, 07:05:28 PM
in that case california

And why do you say that?

I don't think either would win really California's geography does not lend itself to being conquered quickly which I believe Canada would need to do to avoid loss by attrition. Canada is too large and I doubt many Californians would do very well in a Canadian winter leading to a similar issue of attrition.

If you put one army on a field against another I will give it to Canada as they have fought in World War conflicts as a united nation where California has not and likely would just give up to get Canadian health care

be sure to consider things like population, population density, gdp, the size of california's police force vs. the canadian military, gun ownership, canada's successes and failures in its historical military conflicts, technology levels, etc.

CA wins

also consider that neither of them is allowed to breach the us border

all military asset transfer to or from either warring party must occur by air or by sea until it lands in enemy territory

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 06, 2017, 07:57:38 PM
also consider that neither of them is allowed to breach the us border

all military asset transfer to or from either warring party must occur by air or by sea until it lands in enemy territory

Quoteif you klll your enemies they win

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 06, 2017, 07:57:38 PM
also consider that neither of them is allowed to breach the us border

all military asset transfer to or from either warring party must occur by air or by sea until it lands in enemy territory

Then Canada easily wins if CA can't use federal units!

a unified california police force will assume the role of military for this conflict

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 06, 2017, 08:58:50 PM
a unified california police force will assume the role of military for this conflict

I mean that works as a joke but in reality it doesn't girl;

And why doesn't it? scarecrowdood;

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 06, 2017, 11:09:17 PM
And why doesn't it? scarecrowdood;

Canada would have a full airforce with jets and a navy at its disposal which California on its own does not possess. Actually come to think of it Canada could win simply by using incendiaries and targeting fresh water sources and power sources like the Hoover dam. California would be broken fairly easily

I would assume that the Californian military would have an equivalent military in most regards to the US, proportional in size to that of either California's proportion of the US population or that of it's current contribution to the US Military

it would be a logistical cluster fucker for both sides lol.

Quote from: YPargh on May 06, 2017, 11:23:08 PM

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 06, 2017, 11:09:17 PM
And why doesn't it? scarecrowdood;

Canada would have a full airforce with jets and a navy at its disposal which California on its own does not possess. Actually come to think of it Canada could win simply by using incendiaries and targeting fresh water sources and power sources like the Hoover dam. California would be broken fairly easily

my instinct was to say that canada would win for about the same reasons

a large independent advanced country with proper armed forces vs. a newly independent state and its unified, militarized police force

and then canada (and its predecessor territories) has two centuries of military expertise behind it, fighting alongside the best of the best, with not a single loss in that time; while an independent california will have had no proper military experience whatsoever

canada, with the largest maritime border in the world, should naturally have an extremely well developed navy, right

geographically, it's sparse and frigid, so it would be very difficult to take over entirely, especially for arid desert folk like californians

So clearly Canada would win, right? befuddlement

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 30, 2017, 05:32:38 PM

Quote from: YPargh on May 06, 2017, 11:23:08 PM

Quote from: Majorana's Mask on May 06, 2017, 11:09:17 PM
And why doesn't it? scarecrowdood;

Canada would have a full airforce with jets and a navy at its disposal which California on its own does not possess. Actually come to think of it Canada could win simply by using incendiaries and targeting fresh water sources and power sources like the Hoover dam. California would be broken fairly easily

my instinct was to say that canada would win for about the same reasons

a large independent advanced country with proper armed forces vs. a newly independent state and its unified, militarized police force

and then canada (and its predecessor territories) has two centuries of military expertise behind it, fighting alongside the best of the best, with not a single loss in that time; while an independent california will have had no proper military experience whatsoever

canada, with the largest maritime border in the world, should naturally have an extremely well developed navy, right

geographically, it's sparse and frigid, so it would be very difficult to take over entirely, especially for arid desert folk like californians

So clearly Canada would win, right? befuddlement

Yes Canada would win. Canada also has large supplies of freshwater and oil, which California does not. They would be worn down

what about quebec vs california

Quote from: SVT on May 30, 2017, 07:51:50 PM
what about quebec vs california

that one's easy ifeelbetter;

all i can say is at least canada doesn't force auto manufacturers to put this on cars

(http://i.imgur.com/kmF12WG.png)


and why nobody who works in commifornian branches at work removes these stickers baffles me

i asked this question of my sister, figuring she could lend some insight as a california citizen

her response as to who would win: [glow=black,2,300]washington[/glow]

i lol'd

California, 100%. Prove me wrong. srsly

Trudeaun't would even welcome, with open arms, the Khalif*rnian troops as refugees. ifeelbetter;