So we don't just clog up the ch*t thread with this stuff, let's predict some horrible stuff.
you go first, tec :'(
http://livestream.com/tectr
streaming it live tomorrow at 6pm est/5 central/3 pacific, the event will likely be anywhere from one to two hours long nyandood;
final fantasy versus xiii will be a launch title
Quote from: Rain Man on February 19, 2013, 04:41:32 PM
final fantasy versus xiii will be a launch title
for the ps9 y/n
sony ps 4 will have bud grinder in it that would clog up the cooling fans w/ marijuana and over heat the proccesser or watever
Wonderbook 2.0????
entirely cloud-based nyandood;
hopes:
a simple name, playstation 4 would be fine. none of this 'orbis' crap.
one sku. just put a 500gb hdd inside and keep it user replaceable.
taking notes from the ps vita and using commonly found components instead of spending too much on development.
fears:
all of this will be ignored smithicide;
Quote from: Thyme on February 19, 2013, 04:45:38 PM
entirely cloud-based nyandood;
>>/steam/
Quote from: Thyme on February 19, 2013, 04:45:38 PM
entirely cloud-based nyandood;
there won't be a dedicated console: it will be just a service available to multiple devices y/n
Quote from: Thyme on February 19, 2013, 04:45:38 PM
entirely cloud-based nyandood;
The game discs don't even really have anything on them, they're just there to start the download process.
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on February 19, 2013, 04:50:58 PM
The game discs don't even really have anything on them, they're just there to start the download process.
lote wins
and ugh i hate it when software does that smithicide;
though it's not a disc it's an executable
Quote from: Thyme on February 19, 2013, 04:52:06 PM
and ugh i hate it when software does that smithicide;
though it's not a disc it's an executable
(Chrome)
Quote from: Dovydas on February 19, 2013, 04:46:45 PM
hopes:
a simple name, playstation 4 would be fine. none of this 'orbis' crap.
one sku. just put a 500gb hdd inside and keep it user replaceable.
taking notes from the ps vita and using commonly found components instead of spending too much on development.
i agree with all of this, and i have a few additional and totally unrealistic hopes of my own
-backwards-compatibility with all previous home playstation games, both those in disc and those in digital format
-ps3 streaming service enables physical ps3 games to be recognized by ps4 and subsequently streamed to it
-at least the online features which are currently free remain so
-no drm more restrictive than what we currently see on the ps3, still allowed to play used games, no persistent online connection necessary, etc.
-reasonable price tag
-no wii u-emulation via vita gimmicks
-no increase in the msrp of new games
-no pseudokinect nonsense
-2014
Quote from: Dovydas on February 19, 2013, 04:46:45 PM
fears:
all of this will be ignored smithicide;
Quote from: Dovydas on February 19, 2013, 04:58:29 PM
any google 'product' really awdood;
Oh yeah, that is right.
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 19, 2013, 04:58:54 PM
-at least the online features which are currently free remain so
srsly
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on February 19, 2013, 04:50:58 PM
The game discs don't even really have anything on them, they're just there to start the download process.
according to rumours this is exactly what the new xbox does
Quote from: Thyme on February 19, 2013, 05:01:16 PM
srsly
watch half of them not be though. just think of the improvements they've made to the current service after ps+
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 19, 2013, 05:02:56 PM
according to rumours this is exactly what the new xbox does
new xbox does sound like a disaster :(
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on February 19, 2013, 05:03:28 PM
watch half of them not be though. just think of the improvements they've made to the current service after ps+
yeah exactly, even stupid basic things that should be standard like autoupdate are ps+ exclusive smithicide;
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on February 19, 2013, 05:04:11 PM
new xbox does sound like a disaster :(
I hope it's not true. (http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3562/magicedumacatezk1.gif)
Quote from: Thyme on February 19, 2013, 05:01:16 PM
srsly
oh god me too :'(
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 19, 2013, 04:58:54 PM
-no increase in the msrp of new games
ugh. smithicide;
truly, i'd rather have flexible pricing with games like japan has rather than a flat $69.99 awdood;
live suicides
what i actually expect:
-retains numbered ps4 name (perhaps with a subtitle???)
-backwards-compatible with ps1 discs, but not ps2 or ps3 discs at all, meaning all disc games will need to be repurchased
-loss of many currently free features of psn to ps+, only the most fundamental aspects of online play remain free to all such that the 'real' experience requires a ps+ subscription anyway
-no drastic restrictions on used games immediately, but gradually we will see more baby steps a la the online pass
-no drastic increases in drm in general, but eventually we'll see more and more games which require a persistent online connection, require an activation code, etc.
-$400 minimum price tag, likely closer to $500
-we will indeed see wii u-esque vita gimmicks which will quickly be forgotten about
-no major change in msrp of games
-updated pseye comparable to kinect, will hopefully flop in a similar manner
-2013
/me died
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 19, 2013, 05:14:08 PM
-no drastic restrictions on used games immediately, but gradually we will see more baby steps a la the online pass
like apparently the vita doesn't grant trophies when it detects that certain titles are used, i guarantee we'll be seeing more soft restrictions like that rather that a sudden full-on ban of used games goowan
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 19, 2013, 05:14:08 PM
-updated pseye comparable to kinect, will hopefully flop in a similar manner
unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have flopped all that much. microsoft gives out a bs 'shipped' number of 24 million, but i fear the total sold is not more than a few million off.
Quote from: Dovydas on February 19, 2013, 05:26:38 PM
unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have flopped all that much. microsoft gives out a bs 'shipped' number of 24 million, but i fear the total sold is not more than a few million off.
sales-wise it's been hugely successful for them, but in terms of content there's nothing but wannabe wii games
though i guess i'm hoping the for the pseudokinect to be more like the ps move in that in flopped both sales-wise and in terms of content but didn't seem to affect the flow of standard ps3 games goowan
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 19, 2013, 05:26:15 PM
like apparently the vita doesn't grant trophies when it detects that certain titles are used, i guarantee we'll be seeing more soft restrictions like that rather that a sudden full-on ban of used games goowan
um tec that can be easily circumvented by formatting the game card on the vita
Quote from: Rain Man on February 19, 2013, 05:31:03 PM
um tec that can be easily circumvented by formatting the game card on the vita
i still think it's an intentional discouragement, but if not, sony should try to make that important piece of information a bit more obvious then goowan
that also leads me to wonder wtf the point of the vastly overpriced memory cards is when all games seem to save to the game card itself anyway
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 19, 2013, 05:37:00 PM
that also leads me to wonder wtf the point of the vastly overpriced memory cards is when all games seem to save to the game card itself anyway
music and movies nyandood;
and digital games of course...............
Quote from: Thyme on February 19, 2013, 05:39:52 PM
music and movies nyandood;
well yeah, but i mean why is the memory card
mandatory for many games when
all games would have to save to the game card itself for that sort of trophy restriction to be possible
unless some game cards only save a 'used' checkmark to themselves while the rest of the save data goes to the memory card, in which case that seems like a huge and unnecessary waste
look at all this effort i have to put in to be able to play my used games as they were meant to be
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 19, 2013, 07:28:51 PM
as they were meant to be
still in the previous owner's collection? ifeelbetter;
awdood;
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 19, 2013, 07:28:51 PM
look at all this effort i have to put in to be able to play my used games as they were meant to be
at least you don't have to buy a code to delete the data, tec
that'll come next
Most” of the PS4′s online features will require a premium subscription to use, and this new premium online service will be called PlayStation World. It will replace PlayStation Plus.
also $430 and $530 for the two models
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/02/19/kotaku-ps4-out-nov-two-versions-could-be-429-and-529-most-online-features-will-require-subscription-ps-eye-with-every-console-new-controller-pics-phone-control/
HAHAHAH OH WOW SONY YOU DONE FUCKED UP
nice
it's exactly as i suspected tomatoes;
hopefully the rest of my nightmares will be confirmed with the official reveal goodjob;
done with console gaming
sony and microsoft are twisting my arms until i finally agree to fully switch over to pissy saddood;
well, $429 is lower than i was expecting for the base version lol awdood;
it's $30 higher than i was expecting, why such an odd number lol
and i wonder what the differences between the two models will be aside from hdd size and maybe a ps+ subscription
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 20, 2013, 11:22:11 AM
it's $30 higher than i was expecting, why such an odd number lol
no odder than the 169 price for a 3ds in my book befuddlement
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 20, 2013, 11:22:52 AM
and i wonder what the differences between the two models will be aside from hdd size and maybe a ps+ subscription
maybe the more expensive version finally realises the ps3's dream to have several unused hdmi outs
Quote from: Dovydas on February 20, 2013, 11:25:50 AM
no odder than the 169 price for a 3ds in my book befuddlement
idk, that was the result of a surprise price drop though lol
but starting off at $430 and $530 seems really strange
ridge racer 2.0????
done with gaming
QuoteA new spectating feature will let you watch other friends play games from your PS4′s dashboard. You don’t have to own their games to watch.
return of kazstreams y/n
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on February 20, 2013, 12:31:03 PM
all parties have to have it
uuuuuuuuuuuugh smithicide;
i wonder if sony will be able to guarantee dedicated servers at least if it really is expanding ps-?
TWO MORE HOURS UNTIL THE TORRENT OF HEINOUS NEWS tomatoes;
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 20, 2013, 01:10:48 PM
TWO MORE HOURS UNTIL THE TORRENT OF HEINOUS NEWS tomatoes;
hold me ;_;
it's getting closer~~~
one hour until the japanese economy is completely ruined smithicide;
kotaku
lol
it's not bad. but whatever the hell media molecule showed was horrible and destiny [which we pretty much already knew about coming to the ps4 due to the timing of its release and bungie's ten-year plan for it] is really the only highlight. smithicide;
it seems like sony just wanted to show people first before microsoft could. [spoiler]which i'll say at least this was better than microsoft's hilarious mtv 'special' to present the xbox 360 before e3 2005. [/spoiler]
Holiday 2013
looks like they're really rushing to get this thing out the door.
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 19, 2013, 05:14:08 PM
what i actually expect:
-retains numbered ps4 name (perhaps with a subtitle???)
-backwards-compatible with ps1 discs, but not ps2 or ps3 discs at all, meaning all disc games will need to be repurchased
-loss of many currently free features of psn to ps+, only the most fundamental aspects of online play remain free to all such that the 'real' experience requires a ps+ subscription anyway
-we will indeed see wii u-esque vita gimmicks which will quickly be forgotten about
-updated pseye comparable to kinect, will hopefully flop in a similar manner
-2013
all confirmed, and those that haven't been confirmed (mainly price) haven't been discussed at all yet
tec, at least according to wiki, it's actually not even compatible with ps1 discs goowan
oh joy
point 3 also wasn't confirmed
(http://cdn0.mos.techradar.futurecdn.net///art/games_consoles/PlayStation%204/PS4NYCAnnouncement/dualshock%204-580-75.jpg)
look at all the weird curves myface;
also it looks like the start/select buttons are completely gone and replaced with "share" and what looks like "options" to me
to use what would be the old start button, use one finger swipe from the left to right. for select, use two fingers in the same motion.
considering what the start button is usually used for, i think 'options' is a more fitting title anyway lol
looks like the d-pad's been tweaked too, but actually in a good way
Also I'm hoping for Spotify integration
also i have to say. the share feature is nice [at least in theory], finally instead of trying to awkwardly tell people what you did you can just show them easily. hopefully it can't be locked out in certain games.
http://www.destructoid.com/ps4-digital-titles-playable-as-they-download-246148.phtml
QuoteApparently, the games will be ready for you to play before you even click the buy button, the system learning your likes and dislikes in order to predict what it is you want.
Canadians and other people with bandwidth caps are going to love this feature giggle;
though if it's like the vita's screenshot function, they'll prevent you from taking upskirt shots awdood;
Quote from: Snack Dad on February 20, 2013, 05:52:56 PM
Also I'm hoping for Spotify integration
going to doubt that because sony is trying to push music unlimited
can you still play online for free? wth is w / the ps4 online thing
Quote from: silvertone on February 20, 2013, 06:02:39 PM
can you still play online for free? wth is w / the ps4 online thing
supposedly, yes, but virtually everything else requires a + account
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 20, 2013, 06:04:08 PM
supposedly, yes, but virtually everything else requires a + account
How long do you think until specific games start requiring + ?
Don't give them any ideas. smithicide;
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 20, 2013, 06:04:08 PM
supposedly, yes, but virtually everything else requires a + account
hopefully it will stay that Way
(http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/ds4_1.png)
the handles look like Move controllers, camera looks like a pill box
(http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/psmeeting5.png)
i don't understand the weird shape of that light strip
are r1 and l1 perfect circles? confuseddood;
unsure of those triggers
didn't he say the light strip identifies which player number your are or something like that
Quote from: Dovydas on February 20, 2013, 06:34:50 PM
didn't he say the light strip identifies which player number your are or something like that
Move does the same thing, it's just so the camera can know who's who because apparently technology is so shitty there's no other way for the system to know
I will say that although the controller is uglier, it does look more ergonomic.
Also I didn't ask why they had the light strip, just why it's that odd shape
Quote from: Snack Dad on February 20, 2013, 06:37:28 PM
I will say that although the controller is uglier, it does look more ergonomic.
definitely
also how could sony possibly afford to stuff 8gb of gddr5 ram in this thing and sell it for under $600
or even under $1000
8gb of ram is pretty cheap, phones these days have 2gb and this system has to last for 6-8 years
So after letting is sink in for a little bit, I think the controller looks alright, the games do look pretty decent and not too bad for launch titles really. I'm sure it'll turn out to be a decent system, although it might take a couple years so pick up steam, like the PS3. I think this will start out cheaper though, and it will probably gain support a bit earlier than the PS3 did.
I'll get one, but probably only when the price drops, so like in 2015 I'm guessing
Quote from: Snack Dad on February 20, 2013, 06:48:45 PM
8gb of ram is pretty cheap, phones these days have 2gb and this system has to last for 6-8 years
gddr3 is cheap
gddr5 isn't myface;
Full tech specs:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/20/4011496/playstation-4-tech-specs-revealed-amd-jaguar-cpu-faster-blu-ray-720p
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 20, 2013, 06:54:54 PM
gddr3 is cheap
gddr5 isn't myface;
Stuff gets cheaper for companies who buy it in mass quantities though
>802.11 b/g/n Wi-Fi
>no wireless-a
>stereo headset port
still don't get why they did this but okay
>extension port
>:|
>Bluetooth 2.1
aren't we way past that level at this point??
http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/20/PlayStation4-eye/
this seems kind of cool though. befuddlement but if the camera has microphones in it, couldn't I just use that instead of a headset? goonish
Quote from: Snack Dad on February 20, 2013, 06:57:02 PM
Stuff gets cheaper for companies who buy it in mass quantities though
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/19/nvidias-gtx-titan-supercomputer-gpu-revealed
$1000 for just 6gb
even if sony were to get a 50% discount on its materials... myface;
Quote from: Snack Dad on February 20, 2013, 07:09:17 PM
>802.11 b/g/n Wi-Fi
>no wireless-a
>stereo headset port
still don't get why they did this but okay
>extension port
>:|
>Bluetooth 2.1
aren't we way past that level at this point??
http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/20/PlayStation4-eye/
this seems kind of cool though. befuddlement but if the camera has microphones in it, couldn't I just use that instead of a headset? goonish
Yeah. I thought even the iPhone 4 had Bluetooth 4.0?? And don't the more expensive PS3 headsets use newer versions of Bluetooth explaining the need for the USB dongle?
I mean, Sony bumped it up to USB 3.0 so why not the BT?
also, I guess the system has about 8.5 times more FLOPS than the PS3
lol
Quote from: Snack Dad on February 20, 2013, 07:09:17 PM
>802.11 b/g/n Wi-Fi
>no wireless-a
this is a moot point as a is only widely used in enterprise applications
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 20, 2013, 07:09:29 PM
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/19/nvidias-gtx-titan-supercomputer-gpu-revealed
$1000 for just 6gb
even if sony were to get a 50% discount on its materials... myface;
well that's a stupid comparison
we're talking ram for the whole system, not just for a graphics card
also that price is for the entire card, not just the memory
and I may be wrong but I think they would get a bigger discount than 50%
looks like sony's going to be taking a huge loss per sale again if all of this is true if they want to keep it affordable
so from what I can find the graphics hardware is about on par with something you could get for a pc in 2008
obviously it'll be optimized a lot more though
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 20, 2013, 07:18:19 PM
looks like sony's going to be taking a huge loss per sale again if all of this is true if they want to keep it affordable
well supposedly that info came directly from Sony
It really doesn't seem that unreasonable to me, I'm guessing they'll sell it for either $400 or maybe $500 at most
but yeah they might sell it at a loss, who knows
Quote from: Snack Dad on February 20, 2013, 07:22:00 PM
so from what I can find the graphics hardware is about on par with something you could get for a pc in 2008
this is what i feared
junk gpu and cpu to compensate for the ram price which totally defeats the purpose of having all that ram in the first place
QuoteIn addition, DUALSHOCK®4 will come with a built-in speaker and stereo headset jack, enabling PS4 users to enjoy high-fidelity sound effects of games from both the TV and also from the controller.
unbelievable lol
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 20, 2013, 07:26:25 PM
this is what i feared
junk gpu and cpu to compensate for the ram price which totally defeats the purpose of having all that ram in the first place
well that was pretty high-end graphics hardware in 2008, plus the graphics on consoles get optimized a ton compared to what they can do on a PC. I think the 360's graphics hardware is something like you'd find in a PC in 2003 or something along those lines.
Plus the RAM this time isn't being used just for the games. It'll be really helpful when streaming games, demos, sharing gameplay videos, keeping the system on standby mode, and just overall running a more fluid and integrated UI where you can jump between different things quickly.
http://www.destructoid.com/sony-stock-nose-dives-after-ps4-reveal-246170.phtml
#tecnews
lmao
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 20, 2013, 07:30:55 PM
unbelievable lol
why lol
at least I'll be able to plug my headphones into the controller when I'm playing UNCH4RTED with you guys at night
Quote from: Thyme on February 20, 2013, 07:38:48 PM
http://www.destructoid.com/sony-stock-nose-dives-after-ps4-reveal-246170.phtml
#tecnews
LMAO WOW
INVITED ALL THOSE INVESTORS JUST FOR THEM TO SPIT IN KAZ'S FACE
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 20, 2013, 07:41:57 PM
LMAO WOW
INVITED ALL THOSE INVESTORS JUST FOR THEM TO SPIT IN KAZ'S FACE
ew no thanks
Quote from: Snack Dad on February 20, 2013, 07:31:52 PM
well that was pretty high-end graphics hardware in 2008, plus the graphics on consoles get optimized a ton compared to what they can do on a PC. I think the 360's graphics hardware is something like you'd find in a PC in 2003 or something along those lines.
Plus the RAM this time isn't being used just for the games. It'll be really helpful when streaming games, demos, sharing gameplay videos, keeping the system on standby mode, and just overall running a more fluid and integrated UI where you can jump between different things quickly.
2003 was just two years before the 360, 2008 was five years ago smithicide;
(http://medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/dir_2978/image_297875_thumb_wide940.jpg)
(http://medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/dir_2978/image_297876_thumb_wide940.jpg)
(http://medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/dir_2978/image_297877_thumb_wide940.jpg)
(http://medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/dir_2978/image_297878_thumb_wide940.jpg)
(http://medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/dir_2978/image_297879_thumb_wide940.jpg)
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/viewer.php?mode=article&id=297879#top_banner
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 20, 2013, 07:42:51 PM
2003 was just two years before the 360, 2008 was five years ago smithicide;
true, but it seems like graphical power has been slowing down lately anyways
Quote from: May on February 20, 2013, 07:42:43 PM
ew no thanks
i think he means kaz as in kazuo hirai
Quote from: Rain Man on February 20, 2013, 07:52:03 PM
i think he means kaz as in kazuo hirai
my goodness, you may be right! how silly of me! O_0
O_0
O_0
O_0
lol
Quote from: May on February 20, 2013, 07:53:36 PM
my goodness, you may be right! how silly of me! O_0
O_0
O_0
O_0
btw that post wasn't meant to be taken seriously
btw im not buying this pos
Quote from: Snack Dad on February 20, 2013, 07:40:58 PM
why lol
at least I'll be able to plug my headphones into the controller when I'm playing UNCH4RTED with you guys at night
it's the speaker and their promotion of it that i find unbelievable, not the headphone jack lol
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 20, 2013, 09:03:07 PM
it's the speaker and their promotion of it that i find unbelievable, not the headphone jack lol
honestly, and why could they not just put a mic into the controller anyways
I really don't see what they'll use the speaker for though
But since it comes with the camera which has microphones on it, everyone should be able to use voice chat without having to buy a headset anyways
at first I thought the headphone jack was dumb, but if it is indeed 3.5mm I could see myself using it quite a bit at night
Quote from: Snack Dad on February 20, 2013, 07:17:33 PM
well that's a stupid comparison
we're talking ram for the whole system, not just for a graphics card
also that price is for the entire card, not just the memory
and I may be wrong but I think they would get a bigger discount than 50%
gddrx is used
exclusively in graphics cards, though (hence the 'g'), so it's not like i can separate the cost of the ram from the cost of the rest of the card lol
(
ddrx is the type ram you can find standalone)
sony specifically said they'd be using gddr5, meaning it
has to be part of the gpu, which i guess the cpu will be able to borrow from when necessary
which would be an extremely expensive and unorthodox setup
the only 8gb gddr5 graphics card i can find:
http://www.amazon.com/nVidia-Computing-Processing-Module-Kepler/dp/B009ADXDSE/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1361432737&sr=1-3&keywords=gddr5
goowan
of course sony won't be using anything nearly that advanced but it won't be cheap for either consumers or sony no matter what
WHICH LEADS ME RIGHT BACK TO THE INITIAL QUESTION: HOW THE HELL ARE THEY/WE PAYING FOR THIS
because between the ps4 hardware itself, the new controller, and the kinect kinect, the only way this could possibly be sold at $430/$530 is if they take yet another massive loss
maybe they plan to have this thing either make them or break them because if it flounders like the ps3 did they're goners goowan
I really do feel like they went with more standardized technology to cut costs, and I really hope they learned they lesson from FIFE HUNDRED NINETY-NINE US DOLLARS, but my guess is that they will sell at pretty close to a loss if not a very minor one, and sell the system at $400 for 32GB model and $500 for 500GB or something along those lines.
Also my new opinion of the conference:
thumbup; - Games look decent enough, system overall seems solid, and in general they didn't fuck everything up
thumbdown; - Nothing in particular was very exciting or surprising, didn't show the system, """new""" logo is horrific
Overall - I definitely want one and look forward to seeing more of it, but I'm not particularly hyped.
Better pictures of the camera: http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2013/02/21/dualshock-4-revealed-pushing-the-boundaries-of-play/
Looks like each cube sections is either a camera or a mic, so 2 cameras and 4 microphones, and then that little nob on the right end to adjust the angle I guess.
also here you can get a better look at the bottom of it, where you can see two different ports:
[spoiler](http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/7727405/ps4_controller_with_camera.jpg)[/spoiler]
I really don't know what you would use that "expansion" port for or why
I want one.
Also Blizzard out with the release of Diablo III for PS3 pls argh;
you've already said it was coming so give me the damn release date so I can get my PS3 fixed before hand argh;
diablo 3 + boyagers = Diablo III gaymin nights y/y
Quote from: Kefka on February 21, 2013, 06:40:01 AM
I want one.
Also Blizzard out with the release of Diablo III for PS3 pls argh;
you've already said it was coming so give me the damn release date so I can get my PS3 fixed before hand argh;
diablo 3 + boyagers = Diablo III gaymin nights y/y
i doubt anyone wants to play anything other than uncharted 2
i can't wait for final fantasy versus xiii xv at e3 y/n
http://www.polygon.com/2013/2/21/4013432/playstation-4-4k-output-games
looks like my ps4 will still be able to watch 4k youtube videos vuvudood;
looks like my ps4 might finally be able to play 1080p games vuvudood;
Quote from: Rain Man on February 20, 2013, 07:52:03 PM
i think he means kaz as in kazuo hirai
i thought he meant the first speaker.
Quote from: Rain Man on February 21, 2013, 11:14:15 AM
i doubt anyone wants to play anything other than uncharted 2
more correctly, i doubt anyone wants to play diablo iii
Quote from: May on February 21, 2013, 02:41:50 PM
more correctly, i doubt anyone wants to play diablo iii
prove me wrong
RIP cell cpu, you... you shall not be missed (http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/8702/magiccrianb1.gif)
[spoiler]
though i would certainly miss its presence in my ps4 were i to ever get one insultdood;[/spoiler]
Quote from: Rain Man on February 21, 2013, 05:20:56 PM
prove me wrong
well it's not like we haven't played other games together as boyagers, we just don't much anymore n_u
but you don't even play games felt shush
i hope you're all ready and willing to play the last of us together bassir;
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 21, 2013, 05:38:00 PM
i hope you're all ready and willing to play the last of us together bassir;
of course, although i doubt i'll get it right away goowan
well i probably won't either lol
but i sure would like to cry;
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 21, 2013, 05:25:42 PM
RIP cell cpu, you... you shall not be missed (http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/8702/magiccrianb1.gif)
[spoiler]
though i would certainly miss its presence in my ps4 were i to ever get one insultdood;[/spoiler]
perfect cell
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-spec-analysis-playstation-4
Quote[...] we're looking at a cost-effective 50GB dual-layer unit rather than the more exotic 100GB quad-layer drives said to be coming in the future to accommodate 4K video playback.
this reminds me, whatever became of those high-capacity blu-ray discs that were all the rage for a few weeks and were supposed to be compatible with current drives via firmware updates akudood;
from the same article:
QuoteSo games on display at the PlayStation Meeting - like Watch Dogs, above - were running on PC instead.
oh
uh
oh
Quote from: May on February 21, 2013, 02:41:50 PM
more correctly, i doubt anyone wants to play diablo iii
i didnt know kaz = anyone/everyone
thanks for clearing that up bro
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 21, 2013, 09:06:13 PM
from the same article:
oh
uh
oh
well, it pretty much is a pc goowan
Quote from: Kefka on February 21, 2013, 09:08:14 PM
i didnt know kaz = anyone/everyone
thanks for clearing that up bro
how many active boyagers play mmos, though :(
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 21, 2013, 09:14:54 PM
how many active boyagers play mmos, though :(
FOR THE HUNDRETH TIME TEC
DIABLO III ISNT A MMO
GOD
DAMN
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-psn-games-wont-transfer-to-ps4
LOL
wow that fuck;ing sucks but wasn't totally unexpected
but jesus, now xbox live looks vastly superior in comparison to psn simply because it'll be compatible with previous generations of itself, this is an enormous handicap
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 21, 2013, 09:45:08 PM
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-psn-games-wont-transfer-to-ps4
LOL
wow that fuck;ing sucks but wasn't totally unexpected
but jesus, now xbox live looks vastly superior in comparison to psn simply because it'll be compatible with previous generations of itself, this is an enormous handicap
>implying you bought PS1 or PS2 games on the psn store
Quote from: Kefka on February 21, 2013, 09:52:51 PM
>implying you bought PS1 or PS2 games on the psn store
whether or not i own psn games isn't really the point
[spoiler]
But I
suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure am glad I never purchased any now. (http://boyah.net/forums/Smileys/default/clacky.gif)[/spoiler]
and how's that for a blow to consumer confidence
who's to say the ps5 won't be compatible with the ps4's psn titles, now
i see a significant reduction in future psn activity incoming ifeelbetter;
[spoiler]
as if faith in psn wasn't low enough after the hack/outage goonish[/spoiler]
this tectron complaining amuses me
Quote from: Kefka on February 21, 2013, 10:01:36 PM
this tectron complaining amuses me
my complaints are similar to those any other consumer would have, though, so sony'd better listen up
and that psn thing especially really isn't something that can be easily overlooked, that's just downright inexcusable and hurts their business at least as much as it hurts consumers
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 21, 2013, 09:58:46 PM
and how's that for a blow to consumer confidence
who's to say the ps5 won't be compatible with the ps4's psn titles, now
i see a significant reduction in future psn activity incoming ifeelbetter;
[spoiler]
as if faith in psn wasn't low enough after the hack/outage goonish[/spoiler]
ps5 won't even be compatible with ps5
i was about to agree with you tec but again i realized that of course it's not possible see as the system architecture is entirely different. the original quote says they would like to make them playable in some form though, probably meaning through streaming. hopefully that ends up being a real option.
Quote from: Snack Dad on February 22, 2013, 12:54:23 AM
i was about to agree with you tec but again i realized that of course it's not possible see as the system architecture is entirely different.
i know it's not
that doesn't make it any more excusable
this is entirely sony's fault for not having the foresight to think that
maybe this
might be a possibility if the ps3 were to use such radically different architecture from anything else before it
but no, they were arrogant and stupid enough to think that the cell would be SUCH a successful piece of technology that everybody and their mothers would want to use it in their own game consoles and telephones and televisions and computers and refrigerators and toasters and there would
never be any compatibility issues like this because the cell would ~redefine the standard~ and
of course the ps4 would use the technology as well
obviously that didn't happen, the cell was a complete and utter failure, and sony's unwavering megalomania is 100% the reason the ps4 will be a woefully incomplete platform
well yeah but that's 2006 Sony's fault lol
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 21, 2013, 10:03:16 PM
my complaints are similar to those any other consumer would have, though, so sony'd better listen up
lol tec no one cares about backwards compatibility anymore ifeelbetter;
Quote from: Snack Dad on February 22, 2013, 01:25:20 AM
well yeah but that's 2006 Sony's fault lol
i'm not sure how that makes it any better goowan
Quote from: Snowy on February 22, 2013, 05:04:50 AM
"Oh boy I can't wait to play that port!!!"
See, you complain about the way people treat you, but then you go out of your way to cause or continue trouble…
i wanna play that new jonathan blow game
http://www.latinospost.com/articles/12752/20130222/ps4-specs-console-wont-support-cds-ps3.htm
[spoiler](http://boyah.net/forums/Smileys/default/83055661vs5.png)[/spoiler]
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 21, 2013, 09:14:54 PM
how many active boyagers play mmos, though :(
i am always down to play a [ftp] mmo nyandood;
[spoiler]
what's most depressing is that every single one of these compatibility issues could be easily remedied by releasing an optional dongle which includes hardware that enables the ps4 to recognize older media
which sony has actually patented
but will never develop
even though it would be the perfect solution to problems like this[/spoiler]
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 22, 2013, 11:34:46 AM
[spoiler]
what's most depressing is that every single one of these compatibility issues could be easily remedied by releasing an optional dongle which includes hardware that enables the ps4 to recognize older media
which sony has actually patented
but will never develop
even though it would be the perfect solution to problems like this[/spoiler]
$100
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on February 22, 2013, 11:39:20 AM
$100
honestly, i think that'd be a reasonable asking price for the ability to play ps3/ps2/ps1 games on the ps4 smithicide;
not that i'd at all be happy about having to pay for what was once a standard feature in home consoles, but it'd at least give consumers the option of deciding for themselves whether or not they care about backwards compatibility and their psn games instead of having the imbeciles managing sony decide for them
Quote from: Snowy on February 22, 2013, 01:25:28 PM
shut the fuck up
Diablo 3 has been out for a year and they're porting it to the PS3/PS4/whatever and I was commenting on it
shut the fuck up lote
And you act like this and complain when people attack you back.
Generally people will get back what they try dish out. Though it doesn't excuse other people's actions, you yourself and the ways you choose to treat others are at least part of your own problem. I'm not saying it's all on you, but please, look at yourself.
let's focus our anger on sony here akudood;
Quote from: Snowy on February 22, 2013, 01:33:23 PM
okay thanks for the life lesson, dad
Well you act like such a kid, geez man
Quote from: Snowy on February 22, 2013, 01:36:59 PM
Yes, I act like the child. Yes, out of eeeeeveryone else here, I act like the child.
Okay lote. You keep living in your little fantasy world and I'll continue living in the real world.
Yes, other people act childish too. Myself included. I have no problems admitting that.
And I am so sorry, tec.
This is actually one of my problems, never backing off from something like this.
i guess it's okay because the damage sony will do to itself is far beyond what i could ever hope to accomplish by complaining about it online cry;
Quote from: Snowy on February 22, 2013, 01:42:58 PM
So then why do you only tell me that I'm acting like a child and no one else if you think that?
Because of how you complain that people treat you like trash and then you go on to do the same to others and lash out at others. You seem to hate it so much when it's done to you but have no qualms about doing it to others.
Quote from: Snowy on February 22, 2013, 01:46:51 PM
I fail to see how I'm lashing out at others but commenting on Diablo 3 being a port
I really, fail to see how I did anything wrong, so if you could point it out to me, that'd be super neato. I wouldn't want to anger father dearest again, would I?
Well look at what you just did to me. What exactly was that? And what you're doing in that post right now.
Quote from: Snowy on February 22, 2013, 01:54:42 PM
What was that?
That certainty wasn't what I was dishing out though. Except for the kid remark, which did go along with your dad remark, I've kept this calm and civilized on my half, whereas you immediately blow up and keep the aggressive and passive aggressive behavior flowing.
Why did you automatically resort to blowing up, telling me to shut up, cussing at me, and pouring your anger at me?
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 22, 2013, 05:52:36 AM
i'm not sure how that makes it any better goowan
should have been mad back then as opposed to now goowan
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 22, 2013, 10:33:02 AM
http://www.latinospost.com/articles/12752/20130222/ps4-specs-console-wont-support-cds-ps3.htm
[spoiler](http://boyah.net/forums/Smileys/default/83055661vs5.png)[/spoiler]
what the fuck;
Quote from: Snowy on February 22, 2013, 01:54:42 PM
What was that?
I don't remember lote ever being a dick, just you being an extremely sensitive shit right now akudood;
besides, that's a really childish mindset, that you have to "get back" at everyone
I'm not sure that's what his original quote even meant
Quote from: Snack Dad on February 22, 2013, 02:01:39 PM
should have been mad back then as opposed to now goowan
how could i possibly predict that sony would be too incompetent to clean up its own
sh.it akudood;
Quote from: Snowy on February 22, 2013, 02:16:24 PM
I don't have that mindset though??? I don't think I ever have so uh you're wrong?
You're proving perfectly otherwise and in fact just said previously that you were doing as such
Quote from: Snack Dad on February 22, 2013, 02:14:54 PM
goowan
intentional
but sony is 100% to blame for this, there's no way you can argue that average ps3 owners should have seen this coming and "been mad back then"
for a modern mass-produced computer system to be completely incompatible with all digital software designed for previous but recent iterations of itself is totally unprecedented awdood;
Quote from: Snowy on February 22, 2013, 02:16:24 PM
Because I'm tired of your preachy attitude towards me. How about you stop treating me like a child and we continue on our ways. n_n
And so you feel justified in treating other people this way even though you despise being treated like this?
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 22, 2013, 02:18:33 PM
intentional
but sony is 100% to blame for this, there's no way you can argue that average ps3 owners should have seen this coming and "been mad back then"
for a modern mass-produced computer system to be completely incompatible with all digital software designed for previous but recent iterations of itself is totally unprecedented awdood;
I wonder if at least it will allow you to copy over mp3 files to the harddrive
Though of course I'm sure it won't
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 22, 2013, 02:18:33 PM
intentional
well obviously, how could it not be akudood;
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 22, 2013, 02:18:33 PM
but sony is 100% to blame for this, there's no way you can argue that average ps3 owners should have seen this coming and "been mad back then"
average ps3 owners no, but it wasn't too wild to predict that the cell processor might not catch on and would lead to some issues in the future
of course sony's to blame though, it's just a decision they made long ago that's fucking it up now
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 22, 2013, 02:18:33 PM
previous but recent iterations of itself
they're completely different machines, only similar in branding
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 22, 2013, 02:18:33 PM
is totally unprecedented awdood;
nope
Quote from: Snowy on February 22, 2013, 02:47:40 PM
Treat me how you want to be treated
he did, you didn't doodhuh;
Quote from: Snack Dad on February 22, 2013, 02:50:53 PM
he did, you didn't doodhuh;
Which has been basically my whole point here
kill this thread
Quote from: Snowy on February 22, 2013, 02:52:32 PM
yes, I love being treated as a child
wow hiro you really know me so well
then don't act like a child, i'm typically pretty nice to you but you're being mean to lote when he didn't do anything goonish
So, the digital incompatibility is only because PS4 simply can't play software built for PS3, right?
What about purchased PS1/PS2 content or PS3 games that might get non-enhanced ports?
Quote from: http://www.polygon.com/2013/2/21/4013130/ps4-psn-backwards-compatibility-gaikai-cloudWhen asked if the aforementioned "cloud services" could work with your existing PSN library, recognizing your previous purchases and making those experiences available on the otherwise-incompatible PS4, Yoshida said, "We could do so if we choose to. We know who purchased what as a record. But we are working on service plans and we haven't decided."
i'm sorry if i misunderstood the question lol >.<
Quote from: Snack Dad on February 22, 2013, 02:44:58 PM
they're completely different machines, only similar in branding
the average consumer doesn't know and could not possibly care less about the inner working of their consoles, all they'll see is that for some reason their upgraded playstation won't be compatible with older digital playstation software in a world where:
-upgrading one's phone comes with the expectation of being able to transfer all of their old apps over to the new one
-upgrading one's tablet [...]
-upgrading one's pc [...]
-upgrading one's wii [...]
-upgrading one's ds [...]
-upgrading one's playstation handheld, even [...]
-likely, upgrading one's xbox [...]
and so on
who would buy an iphone knowing that every new iteration of the device would require them to either repurchase or simply do without every single one of their old apps (unless they actually use the old phone, in which case why even buy a new one) because of supposed 'hardware incompatibility issues' that they could not be less concerned with
And yet for some reason, the PS4 is the only machine that couldn't meet such a basic expectation of modern entertainment devices. awdood;
Quote from: Dovydas on February 22, 2013, 05:15:22 PM
i'm sorry if i misunderstood the question lol >.<
So basically they can do it but they're still figuring out if they can get away with charging for it in some way
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on February 22, 2013, 06:06:34 PM
So basically they can do it but they're still figuring out if they can get away with charging for it in some way
pretty much, probably this cloud streaming will be bundled with ps+
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 19, 2013, 05:14:08 PM
what i actually expect:
-no drastic restrictions on used games immediately, but gradually we will see more baby steps a la the online pass
-no drastic increases in drm in general, but eventually we'll see more and more games which require a persistent online connection, require an activation code, etc.
-no major change in msrp of games
all confirmed
http://bgr.com/2013/02/21/playstation-4-used-games-339174/
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-playstation-4-does-not-require-an-internet-connection
http://www.polygon.com/2013/2/22/4017168/ps4-games-priced-between-0-99-and-60
and now the very last thing is the price of the console itself
sorry tec i'm gonna have to be a huge lote and tell you you care way too much about this
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on February 22, 2013, 05:25:03 PM
-upgrading one's phone comes with the expectation of being able to transfer all of their old apps over to the new one
-upgrading one's tablet [...]
-upgrading one's pc [...]
-upgrading one's wii [...]
-upgrading one's ds [...]
Does Apple really grant the expectation to transfer all apps across devices and keep purchases when a device is lost?
I might not be especially familiar with it, but with what I've used of iOS and iTunes, it seems set up in some confusing way that unreliably may or may not keep track of which items you have purchased in a record which may or may not be consistent across Apple servers and your computer and iDevice.
For PC, Microsoft seems to be trying to prevent exactly that with their own software: Office 2013 changed the licensing scheme such that you only can install your copy on one computer exactly one time and it won't work if you reinstall Windows on that computer or move to another machine. Plenty of other things have similar DRM.
Nintendo actually keeps track of Wii and DS(i) digital purchases now? I might not have a 3DS nor Wii U, but as far as I can tell, it doesn't seem to associate 7th gen purchases with any sort of account outside of redeeming Club Nintendo coins. Also, there's plenty of Wii save data which they prohibit moving or copying from the original device.
lol oh god
snowy needs a break from the internet for a looooooooooooong while.
anyway has sony stated when they're going to reveal what the console looks like akudood;
Quote from: Kefka on February 22, 2013, 07:51:26 PM
anyway has sony stated when they're going to reveal what the console looks like akudood;
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx0qznq6sl1ql1l9yo1_500.gif)
poor ps4
There's no way this will be under $450 for the premium.
Unless they want to lose more money. But then again, everyone is doing that in the game industry these days.
Quote from: Snowy on February 22, 2013, 09:49:36 PM
~irony~
tell me how i need a break from the internet even with my limited internet resources
i'm ready for round 2
http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/22/4017222/sony-says-ps4-cloud-features-are-aspirational
Sony might as well be saying: Hey, guys, you know those features we spent an entire press conference talking about? They're just the result of our brainstorming and our console might not actually have them. Even at this seemingly pathetic progress we totally will release the console by the end of the year.
Quote from: bluaki on February 22, 2013, 07:29:27 PM
Does Apple really grant the expectation to transfer all apps across devices and keep purchases when a device is lost?
I might not be especially familiar with it, but with what I've used of iOS and iTunes, it seems set up in some confusing way that unreliably may or may not keep track of which items you have purchased in a record which may or may not be consistent across Apple servers and your computer and iDevice.
Yes. It takes up one of the five authorized devices if you lose one device.
http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/7932429/sony_ps4_controller_8_1020_verge_super_wide.jpg
is it just me or does the finish that surrounds the face buttons look like it would be better suited to the touch area? befuddlement
All the future fingerprints and scratches
http://www.polygon.com/2013/3/27/4153760/playstation-4-interface-accounts-social-functionality-dualshock-eye-gdc-2013
i should have looked at polygon earlier lol
why couldn't sony have just released screen shots of what the user interface looks like instead of just forcing them to try to describe it? awdood; and why all this love for ''''real'''' names all of the sudden?
QuoteThe light bar on the controller will be illuminated in a color that represents which player's controller it is: blue for player 1, red for player 2, green for player 3 and pink for player 4 â€" like the X, circle, triangle and square face buttons.
eh, okay. i guess sony's taking away the ability to play with seven players on one console cry;
QuoteAccording to Norden, few PS3 developers bothered to make use of the analog buttons. The DualShock 4's touchpad features a 1920x900 resolution, and it will click when you push it down.
ugh why does this worthless feature have to also have a button
Except for pink, those other colors match what I've seen in plenty of other games; they use yellow for P4.
Of course, the only games that come to mind for me are Nintendo ones, like SSB (which uses a slightly different order?), Mario Party, and Pokemon Stadium. Also, four swords uses purple instead of pink or yellow.
Why would sony order the buttons X, O, triangle, square? I thought O is more of a 'first' button in Japan than X.
Quote from: Dovydas on March 28, 2013, 07:46:26 PM
eh, okay. i guess sony's taking away the ability to play with seven players on one console cry;
There actually are games that implement more than four players?
Doesn't the DualShock 3 have a LED player indicator that's also limited to four?
The 7 limit is due to the bluetooth spec, which also is shared with accessories like headsets
Quote from: Dovydas on March 28, 2013, 07:46:26 PM
ugh why does this worthless feature have to also have a button
People actually advertise the resolution of touchpads? The hand interfacing with any touchpad is too imprecise for touch measurement of significant precision to be of any use.
Maybe they intend people to use it similar to a PC trackpad, using the pushing functionality similarly to a mouse click.
I feel like this feature is consistent with their existing analogue stick click
Quote from: bluaki on March 29, 2013, 11:51:06 PM
Except for pink, those other colors match what I've seen in plenty of other games; they use yellow for P4.
Of course, the only games that come to mind for me are Nintendo ones, like SSB (which uses a slightly different order?), Mario Party, and Pokemon Stadium. Also, four swords uses purple instead of pink or yellow.
Why would sony order the buttons X, O, triangle, square? I thought O is more of a 'first' button in Japan than X.
There actually are games that implement more than four players?
Doesn't the DualShock 3 have a LED player indicator that's also limited to four?
The 7 limit is due to the bluetooth spec, which also is shared with accessories like headsets
People actually advertise the resolution of touchpads? The hand interfacing with any touchpad is too imprecise for touch measurement of significant precision to be of any use.
Maybe they intend people to use it similar to a PC trackpad, using the pushing functionality similarly to a mouse click.
I feel like this feature is consistent with their existing analogue stick click
maybe the led strip's first colour is region dependant? the japanese playstation site just uses the same press images so it's hard to tell.
and yeah, but most of the games that use all seven bluetooth devices for controllers are mostly sports games. and for the higher number players it lights up 1&4 for five and so on.
and yeah, the touch pad will probably be almost never used.
[spoiler]oh god i hope it's not used for navigating the console's main menu ugly;[/spoiler]
Quote from: bluaki on March 29, 2013, 11:51:06 PM
Why would sony order the buttons X, O, triangle, square? I thought O is more of a 'first' button in Japan than X.
i wish they'd fix this problem
and all they'd have to do to make it as painless a transition as possible for both japan and the west is switch the current positions of the x and o buttons (as opposed to forcing one over to the other's standard)
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on March 30, 2013, 02:55:11 AM
i wish they'd fix this problem
and all they'd have to do to make it as painless a transition as possible for both japan and the west is switch the current positions of the x and o buttons (as opposed to forcing one over to the other's standard)
that wouldn't help any, because the japanese think of a circle as being a "confirm" kind of symbol, like a "yes" and x as a "no", while americans think of the x as selecting, like crosshairs, and a circle as nothing in particular. Plus for americans the button on the bottom is the main select button, while for japanese it's the first button on the right.
Quote from: Snack Dad on March 30, 2013, 03:14:23 AM
that wouldn't help any, because the japanese think of a circle as being a "confirm" kind of symbol, like a "yes" and x as a "no", while americans think of the x as selecting, like crosshairs, and a circle as nothing in particular. Plus for americans the button on the bottom is the main select button, while for japanese it's the first button on the right.
i know, and that's what i mean
if they were to place o in the position of x and x in the position of o, it would solve virtually all of those problems (o would no longer be the first button on the right, but that's not exactly the most difficult change to get accustomed to lol)
Quote from: Snack Dad on March 30, 2013, 03:14:23 AM
Plus for americans the button on the bottom is the main select button, while for japanese it's the first button on the right.
Nintendo leaves A on the right and it's always worked for them in all regions.
Sega's Dreamcast also placed A on the bottom and I don't think the intention for that was related to catering for American audiences.
http://www.youtubemultiplier.com/5155d1307781a-unreal-engine-4-elemental-demo-ps4-vs-pc.php
Quote from: bluaki on March 30, 2013, 08:42:56 AM
Nintendo leaves A on the right and it's always worked for them in all regions.
Sega's Dreamcast also placed A on the bottom and I don't think the intention for that was related to catering for American audiences.
well the only times nintendo has had a button layout where a would be on the left from what i can recall is the snes and DS, and in both cases neither button stands out to me although i do remember being confused on rare occasions as a kid on where A was vs B.
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on March 30, 2013, 03:34:46 AM
i know, and that's what i mean
if they were to place o in the position of x and x in the position of o, it would solve virtually all of those problems (o would no longer be the first button on the right, but that's not exactly the most difficult change to get accustomed to lol)
i'm not really understanding you i guess, since currently, for americans X is the "main" button and in the accustomed position, while in japan O is the "main" button and in the accustomed position
Quote from: Snack Dad on March 30, 2013, 05:28:18 PM
i'm not really understanding you i guess, since currently, for americans X is the "main" button and in the accustomed position, while in japan O is the "main" button and in the accustomed position
i mean put o in america's accustomed position and vice versa
[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/3ebhPy8.jpg)[/spoiler]
it would put everyone on the same standard so long as developers played along
Why does the new controller look so kinky?
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on March 30, 2013, 05:39:09 PM
i mean put o in america's accustomed position and vice versa
[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/3ebhPy8.jpg)[/spoiler]
it would put everyone on the same standard so long as developers played along
so the american layout and the japanese layout would both look like that? so to select, americans would use the red x and japanese would use that too? or they both use the blue circle??? i really don't get it lol
i feel like this would cause more issues than it solves akudood;
Quote from: Snack Dad on March 30, 2013, 06:50:14 PM
so the american layout and the japanese layout would both look like that? so to select, americans would use the red x and japanese would use that too? or they both use the blue circle??? i really don't get it lol
i feel like this would cause more issues than it solves akudood;
they'd both use circle to confirm and x to deny
okay but the japanese don't want that position for circle, and americans (i have no idea how they'd react lol, i guess they'd use it correctly)
also i don't get why the two symbols had to change colors really
he swaped the colours so it matched up with the logic behind having blue be player 1, red player 2 etc
Circle gets the square
x is confirm............im afraid of change
On a vaguely related note, when they were playing a couple japanese PS3 games today (project diva and gundam), some people in my anime club got confused over the X/O button swap sillydood;
Quote from: bluaki on March 31, 2013, 02:21:23 AM
On a vaguely related note, when they were playing a couple japanese PS3 games today (project diva and gundam), some people in my anime club got confused over the X/O button swap sillydood;
What bad weeaboos
Speaking of Japnese things, my PSP keeps its Japanese Circle/X swap for most games. befuddlement
Quote from: Dovydas on March 31, 2013, 10:45:52 AM
What bad weeaboos
Speaking of Japnese things, my PSP keeps its Japanese Circle/X swap for most games. befuddlement
Only some of them.
There are others, like the one who owns that project diva game and has high scores on expert in almost every song.
When playing that game I also was confused over part of the controls: somebody described that game's star icon (which appears alongside X/O/square/triangle) to me as "Press on the joystick. It doesn't matter which one." and I assumed they meant L3/R3 but instead it needs to be pressed/slid forward (or probably any direction away from the center) rather than clicked down.
Quote from: Snowy on March 31, 2013, 10:41:03 AM
That confused me a lot the first time I played a JP game on my PS3 >_<'
You have JP games? Why and which?
(http://i.imgur.com/4kHkuI4.jpg) (http://www.gamechup.com/nvidia-ps4s-gpu-is-more-powerful-than-xbox-720s-gpu-but-3x-slower-than-titan/)
Oh, look at that, xbox in the lead first two times around. Flopping real good.
geforce titan is real pricey though srs
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on March 31, 2013, 11:50:03 AM
Oh, look at that, xbox in the lead first two times around.
i like how they have the ps3 exactly equal to the 360 (((as it should be))) tomatoes;
but what's surprising to me is that the jump this time around is so small, and in general the trend seems to be that it's just getting smaller and more expensive :(
what i fail to understand is why >.<
i mean i know we're supposedly close to pressing upon the physical limits of moore's law, but that should still be somewhat far off and doesn't quite explain why we're paying so much more for so much less :'(
the original xbox launched at $300 and look at how it compared to the geforce 3
and now the titan is $1000, and the next set of consoles will be 1/3 as powerful as it is and yet still be around $500
Quote from: Thyme on March 31, 2013, 11:50:40 AM
geforce titan is real pricey though srs
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/Shogmaster/NV_BS_PR_zps9679244c.jpg)
ya srs
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on March 31, 2013, 11:47:05 AM
i mean it's nice to compare the absolute top-of-the-line gpus to consoles, it'd probably be more accurate to compare the most common card[
s] to the consoles.
[spoiler]and according to asus' youtbloob channel, most of its consumers don't opt for sli/crossfires confirguations as well sillydood; [/spoiler]
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on March 31, 2013, 11:53:08 AM
i like how they have the ps3 exactly equal to the 360 (((as it should be))) tomatoes;
but what's surprising to me is that the jump this time around is so small, and in general the trend seems to be that it's just getting smaller and more expensive :(
what i fail to understand is why >.<
law of diminishing returns
Quote from: bluaki on March 31, 2013, 11:39:18 AM
somebody described that game's star icon (which appears alongside X/O/square/triangle) to me as "Press on the joystick. It doesn't matter which one." and I assumed they meant L3/R3 but instead it needs to be pressed/slid forward (or probably any direction away from the center) rather than clicked down.
i... what, that sounds awful lol ugly;
Quote from: Dovydas on March 31, 2013, 12:10:02 PM
i mean it's nice to compare the absolute top-of-the-line gpus to consoles, it'd probably be more accurate to compare the most common card[s] to the consoles.
agreed
i bet it'd show a similar result, with the pc gpus closing in on the consoles over time
well, unless the prices of 'average' gpus have been going up as well, in which case the consoles might still be outpacing them
[spoiler]
#noideawhati'mtalkingabout[/spoiler]
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on March 31, 2013, 12:20:29 PM
i bet it'd show a similar result, with the pc gpus closing in on the consoles over time
of course it would. it's just that 99% of pc gaymers aren't experiencing the absolute ~best~ n_u
Quote from: Snack Dad on March 30, 2013, 05:28:18 PM
well the only times nintendo has had a button layout where a would be on the left from what i can recall is the snes and DS, and in both cases neither button stands out to me although i do remember being confused on rare occasions as a kid on where A was vs B.
nah, A is on the right on the snes
x
y a
b
and "a" was for confirming so yeah
just like always
Quote from: Madotsuki on March 31, 2013, 02:24:51 PM
nah, A is on the right on the snes
x
y a
b
and "a" was for confirming so yeah
just like always
i meant right sorry i was tired lol
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on March 31, 2013, 11:53:08 AM
but what's surprising to me is that the jump this time around is so small
only in terms of exponential improvement like the graph is using, really you're going from like 3 to 300 (or 6 to 450 maybe) from the xbox to 360
from 360/ps3 to ps4 you go from 300 (or 450 idk) up to roughly 2,000 i think.
the graph is confusing i don't even get how they can have exponential growth represented linearly like that, plus the space between them is 90, 900, 9000, but proportioned exponentially
[spoiler]i'm still tired so if i don't make any sense lol[/spoiler]
Quote from: Snack Dad on March 31, 2013, 03:02:57 PM
the graph is confusing i don't even get how they can have exponential growth represented linearly like that, plus the space between them is 90, 900, 9000, but proportioned exponentially
that's a logarithmic scale being used in the graph
directly comparing the price of desktop video cards and consoles isn't quite fair since consoles have a ton of other hardware which in particular increased a lot with 7th gen's semi-PCificiation (HDDs are the main new part that comes to mind)
is Titan even intended for gamers? I'd imagine that the most powerful video cards would be for computational-intensive research
If a more average PC is compared to current consoles, a comparison which I imagine matters more for developers, PC will always stagnate. The average PC is especially bad because, unfortunately for PC manufacturers, they haven't managed to convince consumers that they absolutely need to buy a new machine every few years ever since Windows Aero.
http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2013/04/sony_thought_long_and_hard_over_ps4s_lack_of_backward_compatibility
i can (reluctantly) accept that the ps4 won't be compatible with ps3 games
but what's their excuse for it being incompatible with ps1 and ps2 software, really awdood;
Quote from: HumuHumu...Tec on April 07, 2013, 03:30:09 PM
http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2013/04/sony_thought_long_and_hard_over_ps4s_lack_of_backward_compatibility
i can (reluctantly) accept that the ps4 won't be compatible with ps3 games
but what's their excuse for it being incompatible with ps1 and ps2 software, really awdood;
to promote its gaikai services lol
modern internet is at least decent enough for ps1 games to be streamed
ugh awdood;
Quote from: Dovydas on April 07, 2013, 03:39:35 PM
to promote its gaikai services lol
modern internet is at least decent enough for ps1 games to be streamed
Tell that to Thyme. :(
Quote from: ClassicTyler on April 07, 2013, 03:43:26 PM
Tell that to Thyme. :(
well it's more manageable now that i live alone, at least enough to use netflix, but yeah...
but why would he want to stream ps1 games when he's grown up to ps gaymen and has a ps3 still? goowan
Quote from: Dovydas on April 07, 2013, 03:48:02 PM
but why would he want to stream ps1 games when he's grown up to ps gaymen and has a ps3 still? goowan
i think it was just an example goowan
Or even myself.
I only get less than 1 mbs here.
>ps
oh god, i can't even say the dreaded term now
Quote from: Dovydas on April 07, 2013, 03:52:28 PM
>ps
oh god, i can't even say the dreaded term now
lol for some reason i read that as "he grew up with ps gayman", which i did, so it didn't seem weird to me