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Title: I'd Appreciate it if Y'all Read and Helped me with this
Post by: kougraducky on April 23, 2012, 03:37:33 PM
http://mandarose.tumblr.com/post/21665413130/semproject1

Please go there and read it and maybe comment on it here? It's for school, and I think it's actually pretty well written. :) Thanks!!!
Title: Re: I'd Appreciate it if Y'all Read and Helped me with this
Post by: YPrrrr on April 23, 2012, 04:28:23 PM
QuoteOn first thought about my project for this year, I was left completely speechless [speechless is more like shocked than say, clueless] as to what I should do. Was there something I was particularly interested in [PASSIVE] that would push my envelope [Doesn't make sense to me?] to research? What format would I do it in? I took two classes this semester: Humanities 1 and 2, and while I could see myself doing something in relation to music for my project, [this is kind of random, music is never mentioned before] I kept being drawn back to the readings from my Hum 2 course, in specific, Hamlet. My class had come came to the conclusion while discussing Hamlet that the poison that filled Denmark was the lies, deceit, and manipulation in the monarchy, and Denmark needed to be cleansed from these sinful ideas before it could start thriving as a successful country again.While discussing Hamlet, my class came to the conclusion that the poison which filled Denmark was representative of the lies, deceit, and manipulation of the monarchy. 2nd sentence


Idk second paragraph revisions idk i need to go to a study group, awayyyyy
Title: Re: I'd Appreciate it if Y'all Read and Helped me with this
Post by: YPrrrr on April 23, 2012, 04:34:14 PM
Also actually reading the context...

Good luck with that girl; Honesty is tough without omission as a friend. Also Boyah is not very God friendly n_u
Title: Re: I'd Appreciate it if Y'all Read and Helped me with this
Post by: Daddy on April 23, 2012, 04:38:50 PM
Quote from: NDDR on April 23, 2012, 04:34:14 PMAlso Boyah is not very God friendly n_u
Because that fag tried to take credit for Doodthing's work.
Title: Re: I'd Appreciate it if Y'all Read and Helped me with this
Post by: YPrrrr on April 23, 2012, 04:41:21 PM
Quote from: Khadafi on April 23, 2012, 04:38:50 PM
Because that fag tried to take credit for Doodthing's work.
Woah, woah. He prefers "nigger"
Title: Re: I'd Appreciate it if Y'all Read and Helped me with this
Post by: Andria on April 23, 2012, 04:43:31 PM
Quote from: NDDR on April 23, 2012, 04:34:14 PM

Good luck with that girl; Honesty is tough without omission as a friend. Also Boyah is not very God friendly n_u

That was my first thought/thoughts if you know what I am sayin' girl;

I don't really remember Hamlet being very Judea-Christian in context but I may be wrong

Also, I would argue that complete honesty isn't a good thing or something to be desired. I'm a very honest person but there are some things that I am not honest about because in some cases it's actually for the best
Title: Re: I'd Appreciate it if Y'all Read and Helped me with this
Post by: Socks on April 23, 2012, 04:44:50 PM
You always ignore me when writing these things. Now I shall ignore you and your writing.
Title: Re: I'd Appreciate it if Y'all Read and Helped me with this
Post by: Andria on April 23, 2012, 04:45:49 PM
Quote from: Socks on April 23, 2012, 04:44:50 PM
You always ignore me when writing these things. Now I shall ignore you and your writing.

why would anyone ignore your writing of things :(
Title: Re: I'd Appreciate it if Y'all Read and Helped me with this
Post by: ????? on April 23, 2012, 10:47:10 PM
There's more about the Bible than Hamlet in this. I thought you were supposed to be writing about Hamlet. And, I'm pretty sure you're going to get a negative bias from Boyay since it's predominantly atheist. Congratulations on being able to correctly use quotes. I seriously felt that most of the post was just a regurgitation of certain Bible passages. There's not much originality.

Also, what, exactly, did you want feedback on?

Quote from: The Doctor on April 23, 2012, 04:43:31 PM
I don't really remember Hamlet being very Judea-Christian in context but I may be wrong


Umm... what? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet#Religious

A major part of the plot relied on the ethics of exacting revenge. In context, God was supposed to exact revenge, not people.
Title: Re: I'd Appreciate it if Y'all Read and Helped me with this
Post by: kougraducky on April 24, 2012, 12:45:17 AM
Quote from: ,,,-,,, on April 23, 2012, 10:47:10 PM
There's more about the Bible than Hamlet in this. I thought you were supposed to be writing about Hamlet. And, I'm pretty sure you're going to get a negative bias from Boyay since it's predominantly atheist. Congratulations on being able to correctly use quotes. I seriously felt that most of the post was just a regurgitation of certain Bible passages. There's not much originality.

Also, what, exactly, did you want feedback on?

Umm... what? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet#Religious

A major part of the plot relied on the ethics of exacting revenge. In context, God was supposed to exact revenge, not people.


It's supposed to be an explanation of the rules and grounding of my project, not something that's a magnum opus. Jeez. Negative Nancys all around here.
I just wanted to know if people thought that the project sounded interesting and that I managed to explain it clearly was all.
Title: Re: I'd Appreciate it if Y'all Read and Helped me with this
Post by: Socks on April 24, 2012, 06:44:49 AM
Everyone knows that Hamlet is about latent hate for women and only partially based on the concept of original sin. Furthermore, it is an extrapolation of the mind of a man, ultimately, so you can say whatever the fuck you want about it.
Title: Re: I'd Appreciate it if Y'all Read and Helped me with this
Post by: kougraducky on April 24, 2012, 07:12:10 AM
Quote from: Socks on April 24, 2012, 06:44:49 AM
Everyone knows that Hamlet is about latent hate for women and only partially based on the concept of original sin. Furthermore, it is an extrapolation of the mind of a man, ultimately, so you can say whatever the fuck you want about it.

I doubt it's about HATE for women...it is definitely a text for feminists to look at because of how disregarded and downtrodden women are, but I don't think Hamlet HATES the women in the text because they're women. He hates them because of what they've gotten involved in. The sad part is that they couldn't help it since women really had no rights at all back then, especially a woman in Ophelia's position who was so greatly manipulated by her father whom she loved dearly.

But, I already wrote a whole paper on that subject, and it's irrelevant to this conversation.
Title: Re: I'd Appreciate it if Y'all Read and Helped me with this
Post by: Socks on April 24, 2012, 09:33:51 AM
You didn't even mention his mother.
Title: Re: I'd Appreciate it if Y'all Read and Helped me with this
Post by: ncba93ivyase on April 24, 2012, 09:59:37 AM
the small font and crazy background make it difficult to read

also read all of numbers 23 and then look at deuteronomy 23:5 to see why god is the ultimate liar. in short, a pagan (balaam) is ordered by the king to put a curse on the jews, but god appears to him and balaam repents and asks for a blessing for those people. later on balaam is killed and in deuteronomy god says balaam put a curse on them when balaam actually asked god to bless the jews. akudood;
Title: Re: I'd Appreciate it if Y'all Read and Helped me with this
Post by: don't let's on April 24, 2012, 12:21:36 PM
Quote from: Pancake Persona on April 24, 2012, 09:59:37 AM
the small font and crazy background make it difficult to read

also read all of numbers 23 and then look at deuteronomy 23:5 to see why god is the ultimate liar. in short, a pagan (balaam) is ordered by the king to put a curse on the jews, but god appears to him and balaam repents and asks for a blessing for those people. later on balaam is killed and in deuteronomy god says balaam put a curse on them when balaam actually asked god to bless the jews. akudood;
Actually if you read Deuteronomy 23:3-4 also, you'll see that it says that "Balaam was hired to pronounce a curse on them" Then in verse 5, "God turned the curse into a blessing."
And then reading through Numbers 22 & 23, that is what happened.
Title: Re: I'd Appreciate it if Y'all Read and Helped me with this
Post by: ncba93ivyase on April 24, 2012, 06:21:38 PM
Quote from: Far Beyond Repair on April 24, 2012, 12:21:36 PM
Actually if you read Deuteronomy 23:3-4 also, you'll see that it says that "Balaam was hired to pronounce a curse on them" Then in verse 5, "God turned the curse into a blessing."
And then reading through Numbers 22 & 23, that is what happened.
god didn't turn any curse into a blessing because balaam never asked for a curse. balaam asked for a blessing and told the king that he wouldn't put a curse on those people

and then he got killed
Title: Re: I'd Appreciate it if Y'all Read and Helped me with this
Post by: Daddy on April 24, 2012, 06:25:14 PM
Quote from: Pancake Persona on April 24, 2012, 09:59:37 AM
the small font and crazy background make it difficult to read
that's why i stopped reading.

Title: Re: I'd Appreciate it if Y'all Read and Helped me with this
Post by: don't let's on April 24, 2012, 06:56:40 PM
Quote from: Pancake Persona on April 24, 2012, 06:21:38 PM
god didn't turn any curse into a blessing because balaam never asked for a curse. balaam asked for a blessing and told the king that he wouldn't put a curse on those people

and then he got killed
But the other guys contracted him into cursing the Israelites. That's the cursing that was talked about that was turned into a blessing since Balaam followed what God told him to do instead of the other guys. Which is echoed again in Joshua, "9. When Balak son of Zippor, the king of Moab, prepared to fight against Israel, he sent for Balaam son of Beor to put a curse on you. 10. But I would not listen to Balaam, so he blessed you again and again, and I delivered you out of his hand." (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joshua%2024:9-10&version=NIV)

And when he's blessing them he says that those are words that the LORD has put in his mouth.

Though apparently Balaam did later tell the those guys how to entice the Israelites to be unfaithful to God and that's actually why he was killed.

I assume you kept bringing up his death and trying to link it to the first situation there but that wasn't really the case.
Title: Re: I'd Appreciate it if Y'all Read and Helped me with this
Post by: ????? on April 24, 2012, 10:04:26 PM
Quote from: kougraducky on April 24, 2012, 12:45:17 AM
It's supposed to be an explanation of the rules and grounding of my project, not something that's a magnum opus. Jeez.


That doesn't mean that there isn't room for improvement.

Quote from: kougraducky on April 24, 2012, 07:12:10 AM
I doubt it's about HATE for women...it is definitely a text for feminists to look at because of how disregarded and downtrodden women are, but I don't think Hamlet HATES the women in the text because they're women. He hates them because of what they've gotten involved in. The sad part is that they couldn't help it since women really had no rights at all back then, especially a woman in Ophelia's position who was so greatly manipulated by her father whom she loved dearly.

But, I already wrote a whole paper on that subject, and it's irrelevant to this conversation.


Doesn't Hamlet think that women play dumb whenever they do something?