i really need to just go for it
just fucking go for it
just fucking write something and send it in
somewhere
anywhere
so why is it so hard
do it!
I've considered sending some things to the Onion before but I could never work up the gaul. Or the work ethic
i've never written a single word in my entire life don't ask me
Don't you know any literary magazines you could write and send short stories to? Maybe you should look into that.
Quote from: Thyme on November 15, 2011, 12:12:16 PM
Don't you know any literary magazines you could write and send short stories to? Maybe you should look into that.
Not off the top of my head but I know how I can easily find a list of them, as "Poets and Writers" magazine has a sort of "classifieds" list for that sort of thing in the back of every issue. So not knowing where to send things to is not really the problem.
girl;
Quote from: Kaz on November 15, 2011, 12:14:23 PM
Not off the top of my head but I know how I can easily find a list of them, as "Poets and Writers" magazine has a sort of "classifieds" list for that sort of thing in the back of every issue. So not knowing where to send things to is not really the problem.
girl;
Have you ever read anything by Anne Dillard? I know Dan is about to come in here and rail on her, but I thought her books were generally very inspiring when it came to writing nonfiction.
Quote from: Kaz on November 15, 2011, 12:14:23 PM
Not off the top of my head but I know how I can easily find a list of them, as "Poets and Writers" magazine has a sort of "classifieds" list for that sort of thing in the back of every issue. So not knowing where to send things to is not really the problem.
girl;
well you better find a solution to that other problem, w/e it is baddood;
you should just go for it. w
Quote from: applesauce on November 15, 2011, 12:16:18 PM
Have you ever read anything by Anne Dillard? I know Dan is about to come in here and rail on her, but I thought her books were generally very inspiring when it came to writing nonfiction.
wait
is snorkel's name dan
Quote from: Thyme on November 15, 2011, 12:12:16 PM
Don't you know any literary magazines you could write and send short stories to? Maybe you should look into that.
This.
Many writers got their start like this. Edgar Allen Poe springs to mind, but there are definitely many others. If you're going to have a career in the arts, then you're going to have to be dedicated and get out of your comfort zone. Networking is a huge part of that, which is hard for me to admit because I hate people. Yet to be successful, you'll have to bite the bullet and be more proactive. Also, you should just send drafts to publishers or something. Kind of like how some bands will send demo tapes to record labels. Sometimes they get signed, sometimes they don't. If you can get a small publisher on your side, then it would be easier to slingshot your way to a larger publisher.
I was trying to think of what Snorkel's name is a few days ago and I just kept thinking "Andrew" because it's my brothers name and Snorkel makes me think of my brother (even though i don't think they're that similar, they're just blonde curly handsomes & weed)
Quote from: eeeeeee on November 15, 2011, 12:20:57 PM
I just kept thinking "Andrew"
That's my name. But don't call me that.
Quote from: applesauce on November 15, 2011, 12:16:18 PM
Have you ever read anything by Anne Dillard? I know Dan is about to come in here and rail on her, but I thought her books were generally very inspiring when it came to writing nonfiction.
i VAGUELY recall reading a nature writing by her, something about a moth
and also something about waking up with blood on her sheets from a dog or something and i think she said in an interview that many of those details were ficticious and she got a lot of backlash about it because it blurred the lines between fiction and nonfiction but she had a very good defense for what nonfiction can and can't be
it's been a while but Dillard in general has come up quite a bit yeah, even if her actual writing maybe i don't remember too well
Quote from: N o t S i d on November 15, 2011, 12:18:35 PM
This.
Many writers got their start like this. Edgar Allen Poe springs to mind, but there are definitely many others. If you're going to have a career in the arts, then you're going to have to be dedicated and get out of your comfort zone. Networking is a huge part of that, which is hard for me to admit because I hate people. Yet to be successful, you'll have to bite the bullet and be more proactive. Also, you should just send drafts to publishers or something. Kind of like how some bands will send demo tapes to record labels. Sometimes they get signed, sometimes they don't. If you can get a small publisher on your side, then it would be easier to slingshot your way to a larger publisher.
Definitely. Sending something to a mag is exactly how I want to get started. Either that or finally getting accepted into one of the school's publications. But I'm not sure if those are active this year.
Quote from: applesauce on November 15, 2011, 12:22:12 PM
That's my name. But don't call me that.
I also actually thought your name was Andrew. I won't call you that don't worry. You do not remind me of my brother
Quote from: Kaz on November 15, 2011, 12:23:55 PM
Definitely. Sending something to a mag is exactly how I want to get started. Either that or finally getting accepted into one of the school's publications. But I'm not sure if those are active this year.
What kind of magazines actually publish fictional works in any real capacity anymore though? I wouldn't even know where to look.
Quote from: Boognish-Redux- on November 15, 2011, 12:26:35 PM
What kind of magazines actually publish fictional works in any real capacity anymore though? I wouldn't even know where to look.
I was thinking this. I feel like this has died out a lot and that people don't read very many this in magazines like that. I really like reading and I don't even do that stuff.
Quote from: Boognish-Redux- on November 15, 2011, 12:26:35 PM
What kind of magazines actually publish fictional works in any real capacity anymore though? I wouldn't even know where to look.
They still do. But there definitely aren't as many and their readership is much lower. But it's a start and that's what matters first and foremost.
Another really easy (maybe too easy?) path to take would just be to start your own literary blog, Kaz. Post your work there. confuseddood;
Quote from: Boognish-Redux- on November 15, 2011, 12:26:35 PM
What kind of magazines actually publish fictional works in any real capacity anymore though? I wouldn't even know where to look.
Those kinds of magazine's aren't really made for a broad audience anymore, but the "important people" read them. Publishers, fellow writers, literary agents, etc. etc. People that can help get your foot in the door.
Quote from: Kaz on November 15, 2011, 12:22:42 PM
i VAGUELY recall reading a nature writing by her, something about a moth
and also something about waking up with blood on her sheets from a dog or something and i think she said in an interview that many of those details were ficticious and she got a lot of backlash about it because it blurred the lines between fiction and nonfiction but she had a very good defense for what nonfiction can and can't be
it's been a while but Dillard in general has come up quite a bit yeah, even if her actual writing maybe i don't remember too well
Yeah, people talk about that moth essay but I didn't like it and thought it was one of the worst short stories in the book it is from.
I took a nonfiction writing class (which wasn't really a class so much as an amazing man talked to us about shit we wrote) and the best stuff I have ever written (by far) came out of that, and I was definitely thinking about the feelings and concepts present in most of Dillard's work while I was doing it, though I really can't say I am particularly a fan of her mechanics and overall style. She just captures things in a special way.
Quote from: eeeeeee on November 15, 2011, 12:24:35 PM
I also actually thought your name was Andrew. I won't call you that don't worry. You do not remind me of my brother
wrench;
Quote from: N o t S i d on November 15, 2011, 12:29:49 PM
Those kinds of magazine's aren't really made for a broad audience anymore, but the "important people" read them. Publishers, fellow writers, literary agents, etc. etc. People that can help get your foot in the door.
Yeah, I know that, but what are some
actual publications that still focus on that?
The only trick to writing is reading. I've been an aspiring 'writer' since I was younger, and after writing nothing but personal journals last year, I finally got back into a heavy reading routine this year with a notebook and sticky notes beside me at all times. It's been very productive. Just grab anything you think you might be interested in, and get a cycle of 10-20 books going that gets continuously updated as you finish or add books. You'll have a head full of ideas before you know it.
Quote from: N o t S i d on November 15, 2011, 12:18:35 PM
This.
Many writers got their start like this. Edgar Allen Poe springs to mind, but there are definitely many others. If you're going to have a career in the arts, then you're going to have to be dedicated and get out of your comfort zone. Networking is a huge part of that, which is hard for me to admit because I hate people. Yet to be successful, you'll have to bite the bullet and be more proactive. Also, you should just send drafts to publishers or something. Kind of like how some bands will send demo tapes to record labels. Sometimes they get signed, sometimes they don't. If you can get a small publisher on your side, then it would be easier to slingshot your way to a larger publisher.
I don't think these are bad ideas at all, but literary magazines and publishers
are a little stuck in the past... upcoming authors in the past few years have been made by e-books almost exclusively. The benefits of Internet distribution are obvious for budding writers, same as independent musicians.
Quote from: applesauce on November 15, 2011, 12:16:18 PM
Have you ever read anything by Anne Dillard? I know Dan is about to come in here and rail on her, but I thought her books were generally very inspiring when it came to writing nonfiction.
anne dillard is fine
Quote from: Trevor on November 15, 2011, 12:20:31 PM
wow
i had no idea
goowan
Quote from: eeeeeee on November 15, 2011, 12:20:57 PM
I was trying to think of what Snorkel's name is a few days ago and I just kept thinking "Andrew" because it's my brothers name and Snorkel makes me think of my brother (even though i don't think they're that similar, they're just blonde curly handsomes & weed)
goowan
Quote from: Boognish-Redux- on November 15, 2011, 12:34:26 PM
Yeah, I know that, but what are some actual publications that still focus on that?
The New Yorker
exciting possibilities right goowan
I was thinking to myself a while ago and realized that whenever I went into a used book store or something like that, you know what i would see? Tons and tons of absolutely dreadful romance and sci-fi novels. TONS of them. In a USED book store. People BUY that schlock.
And this is comforting because it helps me realize that even if something I write isn't well-liked by "buffs" and critics, maybe at least someone will like it. And at the same time, if I know I can probably do better than what sells, well...maybe I can do this after all.
n_n
I watched "Ed Wood" the other day, a Burton film about...well, Ed Wood. The man often described as the worst film director in history. But he had so much heart, so much optimism, and tried so hard to make his visions come to life with what little time and money he ever managed to scrape up.
It's pretty inspiring. n_n
Quote from: vziard on November 15, 2011, 12:35:05 PM
The only trick to writing is reading. I've been an aspiring 'writer' since I was younger, and after writing nothing but personal journals last year, I finally got back into a heavy reading routine this year with a notebook and sticky notes beside me at all times. It's been very productive. Just grab anything you think you might be interested in, and get a cycle of 10-20 books going that gets continuously updated as you finish or add books. You'll have a head full of ideas before you know it.
Oh man this has been one of the hardest things lately. Last semester, I got a lot of reading in, and you wouldn't believe how much I enjoyed reading something different from usual. Cause you know what it was? Young adult lit. It was so refreshing, even if it's not as "substantial" as "classics" or whatever.
But lately I have had so much trouble getting into any new books. I've mostly just been stuck reading essays that bore me, or reading back through things I've already read before (like Salinger's work, always inspirational to me)...and I have been struggling to get through this one book, Under the Volcano. I just pretty much gave up on it yesterday, it's not working out.
I need to read something else.
Quote from: Kaz on November 15, 2011, 12:38:20 PM
I was thinking to myself a while ago and realized that whenever I went into a used book store or something like that, you know what i would see? Tons and tons of absolutely dreadful romance and sci-fi novels. TONS of them. In a USED book store. People BUY that schlock.
And this is comforting because it helps me realize that even if something I write isn't well-liked by "buffs" and critics, maybe at least someone will like it. And at the same time, if I know I can probably do better than what sells, well...maybe I can do this after all.
n_n
I watched "Ed Wood" the other day, a Burton film about...well, Ed Wood. The man often described as the worst film director in history. But he had so much heart, so much optimism, and tried so hard to make his visions come to life with what little time and money he ever managed to scrape up.
It's pretty inspiring. n_n
Yay that's a great way to look at writing and being a writer or doing anything at all. I feel like completing anything like that that you made from yourself it's good that's its even completed. Do your thing kazgirl
Quote from: Kaz on November 15, 2011, 12:44:34 PM
confuseddood;
sorry i thought it'd be funny lol. once i was with my friend sophie and she kept calling this girl jessie "jesgirl" and it is really funny to me
Oh, I forgot the most important tip for better writing: study and know each of Bob Dylan's songs (from his earlier albums obviously), this should teach you more than anything else. n_u (Poetry in general, whether ancient or modern.)
Quote from: Kaz on November 15, 2011, 12:41:32 PM
Oh man this has been one of the hardest things lately. Last semester, I got a lot of reading in, and you wouldn't believe how much I enjoyed reading something different from usual. Cause you know what it was? Young adult lit. It was so refreshing, even if it's not as "substantial" as "classics" or whatever.
But lately I have had so much trouble getting into any new books. I've mostly just been stuck reading essays that bore me, or reading back through things I've already read before (like Salinger's work, always inspirational to me)...and I have been struggling to get through this one book, Under the Volcano. I just pretty much gave up on it yesterday, it's not working out.
I need to read something else.
You just have to continuously try new stuff from every genre. The best thing that has happened to me has been finding a few non-fiction sub-genres that I'm actually really interesting in. I just follow the references/bibliography from one book to the next in a never ending chain.
Quote from: Kaz on November 15, 2011, 12:38:20 PM
I was thinking to myself a while ago and realized that whenever I went into a used book store or something like that, you know what i would see? Tons and tons of absolutely dreadful romance and sci-fi novels. TONS of them. In a USED book store. People BUY that schlock.
And this is comforting because it helps me realize that even if something I write isn't well-liked by "buffs" and critics, maybe at least someone will like it. And at the same time, if I know I can probably do better than what sells, well...maybe I can do this after all.
n_n
I watched "Ed Wood" the other day, a Burton film about...well, Ed Wood. The man often described as the worst film director in history. But he had so much heart, so much optimism, and tried so hard to make his visions come to life with what little time and money he ever managed to scrape up.
It's pretty inspiring. n_n
Don't talk shit about SF.
I have nothing against sci-fi in general. In fact I wish to write quite a bit of cyberpunk. But it's a genre that has a LOT of bad material published because it's such an oft-read and oft-written genre.
girl;
As an aside, I think it would be cool to also somehow write about some of my other interests for publications. But I don't think things like vidya game mags really take freelance work. Idk. Something to look into.
Quote from: Kaz on November 15, 2011, 12:51:20 PM
I have nothing against sci-fi in general. In fact I wish to write quite a bit of cyberpunk. But it's a genre that has a LOT of bad material published because it's such an oft-read and oft-written genre.
girl;
Actually, I think I'd throw the whole fantasy genre in there as well and just tack it all together.
It seems like some of the stuff I see the most is stereotypical ancient fantasy tied together with real ropey names.
Guess everyone's just trying to emulate the simarillion?
Quote from: Kaz on November 15, 2011, 12:53:14 PM
As an aside, I think it would be cool to also somehow write about some of my other interests for publications. But I don't think things like vidya game mags really take freelance work. Idk. Something to look into.
The blog option would be good for that too. 5thgrade;
There is like a whole section of those kinds of magazines at Barnes & Noble.
Also, have e-books progressed far enough to launch the careers of any notable writer? I haven't been too deep into the literary world in quite some time. The thing with the independent musician thing, is a lot of them still have a label. Albeit a small label. You'll still need some sort of entity that is familiar with all the ins-and-outs of the writing business. Some one with connections. "Oh you want to publish this? Ok, we'll need to promote it. I know a few people across the country that can give you a space for a reading or something."
Although the work of a publisher can be done by one's self, they can make the whole process a lot easier and rewarding.
Quote from: vziard on November 15, 2011, 12:35:05 PM
The benefits of Internet distribution are obvious for budding writers, same as independent musicians.
I would wager that they aren't really the same. It's easier for a musician, as you have maybe a 3 to 6 minute window to capture an audience. Not many people in this day and age have the patience to sit through a book by a random guy on the internet.
I mean, there are definitely parallels in the music world and the literary world. But unlike with the Music industry, we haven't really got to a point where we can forgo publishers altogether. In a few years, maybe. I'd say the literary world is where the music industry was back in 1999/2000. There is a new way to reach people, with this e-book business, but the publishers are still trying to work out the kinks.
I hope I made some sense.
Quote from: Kaz on November 15, 2011, 12:53:14 PM
As an aside, I think it would be cool to also somehow write about some of my other interests for publications. But I don't think things like vidya game mags really take freelance work. Idk. Something to look into.
I was once solicited to by a gaming website thing to write about hardware news. I bet you could find some sort of website thing that needs coverage of something you are interested in.
also if you are looking to just write about something for a little money craigslist is full of that.
Quote from: Kaz on November 15, 2011, 12:53:14 PM
As an aside, I think it would be cool to also somehow write about some of my other interests for publications. But I don't think things like vidya game mags really take freelance work. Idk. Something to look into.
Again, this is something you'll have to send to smaller mags/sites. You have to build up a resume/portfolio for this kind of stuff.
Quote from: N o t S i d on November 15, 2011, 12:55:45 PM
There is like a whole section of those kinds of magazines at Barnes & Noble.
Also, have e-books progressed far enough to launch the careers of any notable writer? I haven't been too deep into the literary world in quite some time. The thing with the independent musician thing, is a lot of them still have a label. Albeit a small label. You'll still need some sort of entity that is familiar with all the ins-and-outs of the writing business. Some one with connections. "Oh you want to publish this? Ok, we'll need to promote it. I know a few people across the country that can give you a space for a reading or something."
Although the work of a publisher can be done by one's self, they can make the whole process a lot easier and rewarding.
I would wager that they aren't really the same. It's easier for a musician, as you have maybe a 3 to 6 minute window to capture an audience. Not many people in this day and age have the patience to sit through a book by a random guy on the internet.
I mean, there are definitely parallels in the music world and the literary world. But unlike with the Music industry, we haven't really got to a point where we can forgo publishers altogether. In a few years, maybe. I'd say the literary world is where the music industry was back in 1999/2000. There is a new way to reach people, with this e-book business, but the publishers are still trying to work out the kinks.
I hope I made some sense.
I don't necessarily think this is a good turn.
The entire literary world is saturated enough and making it easier to get published is probably just going to make exposure that much more difficult.
Kaz, you can always find work writing copy somewhere though.
Quote from: Boognish-Redux- on November 15, 2011, 01:01:49 PM
Kaz, you can always find work writing copy somewhere though.
I could but I would probably have to move down to the Twin Cities to make any sort of work within publishing a reality.
I'm more talking about the right here, right now...while I decide what to do with the non-writing part of my life, I should at least work on the writing part of it.
do drugs
write words down
sober up next day. . . master piece !!!
i didn't read this thread sorry .
Quote from: Kaz on November 15, 2011, 01:03:39 PM
I could but I would probably have to move down to the Twin Cities to make any sort of work within publishing a reality.
I'm more talking about the right here, right now...while I decide what to do with the non-writing part of my life, I should at least work on the writing part of it.
You should consider moving down someday anyways.
Quote from: applesauce on November 15, 2011, 01:04:49 PM
You should consider moving down someday anyways.
I already am considering it, really. I feel like it would do me a lot of good in a lot of ways.
Quote from: silvertone on November 15, 2011, 01:04:05 PM
do drugs
write words down
sober up next day. . . master piece !!!
I take drugs to write stories to take drugs to.
Quote from: Kaz on November 15, 2011, 12:53:14 PM
As an aside, I think it would be cool to also somehow write about some of my other interests for publications. But I don't think things like vidya game mags really take freelance work. Idk. Something to look into.
Turn your interests into a publication, do you know how many people would buy a well-written and well-presented book about video games or anime? MAKE IT HAPPEN
Quote from: Boognish-Redux- on November 15, 2011, 12:54:38 PM
Actually, I think I'd throw the whole fantasy genre in there as well and just tack it all together.
It seems like some of the stuff I see the most is stereotypical ancient fantasy tied together with real ropey names.
Guess everyone's just trying to emulate the simarillion?
Don't want to start some dumb debate about genres, but good sci-fi and good fantasy are worlds apart. But, yeah, I'd say every fantasy writer is trying to emulate the Silmarillion and its *sequels*. girl; ...Unless it's horror/'sci-fi' fantasy, like the kind Clive Barker writes, which is a thing unto itself... but all trying to emulate Lovecraft. girl;
Quote from: applesauce on November 15, 2011, 12:56:17 PM
I was once solicited to by a gaming website thing to write about hardware news. I bet you could find some sort of website thing that needs coverage of something you are interested in.
also if you are looking to just write about something for a little money craigslist is full of that.
'Blogging' for an established website is actually a great idea.
Quote from: N o t S i d on November 15, 2011, 12:55:45 PM
There is like a whole section of those kinds of magazines at Barnes & Noble.
Also, have e-books progressed far enough to launch the careers of any notable writer? I haven't been too deep into the literary world in quite some time. The thing with the independent musician thing, is a lot of them still have a label. Albeit a small label. You'll still need some sort of entity that is familiar with all the ins-and-outs of the writing business. Some one with connections. "Oh you want to publish this? Ok, we'll need to promote it. I know a few people across the country that can give you a space for a reading or something."
Although the work of a publisher can be done by one's self, they can make the whole process a lot easier and rewarding.
I would wager that they aren't really the same. It's easier for a musician, as you have maybe a 3 to 6 minute window to capture an audience. Not many people in this day and age have the patience to sit through a book by a random guy on the internet.
I mean, there are definitely parallels in the music world and the literary world. But unlike with the Music industry, we haven't really got to a point where we can forgo publishers altogether. In a few years, maybe. I'd say the literary world is where the music industry was back in 1999/2000. There is a new way to reach people, with this e-book business, but the publishers are still trying to work out the kinks.
I hope I made some sense.
Rewarding as in you get 10% royalties instead of 85%. Publishing is mainly a sham, they'll cut your writing up and glue it back together in whatever frankenstein form they want, get a trendy graphic artist to make a horrible cover, and get it into bookstores after
12-18 months. If I was ever going to publish something, I'd do it in self-promoted ebook format first, then commission an independent printer for hardcopies later if anything worked out. Social media is how it all works now; like you said, you have to shamelessly overexert yourself to get your title/download out. Of course, you can go the submit-to-publishers route like all the authors of decades past who had no choice, but the chances are much slimmer that you'll get anywhere.
Quote from: Boognish-Redux- on November 15, 2011, 12:58:32 PM
I don't necessarily think this is a good turn.
The entire literary world is saturated enough and making it easier to get published is probably just going to make exposure that much more difficult.
It also makes it easier for something good to stand out among the 99.9% shit, this is what I experience daily when trying to market things online.
Boognish, remember when you made that thread about the crib and having to dismantle it?
That was some seriously great stuff, man. As a writer, I was completely taken aback, it felt so much like something that took conscious effort to write, and yet it was just a scene that had so much depth to it naturally. Just from being what it was.
It was like Hemingway's Hills Like White Elephants. I hope I encounter scenes like that to write about someday.
Quote from: vziard on November 15, 2011, 01:07:35 PM
It also makes it easier for something good to stand out among the 99.9% shit, this is what I experience daily when trying to market things online.
Very good point.
Quote from: Kaz on November 15, 2011, 01:05:39 PM
I already am considering it, really. I feel like it would do me a lot of good in a lot of ways.
It would not be difficult holding a bachelor's (and possibly a master's) to find something that would be enough to sustain your lifestyle and let you think and experience new things. Not being tied down and having no liabilities is a wonderful thing.
Quote from: vziard on November 15, 2011, 01:07:35 PM
Rewarding as in you get 10% royalties instead of 85%. Publishing is mainly a sham, they'll cut your writing up and glue it back together in whatever frankenstein form they want, get a trendy graphic artist to make a horrible cover, and get it into bookstores after 12-18 months. If I was ever going to publish something, I'd do it in self-promoted ebook format first, then commission an independent printer for hardcopies later if anything worked out. Social media is how it all works now; like you said, you have to shamelessly overexert yourself to get your title/download out.
It also makes it easier for something good to stand out among the 99.9% shit, this is what I experience daily when trying to market things online.
Rewarding as more people will read your book. 85% of ten people doesn't sound that great. 10% of 10,000 people sounds like a respectable number. Sure, it's more rewarding to independently release your material. But you would burn yourself out eventually with the constant promotion. Publishers are there to lighten the load, not to manhandle you and bleed you dry. If your work was to be manipulated in a way you didn't like and there is nothing you can do about it, then you did not read the contract you signed.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for independent releases. However, we're just not at a point where we can abandon publisher's altogether.
Quote from: N o t S i d on November 15, 2011, 01:32:35 PM
Rewarding as more people will read your book. 85% of ten people doesn't sound that great. 10% of 10,000 people sounds like a respectable number. Sure, it's more rewarding to independently release your material. But you would burn yourself out eventually with the constant promotion. Publishers are there to lighten the load, not to manhandle you and bleed you dry. If your work was to be manipulated in a way you didn't like and there is nothing you can do about it, then you did not read the contract you signed.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for independent releases. However, we're just not at a point where we can abandon publisher's altogether.
As if book publishers actually care about the books they're publishing... have you looked at popular books recently? It's worse than pop music. In fact, there are less major publishing houses (the ones that supply B&N) than there are major music labels, and we all know how terrible major music labels are.
If the goal is to make more money faster, then sure, sign with a publisher, but I would hope that more writers are interested in promoting their own work... that's the world we're moving toward. I suppose we'll find out soon enough!
hhhhnnnnggg kaz i'd totes read you cry;
Quote from: Thyme on November 15, 2011, 02:06:13 PM
hhhhnnnnggg kaz i'd totes read you cry;
i appreciate that a lot, i really do giggle;
And if it were to be in book form, it would be one of the very few books I bother to read in English. n_u
Quote from: Thyme on November 15, 2011, 02:12:37 PM
And if it were to be in book form, it would be one of the very few books I bother to read in English. n_u
english book is top tier of book second to japan
Quote from: silvertone on November 15, 2011, 02:13:03 PM
english book is top tier of book second to japan
no, DE./
Quote from: vziard on November 15, 2011, 02:15:57 PM
no, DE./
Manga > Mein Kampf > any english Bull Shit
mein kampf is actually one of the worst books i have ever read.
Recently I have wanted to read several books that exist only in German.
Germany, particularly from like 1820 up to WWII had some seriously good stuff going on.
Quote from: silvertone on November 15, 2011, 02:17:01 PM
Manga > Mein Kampf > any english Bull Shit
mein kampf is actually one of the worst books i have ever read.
lol i'm sure it is.
Quote from: applesauce on November 15, 2011, 02:18:19 PM
Recently I have wanted to read several books that exist only in German.
Germany, particularly from like 1820 up to WWII had some seriously good stuff going on.
exactly there are like 1,000,001 books in German especially philosophy and science categories that have no been translated. this also happens in greatest amount with respect to the total output with things from india which pisses me off because think of all the history you could learn about that exists in sanskrit but we only get a few token translations of old hindu things?
only one solution in sight, learn german and sanskrit.
This thread makes me want to write again, which I have not done in a very, very long time.
Quote from: vziard on November 15, 2011, 02:21:23 PM
lol i'm sure it is.
imagine 200 pages of gibberish then he talks about his child hood and early work and the formation of the nazi party + popularization of the nazi party. that is as far as i got.
That's why those idiots burned some of it.
the futurist manifestos are more exciting and makes me want to kill all the jews more than hitler's writings ever did. cry;
Quote from: silvertone on November 15, 2011, 02:25:02 PM
the futurist manifestos are more exciting and makes me want to kill all the jews more than hitler's writings ever did. cry;
Or just a trip at the mall and or the end shift at the restaurant will make you want to kill all of the Jews too. Heck, if you read poor old Ted's manifesto you'd want to mail a pipe bomb into your mother's uterus if you could.
the unabomber is my political Jesus
I would really like to learn another language or three.