One hundred percent of your direct linage reproduced and had offspring. Your parents. Your parent's parents. Your parent's parent's parents. This has been going on for 3.8 billion years without a flaw. Right back to the very first cell.
And now each one of us has a choice to continue our direct linage.
Guys, I don't think I'm going to continue it, and that kind of makes me uncomfortable.
But it's all resting on your shoulders. You're killing off your whole family.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_YDOqAcf-0 4:24seconds
I doubt Im going to continue our lineage either goowan
Quote from: Space Left Intentionally Blank on November 11, 2011, 07:05:07 PM
But it's all resting on your shoulders. You're killing off your whole family.
that's probably the best course of action for my family
Quote from: silvertone on November 11, 2011, 07:09:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_YDOqAcf-0 4:24seconds
I'll put my trust in Butthead logic because it seems like my only hope. baddood;
Yeah, and I think the point of our age is to move beyond simple concern for the interests of individuals, onto concern for a larger organism and individuals as part of the organism simultaneously... conscious concern for the organism, not a simple biological concern for ensuring the organism is propagated into the future (maybe this makes sense??). I almost definitely will not have my own children, and I'm fine with that.
I will probably have babies but itz kool not 2 2
Quote from: vziard on November 11, 2011, 07:15:18 PM
Yeah, and I think the point of our age is to move beyond simple concern for the interests of individuals, onto concern for a larger organism and individuals as part of the organism simultaneously... conscious concern for the organism, not a simple biological concern for ensuring the organism is propagated into the future (maybe this makes sense??). I almost definitely will not have my own children, and I'm fine with that.
lol 'the point of our age'
Quote from: applesauce on November 11, 2011, 07:16:17 PM
lol 'the point of our age'
/ the inevitable next step in social evolution
Quote from: vziard on November 11, 2011, 07:21:26 PM
/ the inevitable next step in social evolution
better
Quote from: vziard on November 11, 2011, 07:15:18 PM
Yeah, and I think the point of our age is to move beyond simple concern for the interests of individuals, onto concern for a larger organism and individuals as part of the organism simultaneously... conscious concern for the organism, not a simple biological concern for ensuring the organism is propagated into the future (maybe this makes sense??). I almost definitely will not have my own children, and I'm fine with that.
I'm a little thrown off by "the point of our age" too.
BUT
I think I know what you're saying. Maybe.
We are gaining awareness for the overall efficiency and well-being of our species as a whole. This includes, to a degree, a biological concern, but it also encompasses societal problems as well.
And yeah, I'd agree with that.
Quote from: vziard on November 11, 2011, 07:15:18 PM
Yeah, and I think the point of our age is to move beyond simple concern for the interests of individuals, onto concern for a larger organism and individuals as part of the organism simultaneously... conscious concern for the organism, not a simple biological concern for ensuring the organism is propagated into the future (maybe this makes sense??). I almost definitely will not have my own children, and I'm fine with that.
But that just sounds like not caring about something that's more closely knit just to only care about something that's larger than everything and kinda more abstract that each individual by themselves don't even have to put much thought or work or care into it. Though I guess you could say it's ultimately way more responsibility than just continuing on a family lineage since it's on more of a grand scale.
Quote from: Hippopo on November 11, 2011, 07:23:45 PM
I'm a little thrown off by "the point of our age" too.
BUT
I think I know what you're saying. Maybe.
We are gaining awareness for the overall efficiency and well-being of our species as a whole. This includes, to a degree, a biological concern, but it also encompasses societal problems as well.
And yeah, I'd agree with that.
Sorry, I typed it quickly as one thought without going back and thinking about what the words would actually mean from outside my head. I think (I agree wit u btw) I meant that as a species we are beginning to move beyond considering procreation as a necessity and individual apoptosis as an unfortunate alternative; instead, our ~point~ in life is to contribute to the social organism's growth in ways other than, but ~equally important as~, physically procreating. But I also hate materialism and am very prone to considering lofty transhuman ideals as reality . . ..
Quote from: Space Left Intentionally Blank on November 11, 2011, 07:26:23 PM
But that just sounds like not caring about something that's more closely knit just to only care about something that's larger than everything and kinda more abstract that each individual by themselves don't even have to put much thought or work or care into it. Though I guess you could say it's ultimately way more responsibility than just continuing on a family lineage since it's on more of a grand scale.
I don't think humanity will ever achieve anything as a species if we don't aspire on a grand scale.
LIKE SPACE COLONIES WHY HAVENT WE DONE THIS BUILD PEOPLE ROCKETS NOT NUKE ROCKETS
Quote from: applesauce on November 11, 2011, 07:48:25 PM
LIKE SPACE COLONIES WHY HAVENT WE DONE THIS BUILD PEOPLE ROCKETS NOT NUKE ROCKETS
Uh. bro. Colonialism is fckin in the past
Quote from: vziard on November 11, 2011, 07:38:13 PM
Sorry, I typed it quickly as one thought without going back and thinking about what the words would actually mean from outside my head. I think (I agree wit u btw) I meant that as a species we are beginning to move beyond considering procreation as a necessity and individual apoptosis as an unfortunate alternative; instead, our ~point~ in life is to contribute to the social organism's growth in ways other than, but ~equally important as~, physically procreating. But I also hate materialism and am very prone to considering lofty transhuman ideals as reality . . ..
I don't think humanity will ever achieve anything as a species if we don't aspire on a grand scale.
I know this is kind of nit-picky, but I'm curious. When you use the word "point," are speaking objectively? As if it's our actual purpose in life? I'm a little hesitant to think that we actually have a cosmic purpose. I don't think that's how you're using the word, but I'm not sure.
And as to everything else you said: I agree mostly.
I've basically been thinking about this on and off for months now. I think we are reaching a point in our history that we need to consider humanity (and life in general) on a larger scale. We could get so much more done if we could somehow get focused.
This is a lot harder to write coherently than I thought.
Also,
Transhumanism is interesting. I think we should go for it if we can. If we have the right tools to improve the human body, by all means, use them!
HOWEVER
I respect death, and to work against it, although it is tempting, needs to be questioned. There aren't enough resources on this planet to restrict death and to not restrict reproduction simultaneously.
Quote from: silvertone on November 11, 2011, 07:49:13 PM
Uh. bro. Colonialism is fckin in the past
NEO-COLONIALISM EXISTS IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
:(
Quote from: Hippopo on November 11, 2011, 07:55:31 PM
NEO-COLONIALISM EXISTS IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
:(
Actually It Exists World Wide
Quote from: silvertone on November 11, 2011, 07:55:58 PM
Actually It Exists World Wide
true
but also moon/mars/flying colonies would not be the same type of colonialism
Quote from: Hippopo on November 11, 2011, 08:01:00 PM
I wish it didn't. :'(
combat liberalism
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Quote from: Hippopo on November 11, 2011, 07:52:52 PM
I know this is kind of nit-picky, but I'm curious. When you use the word "point," are speaking objectively? As if it's our actual purpose in life? I'm a little hesitant to think that we actually have a cosmic purpose. I don't think that's how you're using the word, but I'm not sure.
And as to everything else you said: I agree mostly.
I've basically been thinking about this on and off for months now. I think we are reaching a point in our history that we need to consider humanity (and life in general) on a larger scale. We could get so much more done if we could somehow get focused.
This is a lot harder to write coherently than I thought.
Also,
Transhumanism is interesting. I think we should go for it if we can. If we have the right tools to improve the human body, by all means, use them!
HOWEVER
I respect death, and to work against it, although it is tempting, needs to be questioned. There aren't enough resources on this planet to restrict death and to not restrict reproduction simultaneously.
Yeah, I didn't mean any objective or deterministic purpose, except where we've chosen it ourselves. Of course there is no such 'cosmic purpose' of humanity... except for Universe to develop a sufficiently perceptive tool to assess itself with, to continue evolving into infinity. At least in my opinion.
Good thoughts, good thoughts.
As a proponent of ecofascism, I will not have any babies. SocksDood;
Fuck all of you, I will spawn 1000 children and there will be many mini Socks in prototype stage. Will elaborate more when I get home from work.
Accidents happen. girl;
Quote from: bluebirdofhappiness on November 11, 2011, 10:58:13 PM
As a proponent of ecofascism, I will not have any babies. SocksDood;
i love how you read my mind lubdoods;
Do you have siblings, cousins, 2nd cousins? If so, the "chain" will still be going. You're only a very small branch on a very large tree.
Quote from: Hiroglyph on November 14, 2011, 05:11:52 AM
Do you have siblings, cousins, 2nd cousins? If so, the "chain" will still be going. You're only a very small branch on a very large tree.
I'm the only one who matters, Hiro. baddood;
My genes are so excellent that I must propagate them for future generations.
Quote from: Khadafi on November 14, 2011, 04:17:44 PM
My genes are so excellent that I must propagate them for future generations.
kewns 4 babis