Poll
Question:
jj;sdf
Option 1: judgement
votes: 9
Option 2: judgment
votes: 2
I prefer the latter simply because it's shorter. I don't actually necessarily mind the former (despite my over-the-top reaction in the chat thread about it) but I feel like simplification is usually a good thing when it comes to spelling.
lol it's so much shorter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it also looks FUCKING RETARDED AND UNPRONOUNCEABLE akudood;
clearly I prefer judgement
baddood;
it's a single letter which is just not even going to lengthen the time it takes me to type
http://youtu.be/U0qgxP6QzkI?t=1m30s
simplification is a good thing LET'S PUT ACRONYMS IN THE DICTIONARY
Quote from: Sakamoto on October 10, 2011, 10:23:29 AM
lol it's so much shorter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it also looks FUCKING RETARDED AND UNPRONOUNCEABLE akudood;
if it looks "unpronouncable" (not a word), then you're the retarded one n_u
common sense and psychological research maintain that the brain recognizes the word as "judgement" (if that's what you prefer) pretty much instantaneously simply because it's almost exactly the same. hell, the brain will usually instantaneously connect a jumble of letters to a word even if all the vowels are taken out, or it's just the first and last portions of the word, or anything like that.
honestly anyone who would know how to read and who knows the word "judge" would probably know pretty much by instinct how to pronounce "judgment" even if the "e" is missing
Quote from: Sakamoto on October 10, 2011, 10:27:39 AM
simplification is a good thing LET'S PUT ACRONYMS IN THE DICTIONARY
now you're just being dumb
Nw y're jst bng dmb
Kaz's previous sentence version in short form madood;
I'm surprised no one has expressed outrage at the Proud Family
I go with judgement, by the way
Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 10, 2011, 10:31:45 AM
I'm surprised no one has expressed outrage at the Proud Family
what
Quote from: Reisen on October 10, 2011, 10:29:00 AM
if it looks "unpronouncable" (not a word)
uh yeah it's not a word because you fucking spelled it wrong retard goonish
Quote from: Reisen on October 10, 2011, 10:29:00 AM
common sense and psychological research maintain that the brain recognizes the word as "judgement" (if that's what you prefer) pretty much instantaneously simply because it's almost exactly the same. hell, the brain will usually instantaneously connect a jumble of letters to a word even if all the vowels are taken out, or it's just the first and last portions of the word, or anything like that.
honestly anyone who would know how to read and who knows the word "judge" would probably know pretty much by instinct how to pronounce "judgment" even if the "e" is missing
SO THE HUMAN BRAIN RECOGNIZES THINGS THAT LOOK LIKE OTHER THINGS SO THAT MEANS IN THE FUTRE EVRYONE SHULD TALK LKE THS RIHT
LET'S SRECW WTIH THE LNGUAAGE TO MKAE IT "ESAEIR" BCEASUE WHO NDEES CNOSISETCNY RHGIT???????
probably judgement. ya, that look like how i'd spell it
Quote from: Sakamoto on October 10, 2011, 10:35:39 AM
uh yeah it's not a word because you fucking spelled it wrong retard goonish
SO THE HUMAN BRAIN RECOGNIZES THINGS THAT LOOK LIKE OTHER THINGS SO THAT MEANS IN THE FUTRE EVRYONE SHULD TALK LKE THS RIHT
LET'S SRECW WTIH THE LNGUAAGE TO MKAE IT "ESAEIR" BCEASUE WHO NDEES CNOSISETCNY RHGIT???????
oh, you're right i did. oh well.
seriously though holy fuck shut up and calm down, it's just a simple poll and i can have my opinion if i want
goonish
also i never even came CLOSE to implying that we should all talk like that, what the fuck. i just mentioned how the brain recognizes words even if they're spelled differently/incorrectly to point out that "it looks unpronounceable" is a completely moot point, if not a downright lie.
Ugh I'll just embed the thing next time awdood;
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/v/U0qgxP6QzkI?version=3&hl=en_US[/youtube]
boyah seems to like pictures
Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 10, 2011, 10:41:49 AM
boyah seems to like pictures
i giggled p. loudly giggle;
I think I usually type it as judgement, but it's not anything I've ever taken notice of until now.
Quote from: Reisen on October 10, 2011, 10:38:26 AM
oh, you're right i did. oh well.
seriously though holy fuck shut up and calm down, it's just a simple poll and i can have my opinion if i want
goonish
also i never even came CLOSE to implying that we should all talk like that, what the fuck. i just mentioned how the brain recognizes words even if they're spelled differently/incorrectly to point out that "it looks unpronounceable" is a completely moot point, if not a downright lie.
"dgm" is just ugly plain and simple
i'm saying that if it's okay to mangle "judgement" because the brain will recognize it anyway, why not do that to every single word in the language
Today's going to be a good day for posting, I can tell :O
Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 10, 2011, 10:47:57 AM
Today's going to be a good day for posting, I can tell :O
we should have a discussion about spelling differences every day then :|
Quote from: Taavet on October 10, 2011, 10:48:45 AM
we should have a discussion about spelling differences every day then :|
Well when people have time to devote to such a pointless argument there are bound to be posts aplenty :|
Quote from: Sakamoto on October 10, 2011, 10:46:45 AM
i'm saying that if it's okay to mangle "judgement" because the brain will recognize it anyway, why not do that to every single word in the language
that's not WHY it's spelled that way, that's NOT why i mentioned how the brain recognizes words
i specifically told you why i mentioned it.
look, i'll say it again in the hopes that maybe this time you'll read it. in bold. to make it easier.
i just mentioned how the brain recognizes words... to point out that "it looks unpronounceable" if a completely moot point, if not a downright liewhy do you always go off on tangents and put words in my mouth?
and by your logic, btw, why not force "colour" upon everyone? or "favourite?" see, i can go off on tangents too.
Quote from: Taavet on October 10, 2011, 10:48:45 AM
we should have a discussion about spelling differences every day then :|
nnn i always feel like i don't have an actual say in those :'(
[spoiler]that's why i haven't given an answer to this poll yet girl;[/spoiler]
[spoiler]
jugement girl;[/spoiler]
Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 10, 2011, 10:50:38 AM
Well when people have time to devote to such a pointless argument there are bound to be posts aplenty :|
ugh i didn't even want it to be an argument, i was just curious as to which you guys prefer
instead i get yelling and sarcastic shit flung at me
Quote from: Reisen on October 10, 2011, 10:52:03 AM
ugh i didn't even want it to be an argument, i was just curious as to which you guys prefer
instead i get yelling and sarcastic shit flung at me
Which is fine...
By nyerp n_u
Quote from: Thyme on October 10, 2011, 10:51:56 AM
nnn i always feel like i don't have an actual say in those :'(
[spoiler]that's why i haven't given an answer to this poll yet girl;[/spoiler]
[spoiler]jugement girl;[/spoiler]
well l'académie française and l'office québécois de la langue française don't disagree on spellings all that much, just terms, right? so i guess we could have 'term of the day's n_u
Quote from: Taavet on October 10, 2011, 10:58:14 AM
well l'académie française and l'office québécois de la langue française don't disagree on spellings all that much, just terms, right? so i guess we could have 'term of the day's n_u
lol i was about to correct you telling you that office is feminine, then i looked it up
...smithicide;
j'ai souri giggle;
oh wait i know where that comes from
i was thinking of "la charte québécoise de la langue française"
okay guys nvm nothing to see here you can go back to your anglo-oriented discussion
i can see that kaz is the judg, jry, and egsekyushunr of the english language and i'm sorry i even bothered bassir;
Quote from: Sakamoto on October 10, 2011, 11:07:36 AM
egsekyushunr
(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5708/070415exeggutor.jpg)
Quote from: Sakamoto on October 10, 2011, 11:07:36 AM
i can see that kaz is the judg, jry, and egsekyushunr of the english language and i'm sorry i even bothered bassir;
it's very like you to say something like that, isn't it? just plug some sort of unrelated passive-aggressive comment and leave it at that?
honestly i don't see why you have to be such an ass like that. i'm not trying to be the "judg, jry, and whatsafucksit" about anything and you know it.
Quote from: Sakamoto on October 10, 2011, 11:09:02 AM
that is so wrong that i cried
it is the french word, that is the joke
Quote from: Thyme on October 10, 2011, 11:11:05 AM
it is the french word, that is the joke
oh
i still cried
My spell check prefers judgment so I'll go with that n_n
I don't have a strong opinion either way on this one, but I guess judgment is more like the pronunciation
I tend to switch between American and regular English spellings regularly, but never noticed this difference before
Does "abridgment" have this same difference?
Quote from: Makise Kurisu on October 10, 2011, 11:24:10 AM
Does "abridgment" have this same difference?
abridgement ugh what the cocks awdood;
Quote from: Makise Kurisu on October 10, 2011, 11:24:10 AM
My spell check prefers judgment so I'll go with that n_n
I don't have a strong opinion either way on this one, but I guess judgment is more like the pronunciation
I tend to switch between American and regular English spellings regularly, but never noticed this difference before
Does "abridgment" have this same difference?
this post made me bleed internally
Quote from: Makise Kurisu on October 10, 2011, 11:24:10 AM
My spell check prefers judgment so I'll go with that n_n
I don't have a strong opinion either way on this one, but I guess judgment is more like the pronunciation
I tend to switch between American and regular English spellings regularly, but never noticed this difference before
Does "abridgment" have this same difference?
yes, it works the same way
interestingly though, this spell-checker (chrome's) isn't recognizing "abridgement," despite recognizing "judgement"
it's probably because both judgement and judgment are common enough for both spellings to be ruled accurate. much like cancelled/canceled.
i like to pretend "judgment" doesn't exist myface;
judgment, it seems better to me given the way the word is pronounced... judgement to me implies some sort of dropped intermediary syllable, but there is none.
judgement
It just seems more right to me
How does judgement seem less like the word is pronounced considering it is the "e"'s job to soften the "g"
I mean "acknowledgment" ... just ... smithicide;
Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 10, 2011, 12:32:21 PM
I mean "acknowledgment" ... just ... smithicide;
(https://boyah.net/forums/Smileys/default/ugly.gif)
also "canceled" doesn't exist myface;
Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 10, 2011, 12:32:21 PM
How does judgement seem less like the word is pronounced considering it is the "e"'s job to soften the "g"
I mean "acknowledgment" ... just ... smithicide;
I'd say that function of 'e' is better suited for the ends of words, like judge or acknowledge, but when it gets into the middle of a word the sound is pretty obvious... 'acknowledgment' clearly wouldn't be 'ackknowled-ga-ment' or something with hard sounds, but 'acknowledgement' COULD be 'acknowledg-uh-ment' with mr schwa (I think this way since taking french smithicide; ). I'm all about cutting out the extras inside words, cancelation over cancellation errday baddood;
Quote from: Sakamoto on October 10, 2011, 12:38:30 PM
(https://boyah.net/forums/Smileys/default/ugly.gif)
also "canceled" doesn't exist myface;
yes it does I type that word probably 4 times per day
If you would pronounce the "e" then you may as well pronounce the hard "g" since that would be the correct english form.
But regardless, english is one of the most inconsistent languages so I'm not going to worry too much about it n_u
Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 10, 2011, 12:32:21 PM
How does judgement seem less like the word is pronounced considering it is the "e"'s job to soften the "g"
well, there's a very common rule in English where you drop a silent "e" when adding a suffix. of course, there are tons of exceptions, even in the usually rigid "definitely drop that e if the suffix starts with a vowel" department ("courageous").
but considering that rule, it's not unreasonable for "judgment" to be just as correct. of course, what you mentioned (softening consonants, "g" and "c" being common with this) is just as much a rule, so yeah, it's not like that can really be ruled out either.
a side note - "judgment" is also just as old as it is modern, actually. it has deep biblical and official judiciary roots.
there are more than enough reasons for both to be considered correct, i think, but i still prefer "judgment"
the beauty ( /horror) of english is that you can make any random amalgamated word you want, it's not about reading the sounds individually happydood;
but in this case I don't think there's any problem with judgment, because it's not ambiguous at all (probably less ambiguous than judgement), it's a consonant after a consonant so you can't pronounce them both hard (or at least this rarely happens). I wouldn't want to drop the e out of 'appeasement' or something, because that would actually fuck it up.
Yes, but that is what I am saying... They're equally as right in English pronunciation, I don't see how one appears to be more correct
but dgm is just a combination of nasty hard letters so i like to throw in a vowel to soften them up a bit even though it does nothing extra n_u
talking about silent "e" rules has reminded me of how much i love studying this language lol
it just fascinates me, all the silly variables and such
I'm amazed any foreigners are able to learn it considering the number of exceptions n_u
Quote from: Reisen on October 10, 2011, 01:02:02 PM
talking about silent "e" rules has reminded me of how much i love studying this language lol
it just fascinates me, all the silly variables and such
yes, it's one of my life's goals to have a mastery of english vocabulary and grammar (antiquated/alternate forms, not like how to build a sentence properly)... unfortunately I don't think any single human could learn everything there is to know about english in a lifetime
english is truly a disgusting language (https://boyah.net/forums/Smileys/default/ugly.gif)
Quote from: Sakamoto on October 10, 2011, 02:00:35 PM
english is truly a disgusting language (https://boyah.net/forums/Smileys/default/ugly.gif)
it is a language for artists durrgh
Quote from: silvertone on October 10, 2011, 02:01:25 PM
it is a language for artists durrgh
And poets. Don't forget the poets.
Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 10, 2011, 12:32:21 PM
"acknowledgment"
lol i wasn't even aware this is an acceptable spelling
[spoiler]i vomited[/spoiler]
Quote from: Boognish-Redux- on October 10, 2011, 02:15:27 PM
And poets. Don't forget the poets.
Poets are people who still talk like cavemen.
Here's one thing English actually does correctly:
[spoiler]aluminum THE POWER OF GOD[/spoiler]
Quote from: silvertone on October 10, 2011, 02:22:15 PM
Poets are people who still talk like cavemen.
not
real poets :o
Quote from: Tectrika on October 10, 2011, 02:22:38 PM
Here's one thing English actually does correctly:
[spoiler]aluminum THE POWER OF GOD[/spoiler]
lol no kiddin
Quote from: silvertone on October 10, 2011, 02:22:15 PM
Poets are people who still talk like cavemen.
I'm talking hardcore beat poetry that's from the streets, man.
No, I'm not.
Quote from: vziard on October 10, 2011, 02:23:18 PM
not real poets
good poets sound like cavemen because caveman are rad as heck.
Quote from: Tectrika on October 10, 2011, 02:22:38 PM
Here's one thing English actually does correctly:
[spoiler]aluminum THE POWER OF GOD[/spoiler]
lol i usually put the i 5thgrade;
Quote from: Thyme on October 10, 2011, 04:09:59 PM
lol i usually put the i 5thgrade;
I prefer aluminium 5thgrade;
doogits I bet you couldn't even tell me how many pence a crown is worth
aluminium is easier to say for me [yes, call me retarded all you want].
dealwithitbitches.jpg
Quote from: Taavet on October 10, 2011, 04:47:06 PM
aluminium is easier to say for me [yes, call me retarded all you want].
dealwithitbitches.jpg
My English grandfather says that... I think it's cool girl;
also the only acceptable spelling of "rumour" is with the u :|
Quote from: Taavet on October 10, 2011, 04:47:06 PM
aluminium is easier to say for me [yes, call me retarded all you want].
dealwithitbitches.jpg
same
as it's, you know
the french word girl;
Quote from: Tectrika on October 10, 2011, 04:52:12 PM
also the only acceptable spelling of "rumour" is with the u :|
It's only acceptable because of how close it is to "rum hour" :|
Quote from: Yip Yipper on October 10, 2011, 05:01:10 PM
It's only acceptable because of how close it is to "rum hour" :|
I agree. :|