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Title: help
Post by: Walter on October 02, 2011, 10:23:07 PM
can someone explain what the error function has to do with fick's second law I dont get what the relationship between the two is baddood;
Title: Re: help
Post by: Mando Pandango on October 02, 2011, 10:26:51 PM
Fick's second law predicts how diffusion causes the concentration to change with time:

    \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial t} = D\,\frac{\partial^2 \phi}{\partial x^2}\,\!

Where

    \,\phi is the concentration in dimensions of [(amount of substance) length'3], example (\tfrac\mathrm{mol}{m^3})
    \, t is time (s)
    \, D is the diffusion coefficient in dimensions of [length2 time'1], example (\tfrac{m^2}{s})
    \, x is the position [length], example \,m

It can be derived from Fick's First law and the mass balance:

\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial t} =-\,\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\,J = \frac{\partial}{\partial x}\bigg(\,D\,\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\phi\,\bigg)\,\!

Assuming the diffusion coefficient D to be a constant we can exchange the orders of the differentiating and multiplying by the constant:

    \frac{\partial}{\partial x}\bigg(\,D\,\frac{\partial}{\partial x} \phi\,\bigg) = D\,\frac{\partial}{\partial x} \frac{\partial}{\partial x} \,\phi = D\,\frac{\partial^2\phi}{\partial x^2}

and, thus, receive the form of the Fick's equations as was stated above.

For the case of diffusion in two or more dimensions Fick's Second Law becomes

\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial t} = D\,\nabla^2\,\phi\,\!,

which is analogous to the heat equation.

If the diffusion coefficient is not a constant, but depends upon the coordinate and/or concentration, Fick's Second Law yields

    \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial t} = \nabla \cdot (\,D\,\nabla\,\phi\,)\,\!

An important example is the case where \,\phi is at a steady state, i.e. the concentration does not change by time, so that the left part of the above equation is identically zero. In one dimension with constant \, D, the solution for the concentration will be a linear change of concentrations along \, x. In two or more dimensions we obtain

    \nabla^2\,\phi =0\!

which is Laplace's equation, the solutions to which are called harmonic functions by mathematicians.

DUH
Title: Re: help
Post by: Walter on October 02, 2011, 10:31:29 PM
oh ok but where does the error function come in and why is it used. my professor wants us to derive the second law and explain something about the error function but I dont know why or where the error function is used

wtf someone upstairs just hulk yelled and banged on something that was weird
Title: Re: help
Post by: Mando Pandango on October 02, 2011, 10:32:30 PM
idk i just copied that from wikipedia
Title: Re: help
Post by: Walter on October 02, 2011, 10:33:39 PM
Quote from: ポ--,,ルの" on October 02, 2011, 10:32:30 PM
idk i just copied that from wikipedia


OH YOU SLY DOG akudood;
Title: Re: help
Post by: bluaki on October 02, 2011, 10:57:49 PM
Quote from: ポ--,,ルの" on October 02, 2011, 10:32:30 PM
idk i just copied that from wikipedia
At least use boyah's tex tag around the latex equations akudood;
Quote from: ポ--,,ルの" on October 02, 2011, 10:26:51 PM
[tex]\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial t} = D\,\frac{\partial^2 \phi}{\partial x^2}\,\![/tex]
    [tex]\,\phi[/tex] is the concentration in dimensions of [(amount of substance) length'3]
    [tex]\, t[/tex] is time (s)
    [tex]\, D[/tex] is the diffusion coefficient in dimensions of [length2 time'1]
    [tex]\, x[/tex] is the position [length], example [tex]\,m[/tex]

[tex]\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial t} =-\,\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\,J = \frac{\partial}{\partial x}\bigg(\,D\,\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\phi\,\bigg)\,\![/tex]

[tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\bigg(\,D\,\frac{\partial}{\partial x} \phi\,\bigg) = D\,\frac{\partial}{\partial x} \frac{\partial}{\partial x} \,\phi = D\,\frac{\partial^2\phi}{\partial x^2}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial t} = D\,\nabla^2\,\phi\,\!,[/tex]

[tex]\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial t} = \nabla \cdot (\,D\,\nabla\,\phi\,)\,\![/tex]

[tex]\nabla^2\,\phi =0\![/tex]
Title: Re: help
Post by: applesauce on October 03, 2011, 12:26:55 AM
well is it homework or a project/test?

If it's homework, don't do it.
Title: Re: help
Post by: PLEASEHELP1991 on October 03, 2011, 12:42:14 AM
error function is just a statistical function and thermodynamics is statistically-derived
duh.
Title: Re: help
Post by: FAMY2 on October 03, 2011, 04:05:20 AM
Are you guys talking dirty to each other?