Yesterday I was at Costco with my parents picking out phones with our new phone plan. We were there for a while, and after talking with the people working in the phone kiosk for a while, and mentioning that I was looking for a job, I was offered an interview. The girl working at the booth pulled me aside (lol i was with my parents) and was like btw they drug test.
I'm scheduling my interview today, and I'm hoping that I can get it scheduled for around Wednesday next week. The last time that I smoked the beers was Saturday night, and I've probably averaged smoking the beers 1-2 times/day for the last few months. I've done a shit load of research, and there are detoxification methods, which I will be indulging in for the next week (along with not smoking the beers lol), but I'm a little skeptical. I've heard of people getting somebody to pee in a condom, and taping the condom to the inside of your leg (to keep it warm) and using that urine (assuming that they don't watch you pee, which would be a huge problem for me anyway because I'm a nervous pee'er).
So yeah anyways I have a drug test within the next couple weeks. Has anybody here had experience with being tested? Any advice?
You could always buy a detox kit
If you use the stuff you put in urine it doesn't always work. You have to get the ratio right. Everyone I knows uses the stuff you drink .
If you are lucky you will get a saliva based test, which can only detect it for like 2 days at most.
el retardo gramer. o .
lol you'd finally use a condom for something.
giggle;
Uh I'd say you are probably fucked. Best bet is to exercise a lot to burn off any fat that may be storing shit, drink lots of water to replenish body water lost through the exercise as well as flushing your kidneys and system of as much of anything that can be detected as possible.
Remember to take a multivitamin so when you are peeing you are also excreting vitamins and not just water which is a giveaway that you're trying to cheat a test.
also in the 3 or so days before the test do not exercise because the fat may release the shit into your system and cause you to fail.
though that probably won't really work but the most you have to lose with this is some body fat %
For the amount you smoke, realistically, you probably aren't going to pass.
Quote from: MF Doom on May 09, 2011, 02:33:00 PM
I've heard of people getting somebody to pee in a condom, and taping the condom to the inside of your leg (to keep it warm) and using that urine (assuming that they don't watch you pee, which would be a huge problem for me anyway because I'm a nervous pee'er).
No and no and no and no and no and no.
I got patted down for two of mine, for starters. Not sure if that's a universal practice, but it's something to consider. Then you're incredibly fucked.
Follow JMV's advice, ignore any stupid ideas to "cheat" it, and if you fail it, you fail it and don't get the job.
Quote from: YPR on May 09, 2011, 02:36:54 PM
You could always buy a detox kit
waste of moeny. drink shit tons of water and work the fuck out liek you're an egyptian slave. there's something else you're supposed to do so your piss isnt super watered down, but google that im too lazy lol
I hear cranberry juice works too but nothing confirmed n_u
Uuuhhmmm..
I would just take the test and see how the results go. If you fail, get a job that doesn't drug test. There are plenty out there.
Also if you've smoked weed every day to 3 days a week for the past 2 months or so you're fucked anyway. Give up now/ get some piss ready to pour in a cup lol
i have a friend who does nician pills or watever they called. he says they work but i never really tried it
Do they also do random drug tests?
Also, did you look high or something for her to tell you that?
Quote from: Banned on May 09, 2011, 07:15:20 PM
Do they also do random drug tests?
Also, did you look high or something for her to tell you that?
Nope, just the initial one.
Idk, I was talking to her about my birthday weekend and I think I mentioned smoking.
I think I'm going for the fake urine lol, but if they pat you down that is scary...
dear god david
Dear god is right.
Good luck with the temperature. My brother could never get it right and failed multiple times. n_u
Quote from: Hiro on May 09, 2011, 09:23:09 PM
dear god david
what?
Quote from: Guy on May 09, 2011, 09:43:06 PM
Dear god is right.
Good luck with the temperature. My brother could never get it right and failed multiple times. n_u
Yeah I'm kind of nervous for that. There's a temp kit that i can buy with a built in thermometer that you can strap a handwarmer to so you can keep it at the right temp for like 4 hours. I might buy it.
don't fake it, just load up on niacin supplements and drink 70+ gallons of water per day for 2-3 days before the test. you'll probably register trace amounts but nothing past the threshold where they can do anything.
Quote from: vziard on May 09, 2011, 11:23:34 PM
don't fake it, just load up on niacin supplements and drink 70+ gallons of water per day for 2-3 days before the test. you'll probably register trace amounts but nothing past the threshold where they can do anything.
can you vouch for this?
Quote from: MF Doom on May 09, 2011, 08:59:16 PM
Idk, I was talking to her about my birthday weekend and I think I mentioned smoking the beers.
Because that's one of the first things you bring up when talking to a potential employer.
Quote from: MF Doom on May 09, 2011, 10:46:53 PM
what? Yeah I'm kind of nervous for that. There's a temp kit that i can buy with a built in thermometer that you can strap a handwarmer to so you can keep it at the right temp for like 4 hours. I might buy it.
Really though, I can't stress it enough to
not try to bring any outside shit in. To
not try to bring any outside shit in.
It's a stupid idea.
Quote from: Chemical Zen on May 10, 2011, 04:51:00 AM
Because that's one of the first things you bring up when talking to a potential employer.
Really though, I can't stress it enough to not try to bring any outside shit in. Tonot try to bring any outside shit in.
It's a stupid idea.
Idk I've never heard of being patted down from anybody, and I've heard of using somebody else's urine working for just about everybody I've asked.
Quote from: MF Doom on May 10, 2011, 01:07:21 AM
can you vouch for this?
yeah, drinking gallons of water for a week will work by itself but niacin helps too. I mean you haven't been smokin mad blunts or doing speed or anything, THC isn't that hard to dilute/mask. I've known people who have done this, just literally don't stop drinking water for 2 days prior to the test
if you have to, get someone else's piss, suck it up your dick like the trunk of an elephant, then hold it there until the test. slowly release it into the test receptacle.
Quote from: vziard on May 10, 2011, 10:28:40 AM
get someone else's piss, suck it up your dick like the trunk of an elephant,
i burst out laughing in the middle of a library
Quote from: MF Doom on May 10, 2011, 09:20:37 AM
Idk I've never heard of being patted down from anybody, and I've heard of using somebody else's urine working for just about everybody I've asked.
Well, they're probably full of shit then.
Quote from: vziard on May 10, 2011, 10:28:40 AM
if you have to, get someone else's piss, suck it up your dick like the trunk of an elephant, then hold it there until the test. slowly release it into the test receptacle.
I can vouch for this
Just tell them you've smoked and drank a lot this past weekend and can't take the test until next week.
Quote from: vziard on May 10, 2011, 10:28:40 AM
if you have to, get someone else's piss, suck it up your dick like the trunk of an elephant, then hold it there until the test.
what the fuck
what the fuck
Quote from: HeroofTime55 on May 10, 2011, 06:44:25 PM
what the fuck
what the fuck
You obviously don't know how penises work.
Jeez, kids these days need to take a health class or two
Quote from: Chemical Zen on May 10, 2011, 10:40:02 AM
Well, they're probably full of shit then.
I asked quite a few people about it and nobody has ever heard of getting patted down for a drug test. Was it for a court test?
IMO it's an invasion of privacy anyway.
Whats illegal is the possession, transportation, and sale of drugs. Actually using drugs, isn't actually illegal. You can't be busted for being high, but you can be busted if he then searches you and finds a bag of drugs. Or if you were like, driving or some shit.
Why? Because the federal government never was supposed to be able to do this in the first place, so they abused the powers granted by the commerce clause in the Constitution to cause as much trouble as they could, when really it should have been a power left to the States.
So, they are discriminating against you for something that isn't even illegal, by barring you if you fail a drug test. Yes, being high strongly implies that you were at one point in possession of drugs, but it can't be proven on that basis alone, because there are silly scenarios you can set up where you can get high without at any point transporting, selling, buying, or even possessing contraband, with a little creative effort. Though if they were really out to fuck your day, you could still be charged as an accessory to whatever "crime" the other participants get charged with, even if it would take a special breed of sperglord to follow through with that.
Yeah. It's fucked up.
Quote from: HeroofTime55 on May 10, 2011, 11:22:09 PM
IMO it's an invasion of privacy anyway.
I wouldn't say that it's an invasion of privacy in that you take the drug test of your own volition because you want the job, but people aren't actually forced to get a job at whatever place is drug testing.
Quote from: HeroofTime55 on May 10, 2011, 11:22:09 PM
IMO it's an invasion of privacy anyway.
Whats illegal is the possession, transportation, and sale of drugs. Actually using drugs, isn't actually illegal. You can't be busted for being high, but you can be busted if he then searches you and finds a bag of drugs. Or if you were like, driving or some shit.
Why? Because the federal government never was supposed to be able to do this in the first place, so they abused the powers granted by the commerce clause in the Constitution to cause as much trouble as they could, when really it should have been a power left to the States.
So, they are discriminating against you for something that isn't even illegal, by barring you if you fail a drug test. Yes, being high strongly implies that you were at one point in possession of drugs, but it can't be proven on that basis alone, because there are silly scenarios you can set up where you can get high without at any point transporting, selling, buying, or even possessing contraband, with a little creative effort. Though if they were really out to fuck your day, you could still be charged as an accessory to whatever "crime" the other participants get charged with, even if it would take a special breed of sperglord to follow through with that.
very true but a private company choosing their employees should still be able to discriminate on any basis they choose. although I disagree with drug testing, it says a lot about a person if the results come back positive for trace amounts of THC vs. positive for coke
Gotta love how coke filters through your system in a few days while THC takes up to a month lol
i love it cos thats why weed isnt addicting l Ol
Quote from: villinman666 on May 11, 2011, 04:55:23 PM
i love it cos thats why weed isnt addicting l Ol
not true at all
Quote from: vziard on May 11, 2011, 12:23:20 PM
very true but a private company choosing their employees should still be able to discriminate on any basis they choose. although I disagree with drug testing, it says a lot about a person if the results come back positive for trace amounts of THC vs. positive for coke
"Niggers, jews, and fags aren't allowed to work at my shop"
There is a very good reason we have laws against discrimination by employers. I disagree with the idea of quotas, but you should be hired on your merits at completing the job you're applying for, and not really anything else.
Quote from: Banned on May 11, 2011, 10:52:55 AM
I wouldn't say that it's an invasion of privacy in that you take the drug test of your own volition because you want the job, but people aren't actually forced to get a job at whatever place is drug testing.
It would be an invasion of privacy if they, for example, required you to take some sort of "homosexuality test" as a prerequisite to employment, I don't see how this is any different.
Quote from: HeroofTime55 on May 11, 2011, 05:51:42 PM
It would be an invasion of privacy if they, for example, required you to take some sort of "homosexuality test" as a prerequisite to employment, I don't see how this is any different.
Yeah, of course sexual preference has the same potential consequences as using an illicit substance in the workplace. Good call.
It's not just a screening tool, but a way for employers to cover their ass if and when issues come up.
If someone gets injured where I work, for example, they get tested right away.
Quote from: Chemical Zen on May 11, 2011, 06:17:45 PM
Yeah, of course sexual preference has the same potential consequences as using an illicit substance in the workplace. Good call.
It's not just a screening tool, but a way for employers to cover their ass if and when issues come up.
If someone gets injured where I work, for example, they get tested right away.
Being high on the job is an entirely separate issue from being high in your free time. I'm not talking about being high while working heavy machinery on the job, I'm talking about the invasion of the private lives of people.
Saying that smoking in your free time equals smoking on the job is the same as assuming homos are going to fuck each other in the ass while on the job.
lmao if you dont think someones personal life doesnt effect their work preformance also lmao if you get pissed when an employer wants a drug free employee community that represent said employer
Quote from: HeroofTime55 on May 11, 2011, 06:51:17 PM
Being high on the job is an entirely separate issue from being high in your free time. I'm not talking about being high while working heavy machinery on the job, I'm talking about the invasion of the private lives of people.
Saying that smoking the beers in your free time equals smoking the beers on the job is the same as assuming homos are going to fuck each other in the ass while on the job.
That doesn't make much sense though. And this whole privacy argument doesn't have
any merit whatsoever in this situation.
Recreational drug use doesn't automatically make someone a poor employee, sure, but how can you blame an employer for wanting their employees to not use, especially in work environments that demand more than others. Regardless, if you're a responsible user, you can just
stop smoking or using for a few weeks until you get the fucking job. Don't treat this like it's some massive abuse against people's rights, because it isn't.
A guy that used to work for us broke off a customer's back window on their vehicle with a forklift because he was swimming in Vicodin.
Quote from: villinman666 on May 11, 2011, 06:57:42 PM
lmao if you dont think someones personal life doesnt effect their work preformance also lmao if you get pissed when an employer wants a drug free employee community that represent said employer
"lmao if you get pissed when an employer wants a homosexual free employee community that represent said employer"
Also should employers fire their workers if they, say, I don't know, are going through a rough divorce? Something that will affect performance much more than taking drugs in their own time.
Quote from: Chemical Zen on May 11, 2011, 07:26:28 PM
That doesn't make much sense though. And this whole privacy argument doesn't have any merit whatsoever in this situation.
The argument is about it being an undue invasion of privacy or not, so actually, it does have some merit in this debate. It's like if an employer started testing for HIV (in a job where that doesn't matter, mind you, in other words, being a surgeon or a porn star), and didn't hire someone on that basis. The private life is not the business of an employer. If you're in sales, all that matters is your ability to sell product, not your gender, race, religion, sexuality, HIV status, or recreational drug use in your private life.
QuoteRecreational drug use doesn't automatically make someone a poor employee, sure, but how can you blame an employer for wanting their employees to not use, especially in work environments that demand more than others. Regardless, if you're a responsible user, you can just stop smoking the beers or using for a few weeks until you get the fucking job. Don't treat this like it's some massive abuse against people's rights, because it isn't.
A guy that used to work for us broke off a customer's back window on their vehicle with a forklift because he was swimming in Vicodin.
Using drugs
on the job is TOTALLY different from what I'm talking about, and if you get high or drunk, if you put yourself under the influence of any substance at all
while on company time, your ass should be out the door immediately. I have NEVER stated otherwise.
My contention is that testing for drugs is an invasion into an individual's private life, which myst necessarily be separate from their working life.
Quote from: HeroofTime55 on May 11, 2011, 08:05:19 PM
"lmao if you get pissed when an employer wants a homosexual free employee community that represent said employer"
Also should employers fire their workers if they, say, I don't know, are going through a rough divorce? Something that will affect performance much more than taking drugs in their own time.
That's overgeneralized bullshit and you know it. You're really giving a little too much credit to users. Believe it or not, they're all not responsible enough to keep their recreational use separate from their place of employment. Things have a way of influencing and bleeding into one another. Remove drug tests and then where's the standard set for people eventually showing up to work high? What could the potential consequences be? How would they go about being reprimanded if there's no tool for identifying it in the first place?
Quote from: HeroofTime55 on May 11, 2011, 08:05:19 PM
My contention is that testing for drugs is an invasion into an individual's private life, which myst necessarily be separate from their working life.
And keep in mind, and excusing whatever thoughts you have on the legality of things, these are illegal substances. Potential employers have every right to screen for this even just considering and looking from the perspective of the liability slant.
Like I said, if you're using responsibly, these are just the risks you have to take.
And, if you're under the comfortable assumption that home and the workplace are completely separate, cordoned off environments that can't possibly affect one another, you're probably never had a job before.
Oh, I see where we're at the point where you inform total strangers that they've "never had a job before." I'm also, shockingly, not a druggie - I'm a libertarian, and I believe that the government and big business need to get the fuck out of our personal lives. I've smoked pot maybe, like, 3 or 4 times, 2 years ago, just to try it. Haven't done anything else. And I do work. Not currently, I'm in school, but when I'm not in school I work.
My firsthand experience with users, going to an intelligent tech school, is that they are responsible people. Yes, there are irresponsible people out there too, but they're probably not going to even apply for a job in the first place.
No test? Have you ever seen someone who is high? There are signals that reveal it, and once you step in company property in your work clothes, you're fair game to be kicked out of the building on the goddamn spot. As you should be.
Oh, and whether or not they actually are illegal is up for debate, specifically around the question of whether or not the laws are valid. I know California is at least one state that is butting heads with the federal government on drug policy, and other states are butting heads on other issues. The States, basically, are fed up with what the Feds are doing. And this discounts the reality that even the Constitution isn't some universal law, everything is only worth what support the People are willing to throw behind it. But that's a little abstract from the issue at hand.
Edit: fuck these gay wordfilters
At my summer job people shot up heroin in the office girl;
WTF? Where did you work again? O_0
You know what will suck the most? If they give you a hair follicle test. n_u
Quote from: HeroofTime55 on May 11, 2011, 05:51:42 PM
"Niggers, jews, and fags aren't allowed to work at my shop"
There is a very good reason we have laws against discrimination by employers. I disagree with the idea of quotas, but you should be hired on your merits at completing the job you're applying for, and not really anything else.
It would be an invasion of privacy if they, for example, required you to take some sort of "homosexuality test" as a prerequisite to employment, I don't see how this is any different.
But you can refuse to take the test. Sure you won't get the job or you'll most likely lose your job if you refuse, but you still can refuse to take it.
So how is it an invasion of privacy when you willingly give them access by doing something you aren't actually forced to do?
Quote from: yoseph on May 12, 2011, 05:30:29 AM
You know what will suck the most? If they give you a hair follicle test. n_u
A friend had to do that, went off we
ed for like 4 months and then cut his hair short. He was unhappy.
Quote from: Banned on May 12, 2011, 08:43:52 AM
But you can refuse to take the test. Sure you won't get the job or you'll most likely lose your job if you refuse, but you still can refuse to take it.
So how is it an invasion of privacy when you willingly give them access by doing something you aren't actually forced to do?
Yeah, no, that's not how it works. I've already explained how this parallels if an employer tested for homosexuality. You can't counter with the "it's a choice!" argument - Especially in this economy where it's hard to find a job.
Yes, if the guy robbing me is golding a gun to my head, I can "choose" not to hand over my wallet. It's not a free choice, there is coercion. In our argument, there is the coercion of "I need a job so I'm not living on the streets!"
Quote from: HeroofTime55 on May 11, 2011, 09:16:16 PM
My firsthand experience with users, going to an intelligent tech school, is that they are responsible people. Yes, there are irresponsible people out there too, but they're probably not going to even apply for a job in the first place.
You'd be surprised.
Quote from: HeroofTime55 on May 11, 2011, 09:16:16 PM
No test? Have you ever seen someone who is high? There are signals that reveal it, and once you step in company property in your work clothes, you're fair game to be kicked out of the building on the goddamn spot. As you should be.
Oh, and whether or not they actually are illegal is up for debate, specifically around the question of whether or not the laws are valid. I know California is at least one state that is butting heads with the federal government on drug policy, and other states are butting heads on other issues. The States, basically, are fed up with what the Feds are doing. And this discounts the reality that even the Constitution isn't some universal law, everything is only worth what support the People are willing to throw behind it. But that's a little abstract from the issue at hand.
I have no problem with recreational drug use. I like pot as much as the next guy down the line and I've done my share of experimentation with other things.
And obviously there are glaring signs when someone is high on the job, but what I was getting at was the fact that with drug testing, especially post-incident ones, there's official documentation of that taking place, allowing employers to take action without fearing some bullshit repercussions.
In the case of the guy that destroyed the back end of someone's vehicle with a forklift, he was tested immediately afterward, tested positive for Hydrocodone and was promptly fired.
Quote from: HeroofTime55 on May 12, 2011, 08:52:02 AM
Yeah, no, that's not how it works. I've already explained how this parallels if an employer tested for homosexuality. You can't counter with the "it's a choice!" argument - Especially in this economy where it's hard to find a job.
Yes, if the guy robbing me is golding a gun to my head, I can "choose" not to hand over my wallet. It's not a free choice, there is coercion. In our argument, there is the coercion of "I need a job so I'm not living on the streets!"
And that's entirely skewing the context of things. You put anything in there and twist it enough to make it fit.
If the government came knocking at your door occasionally to test you, that's an invasion of privacy.
If you willfully submit to one for possible employment when you don't have to, that's not.
There's not much else to say here, poncho.
Quote from: Chemical Zen on May 11, 2011, 07:26:28 PM
Regardless, if you're a responsible user, you can just stop smoking the beers or using for a few weeks until you get the fucking job. Don't treat this like it's some massive abuse against people's rights, because it isn't.
I agree with this partially, but I didn't have enough time prior to the drug test to detox myself. And I agree that some drugs, when used recreationally, should be of concern to the employer, but not cannabis.
Also I have my interview tomorrow and he said nothing about a drug test. Should I prepare myself regardless? Or are they obligated to tell you ahead of time?
Quote from: MF Doom on May 12, 2011, 09:10:41 AM
Also I have my interview tomorrow and he said nothing about a drug test. Should I prepare myself regardless? Or are they obligated to tell you ahead of time?
If it's a first interview, it's not likely that they're going to do anything like that.
My last job, a week after the interview they called and said I had the job. Got tested that day.
Never heard about anyone getting tested the same day as the interview, unless they really need someone right away.
Quote from: HeroofTime55 on May 12, 2011, 08:52:02 AM
Yeah, no, that's not how it works. I've already explained how this parallels if an employer tested for homosexuality. You can't counter with the "it's a choice!" argument - Especially in this economy where it's hard to find a job.
Yes, if the guy robbing me is golding a gun to my head, I can "choose" not to hand over my wallet. It's not a free choice, there is coercion. In our argument, there is the coercion of "I need a job so I'm not living on the streets!"
You do realize that you can choose not to smoke pot, right?
Quote from: FAMY2 on May 12, 2011, 04:49:13 AM
WTF? Where did you work again? O_0
I worked as a salesman for a contracting company. I think over half of the original employees are in jail now for drug-related charges girl;
Everything from weed to coke to heroin to morphine was done in my time there
Quote from: applesauce on May 12, 2011, 10:09:46 AM
You do realize that you can choose not to SMOKE THE BEERS pot, right?
Just as someone can choose not to slide their dick into another man's asshole. But that's not the point.
Well I heard that costco usually does saliva tests, which is good because the THC isn't noticeable after 24-48 hours of not smoking. I smoked yesterday (i was planning on either using someone else's urine or a detox kit) and my interview is tomorrow, so if I get mouth swabbed, I'll hopefully be okay lol
I just got hired at the YMCA for the summer though, so it's not a huge deal if I get this job or not, since if I got this one, I would stay in my college town for most of the summer to work, but now I'll be able to work at home for the entire summer. The only benefit of Costco is the fact that I'd be able to work once school starts.
So yeah it's not the end of the world if I don't get hired since I already have a for sure job for the summer, which is why I'm taking this fairly lightly now.
Quote from: MF Doom on May 12, 2011, 06:33:56 PM
Well I heard that costco usually does saliva tests, which is good because the THC isn't noticeable after 24-48 hours of not smoking the beers. I smoked the beers yesterday (i was planning on either using someone else's urine or a detox kit) and my interview is tomorrow, so if I get mouth swabbed, I'll hopefully be okay lol
Blarghghg.
Quote from: Chemical Zen on May 12, 2011, 06:47:05 PM
Blarghghg.
Note the paragraph after that one explaining that the job isn't as important anymore as I already have a solid job secured for the summer.
weed owns . it like a really good thing to do
Quote from: MF Doom on May 12, 2011, 06:48:04 PM
Note the paragraph after that one explaining that the job isn't as important anymore as I already have a solid job secured for the summer.
Ok.
Quote from: MF Doom on May 12, 2011, 06:57:13 PM
Stop not approving of me :(
that was actually a pretty stupid thing though.
Quote from: Travis on May 12, 2011, 07:00:16 PM
that was actually a pretty stupid thing though.
yeah lol
but like i said i care 10x less about this job than i did when i originally posted this topic
actually we should lock this now
unlocked for discussion of drug tests
tyranny
I tried sry
well i ended up going to my interview friday, and because they were understaffed, the manager couldn't interview me, so i filled out an application on the spot, and we had a little informal interview, and he pretty much told me that i was perfect, but it all depended on if they could fit me.
so no drug test. i have a phone interview sometime this week, and i'm assuming testing is before my training starts. done smoking for real lol
have fun working at costco
welcome to costco. i love u
Quote from: villinman666 on May 17, 2011, 06:03:03 AM
welcome to costco. i love u
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