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Title: Back in Japan.
Post by: Norwegian Lesbians on October 22, 2009, 08:16:09 PM
I performed some of my CCT/PJ duties in the Phillipines until about 5 hours ago.
Basically, here's the run down:

Went to the Phillipines to held with disaster recovery.
Got shot at by a local, put him down. First kill. Unauthorized, NJP pending, but I'll probably get off with self and unit defense.

Recovered alot of dead bodies from delapidated homes.
Icky.
Yay HazMat tech. certifications.

Also, i earned 2k for working 5 days.
Woot woot
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: FAMY2 on October 22, 2009, 10:27:49 PM
 saddood; It's a dirty job.
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Socks on October 22, 2009, 11:15:02 PM
Quote from: FAMY2 on October 22, 2009, 10:27:49 PM
saddood; It's a dirty job.


what are you sad about? it's a great job

i'm somewhat surprise at only an NJP pending though, but ROE do always cover self defense
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Sam on October 22, 2009, 11:31:06 PM
I'm with rae.
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: NOA_Haunted on October 23, 2009, 12:35:39 AM
Sounds awesome  giggle;
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Cookie on October 23, 2009, 01:16:37 AM
You got to shoot someone? This sounds just like COD!
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Classic on October 23, 2009, 01:58:08 AM
How terrible.

But the money is good.
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Socks on October 23, 2009, 02:06:23 AM
Quote from: Julius on October 23, 2009, 01:58:08 AM
How terrible.

But the money is good.


he's directly helping save and shelter underdeveloped people from the aftermath of a typhoon via humanitarian aid, while indirectly spreading U.S. influence in the region and promoting regional stability, and all you can say is "how terrible" and the "money is good"?

sorry, but this is an idiotic moment of yours
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Classic on October 23, 2009, 02:08:54 AM
Really, I meant how terrible for the people in the typhoon, and for Rusty having to deal with such a gruesome situation. But whatever.

sorry, but this is an idiotic moment of yours
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Socks on October 23, 2009, 02:21:30 AM
Quote from: Julius on October 23, 2009, 02:08:54 AM
Really, I meant how terrible for the people in the typhoon...


yeah your empathy was oozing all over the place


Quote from: Julius on October 23, 2009, 02:08:54 AM
...and for Rusty having to deal with such a gruesome situation. But whatever.


my my, how presumptuous. did you think that Rusty thought that he would be signing up for the girl scouts to sell cookies?
even in the midst of tragedy there if far more positives to take away from such an experience, no need to sulk about in a negative state of mind
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Sam on October 23, 2009, 03:29:15 AM
socks, shut up. >_>
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Norwegian Lesbians on October 23, 2009, 03:37:01 AM
I'll let you guys know Monday if I got NJP'D or not.
What're they gonna do? Rip a stripe off for taking down a Papa with a fucking revolver?
I only used my M9.  RoE, fuckas.
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Socks on October 23, 2009, 04:57:16 AM
Quote from: Sam on October 23, 2009, 03:29:15 AM
socks, shut up. >_>


:(
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Nyerp on October 23, 2009, 05:44:09 AM
why are dumbasses like you allowed to kill people
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Title on October 23, 2009, 06:37:02 AM
w41t1n 4 p01n7
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Hiro on October 23, 2009, 09:51:31 AM
I find this very interesting. You didn't feel bad about the killing at all?
It sounds like an awful experience, but at least you're helping people and getting paid well.
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: rdl on October 23, 2009, 10:09:25 AM
Quote from: Hïro on October 23, 2009, 09:51:31 AM
I find this very interesting. You didn't feel bad about the killing at all?
Honestly the only way I could explain how he might not feel bad is that he's a sociopath, but I don't wanna judge. Maybe he thinks he'll be a pansy if he feels bad about it, I dunno. He's always struck me as one of those pseudo-macho guys.
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Travis on October 23, 2009, 12:07:02 PM
Nice dude!
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Daddy on October 23, 2009, 03:45:10 PM
Quote from: RDX on October 23, 2009, 10:09:25 AM
Honestly the only way I could explain how he might not feel bad is that he's a sociopath, but I don't wanna judge. Maybe he thinks he'll be a pansy if he feels bad about it, I dunno. He's always struck me as one of those pseudo-macho guys.
The guy tried to kill him. I don't really think I'd feel too bad after killing someone who tried to kill me when I was trying to help him in the first place. doodhuh;


Factor that in with being desensitized after killing plenty of other people while in Afghanistan/Iraq and it's not really shocking or sociopathic.
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: rdl on October 23, 2009, 03:48:59 PM
Quote from: Billy Idol on October 22, 2009, 08:16:09 PM
First kill.
was he joking?
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Chōshū on October 23, 2009, 03:50:06 PM
Sorry, I'm a bit confused by this situation. 

What's your job and what are you doing in the Philippines/Japan region anyway?
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: spaceman on October 23, 2009, 04:07:10 PM
Quote from: Ch...sh...« on October 23, 2009, 03:50:06 PM
Sorry, I'm a bit confused by this situation. 

What's your job and what are you doing in the Philippines/Japan region anyway?

cannon fodder

Military superman.
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Norwegian Lesbians on October 23, 2009, 05:33:54 PM
I've been in Afghaniland, and yes I've been shot at before.
I've had counseling and shit before for war time experiences.
I have an appointment with the Chaplain Monday night to talk about my actions, and a continued future in the military.
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Chōshū on October 23, 2009, 11:44:19 PM
Well good luck with your future endeavors.
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Daddy on October 24, 2009, 12:45:43 AM
Quote from: RDX on October 23, 2009, 03:48:59 PM
was he joking?
It means he killed the guy before the guy killed one of them.
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: YPrrrr on October 24, 2009, 12:49:46 AM
How old is rusty anyway
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Daddy on October 24, 2009, 12:51:00 AM
Quote from: YPR on October 24, 2009, 12:49:46 AM
How old is rusty anyway
Birthday:   May 25, 1990
Age:   19 baddood;
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: YPrrrr on October 24, 2009, 12:52:05 AM
Quote from: Ensign Halibar on October 24, 2009, 12:51:00 AM
Birthday:   May 25, 1990
Age:   19 baddood;
Woops

It's weird to be older than people stationed for the military...
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Classic on October 24, 2009, 12:52:24 AM
I'm glad I said no to the services.

When they called I asked them "Do you guys still do the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"?"

They never called back.  giggle;
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Daddy on October 24, 2009, 12:53:18 AM
Obama wants to repeal that. ENJOY YOUR GAY ARMY TYLER akudood;
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Classic on October 24, 2009, 12:54:04 AM
GOD DAMMIT OBAMA

I guess equality does have its disadvantages.  :3

Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: YPrrrr on October 24, 2009, 12:55:10 AM
Kaz is not homosexual dammit akudood;
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: ME## on October 24, 2009, 12:57:18 AM
Quote from: Ensign Halibar on October 24, 2009, 12:53:18 AM
Obama wants to repeal that. ENJOY YOUR kaz is gay ARMY TYLER akudood;


OBAMA SECRETLY HATES GAYS   akudood;
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Classic on October 24, 2009, 12:57:47 AM
Quote from: Дави́д on October 24, 2009, 12:57:18 AM
OBAMA SECRETLY HATES GAYS   akudood;

And what way to kill us off better than in our own army?  giggle;
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: ME## on October 24, 2009, 01:02:21 AM
Quote from: Julius on October 24, 2009, 12:57:47 AM
And what way to kill us off better than in our own army?  giggle;


But the chances of dying compared to previous wars is much lower.  And besides, no politician in his right mind would resort to conscription, so the military would remain a voluntary service.  befuddlement
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Norwegian Lesbians on October 29, 2009, 02:21:56 PM
Oh btw, I did get NJP'D.
They took away my 2,000 bonus.
Oh well.
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Daddy on October 29, 2009, 02:35:22 PM
Quote from: Billy Idol on October 29, 2009, 02:21:56 PM
Oh btw, I did get NJP'D.
They took away my 2,000 bonus.
Oh well.
why lol


do you know someone with the last name bills baddood;


he's apparently stationed in okakaaknaanannwnwnwnwnawa too
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Socks on October 29, 2009, 02:37:33 PM
Quote from: JMV on October 29, 2009, 02:35:22 PM
why lol


Military/Civilian bureaucracy and public relations.

Quote from: JMV on October 29, 2009, 02:35:22 PM
he's apparently stationed in okakaaknaanannwnwnwnwnawa too


Along with like 20,000 other people and hundreds who come and go everyday.
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Daddy on October 29, 2009, 02:40:59 PM
Quote from: Socks on October 29, 2009, 02:37:33 PM
Military/Civilian bureaucracy and public relations.
he should kill more  filipinos until he can keep his money akudood;


Quote
Along with like 20,000 other people and hundreds who come and go everyday.
It's still worth asking baddood;
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Norwegian Lesbians on October 29, 2009, 02:57:55 PM
No I don't know a Bills.
There's like 12 fucking camps and bases on this fucking island.
It belongs to Japan, but we all know who runs the show: me.
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Daddy on October 29, 2009, 03:00:29 PM
you should make a rap video  based off run this town
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Socks on October 29, 2009, 03:06:28 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q_WDX2Ilhc[/youtube]

one of my faves
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Title on October 30, 2009, 05:47:17 AM
Frankly, the DADT policy is fairly justified and doesn't really violate anyone's rights. You shouldn't need to openly express your homosexuality in the military, just like you shouldn't need to openly express your heterosexuality in the military. Neither have a place.
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: the shortest route to the sea on October 30, 2009, 07:08:05 AM
Quote from: Title on October 30, 2009, 05:47:17 AM
Frankly, the DADT policy is fairly justified and doesn't really violate anyone's rights. You shouldn't need to openly express your homosexuality in the military, just like you shouldn't need to openly express your heterosexuality in the military. Neither have a place.


What about the military, as opposed to any other line of work or duty, makes this true? The police force doesn't have this (I'd google gay policemen to get numbers on this, but I'm scared).
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: rdl on October 30, 2009, 01:18:57 PM
Quote from: Title on October 30, 2009, 05:47:17 AM
Frankly, the DADT policy is fairly justified and doesn't really violate anyone's rights. You shouldn't need to openly express your homosexuality in the military, just like you shouldn't need to openly express your heterosexuality in the military. Neither have a place.
I feel bad for saying this, but I agree with you. DADT isn't oppressive or anything, in fact it protects the gays from homophobes in the army who'd beat them up or maybe kill them. And it prevents any feelings of uneasiness from arising. Cause if no one trusts the one gay guy, then there'd be problems, yes?

Also I don't see why saying that you like men over women would ever be something that needs to be said (in a military context)
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Daddy on October 30, 2009, 01:21:21 PM
Why is it okay to be openly heterosexual but not openly homosexual?


How many people have been discharged for having sex with women or discussing their heterosexuality?
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: rdl on October 30, 2009, 03:22:26 PM
It's not a matter of what's morally correct, it's a matter of whether or not your squad members will fuck up because they're terrified of mr.gay. If he had just not said anything about liking dudes, then there would've been no problem. Maybe in the future when gays are equal on the same level as blacks they could get rid of DADT, but not now.

anyway
Quote from: RDX on October 30, 2009, 01:18:57 PM
Also I don't see why saying that you like men over women would ever be something that needs to be said (in a military context)
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Daddy on October 30, 2009, 03:26:13 PM
It doesn't matter that "it would ever need to be said". Gays are automatically discharged for being open about their sexuality. If the law is strictly to protect them and is being protected by "you shouldn't be discussing your orientation in the military" then it should be applied to heterosexuals discussing their sexuality.

Why should gays be discriminated against and held to standards that the heterosexuals aren't just because of homophobia?
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: rdl on October 30, 2009, 03:27:56 PM
Quote from: RDX on October 30, 2009, 03:22:26 PM
It's not a matter of what's morally correct, it's a matter of whether or not your squad members will fuck up because they're terrified of mr.gay.


Quote from: RDX on October 30, 2009, 03:22:26 PMMaybe in the future when gays are equal on the same level as blacks they could get rid of DADT, but not now.
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: the shortest route to the sea on October 30, 2009, 03:33:06 PM
So, your point is that we should accept the status quo of inequality because it's more comfortable for those in the military?
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: rdl on October 30, 2009, 03:55:17 PM
My point is that we should accept the status quo of inequality because it's really not a big deal not being able to say that you're gay. What do you get out of it? (In a military context, of course).

Statement: I like men.

Pros
- You've exercised your right to freedom of speech
- You can be a little more open about yourself now that everyone knows.

Cons
- Some of your squad members are now scared of you or they want to beat you up.
- If your CO is homophobic he'll put you through hell
- Your squad members might not trust you
- There's a chance that since you being gay makes others self conscious, you might screw up an entire operation that otherwise could've been pulled off flawlessly.

Feel free to add to the list. I honestly can't think of any other pros.
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Daddy on October 30, 2009, 04:07:27 PM
Statement: I am a muslim

Pros
- You've exercised your right to freedom of religion
- You can be a little more open about yourself now that everyone knows.

Cons
- Some of your squad members are now scared of you or they want to beat you up.
- If your CO is islamophobic he'll put you through hell
- Your squad members might not trust you
- There's a chance that since you being gay makes others self conscious, you might screw up an entire operation that otherwise could've been pulled off flawlessly.



Being openly Muslim should be banned in the military.
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Hiro on October 30, 2009, 04:30:58 PM
I get what he's saying. It actually does make sense in the way that others could be affected by it. I don't think the military should ask, and you shouldn't have to tell, but they definitely should not kick you out due to your sexuality.
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: rdl on October 30, 2009, 04:34:47 PM
Quote from: JMV on October 30, 2009, 04:07:27 PM
Pros
- You've exercised your right to freedom of religion
- You can be a little more open about yourself now that everyone knows.

Cons
- Some of your squad members are now scared of you or they want to beat you up.
- If your CO is islamophobic he'll put you through hell
- Your squad members might not trust you
- There's a chance that since you being gay makes others self conscious, you might screw up an entire operation that otherwise could've been pulled off flawlessly.
Asshole akudood;

Anyway, I agree. Besides needing to pray, me being a muslim isn't really something they need to know. Hell, most people in my school don't even know I'm a muslim. It's hardly ever relevant for me to bring it up.

Also I could probably find statistics to show you that there are far more homophobes than islamophobes, but I don't want to find them.
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Daddy on October 30, 2009, 04:53:49 PM
Quote from: RDX on October 30, 2009, 04:34:47 PM
Asshole akudood;

Anyway, I agree. Besides needing to pray, me being a muslim isn't really something they need to know. Hell, most people in my school don't even know I'm a muslim. It's hardly ever relevant for me to bring it up.
Do you agree that if your being a muslim is put out into the public you should be discharged?


QuoteAlso I could probably find statistics to show you that there are far more homophobes than islamophobes, but I don't want to find them.
We're at war in several predominately muslim nations. I'm pretty sure most people in the military aren't going to be too welcoming of muslims, or even christian arabs (because lol all arabs are mooslims).  doodhuh;
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: the shortest route to the sea on October 31, 2009, 01:40:48 AM
Quote from: RDX on October 30, 2009, 03:55:17 PM
My point is that we should accept the status quo of inequality because it's really not a big deal not being able to say that you're gay. What do you get out of it? (In a military context, of course).

Statement: I like men.

Pros
- You've exercised your right to freedom of speech
- You can be a little more open about yourself now that everyone knows.

Cons
- Some of your squad members are now scared of you or they want to beat you up.
- If your CO is homophobic he'll put you through hell
- Your squad members might not trust you
- There's a chance that since you being gay makes others self conscious, you might screw up an entire operation that otherwise could've been pulled off flawlessly.

Feel free to add to the list. I honestly can't think of any other pros.


Ok, if this is what it boils down to, then I have an extreme problem with it. Having a right to honesty, self-expression, and openness about oneself is extremely important for queer people (and everybody, really). That's exactly the point of coming out; yeah the cons are that your family will/might disown you and you might get beaten up. Me being publicly open about my gender identity presents a real threat to my life, a pretty large one looking at the data.

Your list of pros and cons is practical and accurate, but you are missing how exactly vital the pros are to queer persons' living in society. In whatever society.
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: YPrrrr on October 31, 2009, 03:07:18 AM
Most military men I know say that they don't care about sexuality as long as they can fight. Then again I mostly know officers, so I can't vouch for the average private
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Norwegian Lesbians on October 31, 2009, 05:45:15 PM
You can be gay in the military.
You just can't commit acts of homosexuality.
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: Norwegian Lesbians on October 31, 2009, 05:46:09 PM
the officer corp dont do shit
the enlisted corp is who fights
Title: Re: Back in Japan.
Post by: YPrrrr on November 01, 2009, 02:24:21 AM
Quote from: Billy Idol on October 31, 2009, 05:46:09 PM
the officer corp dont do shit
the enlisted corp is who fights
I'm pretty sure there's a reason they're officers and it's not to do nothing. I dont know about other branches but i know in the army there are officers on the ground fighting