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Title: did you ever actually believe in heaven/hell
Post by: snorkel on October 22, 2009, 07:25:56 PM
if you still do then don't reply, your opinion isn't really worthwhile.

I remember thinking, even when I was small, that adults were just using an elaborate metaphor/fantasy similar to the easter bunny or santa to explain some concept which I could not yet understand. then of course as the intelligence of fresh youth alighted like dew on cattails upon me I gained a more realistic perspective.
Title: Re: did you ever actually believe in heaven/hell
Post by: Andria on October 22, 2009, 07:27:39 PM
I did when  I was young like maybe 5-10
Title: Re: did you ever actually believe in heaven/hell
Post by: just1more on October 22, 2009, 07:30:38 PM
Maybe when I was little. But I don't really anymore. I mean, it would be cool if there were, but I don't think they exist.
Title: Re: did you ever actually believe in heaven/hell
Post by: Socks on October 22, 2009, 07:31:02 PM
my family was never religious, besides church for weddings, death's etc... so i never really believed in it nor had a reason to even care about the issue (what normal child is consumed with possible death and possible judgment?), the church stuff was just something i did on occasion because my parents went, beyond that there was little thought or care
Title: Re: did you ever actually believe in heaven/hell
Post by: Hiro on October 22, 2009, 07:33:03 PM
I have this idea about death that I don't necessarily believe in: when you die, all your energy transfers into everything around you, and you become reincarnated through your spiritual energy eventually transferring to another conscious organism. It's kind of a cool idea, but still far-fetched lol
Title: Re: did you ever actually believe in heaven/hell
Post by: Socks on October 22, 2009, 07:37:11 PM
Quote from: Hïro on October 22, 2009, 07:33:03 PM
I have this idea about death that I don't necessarily believe in: when you die, all your energy transfers into everything around you, and you become reincarnated through your spiritual energy eventually transferring to another conscious organism. It's kind of a cool idea, but still far-fetched lol


lol what is state of mater and conservation of energy... anymore than that is fluff
Title: Re: did you ever actually believe in heaven/hell
Post by: Hiro on October 22, 2009, 07:42:07 PM
Quote from: Socks on October 22, 2009, 07:37:11 PM
lol what is state of mater and conservation of energy... anymore than that is fluff
how would that go against those laws?  baddood;

But yes obviously, it's just a silly idea I thought sounded neat.
Title: Re: did you ever actually believe in heaven/hell
Post by: Socks on October 22, 2009, 07:46:16 PM
Quote from: Hïro on October 22, 2009, 07:42:07 PM
how would that go against those laws?  baddood;


it does not, your "neat" idea is nothing more than a perversion of those laws with fluff  doodthing;
Title: Re: did you ever actually believe in heaven/hell
Post by: snorkel on October 22, 2009, 07:48:47 PM
Quote from: Hïro on October 22, 2009, 07:42:07 PM
how would that go against those laws?  baddood;

But yes obviously, it's just a silly idea I thought sounded neat.


he was saying that yes, obviously the energy keeping your body alive goes somewhere when you die, but it's not any different than the energy that leaves your car engine when you turn it off.

I really like the idea of perfect nothingness
Title: Re: did you ever actually believe in heaven/hell
Post by: Socks on October 22, 2009, 07:52:01 PM
Quote from: wziard on October 22, 2009, 07:48:47 PM
I really like the idea of perfect nothingness


so simple and elegant
Title: Re: did you ever actually believe in heaven/hell
Post by: Hiro on October 22, 2009, 07:52:31 PM
Quote from: Socks on October 22, 2009, 07:46:16 PM
it does not, your "neat" idea is nothing more than a perversion of those laws with fluff  doodthing;
I am aware of this

It's just a neat idea though.
Like your soul is just a part of energy that stays in your body your whole life and when you die that spirit energy is transported elsewhere
Just a silly idea is all
Title: Re: did you ever actually believe in heaven/hell
Post by: YPrrrr on October 22, 2009, 07:57:26 PM
Quote from: wziard on October 22, 2009, 07:48:47 PM
I really like the idea of perfect nothingness
Why, it's not like you'll experience it
Title: Re: did you ever actually believe in heaven/hell
Post by: Socks on October 22, 2009, 08:03:17 PM
Quote from: Hïro on October 22, 2009, 07:52:31 PM
Like your soul is just a part of energy that stays in your body your whole life and when you die that spirit energy is transported elsewhere


i don't see why you're trying to mystify this concept or give it special meaning (only with humans apparently hmmm) beyond a neutral and conscious-less physical law of nature
Title: Re: did you ever actually believe in heaven/hell
Post by: Hiro on October 22, 2009, 02:29:42 PM
Quote from: Socks on October 22, 2009, 08:03:17 PM
i don't see why you're trying to mystify this concept or give it special meaning (only with humans apparently hmmm) beyond a neutral and conscious-less physical law of nature
I'm not god damnit  baddood;
It's just a stupid meaningless thought I once had, that I found interesting.
Title: Re: did you ever actually believe in heaven/hell
Post by: Socks on October 22, 2009, 02:34:15 PM
but the way things work is already beautiful and very very interesting, as should all aspects of existence be
Title: Re: did you ever actually believe in heaven/hell
Post by: Boogus Epirus Aurelius on October 22, 2009, 02:34:39 PM
I dont know.
Regardless of religion, there's still a really spiritual, supernatural aspect to death.
I'd like to think there's some kind of blissful realization, even if it is just floating around in nonexistence.
Title: Re: did you ever actually believe in heaven/hell
Post by: Mando Pandango on October 22, 2009, 02:42:07 PM
Why isn't this in serious business?

Regardless, I believe in God. I'm not so sure about Heaven and Hell.
Title: Re: did you ever actually believe in heaven/hell
Post by: Socks on October 22, 2009, 02:47:17 PM
I imagine death is similar to sleep (in terms of experience), without dreams or a wake up. You can never predict, induce, or recall the exact moment when you fell asleep, normally speaking. A loss of consciousness and that's it, no awareness, no internal dialogue, no post reflection, nothing, simply nothing.

Kant famously challenged us to imagine a state where nothing exists, and the human mind cannot do that in any meaningful way. I feel it is a different side of the same coin, we're just not programed as creatures to accept such a reality.
Title: Re: did you ever actually believe in heaven/hell
Post by: Skylark on October 23, 2009, 12:30:18 AM
just be

my family isn't religious.
Title: Re: did you ever actually believe in heaven/hell
Post by: Wrench on October 23, 2009, 12:41:09 AM
Yeah, it was kinda force fed into me until around the time I turned 14. Then I was like "religion sucks lol"
Title: Re: did you ever actually believe in heaven/hell
Post by: Nyerp on October 23, 2009, 05:53:21 AM
heaven, yes (at least the mormon version of it, with the three levels)

not sure about hell
Title: Re: did you ever actually believe in heaven/hell
Post by: ?????? on October 23, 2009, 06:23:20 AM
i always thought hell was a symbolized version of your self stuck in depression and self loathing
Title: Re: did you ever actually believe in heaven/hell
Post by: mouse parade on October 24, 2009, 01:29:38 AM
Not really.
Title: Re: did you ever actually believe in heaven/hell
Post by: Josh on October 24, 2009, 01:37:49 AM
I did at one point, which was specifically a year or two ago. I don't really believe in anything, but I don't know enough to throw the possibility of something being there out the window.

Agnosticism ftw  n_u
Title: Re: did you ever actually believe in heaven/hell
Post by: Lotos on October 24, 2009, 09:37:06 AM
I'm hoping for some sort of reincarnation.  That would be fun.