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Title: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: NOA_Haunted on July 30, 2009, 10:56:39 AM
Post your thoughts in here. I'll be updating my response in a few hours.
Title: Re: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: [REDACTED] on July 30, 2009, 03:42:29 PM
Obama asks moms to return to school.
Title: Re: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: sans culottes on July 30, 2009, 04:25:11 PM
It's still a little early for me to judge.

I think he's doing a wonderful job with foreign policy, though. He's mending crippled relations with the rest of the world. Domesticly, we haven't seen too much action yet. I'm kind of indifferent on his economic policies.
Title: Re: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: rdl on July 30, 2009, 04:42:48 PM
It's too early to judge.
Title: Re: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: YPrrrr on July 31, 2009, 12:36:22 AM
I think I need more time to have any strong opinion about him... I don't see why people are freaking out about the socialism thing so much though... The president that got elected the most times in our history was also pretty much the closest to a socialist.
Title: Re: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: Liquid on July 31, 2009, 03:13:43 PM
Well, I feel he is alot better as president than Bush, but, I do not feel he will be able to help America with it's biggest problems, nor do I think anyone can.

As an anarchist, I don't believe this country can be saved. I feel each president made a mark on history, and most of them weren't good marks. Bush fucked up bad, and I don't think his mark is erasable, unless, anarchy becomes involved.

[spoiler]Also, please don't flame be for being an anarchist, I don't flame you for being whatever you are. [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: Feynman on July 31, 2009, 09:16:44 PM
Quote from: Liquid on July 31, 2009, 03:13:43 PM
Well, I feel he is alot better as president than Bush, but, I do not feel he will be able to help America with it's biggest problems, nor do I think anyone can.

As an anarchist, I don't believe this country can be saved. I feel each president made a mark on history, and most of them weren't good marks. Bush fucked up bad, and I don't think his mark is erasable, unless, anarchy becomes involved.

[spoiler]Also, please don't flame be for being an anarchist, I don't flame you for being whatever you are. [/spoiler]


How do you propose we fix said problems, Mr. Concerned Anarchist Sir? akudood;
Title: Re: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: Liquid on August 01, 2009, 10:03:26 AM
Quote from: Bassir on July 31, 2009, 09:16:44 PM
How do you propose we fix said problems, Mr. Concerned Anarchist Sir? akudood;


Well, I don't want to get too into things, but, along with troops leaving Iraq, I feel it would help alot if NAFTA was abolished, as it had alot of negative effects.

But as for rebuilding economy, I really have no idea how to do it. One thing that bothers me, is that it seems like the only reason they are truly in Iraq, is simply to destroy it, so America can profit from its reconstruction. I have a feeling, that not long after America comes out of Iraq, the economy may get worse, and they may sadly invade another country.

As I said, I really have no idea how America can rebuild its economy without having some major political change.
Title: Re: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: Feynman on August 01, 2009, 11:18:29 AM
Quote from: Liquid on August 01, 2009, 10:03:26 AM
Well, I don't want to get too into things, but, along with troops leaving Iraq, I feel it would help alot if NAFTA was abolished, as it had alot of negative effects.

But as for rebuilding economy, I really have no idea how to do it. One thing that bothers me, is that it seems like the only reason they are truly in Iraq, is simply to destroy it, so America can profit from its reconstruction. I have a feeling, that not long after America comes out of Iraq, the economy may get worse, and they may sadly invade another country.

As I said, I really have no idea how America can rebuild its economy without having some major political change.


Yeah, the United States economy is strictly based off profiting from rebuilding countries we've spent billions invading.

akudood;
Title: Re: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: Liquid on August 01, 2009, 11:48:29 AM
Quote from: Bassir on August 01, 2009, 11:18:29 AM
Yeah, the United States economy is strictly based off profiting from rebuilding countries we've spent billions invading.

akudood;



Well, that isnt the only problem I feel America has, its just one of the major ones.

I could spend tons of time talking about what I feel are America's problems, but frankly I don't have the time.
Title: Re: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: Houdini on August 02, 2009, 01:45:28 AM
Quote from: wziard on July 30, 2009, 08:54:30 PM
Don't like him at all so far. He's passed numerous pieces of horrendous legislation (Family Smoking Act)
I would like to know exactly how the smoking act is horrendous.
Title: Re: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: Feynman on August 02, 2009, 06:48:05 AM
Quote from: Houdini on August 02, 2009, 01:45:28 AM
I would like to know exactly how the smoking act is horrendous.


It's unconstitutional. akudood;
Title: Re: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: Zach on August 02, 2009, 10:47:02 AM
Quote from: Houdini on August 02, 2009, 01:45:28 AM
I would like to know exactly how the smoking act is horrendous.


It's a big fucking waste of money.
Title: Re: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: Daddy on August 02, 2009, 10:52:27 AM
Quote from: Zach on August 02, 2009, 10:47:02 AM
It's a big fucking waste of money.
The only thing I find wrong with it is its stance on flavored cigarettes.

Making sure cigarette makers are more clear about their warnings? Putting what goes into cigarettes under FDA control? Stopping illicit marketing towards children?

How are those a waste of money?
Title: Re: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: Zach on August 02, 2009, 11:01:17 AM
Quote from: Prowling Kewn on August 02, 2009, 10:52:27 AM
The only thing I find wrong with it is its stance on flavored cigarettes.

Making sure cigarette makers are more clear about their warnings? Putting what goes into cigarettes under FDA control? Stopping illicit marketing towards children?

How are those a waste of money?


Because everyone who can read is aware of the dangers of cigarettes:

[spoiler](http://vis.berkeley.edu/courses/cs294-10-fa08/wiki/images/2/29/SmokingUS.jpg)[/spoiler]

How can you misunderstand what that means?
Title: Re: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: Daddy on August 02, 2009, 11:02:29 AM
Because it's really small and it doesn't cost the government any more (probably would bring in some via fines) to just say "put bigger warnings"

And you ignored the rest. baddood;
Title: Re: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: Det in F♯ Major on August 02, 2009, 11:06:17 AM
Quote from: Zach on August 02, 2009, 11:01:17 AM
Because everyone who can read is aware of the dangers of cigarettes:

[spoiler](http://vis.berkeley.edu/courses/cs294-10-fa08/wiki/images/2/29/SmokingUS.jpg)[/spoiler]

How can you misunderstand what that means?


not to mention people who want to smoke... are going to do so. they won't be scared out of their addiction so easily.
Title: Re: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: Zach on August 02, 2009, 11:25:16 AM
QuotePutting what goes into cigarettes under FDA control?


So this wasn't regulated at any level before?

QuoteStopping illicit marketing towards children?


For all the talk about how much tobacco companies target children in their advertising, I've never really noticed it. Maybe it's more prevalent up north, but down here it's not a huge deal. Maybe it's because I don't live in a major city.
Title: Re: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: Zach on August 02, 2009, 11:26:01 AM
Quote from: Det in Fââ,,¢Â¯ Major on August 02, 2009, 11:06:17 AM
not to mention people who want to smoke... are going to do so. they won't be scared out of their addiction so easily.


This is true as well. People who smoke are aware of the dangers. They aren't going to stop regardless of the health dangers - they've proven that time and time again.
Title: Re: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: ME## on August 02, 2009, 11:28:20 AM
Quote from: Prowling Kewn on August 02, 2009, 11:02:29 AM
Because it's really small and it doesn't cost the government any more (probably would bring in some via fines) to just say "put bigger warnings"

And you ignored the rest. baddood;


Why don't we just go the Australian route?  baddood;

[spoiler](http://images.teamsugar.com/files/users/1/12981/24_2007/cigarette.jpg)[/spoiler]

Brazilian ones are more graphic, but I couldn't look at them so lol.
Title: Re: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: Daddy on August 02, 2009, 11:33:05 AM
Quote from: Zach on August 02, 2009, 11:25:16 AM
So this wasn't regulated at any level before?
No.

Quote
For all the talk about how much tobacco companies target children in their advertising, I've never really noticed it. Maybe it's more prevalent up north, but down here it's not a huge deal. Maybe it's because I don't live in a major city.
Uh, they advertise everywhere.  Candy flavored cigarettes? Joe Camel? Using Flintstones characters to advertise?

It might not be as prevalent as it was before, but they still go after children.
Quote from: Zach on August 02, 2009, 11:26:01 AM
This is true as well. People who smoke are aware of the dangers. They aren't going to stop regardless of the health dangers - they've proven that time and time again.
And what about people who don't smoke yet?

And regardless, putting additives under FDA control isn't a bad thing and I don't get how anyone can try to spin it as such.
Title: Re: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: sans culottes on August 02, 2009, 01:09:01 PM
Quote from: YPR on July 31, 2009, 12:36:22 AM
I think I need more time to have any strong opinion about him... I don't see why people are freaking out about the socialism thing so much though... The president that got elected the most times in our history was also pretty much the closest to a socialist.

This kid I know told me that Barack Obama is a communist. Needless to say my face hit the nearest wall in disappointment.

Hey guys, how many bills which change redistribution of wealth has Barack Obama passed so far? How much has the healthcare system changed so far?
Title: Re: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: l a c e y on August 02, 2009, 07:50:51 PM
I think he's a fine man. I kinda wish that he was the leader of Canada. We really have shitty people running this country. I think it is to early to judge how he is doing. I also cannot say much because I do not live in America so I don't know too too much about how that country should be ran. But people seem content with him. Plus he's decently goodlooking for an old guy.
Title: Re: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: Oh on August 15, 2009, 07:51:41 PM
 Pretty upset really, mainly for the gay rights and cannabis. There is no real reason to ban either. The US wastes more money on the police force and keeping people on jail then they should. "Oh hey, we're throwing you in jail for smoking pot and ruining your life so you can't ruin yours by smoking harmless pot"  akudood;
Title: Re: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: Zach on August 15, 2009, 11:20:09 PM
Quote from: coz on August 02, 2009, 01:09:01 PM
Hey guys, how many bills which change redistribution of wealth has Barack Obama passed so far? How much has the healthcare system changed so far?


Oh, he's trying. n_u
Title: Re: Your thoughts of Barack Obama.
Post by: Skylark on August 16, 2009, 09:05:07 PM
Quote from: Rawl on August 15, 2009, 07:51:41 PM
Pretty upset really, mainly for the gay rights and cannabis. There is no real reason to ban either. The US wastes more money on the police force and keeping people on jail then they should. "Oh hey, we're throwing you in jail for smoking pot and ruining your life so you can't ruin yours by smoking harmless pot"  akudood;


this
while I don't think I would directly benefit from the legalization of cannabis the drug prohibition is unconstitutional.