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Title: Death and Dying
Post by: Terran SCV on December 11, 2008, 08:25:24 PM
Sometimes I lie awake at night. The darkness just seems to get to me, because all of a sudden I say to myself, "My life is only temporary. I'm going to be breathing and doing all the things a living being carries out until all of a sudden - bam." Everything is black. It's all quiet. I can't hear anyone. No-one can hear me. I cannot feel, think, nor can I act like an idiot; basically, everything is pitch-black.

Sometimes at night, right before I fall asleep, I wonder about how I fall asleep. Do I just close my eyes and all of a sudden my brain says, "Party time is over. Get to bed" and get me to sleep? Or is it more complex...
And then I just have to have my gifted little brain say, "is this like dying? On my deathbed, will I just slowly falter towards my everlasting sleep? One point in my life will I be able to see all around me, and then the next I can't do anything?"

Then I panic, and I have to play TF2 or watch Youtube Poop to calm myself down.

Pathetic, yes. But the human brain is an intriguing organ...
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: me003 on December 12, 2008, 04:13:20 AM
Yea that's pretty much how I see it.
Once you're dead that's it. You rot, decay and eventually get eaten by various bacteria and whatnot and then become part of the earth.
You will be remembered in your generation and that's about it, unless you're bigger than the average joe. Then time passes and no one remembers you, or your family.

So that's why not much matters to me. I could kill someone, and if they're a nobody no one will remember in a couple generations. I could be that guy who had a gay orgy and devoured shit and woke up in the hospital feeling dirty. No one will ever be more than a name, and at most a statue with a name.

So live life with no regrets, and be open to things you've never tried because it ultimately won't hurt you.
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: j o e i n c on December 12, 2008, 06:02:17 AM
I dont try to think of those things

live life and you'll end up knowing in the end anyway


Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: YPrrrr on December 12, 2008, 10:58:57 AM
I don't worry about it much

I only worry that I'd die before I accomplished some goals I have
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Selkie on December 12, 2008, 11:30:33 AM
Honestly, I think of lots of things while in bed at night, but death rarely ever comes up.

Really, there is so much other crap to think about in life, in my life at this very moment, that it is virtually senseless to get worked up about dying. I just stay positive and assume that I will not die for a while, and before that day comes there will be many many things that are thrown my way. Those things are the things that occupy my mind. Not the end of the road, but the things on the road.

Also, I am not even positive death will be all that bad. Can anyone really know it's just eternal nothingness? For all we know it can be whatever we believe it to be. I am going to just assume that it is a distant thing and not so bad either.
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: superclucky on December 12, 2008, 12:03:25 PM
Oh Selkikens, we must be the same person. <3

Also I wouldn't really care if I died or not, except for the people that I'm going to hurt if I did anyways. (There's 6 people that would commit suicide if I died, because I'm all they have left, wth.)

I already accepted that I'll be forgotten unless I hit it big and did something, therefore I will do good things to people so they can remember me for their life until they die. After that..then I would totally be forgotten.
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Det in F♯ Major on December 12, 2008, 12:20:20 PM
Quote from: Methree on December 12, 2008, 04:13:20 AM
You will be remembered in your generation and that's about it, unless you're bigger than the average joe. Then time passes and no one remembers you, or your family.


SHUT THE FUCK UP, AAAAAAAAA. :'(
I don't ever want to be forgotten. Ever. And as long as I can help it, I won't be.  baddood;


Also don't even get me started on how much I fear death. ^_________^
I have the weirdest death-related thoughts anyone can contain. So many theories.... so many... solutions... O_0
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Daddy on December 12, 2008, 12:27:47 PM
I don't care anymore.  bassir;
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: musica.cards on December 12, 2008, 06:06:05 PM
It doesn't really matter. Thoughts about death lead to the conclusion of nothingness every single time.
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Selkie on December 12, 2008, 08:06:08 PM
Quote from: Draco Malfoy on December 12, 2008, 12:20:20 PM
SHUT THE FUCK UP, AAAAAAAAA. :'(
I don't ever want to be forgotten. Ever. And as long as I can help it, I won't be.  baddood;


Also don't even get me started on how much I fear death. ^_________^
I have the weirdest death-related thoughts anyone can contain. So many theories.... so many... solutions... O_0


What's the satisfaction in everyone remembering you?

They are eventually all going to die anyway. Time destroys everything.

Why not be a bit more humble and simply live for yourself.
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: strongbad on December 12, 2008, 09:42:20 PM
I don't really give a shit about being remembered or anything.
I just want to live my life and enjoy living it.
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: [REDACTED] on December 12, 2008, 10:21:02 PM
I think of death as the upcoming chapter. Everyone makes it out to be a negative experience, but it could be fun and grand.
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: musica.cards on December 12, 2008, 10:34:41 PM
Quote from: Ethereal on December 12, 2008, 10:21:02 PM
I think of death as the upcoming chapter. Everyone makes it out to be a negative experience, but it could be fun and grand.

if you die, you're dead, which means you lose your thoughts and feelings (on this earth). Dying, although possibly painful, may make you happy because you are watching your life flash before you (which may or may not be good).
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Thyme on December 13, 2008, 07:51:13 AM
Sooooooo... I'm the only here who believes in an afterlife of any sort? O_0
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Daddy on December 13, 2008, 08:39:55 AM
Quote from: Thyme on December 13, 2008, 07:51:13 AM
Sooooooo... I'm the only here who believes in an afterlife of any sort? O_0
No, there's plenty of Christians,  baddood;
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Thyme on December 13, 2008, 08:45:29 AM
Quote from: Angry Kewn Fruit on December 13, 2008, 08:39:55 AM
No, there's plenty of Christians,  baddood;


But I'm an antitheist antireligious guy who believes in the afterlife. hocuspocus;
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Daddy on December 13, 2008, 08:55:21 AM
Quote from: Thyme on December 13, 2008, 08:45:29 AM
But I'm an antitheist who believes in the afterlife. hocuspocus;
How is that possible? goonish
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Thyme on December 13, 2008, 08:58:01 AM
Quote from: Angry Kewn Fruit on December 13, 2008, 08:55:21 AM
How is that possible? goonish


Why wouldn't it be? It's not like the concepts of a life after death and the worship of a deity are necessarily connected.
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: superclucky on December 13, 2008, 09:18:32 AM
Quote from: Angry Kewn Fruit on December 13, 2008, 08:55:21 AM
How is that possible? goonish
recarnation y/n
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Daddy on December 13, 2008, 09:31:18 AM
Quote from: Det's Placenta on December 13, 2008, 09:18:32 AM
recarnation y/n
pantheism y.n
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: superclucky on December 13, 2008, 09:40:18 AM
Quote from: Angry Kewn Fruit on December 13, 2008, 09:31:18 AM
pantheism y.n
your kewn fur is god
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Daddy on December 13, 2008, 09:45:35 AM
Quote from: Det's Placenta on December 13, 2008, 09:40:18 AM
your kewn fur is god
our kewn who art is smelly
sirry be thy type
thy kewndom come
thy will be done
wif babis as it is in kewntopolis
gif us this kewn this daily kewn
and forgif us our bites
as we forgif those who bite against us
for thine is the kewndom the sirry, and the smells forever and ever kewmen[;



And on subject; Thyme, if you believe humans hve an afterlife, what about animals?
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Thyme on December 13, 2008, 10:03:22 AM
Quote from: Angry Kewn Fruit on December 13, 2008, 09:45:35 AM
And on subject; Thyme, if you believe humans hve an afterlife, what about animals?


No, you silly kewns don't have those rights. hocuspocus;

I dunno. I don't believe in any particular kind of afterlife, I just believe in its possibility. It could be pretty much anything that's... well, after life. Including animals or not is getting too much into specifics.
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Terran SCV on December 13, 2008, 10:33:09 AM
Quote from: Thyme on December 13, 2008, 10:03:22 AM
I dunno. I don't believe in any particular kind of afterlife, I just believe in its possibility. It could be pretty much anything that's... well, after life. Including animals or not is getting too much into specifics.

True. You never know. You never know (unless you've died and was reincarnated somehow)
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: musica.cards on December 13, 2008, 11:05:41 AM
Quote from: Thyme on December 13, 2008, 07:51:13 AM
Sooooooo... I'm the only here who believes in an afterlife of any sort? O_0

Does it matter? If I die, I am no longer the person I was (this time around?).
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Thyme on December 13, 2008, 11:10:48 AM
Quote from: some_person on December 13, 2008, 11:05:41 AM
Does it matter? If I die, I am no longer the person I was (this time around?).


I was just asking if other people believed in some form of it. befuddlement
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: musica.cards on December 13, 2008, 11:11:43 AM
Quote from: Thyme on December 13, 2008, 11:10:48 AM
I was just asking if other people believed in some form of it. befuddlement

And I was just telling you my stance on it.
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: YPrrrr on December 13, 2008, 11:21:46 AM
Quote from: Angry Kewn Fruit on December 13, 2008, 08:39:55 AM
No, there's plenty of Christians,  baddood;
Me and what army?
Quote from: Thyme on December 13, 2008, 07:51:13 AM
Sooooooo... I'm the only here who believes in an afterlife of any sort? O_0
No, that's why I said I'm not worried about death
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Thyme on December 13, 2008, 11:42:13 AM
Quote from: some_person on December 13, 2008, 11:11:43 AM
And I was just telling you my stance on it.


I realise your main point is that it doesn't matter. I agree, you're right, it doesn't. Some people still like to think about it for kicks. We all do things that don't really matter once in a while. When I think about it, I don't come to a conclusion of nothingness; I don't come to any conclusion at all. I just get a tingly feeling that I enjoy somewhat. hocuspocus;
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: musica.cards on December 13, 2008, 11:44:33 AM
Quote from: Thyme on December 13, 2008, 11:42:13 AM
I realise your main point is that it doesn't matter. I agree, you're right, it doesn't. Some people still like to think about it for kicks. We all do things that don't really matter once in a while. When I think about it, I don't come to a conclusion of nothingness; I don't come to any conclusion at all. I just get a tingly feeling that I enjoy somewhat. hocuspocus;

Cool, but I still think about to. That point was made to people who don't like the idea of dying.
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Det in F♯ Major on December 13, 2008, 03:34:37 PM
Quote from: YPR on December 13, 2008, 11:21:46 AM
Me and what army?No, that's why I said I'm not worried about death


I'm only worried about how it's going to happen and what kind of pain I'm going to be in.  >.<
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: l a c e y on December 13, 2008, 06:20:20 PM
i'm scared of dying in a car accident..
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: me003 on December 14, 2008, 03:25:18 AM
Maybe we become a star.  giggle;
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Terran SCV on December 14, 2008, 07:13:43 AM
Quote from: Methree on December 14, 2008, 03:25:18 AM
Maybe we become soil.  bassir;

Fixed?
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Dullahan on December 15, 2008, 04:04:41 PM
I usually don't think about it and live everyday of my life to the fullest.
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Lozal on December 31, 2008, 04:02:15 PM
It's a somewhat depressing topic for me. I sit in bed at night and just think. What's the point of accomplishing my hopes and dreams if no one's going to remember them? Sometimes I just think of us as a bunch of insects, but with feelings. That's essentially what we are. I don't believe in an afterlife or a God, so really, I'm just accomplishing what I want to for my own satisfaction. I know that I'm going to die, be forgotten, and rapidly decompose. It really depends on how I'm feeling; sometimes it'll really bother me and sometimes it won't.

My outlook on this is really similar to the one held by LaVeyan Satanists; I live for myself and attempt to reach happiness on Earth because there isn't an afterlife to enjoy.

Hopefully I'll die with a sense of achieving my goals.
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Pancake Paraphernalia on January 01, 2009, 10:38:08 PM
I used to. I sometimes lie awake and think of the things I fear and then sometimes I'll get so scared I'll cry myself to sleep. But not as much anymore. I don't often think too much about it unless it comes up. I don't want to waste my time thinking of something that I know is certain. And I don't want to be buried either. I just want my body to lie above ground and undisturbed until my brain rots, then people can do whatever to it, it's not like I can feel it.
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Zach on January 03, 2009, 04:51:21 PM
A fear of death is what has left me in a state of derealization (everything appears unreal) for the past six months, and it's terrible having to live with it. My mind doesn't want to admit that it will someday cease to exist, so it does everything in its power to keep me from believing that this world is real and that I'll one day have to face death.

Everything looks like it's fake, I'm not sure if other people or anything else really exist, it seems like I don't have a physical body, and my senses, such as smell, taste, and feel, have diminished to a point of near non-existence.

I've tried to turn to religion, but my mind doesn't like that, either. The ego is controlling the entity, and it seems like it doesn't want to admit that there might be something out there greater than itself.

Ugh.
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Selkie on January 03, 2009, 09:34:51 PM
I don't see how anyone can focus so much on death.

In a world like this, I would think that death is the least of most people's problems...

Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: musica.cards on January 03, 2009, 09:40:58 PM
Quote from: Selkie224 on January 03, 2009, 09:34:51 PM
I don't see how anyone can focus so much on death.

In a world like this, I would think that death is the least of most people's problems...



Can't think when you're dead baddood;
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: russell on January 04, 2009, 10:36:16 AM
I have intensely mystical and irregular ideas about death and transcendence, and I regard the possibility of dying the same as most things (being for the most part apathetic). It's fairly clear to me that consciousness and reality extends far beyond our self-enforced material bounds, and I kind of anticipate experiencing something new.
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Hippopo on January 04, 2009, 07:25:06 PM
Quote from: Zach on January 03, 2009, 04:51:21 PM
A fear of death is what has left me in a state of derealization (everything appears unreal) for the past six months, and it's terrible having to live with it. My mind doesn't want to admit that it will someday cease to exist, so it does everything in its power to keep me from believing that this world is real and that I'll one day have to face death.

Everything looks like it's fake, I'm not sure if other people or anything else really exist, it seems like I don't have a physical body, and my senses, such as smell, taste, and feel, have diminished to a point of near non-existence.

I've tried to turn to religion, but my mind doesn't like that, either. The ego is controlling the entity, and it seems like it doesn't want to admit that there might be something out there greater than itself.

Ugh.
lol Descartes.  goowan

But seriously, read his meditations.  He felt the same way.

ANYWHO!

I'm not really afraid of dying...  Nonexistence really isn't that bad, folks.  We all went through it before our births, and I don't hear anyone complaining about how horrible it was then. :P
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Slim on January 05, 2009, 10:08:51 PM
Quote from: Hippo on January 04, 2009, 07:25:06 PMNonexistence really isn't that bad, folks.  We all went through it before our births, and I don't hear anyone complaining about how horrible it was then. :P


The process of transitioning from existence to nonexistence seems a bit less than pleasant though--wouldn't you say?
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Hippopo on January 07, 2009, 11:30:36 AM
Quote from: Slim on January 05, 2009, 10:08:51 PM
The process of transitioning from existence to nonexistence seems a bit less than pleasant though--wouldn't you say?
In some cases I guess it is unpleasant.  However, it is not the same for everyone.  You hear of people "dying peacefully" all the time.
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: ncba93ivyase on January 07, 2009, 12:51:29 PM
Quote from: Hippo on January 07, 2009, 11:30:36 AM
In some cases I guess it is unpleasant.  However, it is not the same for everyone.  You hear of people "dying peacefully" all the time.
But you don't know if that person actually died peacefully because no one can tell you what they did after death.

You only have the tales of those that witnessed it.
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Hippopo on January 07, 2009, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: Lawlz on January 07, 2009, 12:51:29 PM
But you don't know if that person actually died peacefully because no one can tell you what they did after death.

You only have the tales of those that witnessed it.
But that's after death.

There's a difference between being dead and dying.  I'm saying that death is neutral.  It's neither good nor bad.  Dying, on the other hand, could be either.  When someone dies peacefully, they're still alive.  They can tell you whether they're in pain or not.  So not all "transitions" are unpleasant.
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: :atomsk: on January 08, 2009, 06:00:14 AM
Quote from: Hippo on January 07, 2009, 01:45:43 PM
But that's after death.

There's a difference between being dead and dying.  I'm saying that death is neutral.  It's neither good nor bad.  Dying, on the other hand, could be either.  When someone dies peacefully, they're still alive.  They can tell you whether they're in pain or not.  So not all "transitions" are unpleasant.

Yes, well said.
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: 6M69I69B9 on January 09, 2009, 06:38:23 PM
   Hmm. I don't have too much of a reason to live now, but I'm willing to live on to see if that can truly happen, if I can have a better life. Whenever I go to sleep, I just think "Will it be better, tomorrow?" instead of that of what you just stated. But there was a time and still a time where I just used to be like that and be forgotten, nobody cared for me, nobody on my side. But, as I lived on, I do seem to be happier looking at life in the future than bringing up. Last year I used to be a bit suicidal and I'd cry a lot everywhere mainly in school. When I think about the people I want to be friends with and such, I leave those moments of depression and death, into having a motivated desire to live. Rotting in the ground in a coffin or having my body cremated doesn't matter, or even dying. Because I do think that there is a loving God and an afterlife that I will dwell in, whether it's Hell, Heaven, or Purgatory. I don't do this for myself to feel as if I have existance, but the reason to just enjoy life more, and I don't think I've committed too many sins, for I can confess them for forgiveness.

I'd suggest myself to think about the future more, not about the possible fact that you may die any day. But what has everybody stated, living your life to the fullest until you die.

My post may have been 'cheesy', but what the Hell? It's what I really do think.
 
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: :atomsk: on January 09, 2009, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: Original_MIB on January 09, 2009, 06:38:23 PM
   Hmm. I don't have too much of a reason to live now, but I'm willing to live on to see if that can truly happen, if I can have a better life. Whenever I go to sleep, I just think "Will it be better, tomorrow?" instead of that of what you just stated. But there was a time and still a time where I just used to be like that and be forgotten, nobody cared for me, nobody on my side. But, as I lived on, I do seem to be happier looking at life in the future than bringing up. Last year I used to be a bit suicidal and I'd cry a lot everywhere mainly in school. When I think about the people I want to be friends with and such, I leave those moments of depression and death, into having a motivated desire to live. Rotting in the ground in a coffin or having my body cremated doesn't matter, or even dying. Because I do think that there is a loving God and an afterlife that I will dwell in, whether it's Hell, Heaven, or Purgatory. I don't do this for myself to feel as if I have existance, but the reason to just enjoy life more, and I don't think I've committed too many sins, for I can confess them for forgiveness.

I'd suggest myself to think about the future more, not about the possible fact that you may die any day. But what has everybody stated, living your life to the fullest until you die.

My post may have been 'cheesy', but what the Hell? It's what I really do think.
 

That's a really great mindset. I wish more people thought like that and had  more positive attitudes. It's true, you can't waste your life crying. Thanks for sharing what's on your mind.
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: 6M69I69B9 on January 10, 2009, 12:41:51 PM
Quote from: :atomsk: on January 09, 2009, 09:45:07 PM
That's a really great mindset. I wish more people thought like that and had  more positive attitudes. It's true, you can't waste your life crying. Thanks for sharing what's on your mind.
You're welcome.
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: l a c e y on January 19, 2009, 07:54:35 AM
i want to die in the most dramatic way possible, so people will remember it.
Title: Re: Death and Dying
Post by: Houdini on January 19, 2009, 08:17:14 AM
Quote from: l a c e y on January 19, 2009, 07:54:35 AM
i want to die in the most dramatic way possible, so people will remember it.
That's what the guy who shot John Lennon thought, too.