Poll
Question:
Should it be legal?
Option 1: yes
votes: 6
Option 2: no
votes: 0
Option 3: yes, under circumstances
votes: 17
I fully support it as long there are certain circumstances. I believe that life is indeed precious, but we should control our own life and bodies. Just imagine that 88 year old suffering from being lonely(spouse died) and having pains every night. You can't force them to duke it out and be miserable. When they believe it is their time to go, it should be the time to go. I am only against it if someone is very young and has very minimal problems.
Anyways, what are your thoughts?
100%
what if they were mentally unstabled and purposely got theirselves in the hospital
I just reread your first post and I agree too.
Yes, if they get an option from a few doctors that it is terminal, and evaluation from several psychologists showing that they are mentally capable of making the decision.
Yes, under certain circumstances.
I don't think they should allow it just because they're lonely and depressed.
...What happened to people just attempting any kind of suicide?
Quote from: Detonator on November 21, 2008, 05:03:19 PM
...What happened to people just attempting any kind of suicide?
Uhh prevention methods? idk, lol.
I agree with it. I think it's your choice if you live or die.
lol isn't it against the bible?
Quote from: Taking a coffee break... on November 22, 2008, 06:15:59 PM
lol isn't it against the bible?
Yes, because the United States and its medical procedures are completely dictated by a book of one single religion. doodthing;
Quote from: Kazmopolitan on November 22, 2008, 11:08:35 PM
Yes, because the United States and its medical procedures are completely dictated by a book of one single religion. doodthing;
Don't forget the people. They might find this legalization wrong.
Let's look at abortion as an example. Some people are with it and some people aren't. Some people straight up want it to be illegal because of their religion and whatnot. So they protest. Why would they protest if they believe it wouldn't work? Some of them have seen things like these turn out nicely, and sometimes it just doesn't work. This discussion has been long and strong to this day.
Or... look at it like this. You find a sandwich on the ground. The ground is so clean, you wouldn't mind eating the sandwich. It has everything you like inside that sandwich. But you want to make sure you pick up that sandwich right so that you can eat it. If you don't pick it up right, the person behind you will pick it up and eat and you'll be disappointed. But the absolute
worst thing that could happen is to trip over the sandwich. Not only do you get hurt, the sandwich is dirty and you probably shouldn't eat it. But let's say you go ahead and eat it anyway and get ill. Compare that to what we talk about. If we legalize "assisted suicide" then we have to treat this law right. Make sure that everything goes right with it. People will not agree with it, deal with it. But you don't want to trip over the sandwich.
Try thinking of that with every problem you have in your life.
Quote from: Taking a coffee break... on November 24, 2008, 06:41:27 AM
Don't forget the people. They might find this legalization wrong.
Let's look at abortion as an example. Some people are with it and some people aren't. Some people straight up want it to be illegal because of their religion and whatnot. So they protest. Why would they protest if they believe it wouldn't work? Some of them have seen things like these turn out nicely, and sometimes it just doesn't work. This discussion has been long and strong to this day.
Or... look at it like this. You find a sandwich on the ground. The ground is so clean, you wouldn't mind eating the sandwich. It has everything you like inside that sandwich. But you want to make sure you pick up that sandwich right so that you can eat it. If you don't pick it up right, the person behind you will pick it up and eat and you'll be disappointed. But the absolute worst thing that could happen is to trip over the sandwich. Not only do you get hurt, the sandwich is dirty and you probably shouldn't eat it. But let's say you go ahead and eat it anyway and get ill. Compare that to what we talk about. If we legalize "assisted suicide" then we have to treat this law right. Make sure that everything goes right with it. People will not agree with it, deal with it. But you don't want to trip over the sandwich.
Try thinking of that with every problem you have in your life.
but you just blatantly said that is was against the bible
Quote from: Ezlo on November 24, 2008, 02:07:28 PM
but you just blatantly said that is was against the bible
and that's exactly what's gonna trip over the sandwich
I really don't know. I guess if someone wants to die they can do it themselves. Then it would be suicide. But to have help? I just can't help thinking that is murder. Just because the person asks you to do it doesn't make it right.
But I hate the suffering that goes with some diseases. psyduck; I just don't know.
Quote from: Clair on November 25, 2008, 10:48:31 AM
I really don't know. I guess if someone wants to die they can do it themselves. Then it would be suicide. But to have help? I just can't help thinking that is murder. Just because the person asks you to do it doesn't make it right.
But I hate the suffering that goes with some diseases. psyduck; I just don't know.
It's done in a medical environment with the help of drugs and such.
I'd rather have that than people botch a suicide attempt and end up surviving after blowing off half their face, destroying their organs even more, or paralyzing themselves.
I'm not for suicide at all... Assisted suicide is somewhat understandable I guess, but I still don't really approve of the idea.
Watch me end up as a vegetable now
Quote from: Angry Kewn Fruit on November 25, 2008, 10:53:50 AM
It's done in a medical environment with the help of drugs and such.
I'd rather have that than people botch a suicide attempt and end up surviving after blowing off half their face, destroying their organs even more, or paralyzing themselves.
I am not sure that just because it is done in a professional manner with drugs makes it any better. It is till taking a life. And in a sense even though you have the person's permission it's murder. saddood;
Quote from: Clair on November 26, 2008, 06:54:01 PM
I am not sure that just because it is done in a professional manner with drugs makes it any better. It is till taking a life. And in a sense even though you have the person's permission it's murder. saddood;
I've heard people who've survived their suicide attempts say the second they try, they regret it.
Quote from: Draco Malfoy on November 27, 2008, 03:23:23 AM
I've heard people who've survived their suicide attempts say the second they try, they regret it.
That's what makes me think it isn't a good idea. :(
I think it should definitely be an option for terminally ill patients. Everyone should have the right to die with dignity. However, potential suicides who are simply depressed should not be granted the right to assisted suicide, instead being directed toward a sympathetic counselor.
Quote from: Clair on November 27, 2008, 08:52:55 AM
That's what makes me think it isn't a good idea. :(
It's not a good idea.
As much as i don't want people to die, some people just don't have any reason to stay alive. The right to die would be abused so often by depressed people. It'd be difficult to keep it in check.
Quote from: Draco Malfoy on November 27, 2008, 03:23:23 AM
I've heard people who've survived their suicide attempts say the second they try, they regret it.
Generally most 'suicide attempts' are not attempts, but rather to ask for help.
Quote from: Angry Kewn Fruit on December 10, 2008, 11:31:06 AM
Generally most 'suicide attempts' are not attempts, but rather to ask for help.
wut
like a cry for help..
Quote from: Draco Malfoy on December 10, 2008, 11:52:38 AM
wut
They really didn't want to kill themselves so of course they didn't regret.
There are those who fail, but really are trying to kill themselves. They don't regret. They are the ones who keep trying.
Or like Lacey said:
Quote from: l a c e y on December 10, 2008, 11:53:44 AM
like a cry for help..
Quote from: Angry Kewn Fruit on December 10, 2008, 11:31:06 AM
Generally most 'suicide attempts' are not attempts, but rather to ask for help.
They don't deserve help if they're going to guilt people into it
Quote from: YPR on December 10, 2008, 11:59:24 AM
They don't deserve help if they're going to guilt people into it
well it's not so much a "i'm going to fail in my attempt to end my life so people will help me" thing as it is "something's really screwed up with my life and i feel hopeless and don't want to live anymore i just wish there was some way i could feel better" doodhuh;
Quote from: Commodore Guff on December 10, 2008, 12:01:42 PM
well it's not so much a "i'm going to fail in my attempt to end my life so people will help me" thing as it is "something's really screwed up with my life and i feel hopeless and don't want to live anymore i just wish there was some way i could feel better" doodhuh;
Maybe if I had less blood I would be happier
Quote from: YPR on December 10, 2008, 12:07:55 PM
Maybe if I had less blood I would be happier
ok Shut up until you know how it feels to be that desperate.
Quote from: Angry Kewn Fruit on December 10, 2008, 12:11:21 PM
ok Shut up until you know how it feels to be that desperate.
That doesn't make it any more rational
Probably why depression is considered a mental illness, it clouds your thinking.
Quote from: YPR on December 10, 2008, 12:16:39 PM
That doesn't make it any more rational
yet it works.
QuoteProbably why depression is considered a mental illness, it clouds your thinking.
The issue in question is about people with terminal illness though.
Quote from: Angry Kewn Fruit on December 10, 2008, 12:26:12 PM
wat
accidentally cutting too deep in your vein or caused permanent damaged by overdose because you couldn't read how strong it was and etc.
Quote from: Miss Insultbutnotfuckinghelp on December 10, 2008, 12:35:21 PM
accidentally cutting too deep in your vein or caused permanent damaged by overdose because you couldn't read how strong it was and etc.
but it does get the help the person wants.
Quote from: Angry Kewn Fruit on December 10, 2008, 12:45:09 PM
but it does get the help the person wants.
because it's basically blackmail
Quote from: YPR on December 10, 2008, 12:51:17 PM
because it's basically blackmail
if no one is listening before what else are they supposed to do
Quote from: YPR on December 10, 2008, 11:59:24 AM
They don't deserve help if they're going to guilt people into it
well if no one is listening, like JMV said what is there left to do.
Quote from: l a c e y on December 10, 2008, 01:28:03 PM
well if no one is listening, like JMV said what is there left to do.
at least take care of your physical well being rather than being ill in both mind and body
Quote from: l a c e y on December 10, 2008, 01:28:03 PM
well if no one is listening, like JMV said what is there left to do.
I mean, there's no WAY you can get your life back on track, the only option MUST be suicide. I mean, you have absolutely no opportunities in life anymore, you might as well die and not experience the one chance we get on Earth.
Quote from: Draco Malfoy on December 10, 2008, 01:52:05 PM
I mean, there's no WAY you can get your life back on track, the only option MUST be suicide. I mean, you have absolutely no opportunities in life anymore, you might as well die and not experience the one chance we get on Earth.
I think you missed the whole thing about most 'suicide attempts' being a cry for help, and not an actual attempt at death.
Quote from: Draco Malfoy on December 10, 2008, 01:52:05 PM
I mean, there's no WAY you can get your life back on track, the only option MUST be suicide. I mean, you have absolutely no opportunities in life anymore, you might as well die and not experience the one chance we get on Earth.
i don't think they care about their futures anymore
Quote from: Miss Insultbutnotfuckinghelp on December 10, 2008, 01:53:46 PM
i don't think they care about their futures anymore
Good riddance then. I wish for their death as well.
Quote from: Angry Kewn Fruit on December 10, 2008, 01:53:12 PM
I think you missed the whole thing about most 'suicide attempts' being a cry for help, and not an actual attempt at death.
so shouldn't we call that self-mutilation rather than a suicide attempt?
Quote from: YPR on December 10, 2008, 01:55:21 PM
so shouldn't we call that self-mutilation rather than a suicide attempt?
not if you nearly killed yourself.
Quote from: l a c e y on December 10, 2008, 01:56:02 PM
not if you nearly killed yourself.
well if you're not trying to kill yourself, it's not really a suicide attempt... It's suicide if you die, yeah.
Quote from: YPR on December 10, 2008, 01:59:16 PM
well if you're not trying to kill yourself, it's not really a suicide attempt... It's suicide if you die, yeah.
It's an attention-whore's
cry for help, get it right YPR.
Quote from: YPR on December 10, 2008, 01:59:16 PM
well if you're not trying to kill yourself, it's not really a suicide attempt... It's suicide if you die, yeah.
lol well if you weren't really trying to kill yourself and something went wrong or something..
then that would be a suicide attempt.
you're all retarded anyways
assisted suicide only concerns the terminally ill, not the mentally ill akudood;
sorry, it seems that we have forgotten that this thread is about assisted suicide..
Quote from: Draco Malfoy on December 10, 2008, 02:01:00 PM
It's an attention-whore's cry for help, get it right YPR.
Have you ever been in a situation where no one is helping, or seems to be helping?
Even if you repeatedly are asking them for help?
Once you reach that level of desperation you'd understand.
Quote from: Angry Kewn Fruit on December 10, 2008, 02:15:03 PM
Have you ever been in a situation where no one is helping, or seems to be helping?
Even if you repeatedly are asking them for help?
Once you reach that level of desperation you'd understand.
FUCKING HELP YOURSELF, MAN.
You have nobody in this world. Nobody is bound to a contract to help you with anything. Everyone can help themselves.
Quote from: Draco Malfoy on December 10, 2008, 02:45:47 PM
FUCKING HELP YOURSELF, MAN.
You have nobody in this world. Nobody is bound to a contract to help you with anything. Everyone can help themselves.
Only to an extent.
Quote from: Angry Kewn Fruit on December 10, 2008, 02:46:51 PM
Only to an extent.
Well, obviously not for you, but for me, that extention goes to my life. doodhuh;
I haven't known of one person here yet who's had a legit reason to attempt suicide.
Quote from: Draco Malfoy on December 10, 2008, 02:50:29 PM
Well, obviously not for you, but for me, that extention goes to my life. doodhuh;
I haven't known of one person here yet who's had a legit reason to attempt suicide.
There aren't really any legitimate reasons for committing suicide outside of unbearable physical pain
Quote from: Draco Malfoy on December 10, 2008, 02:50:29 PM
Well, obviously not for you, but for me, that extention goes to my life. doodhuh;
I haven't known of one person here yet who's had a legit reason to attempt suicide.
How many have you known who have attempted suicide?
Quote from: Angry Kewn Fruit on December 10, 2008, 02:52:51 PM
How many have you known who have attempted suicide?
Some of you talk as though you've wanted it pretty bad at one point.
Quote from: Draco Malfoy on December 10, 2008, 02:54:10 PM
You all talk as though you've wanted it pretty bad at one point.
Yes. Which is why I understand. psyduck;
I obviously never went through with it or an attempt because I realized it wasn't worth it, but I can completely understand why someone would feel so hopeless as to see only death as a way to escape their problems. Or, those who dont' want to die, enough to shock those around them into actually caring that something is dangerously wrong.
Oh, pathetic teenage angst. </3
Okay, can we actually talk about assisted suicide now? baddood;
I doubt I'd ever do it. No matter what state I was in.
Quote from: YPR on December 10, 2008, 02:52:10 PM
There aren't really any legitimate reasons for committing suicide outside of unbearable physical pain
depressed people would usually weight the negatives and positives and usually the latter wins and they kill themselves, or try to :X
aka if i'm dead they'll be happy, i won't spend anyone's money, i won't bother anyone anymore, etc.
But they're delusional which makes it true to themselves but not to others therefore making their suicide somewhat legit to themselves only. <3
or a cry for attentions since everyone is ignoring them
Quote from: Draco Malfoy on December 10, 2008, 02:45:47 PM
FUCKING HELP YOURSELF, MAN.
that's what suicide is for n_u
Quote from: YPR on December 10, 2008, 02:52:10 PM
There aren't really any legitimate reasons for committing suicide outside of unbearable physical pain
uh who exactly is the Great Suicide Arbiter that defines the legitimacy of suicide doodhuh;
Quote from: Draco Malfoy on December 10, 2008, 03:05:00 PM
Okay, can we actually talk about assisted suicide now? baddood;
hullo n_u
Quote from: Commodore Guff on December 10, 2008, 02:03:03 PM
you're all retarded anyways
assisted suicide only concerns the terminally ill, not the mentally ill akudood;
Quote from: Miss Insultbutnotfuckinghelp on December 10, 2008, 03:17:47 PM
depressed people would usually weight the negatives and positives and usually the latter wins and they kill themselves, or try to :X
i think you mean former :]
Quote from: Draco Malfoy on December 10, 2008, 03:23:44 PM
i think you mean former :]
i meant positives as in "oh this is a plus in my book to kill myself ;)"
Quote from: Miss Insultbutnotfuckinghelp on December 10, 2008, 03:32:48 PM
i meant positives as in "oh this is a plus in my book to kill myself ;)"
oh
OH
also
Jack Kevorkian.
Quote from: Commodore Guff on December 10, 2008, 03:21:43 PM
uh who exactly is the Great Suicide Arbiter
I think the law is the one that decides the legitimacy of things, so I'd go with that. And suicide is illegal, therefore there are no legitimate reasons for it currently.
Of course society can alter the legitimacy of laws by changing them if the public opinion sways, which is why we're discussing views on assisted suicide I suppose as it is more controversial
Quote from: Draco Malfoy on December 10, 2008, 03:05:00 PM
Oh, pathetic teenage angst. </3
and this whole time i believed my therapist and doctor and their 'depressive disorder' diagnosis
THANK YOU DET INTERNET MD
Quote from: YPR on December 10, 2008, 03:38:17 PM
I think the law is the one that decides the legitimacy of things, so I'd go with that. And suicide is illegal, therefore there are no legitimate reasons for it currently.
Of course society can alter the legitimacy of laws by changing them if the public opinion sways, which is why we're discussing views on assisted suicide I suppose as it is more controversial
suicide is not illeagle in canada.
it can't be illeagle because you can't really put the person in jail or sue them if their dead...
Quote from: YPR on December 10, 2008, 03:38:17 PM
I think the law is the one that decides the legitimacy of things, so I'd go with that. And suicide is illegal, therefore there are no legitimate reasons for it currently.
then your previous statement doesn't make a whole lot of sense:
Quote from: YPR on December 10, 2008, 02:52:10 PM
There aren't really any legitimate reasons for committing suicide outside of unbearable physical pain
suicide because of unbearable physical pain (incidentally what made you single out physical pain doodhuh;) is still illegal so i guess you made a reversal idk doodhuh;
Quote from: Commodore Guff on December 10, 2008, 04:43:32 PM
then your previous statement doesn't make a whole lot of sense:
suicide because of unbearable physical pain (incidentally what made you single out physical pain doodhuh;) is still illegal so i guess you made a reversal idk doodhuh;
Well yeah, I did. It's generally a good idea when you're incorrect about something.
Quote from: YPR on December 10, 2008, 05:06:43 PM
Well yeah, I did. It's generally a good idea when you're incorrect about something.
oh you n_u
Quote from: Frutta Procione on December 10, 2008, 03:00:20 PM
Yes. Which is why I understand. psyduck;
I obviously never went through with it or an attempt because I realized it wasn't worth it, but I can completely understand why someone would feel so hopeless as to see only death as a way to escape their problems. Or, those who dont' want to die, enough to shock those around them into actually caring that something is dangerously wrong.
Or maybe it's a way to stop the pain. To get some rest and peace.