To address the earlier thread, I'm horribly sorry. It was an old joke that I thought some of you might have heard before. At the same time "What the hell?" Was no way to respond to it, and I think I deserve a little respect than that. That being said, here they are again.
(http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/1336/dsc03412vc6.jpg)
Rise and shine to an empty St. Thomas airport, where empty 757s sat waiting and our Cessna was fueled and ready to go.
(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6180/dsc03280ni4.jpg)
In a holding pattern near San Juan.
(http://www.bellewood-gardens.com/PR_Vieques_Airplane.jpg)
As a bonus, here's a flamboyantly gay man boarding the plane in Vieques.
How high were you in the second picture?
Those are some good pictures. I laughed at the guy in the last one.
Quote from: JMV on April 23, 2008, 07:39:21 PM
How high were you in the second picture?
2,500 feet. Later in that flight we had a hydraulic failure which the aircraft is famous for. We had to intentionally stall the plane to lose altitude because we had no control over our pitch. Scary.
Quote from: idunnlol on April 23, 2008, 07:39:46 PM
Those are some good pictures. I laughed at the guy in the last one.
He kept tapping on my shoulder and saying "this plane is LITTLE ;)"
I like this new guy
Quote from: Kair on April 23, 2008, 07:41:45 PM
He kept tapping on my shoulder and saying "this plane is LITTLE ;)"
It must of been along flight for you doodella;
Quote from: Kair on April 23, 2008, 07:37:30 PM
. At the same time "What the hell?" Was no way to respond to it, and I think I deserve a little respect than that.
This is Boyah.
So with that being said, it won't be the first time; you better toughen up.
Quote from: idunnlol on April 23, 2008, 07:42:24 PM
It must of been along flight for you doodella;
Yeah. He was sitting in the First Officer's seat, too, so he kept messing with the yoke while the autopilot was on and I kept telling him that he was going to fuck something up. He thought I was flirting with him, I guess.
Quote from: Kair on April 23, 2008, 07:40:50 PM
We had to intentionally stall the plane to lose altitude because we had no control over our pitch. Scary.
How low was the stalling speed of that particular aircraft, I assume below 75 Knots. Also, aren't the hydraulics like quadruple redundant?
Quote from: Socks on April 23, 2008, 07:45:03 PM
How low was the stalling speed of that particular aircraft, I assume below 75 Knots. Also, aren't the hydraulics like quadruple redundant?
Stall speed's about 68 knots, but we were heavy so it was closer to 73.
I'm not sure I understand the second question...
Quote from: Kair on April 23, 2008, 07:47:08 PM
I'm not sure I understand the second question...
I mean, are the hydraulic lines quadruple redundant? Meaning if one goes down there are three others ones to route fluid to the area in question.
Quote from: Socks on April 23, 2008, 07:49:17 PM
I mean, are the hydraulic lines quadruple redundant? Meaning if one goes down there are three others ones to route fluid to the area in question.
Ah, I see.
This was actually an issue of the hydraulic fluid cask (we were taught to call it a cask). Sometimes, the fluid solidifies and looks a lot like lard. That's why the cask has a heater to keep it liquid. The heater wasn't getting the job done and the fluid was solidifying, which means it couldn't squeeze through the lines. It happened with a 182 RG in New Jersey the other day.
I don't get all this nautical slang.
Quote from: Kair on April 23, 2008, 07:52:29 PM
The heater wasn't getting the job done and the fluid was solidifying, which means it couldn't squeeze through the lines.
Interesting, shouldn't this only happen at very high altitude and speed over pretty cold areas? I know that recently some 777s were having problems as their fuel was solidifying and turing slushy over very cold areas (Russia I think) and high altitude. When their fuel heaters in the wing failed it caused some of the engines to become unresponsive and shut down.
Quote from: Socks on April 23, 2008, 07:56:20 PM
Interesting, shouldn't this only happen at very high altitude and speed over pretty cold areas? I know that recently some 777s were having problems as their fuel was solidifying and turing slushy over very cold areas (Russia I think) and high altitude. When their fuel heaters in the wing failed it caused some of the engines to become unresponsive and shut down.
Yep. That happens more than you would think, actually. Those 777s are usually on trans-Asia routes (Singapore-London, that type of thing) and are cruising at very, very high altitudes (FL380 to FL430).
Hydraulic fluid, unlike fuel, can't just sit around. It needs to either be heated up or moved around, and our hydraulic lamps obviously weren't doing their job. Cessna has formally addressed the issue, but the replacements are something upwards of 40,000 dollars.
Quote from: Kair on April 23, 2008, 08:00:59 PM
That happens more than you would think, actually. Those 777s are usually on trans-Asia routes (Singapore-London, that type of thing) and are cruising at very, very high altitudes (FL380 to FL430).
When I departed JFK for Milano last December in a 777-200ER our route naturally took us near Iceland and Greenland, I think the highest altitude I saw on the monitor was FL410, glad nothing happened to our flight.
In any case, it makes me marvel at military grade engineering how some fighters (especially those at Eielson and Elmendorf) can cruise at FL555-600 and Mach speeds and still perform flawlessly.
Quote from: Socks on April 23, 2008, 08:06:14 PM
When I departed JFK for Milano last December in a 777-200ER our route naturally took us near Iceland and Greenland, I think the highest altitude I saw on the monitor was FL410, glad nothing happened to our flight.
In any case, it makes me marvel at military grade engineering how some fighters (especially those at Eielson and Elmendorf) can cruise at FL555-600 and Mach speeds and still perform flawlessly.
There's an old story about an SR71 asking for clearance up to FL650 and the controller laughing and saying "If you can get up there, pal".
I wonder how long it took that ATC to realize what he just said. In any case I've heard of a similar joke only this one involving a much higher altitude. It must be nice to fly at such altitudes and see the curvature of the Earth clearly.
Quote from: Socks on April 23, 2008, 08:15:12 PM
I wonder how long it took that ATC to realize what he just said. In any case I've heard of a similar joke only this one involving a much higher altitude. It must be nice to fly at such altitudes and see the curvature of the Earth clearly.
Definitely. I bet if they somehow had a dual engine failure over New York they could probably glide all the way to Florida.
Quote from: Kair on April 23, 2008, 08:22:26 PM
Definitely. I bet if they somehow had a dual engine failure over New York they could probably glide all the way to Florida.
If they were cruising above Mach 3 and at very high altitude where the the air resistance is minimal they could probably make it on altitude and inertia alone and still leave other aircraft in the dust.
I can't recall at the moment what it's max ceiling was in a zoom climb but I think it was near or above FL1200.
Quote from: Socks on April 23, 2008, 08:28:39 PM
If they were cruising above Mach 3 and at very high altitude where the the air resistance is minimal they could probably make it on altitude and inertia alone and still leave other aircraft in the dust.
I can't recall at the moment what it's max ceiling was in a zoom climb but I think it was near or above FL1200.
That's ridiculous. I've obviously never been afraid of heights...but think about that.
Quote from: Kair on April 23, 2008, 08:32:50 PM
That's ridiculous. I've obviously never been afraid of heights...but think about that.
For real, I doubt the USAF does not have an black and limited "Aurora" type hypersonic jet with performances even more mild blowing than that. No wonder the Black bird was never intercepted or shot down by SAMs. At such an altitude and speed even a change in velocity of a few degrees would leave most interceptors and missiles with bad end game NEZ kinematics and air to air missiles with a terrible F-Pole.
hey guys i heard the z65 bomber could fly at 657778383 altitude while the 57575jkksk jet engine could launch at 584783u8uijf degrees Celsius
baddood;
Quote from: V on April 23, 2008, 08:48:28 PM
hey guys i heard the z65 bomber could fly at 657778383 altitude while the 57575jkksk jet engine could launch at 584783u8uijf degrees Celsius
LoL, nice one V, that's some bomber.
Quote from: Socks on April 23, 2008, 08:49:51 PM
LoL, nice one V, that's some bomber.
the shit can also nosedive like a muthafucka. baddood;
Quote from: V on April 23, 2008, 08:51:16 PM
the shit can also nosedive like a muthafucka.
This would be problematic as given the performance of your bomber it would not likely recover from such a dive.
Quote from: Socks on April 23, 2008, 08:52:31 PM
This would be problematic as given the performance of your bomber it would not likely recover from such a dive.
aw don't worry, the bomber has a secret thingy i like to call "the jes
us juice amplifier" which allows it to recover from anything. baddood;
Way to derail a thread.
I see, in that case I'm sure the good folks at DARPA, the USAF, Lockmart, Boeing and NG would like to get in touch...
Quote from: JMV on April 23, 2008, 08:56:04 PM
Way to derail a thread.
The day you stop somehow bringing your "undying love" for Clucky into every thread, that's the day I'll stop derailing threads. baddood;
Quote from: Socks on April 23, 2008, 08:57:21 PM
I see, in that case I'm sure the good folks at DARPA, the USAF, Lockmart, Boeing and NG would like to get in touch...
Tell them I want the highest bidder. baddood;
Quote from: V on April 23, 2008, 08:57:54 PM
Tell them I want the highest bidder.
Capitalism works to a certain degree but you better be a good little patriot or else they'll classify your patent, seal it for national security reasons and force you to cooperate with them.
Also...
Quote from: V on April 23, 2008, 08:57:54 PM
The day you stop somehow bringing your "undying love" for Clucky into every thread, that's the day I'll stop derailing threads.
Owned.
Quote from: Socks on April 23, 2008, 08:46:09 PM
For real, I doubt the USAF does not have an black and limited "Aurora" type hypersonic jet with performances even more mild blowing than that. No wonder the Black bird was never intercepted or shot down by SAMs. At such an altitude and speed even a change in velocity of a few degrees would leave most interceptors and missiles with bad end game NEZ kinematics and air to air missiles with a terrible F-Pole.
I would have jumped in on this thread earlier, however...
I'm more interested in avionics, navigation, etc. Instrument Approaches, RNAV, etc. I've never been interested in the things that blow up airplanes, just flying airplanes.
Quote from: Title on April 23, 2008, 09:02:22 PM
I'm more interested in avionics, navigation, etc. Instrument Approaches, RNAV, etc. I've never been interested in the things that blow up airplanes, just flying airplanes.
I on the other hand would like to also learn more about that as I primarily focus and know mostly about military aviation.
Quote from: Socks on April 23, 2008, 09:05:05 PM
I on the other hand would like to also learn more about that as I primarily focus and know mostly about military aviation.
I'll teach you anything you want to know related to any type of navigation ever conceived
Quote from: V on April 23, 2008, 08:57:54 PM
The day you stop somehow bringing your "undying love" for Clucky into every thread, that's the day I'll stop derailing threads. baddood;
Find the last time I did that other than in the chat thread.
I'm pretty sure the last time was when we decided it would be hilarious to quote each other and say "I LOVE YOU MORE" baddood;
All I know about planes is that space shuttles are not planes.
Quote from: Title on April 23, 2008, 09:06:37 PM
I'll teach you anything you want to know related to any type of navigation ever conceived
Well I don't know about that, I just want to get a feel for the routine procedures and quirks of everyday civil aviation.
I want to fly, like Superman.
I doubt I would know how to parallel land. :(
sonic can run at mach 1
Quote from: Calamity on April 23, 2008, 09:20:15 PM
I doubt I would know how to parallel land. :(
Last time a couple P-51's tried to do that in Oshkosh, one of them burst into flames and the guy died.
Quote from: Socks on April 23, 2008, 09:15:30 PM
Well I don't know about that, I just want to get a feel for the routine procedures and quirks of everyday civil aviation.
PM me and ask me a fucking question, I'm bored.
Quote from: Calamity on April 23, 2008, 09:20:15 PM
I doubt I would know how to parallel land.
Another reason why females should be restricted as much as possible from performing such complex occupations. As much of an asshole as Title might be I'd rather have him flying the plane and you looking skimpy and pretty while serving me my food.
Quote from: Bassir on April 23, 2008, 09:24:59 PM
sonic can run at mach 1
Next generation airborne tactical lasers can travel at the speed of light and destroy even tanks.
Quote from: Socks on April 23, 2008, 09:25:45 PM
Another reason why females should be restricted as much as possible from performing such complex occupations. As much of an asshole as Title might be I'd rather have him flying the plane and you looking skimpy and pretty while serving me my food.
My first officer the other day was a woman, but I believe she got hired a few days after the Delta/NWA merger
also go on aim
Quote from: Socks on April 23, 2008, 09:27:20 PM
Next generation airborne tactical lasers can travel at the speed of light and destroy even tanks.
Their biggest enemy is a corner :O
The second picture is awesome
Quote from: Socks on April 23, 2008, 09:27:20 PM
Next generation airborne tactical lasers can travel at the speed of light and destroy even tanks.
well sonic is a hedgehog baddood;
Quote from: Socks on April 24, 2008, 12:40:21 PM
What?
[IMG]http://i31.tinypic.com/m98z2r.png[/img]
Did you miss the "airborne" part? Good luck with your corners, and there will be more then one aircraft in the area, each with a 360 degree rotating underbelly laser turret.
Quote from: V on April 23, 2008, 09:17:54 PM
I want to fly, like Superman.
Hold on tight then, V.
Quote from: Socks on April 24, 2008, 01:11:46 PM
Did you miss the "airborne" part? Good luck with your corners, and there will be more then one aircraft in the area, each with a 360 degree rotating underbelly laser turret.
yes