No, not the TV show.
Anyways, I think that it is a good step against terrorism, as long as it doesn't get overused. I feel that if you're a law abiding citizen then you should have nothing to worry about. The total invasion of privacy is slightly scary, but I think it's worth it if we can use it to help stop terrorism.
What, are you talking about wiretapping?
Quote from: Houdini on March 14, 2008, 03:03:40 PM
What, are you talking about wiretapping?
I think he's talking about wiretapping, cameras on the streets, access to what you view on the internet, RFID embedded in the real ID, and all of that shit.
I don't think any of those should be used or justified with the reason of supposedly making us safer. It doesn't make us any safer from potential abuse by authorities.
Indiscriminate wiretapping and RFID chips do nothing for security and only exist to expand the powers of tyrannical assholes like Bush and Nixon.
Quote from: lukas on March 14, 2008, 02:54:52 PM
Anyways, I think that it is a good step against terrorism, as long as it doesn't get overused.
how do you ensure that
Absolutely not.
STFU, GTFO, 1984, etc.
No. Not at all. Just the fact that it's named after Big Brother should remind everyone of how invasive, not to mention tyrannical, that is.
No, I'd rather not sacrifice personal liberty and privacy just so that the government will pick up a message from a possible but unlikely terrorist that may or may not actually intend to do any harm and attempt to prosecute them in any and every way possible for a crime they more than likely weren't going to commit.
Actually supporting it is about as stupid as saying the war in Iraq was completely justified because they might have had weapons of mass destruction that they could've used against against and possibly taken over our land. With logic like that, we should be at war with the whole world because any nation could launch an attack against us at any time.
Also, it seems all the government is trying to do is scare the people into thinking there are terrorists on every street corner. If anything, the guys in Washington are terrorists for using fear to get whatever bill passed they please.
Quote from: Lawlz on March 15, 2008, 12:13:36 AM
No, I'd rather not sacrifice personal liberty and privacy just so that the government will pick up a message from a possible but unlikely terrorist that may or may not actually intend to do any harm and attempt to prosecute them in any and every way possible for a crime they more than likely weren't going to commit.
Actually supporting it is about as stupid as saying the war in Iraq was completely justified because they might have had weapons of mass destruction that they could've used against against and possibly taken over our land. With logic like that, we should be at war with the whole world because any nation could launch an attack against us at any time.
Also, it seems all the government is trying to do is scare the people into thinking there are terrorists on every street corner. If anything, the guys in Washington are terrorists for using fear to get whatever bill passed they please.
And actually the worst thing is they don't use the "wiretapping" jut for terrorists as they claimed they were. It says in the patriot act that it can be used for other things. Exact wording was "other things" or at least something so vague that they could use it for almost anything.
Stupid fucking politics don't read shit they pass.
In euro studies yesterday my teacher was discussing big brother and that stuff with us and he said that they passed the patriot act at midnight so there was hardly anybody there to vote against it.
Quote from: lukas on March 15, 2008, 12:01:30 PM
In euro studies yesterday my teacher was discussing big brother and that stuff with us and he said that they passed the patriot act at midnight so there was hardly anybody there to vote against it.
uh, just about everyone got a chance to vote on it, and most voted for it doodthing;
senate vote tallies (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00313) and house vote tallies (http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2001/roll398.xml)
tell your teacher to stop being retarded
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
Quote from: Commodore Guff on March 15, 2008, 12:31:09 PM
uh, just about everyone got a chance to vote on it, and most voted for it doodthing;
senate vote tallies (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00313) and house vote tallies (http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2001/roll398.xml)
tell your teacher to stop being retarded
Paul voted against it. I love him even more now.
Quote from: Co-Z on March 16, 2008, 11:03:21 PM
Paul voted against it. I love him even more now.
I think Paul and Kucinich were the only candidates who even cared enough to read it. Makes me wonder why we give a shit about the shitty canidates like McCain, Romney, Huckabee, Clinton, and Edwards with those two around. >.<
Hi. You haven't read 1984.
Quote from: Nyerp on March 17, 2008, 12:52:17 PM
Hi. You haven't read 1984.
I'm actually starting it tonight for english.
Quote from: lukas on March 17, 2008, 02:55:41 PM
I'm actually starting it tonight for english.
Then you should know that the government will play on paranoia and start using these powers against political opponents.
No. If they have a whole "big brother system" to watch over us it will be misused. If something is worthy of being looked into they can get a warrant within a couple days. Wiretapping and other methods do not make us any safer. If anything it makes us less safe. If someone with the wrong intent gets there hands on the system then it could be very bad.
I dont exactly think it's the people's decision weather or not it be implemented. The good ol' American government is going to go ahead and further poke and pry either way. Here come the thought police!!!!!
Quote from: Boognish on March 19, 2008, 07:18:53 PM
I dont exactly think it's the people's decision weather or not it be implemented. The good ol' American government is going to go ahead and further poke and pry either way. Here come the thought police!!!!!
Well, you gotta look at it from the right angle. Sure, it can be misused, but I think that if it has the potential to stop events such as 9/11 happening all over again, it's well worth the invasion of our privacy.
Oh, 1984 is much more extreme than the patriot act is. I wish people wouldn't compare the two so closely.
Quote from: David. on March 19, 2008, 09:23:17 PMbut I think that if it has the potential to stop events such as 9/11 happening all over again
No, you're an idiot, shut up.
Maybe it does have the
potential to stop future terrorist strikes by the people (READ: not guaranteed), but it allows the government to effectively become true terrorists by insisting it is a necessity for everyday life and without it we'd be bombarded everyday by every single nation in the whole world.
Well I said it was potiental too baddood;
Quote from: David. on March 19, 2008, 09:23:17 PM
Well, you gotta look at it from the right angle. Sure, it can be misused, but I think that if it has the potential to stop events such as 9/11 happening all over again, it's well worth the invasion of our privacy.
I can only disagree. See, there's two parts in particular that completely shape my mindset. The "sneak and peek" which basically gives officers and officials a complete right to search a home without the occupant's knowledge or permission and the complete ability of the FBI to search phone and financial records without a court order. Bullshit.
It's not a question whether or not it's been misused, it's how much is it being misused, especially under Mr. Bush's oh-so-patriotic administration.
The patriot act would NEVER have even come close to stopping terrorists from flying planes into buildings.
So, you're saying Americans should have to give up a basic right, privacy, for a half assed civilian monitering program? No thanks. I like my phone conversations private.
Well, I kinds use Remote Desktop to spy on my little brothers, so I guess I can't say I don't support it