In this thread, Lawlz tells me why Safari is superior to Firefox in OS X.
You need to wait in line.
Guff has been waiting for a list of sites, other than the Acid2 test, that Firefox can't render properly since August.
firefox is the slowest goddamn browser on os x, running even slower than internet explorer can under emulation
advantages of firefox: hay i have this spell check plugin and open source which really means jack shit to the average user but i always cite it as an advantage because source code is fun to peruse what the hell is int and float :|
cool i have built in features without the bloat and have a spellchecker and top performance and webkit :|
Quote from: Lawlz on January 02, 2008, 12:43:40 AM
firefox is the slowest goddamn browser on os x, running even slower than internet explorer can under emulation
advantages of firefox: hay i have this spell check plugin and open source which really means jack shit to the average user but i always cite it as an advantage because source code is fun to peruse what the hell is int and float :|
cool i have built in features without the bloat and have a spellchecker and top performance and webkit :|
Spell check is a default feature of Firefox. psyduck;
I had to enable it on Safari.
Firefox takes maybe 5-10 more seconds to open than Safari, but actual browsing is so much faster. And there's no reason to quit Fire fox since it doesn't hog resources after it's been open a while *cough*Safari*cough*, so the startup time makes no difference.
Also, FTP plugin so I can upload in a browser tab makes me swoon.
Also, also, where is this "bloat"?
Quote from: Soup on January 02, 2008, 01:21:20 AM
Firefox takes maybe 5-10 more seconds to open than Safari,
ONLYSafari takes about 2 seconds.
Quotebut actual browsing is so much faster.
oh god please tell me you're kidding or can't read a clock
Firefox takes anywhere from five seconds more to load basic, nigh image free pages to thrice as long as Safari. As I've said, even IE when run under emulation is faster.
QuoteAnd there's no reason to quit Fire fox since it doesn't hog resources after it's been open a while *cough*Safari*cough*
THAT'S A JOKE. spam;
isn't firefox notorious for its memory leaks and all that bologna
i mean safari is no lynx but firefox is hell psyduck;
Also, Safari really doesn't hog up resources. Shiira was a bitch when left running for a while, but Safari has been very good for me. Apparently, it does a bit for other people, but not as bad as Firefox.
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Also, FTP plugin so I can upload in a browser tab makes me swoon.
okay
i use cyberduck. it's free and nice and good and cool when linked to text editors like smultron
even better when you take advantage of spaces and flip between an area for maintaining whatever you're doing and putting it together and another to see how your work is turning out
Quote, so the startup time makes no difference.
Also, FTP plugin so I can upload in a browser tab makes me swoon.
Also, also, where is this "bloat"?
XBOX HUEG app size. Really, it's bigger than Opera and Safari combined... and the basic, no plug-in version doesn't even have half of Opera's features. Hell, it doesn't have half of Opera's speed, either.
also all those neat little memory leaks and whatnot that it's been plagued with for all eternity because mozilla has some retarded developers especially their mac department
Dear Lawlz: One of the benefits of an open source app is the ability to quickly fix a problem. Firefox's memory leak has pretty much been dealt with, while I still have the problem with safari.
As I said before, unless the two systems had the same exact specs, you can't compare the speeds of programs.
acid 2
Firefox loads pages faster for me
And 10 seconds less for startup per month is not a good enough reason to switch.
I don't see how spaces is a help (and I forgot what that has to do with this topic). Switching to text editor with command tab and switching tabs in browser is quicker than spaces swtiching.
And I don't remember anyone who's cared about app size since last millenium. But I asked for bloat, so I guess I'll agree wit hyou there, but I was thinking about GUI/interface bloat, which I do not see on either (or on any browser other than IE, for that matter).
hi guff why am i here i forgot : |
Quote from: Commodore Guff on January 02, 2008, 01:22:34 PM
acid 2
As guff requested before, give a list of sites other than acid2 that firefox can't render
also safari can't display the graphical editor on lithium forums, and it crashes when I use imageshack.
shut up you retard it just fucking sucks you don't need facts to prove that :|
Quote from: Lawlz on January 02, 2008, 01:46:03 AM
XBOX HUEG app size. Really, it's bigger than Opera and Safari combined...
this is relevant how
Quote from: Lawlz on January 02, 2008, 01:46:03 AM
...and the basic, no plug-in version doesn't even have half of Opera's features.
like what
I use Safari because I'm a god damn Nazi for hard drive space befuddlement
But Lawlz needs to shut the fuck up. Compiling your own Mozilla products can make a huge difference, and god knows how bad flash performance is on webkit.
Quote from: Lawlz on January 02, 2008, 12:43:40 AM
firefox is the slowest goddamn browser on os x, running even slower than internet explorer can under emulation
advantages of firefox: hay i have this spell check plugin and open source which really means jack shit to the average user but i always cite it as an advantage because source code is fun to peruse what the hell is int and float :|
cool i have built in features without the bloat and have a spellchecker and top performance and webkit :|
lol firefox is made for win xp and linux because no one cares about osx
Quote from: reefer on January 03, 2008, 08:58:14 PM
lol firefox is made for win xp and linux because no one cares about osx
why do you insult yourself at every opportunity
I would bet you about 20 percent or less Americans know what the hell Linux is, never mind used it. I would bet you that about 90 to 100 percent of Americans are familiar with and have tried "osx".
Firefox
is made for OS X. Mozilla heavily supports OS X. Stop being an idiot.
Quote from: Title on January 04, 2008, 02:28:12 PM
why do you insult yourself at every opportunity
I would bet you about 20 percent or less Americans know what the hell Linux is, never mind used it. I would bet you that about 90 to 100 percent of Americans are familiar with and have tried "osx".
Firefox is made for OS X. Mozilla heavily supports OS X. Stop being an idiot.
I'm willing to bet only about half of Americans that know what a computer is have seen OS X. I'd bet about 70% have heard of Macs or know that Apple makes computers, but I doubt very few of them have ever seen one, much less used it. Many, many Americans think that everything just runs Microsoft (since many don't even know what the hell Windows is) and the only difference is a logo--the only thing that separates cheap clothes from expensive ones, and is assumed to do the same for computers and other products. If you would show a Mac to your average American, they'd just ask why they can't use Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player on it.
Also, Mozilla is completely and utterly retarded when it comes to working with Macs. The Camino clan somewhat knows their ways around OS X, but the main Mozilla group knows jack shit and it's obvious in Firefox and all those other half assed apps.
Quote from: Lawlz on January 04, 2008, 05:11:08 PM
Also, Mozilla is completely and utterly retarded when it comes to working with Macs. The Camino clan somewhat knows their ways around OS X, but the main Mozilla group knows jack shit and it's obvious in Firefox and all those other half assed apps.
No.
Thunderbird kicks mail.app's ass any day of the week. Honestly. Thunderbird is the only Mail app I would ever use, and it's
great for OS X.
Your post was irrelevant. Reaper, who I can't imagine was ever thought to be intelligent here, claimed that Firefox isn't good for OS X because people cared more about Linux than OS X. I would highly recommend reading a post before rambling on about absolutely nothing.
Quote from: Title on January 04, 2008, 05:31:21 PM
Your post was irrelevant. Reaper, who I can't imagine was ever thought to be intelligent here, claimed that Firefox isn't good for OS X because people cared more about Linux than OS X. I would highly recommend reading a post before rambling on about absolutely nothing.
No, not really. You said 90% of Americans know of or have used OS X, and that's far from the truth.
Quote from: Lawlz on January 04, 2008, 05:50:00 PM
No, not really. You said 90% of Americans know of or have used OS X, and that's far from the truth.
Macs are present in a lot of schools. A lot of them don't have OS X installed, but a Mac is a Mac.
Quote from: Title on January 05, 2008, 08:27:16 AM
Macs are present in a lot of schools. A lot of them don't have OS X installed, but a Mac is a Mac.
But most schools use Windows, and most Americans aren't students.
Quote from: Lawlz on January 05, 2008, 09:31:35 AM
But most schools use Windows, and most Americans aren't students.
Most schools I've been to have used Macs.
mebe in the poor land of the south.
Quote from: JMV290 on January 05, 2008, 09:38:11 AM
mebe in the poor land of the south.
You're an idiot. psyduck;
Colorado Springs, Colorado used solely Windows. Albany, New York used solely Windows. Newport, Pennsylvania used solely Windows. Clarksville, Tennessee used both OS X and Windows, but is now switching over to Windows alone since new teachers are whining about them.
Quote from: JMV290 on January 05, 2008, 09:38:11 AM
Most schools I've been to have used Macs.
elementary schools :|
Quote from: Lawlz on January 05, 2008, 09:43:27 AM
You're an idiot. psyduck;
Colorado Springs, Colorado used solely Windows. Albany, New York used solely Windows. Newport, Pennsylvania used solely Windows. Clarksville, Tennessee used both OS X and Windows, but is now switching over to Windows alone since new teachers are whining about them.
se you're poor
Quote from: Lawlz on January 05, 2008, 09:43:27 AM
You're an idiot. psyduck;
Colorado Springs, Colorado used solely Windows. Albany, New York used solely Windows. Newport, Pennsylvania used solely Windows. Clarksville, Tennessee used both OS X and Windows, but is now switching over to Windows alone since new teachers are whining about them.
Those are some pretty fancy-shmancy towns.
Quote from: Lawlz on January 04, 2008, 05:11:08 PM
Also, Mozilla is completely and utterly retarded when it comes to working with Macs. The Camino clan somewhat knows their ways around OS X, but the main Mozilla group knows jack shit and it's obvious in Firefox and all those other half assed apps.
you do realize that very, very little of the code is platform specific, if any, right? psyduck;
Quote from: Commodore Guff on January 05, 2008, 10:31:52 AM
you do realize that very, very little of the code is platform specific, if any, right? psyduck;
then they just suck
Quote from: JMV290 on January 05, 2008, 09:55:35 AM
se you're poor
or just most average schools don't use macs because they cost a lot and everyone whines
Quote from: Lawlz on January 05, 2008, 11:11:10 AM
then they just suck
i agree, they should do a complete rewrite for every operating system
Quote from: Commodore Guff on January 05, 2008, 11:12:45 AM
i agree, they should do a complete rewrite for every operating system
or at least make it work to some degree like how the camino team implemented native os x apis and all that bologna
at least it beats idiots saying how they need a half assed ftp plugin for a half assed browser because squeezing a mouse or hitting control+right is too hard to use a real ftp client
Quote from: Lawlz on January 02, 2008, 12:43:40 AM
advantages of firefox: hay i have this spell check plugin and open source which really means jack shit to the average user but i always cite it as an advantage because source code is fun to peruse what the hell is int and float :|
Um, no. You are a retard for thinking that. Just because it's open source doesn't mean that you must know how to code. That is why Firefox extensions exist; to allow your average user to take advantage of the open source capabilities (and not have to learn how to program).
I like Safari more than Firefox (on windows of course).
I wasnt aware that Firefox sucked ass on OS X.
Quote from: some_person on January 06, 2008, 12:09:17 AM
Um, no. You are a retard for thinking that. Just because it's open source doesn't mean that you must know how to code. That is why Firefox extensions exist; to allow your average user to take advantage of the open source capabilities (and not have to learn how to program).
closed source browsers can have plugins and extensions and all that
the average user doesn't care if something is open source because they can't use it to their advantage. a free closed source browser is just as good if not better
Quote from: Lawlz on January 06, 2008, 01:54:59 AM
closed source browsers can have plugins and extensions and all that
the average user doesn't care if something is open source because they can't use it to their advantage. a free closed source browser is just as good if not better
That makes sense sweat;
Quote from: Lawlz on January 05, 2008, 11:23:59 AM
or at least make it work to some degree like how the camino team implemented native os x apis and all that bologna
do you even know what you're talking about
Quote from: Commodore Guff on January 06, 2008, 10:19:28 AM
do you even know what you're talking about
i sometimes forget