Have you ever found any contradictions to it? For example, if incest was a sin, then Adam and Eve's children were destined to sin for that would have been the only way to reproduce. And God being a "loving" and "knowing" God, wouldnt make that big of a mistake. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I never saw an answer to that question in the Bible.
Yes, there are a lot.
There are many
Here is a post I made elsewhere.
QuoteQuote from: Tom_Riddle11 God said, "Let the earth produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants, and fruit trees on earth, bearing fruit with their seed inside, each corresponding to its own species." And so it was.
12 The earth produced vegetation: the various kinds of seed-bearing plants and the fruit trees with seed inside, each corresponding to its own species. God saw that it was good.
--Clipped for ease--
24 God said, "Let the earth produce every kind of living creature in its own species: cattle, creeping things and wild animals of all kinds." And so it was.
25 God made wild animals in their own species, and cattle in theirs, and every creature that crawls along the earth in its own species. God saw that it was good.
26 God said, "Let us make man in our own image, in the likeness of ourselves, and let them be masters of the fish of the sea, the birds of heaven, the cattle, all the wild animals and all the creatures that creep along the ground." Notice the word ourselves. I didn't know you believed in multiple gods. Really, it was written this way because people of the time did believe that. They just thought that their one god was the greatest and most powerful. a bit of history for you.
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27 God created man in the image of himself, in the image of God he created him, male and female he created them.[/glow]what happened to the rib thing here? feel free to explain with more apples if you want, but i already know what you are going to say.
I'm going to expand on Tom_Riddle's point to show even more questionable stuff in the bible.
First I'd like to point out the order provided in the first chapter.
1)Plants
2)Animals
[glow=red,2,300]3)Man and Woman, at the same time[/glow]
And Chapter 2:
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
--Blah blah blah just stuff about the garden--
18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Notice the order here
1 Plants
2 Adam(man)
3 Animals
4 Eve(Woman)
Now let's recap
Chapter 1:
Plants
Animals
Man & Woman
Chapter 2
Plants
Man
Animals
Woman
They only agree that Plants came first. Other than that they contradict each other.
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I read it and have never found any contradictions.
Quote from: Gman61 on November 15, 2007, 07:08:09 PM
I read it and have never found any contradictions.
... Maybe you should read it again.
Old Testament God contradicts the New Testament God quite a bit
Jesus died so he could intercede for us to god. After he died he plead our cases to god. So god is much more merciful in the NT
Quote from: Gman61 on November 15, 2007, 07:17:50 PM
Jesus died so he could intercede for us to god. After he died he plead our cases to god. So god is much more merciful in the NT
But shouldn't God already know that since he's all knowing?
Of course he knew. but he waited till the action to do it
Quote from: Gman61 on November 15, 2007, 07:23:12 PM
Of course he knew. but he waited till the action to do it
Because he wanted to create suspense mirite
Quote from: JMV290 on November 15, 2007, 07:23:58 PM
Because he wanted to create suspense mirite
Well yeah, any good science fiction novel needs some cliffhangers.
Yeah, just because Catholicism is my faith doesn't mean I don't question things like these...
Quote from: Your Posting Rival on November 15, 2007, 07:30:10 PM
Yeah, just because Catholicism is my faith doesn't mean I don't question things like these...
Which is one thing I like about Christians like you. I don't think it's healthy to believe in something blindly. You have to leave it open for some sort of questioning.
If you are trying to provoke me it won't work. I don't pretend to know everything. I simply say what i know. I'm sorry if my bieng a christian offends people. I don't se why it would because your choices don't offend me. I am proud to have a personl realationship with God and I'm sorry if that makes you mad or uncomfortable. I never asked youto believe it but it would be nice if you respected other peoples views.
Quote from: Gman61 on November 15, 2007, 07:34:23 PM
If you are trying to provoke me it won't work. I don't pretend to know everything. I simply say what i know. I'm sorry if my bieng a christian offends people. I don't se why it would because your choices don't offend me. I am proud to have a personl realationship with God and I'm sorry if that makes you mad or uncomfortable. I never asked youto believe it but it would be nice if you respected other peoples views.
...where did you pull all that from? Nobody is mad or offended by you being a Christian. psyduck;
Well when you make fun of it and call it a science fiction book...
Quote from: Gman61 on November 15, 2007, 07:38:39 PM
Well when you make fun of it and call it a science fiction book...
Light-hearted joke in the midst of a serious discussion. If you really have a big problem with that, then you're not very open-minded.
It wasn't that one comment it was all of them(not all of yours)
Quote from: Kazakhstan on November 15, 2007, 07:31:13 PM
Which is one thing I like about Christians like you. I don't think it's healthy to believe in something blindly. You have to leave it open for some sort of questioning.
That's probably the nicest thing anyone's said to me in a religion thread <3
Hey Gman, if you are going to play the "religion card" for the reason as to why people are calling you an idiot, then fine I'll play into that.
Let's play a little game: People God Killed vs People Satan Killed. pseudo;
Satan: 10 (Job's 7 sons and 3 daughters)--o wait, he was given permission by God to do this so God would win a little bet with him.
God: I don't even know how many it's so high. Let's see
- The Flood
- Every First Born in Egypt
- Lot's Wife
- A shit load of people
Or if you go by this list http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/rook_hawkins/biblical_errancy/3582 Over 2 million
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l76/iamthenix/god-v-satan.png)
Now tell me about that benevolent God you love.
The one who says that he is a jealous God.
He's jealous when we put other things before him
Quote from: Gman61 on November 15, 2007, 07:46:40 PM
He's jealous when we put other things before him
Jealousy is envy, that's a deadly sin, is it not?
I'm not a catholic
Quote from: JMV290 on November 15, 2007, 07:55:56 PM
Jealousy is envy, that's a deadly sin, is it not?
It's not really jealousy... It just breaks the commandment that says one should not believe in false gods besides him.
Quote from: Gman61 on November 15, 2007, 07:57:07 PM
I'm not a catholic
but catholicism has been around longer than protestantism so it's truer
I never said that the longer something was around the truer it is
Quote from: Gman61 on November 15, 2007, 08:08:46 PM
I never said that the longer something was around the truer it is
but the deadly sins concept has been around a long time so it must have some truth
It does. They are all sins
Quote from: Kazakhstan on November 15, 2007, 07:28:07 PM
Well yeah, any good science fiction novel needs some cliffhangers.
I lol'd
Quote from: JMV290 on November 15, 2007, 07:23:58 PM
Because he wanted to create suspense mirite
Lol'd here also.
Quote from: Gman61 on November 15, 2007, 07:57:07 PM
I'm not a catholic
where'd that come from psyduck;
Quote from: Gman61 on November 15, 2007, 08:12:35 PM
It does. They are all sins
why does god sin i thought he was perfect
Arguing over religion is so unbelievably dumb.
Quote from: Super Mario Galaxy on November 17, 2007, 02:06:01 PM
Arguing over religion is so unbelievably dumb.
thanks for the update cpt. obv.
Yes there are several. I see the bible as more as a book of Christian principles, not a book about the history of Christianity. The stories in the bible are parables, stories that have an inner meaning. Not much of it is true.
By the way, how are we saved from our sins if we were the ones who killed Jesus? psyduck;
Quote from: JMV290 on November 15, 2007, 06:18:33 PM
There are many
Here is a post I made elsewhere. I'm going to expand on Tom_Riddle's point to show even more questionable stuff in the bible.
First I'd like to point out the order provided in the first chapter.
1)Plants
2)Animals
[glow=red,2,300]3)Man and Woman, at the same time[/glow]
And Chapter 2:
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
--Blah blah blah just stuff about the garden--
18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Notice the order here
1 Plants
2 Adam(man)
3 Animals
4 Eve(Woman)
Now let's recap
Chapter 1:
Plants
Animals
Man & Woman
Chapter 2
Plants
Man
Animals
Woman
They only agree that Plants came first. Other than that they contradict each other.
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Chapter 1 of Genesis was overview of the whole creation period. Chapter 2 started a more in depth view of when man was created and what happened after. And that should be pretty obvious if you actually read through chapters 1 and 2 at least once.
Quote from: LiveOnTheEdge on November 25, 2007, 10:25:36 AM
Chapter 1 of Genesis was overview of the whole creation period. Chapter 2 started a more in depth view of when man was created and what happened after. And that should be pretty obvious if you actually read through chapters 1 and 2 at least once.
Did you read the quote at all?
Even if that was true, the order would be the same.
Yeah, sorta how gays are evil psyduck; Even though everyone is equal navi;
Quote from: Commodore Guff on November 16, 2007, 12:30:02 PM
why does god sin i thought he was perfect
last time i checked, jesus was the perfect one
Quote from: miladmaaan on December 05, 2007, 09:25:53 AM
last time i checked, jesus was the perfect one
no god was
Quote from: JMV290 on December 05, 2007, 09:28:59 AM
no god was
well if you read the bible it clearly says in about 2000 places that god wasn't perfect, but he's pretty much supposedly guiding the world so what he does is perfect in his mind which is likely all that matters because he's the all-knowing one
but okay, going by our criteria jesus very much so was the perfect one, not god
Quote from: Birth Man on December 05, 2007, 12:34:17 PM
well if you read the bible it clearly says in about 2000 places that god wasn't perfect, but he's pretty much supposedly guiding the world so what he does is perfect in his mind which is likely all that matters because he's the all-knowing one
but okay, going by our criteria jesus very much so was the perfect one, not god
so then jesus is greater than god
also, man is not perfect
Quote from: Birth Man on December 05, 2007, 12:34:17 PM
well if you read the bible it clearly says in about 2000 places that god wasn't perfect
okay list ten
Quote from: Birth Man on December 05, 2007, 12:34:17 PM
well if you read the bible it clearly says in about 2000 places that god wasn't perfect, but he's pretty much supposedly guiding the world so what he does is perfect in his mind which is likely all that matters because he's the all-knowing one
but okay, going by our criteria jesus very much so was the perfect one, not god
2,000 places? That's slightly less than twice per page.
Some things i have a problem with is that the bible says that god is an angry and jealous god. And i also don't like how the bible says that god hates homosexuals. He says to love your neighbor and he's pretty much justifying hatred(murder) toward gay men and women. It just doesn't make sense to me.