What's wrong with school?
School's coming up. We are ending our summer vacations to buy school supplies and going to school. Some of us are going into High School, some of us are returning to High School, some of us are going into Collage. But is school really useful? What about our tax dollars? Are they being wasted on classes we don't need? Is the money going to the staff for their personal gain? What do you think about school?
Me, I find that some of the classes at school don't need to be taught (such as history and art, those are good things to know, should it really effect our future?), but unfortunately, in today's society, they need to be taught, and we need to prove that we learned stuff that's not really important to real life, otherwise, no employer will take us seriously when trying to get a job. If schools can offer us classes that will help us reach our goals (while teaching the important stuff, like English), that would makes schools so much better (basically, we should be able to learn what we want to learn, plus the important stuff (since when was history helpful to a grocery store clerk?)), and it would help us become successful.
Enough about me, tell me what you think about schools.
Math and Science are necessary.
But the rest are important or not, depending on what you want to be when you grow up.
Quote from: the jockyman on August 09, 2007, 09:27:17 PM
Math and Science are necessary.
But the rest are important or not, depending on what you want to be when you grow up.
I can agree with that.
My only problem is that schools don't give us enough freedom. No, I'm not complaining about strict dress codes or anything, but the fact we're supposed to continue to take a class every year and we learn nothing new. The prime example would be English. Really, I don't think four years that are nothing but review of things that were learned in middle school is necessary. Since I have to spend four years of high school taking English, and my senior year has to be packed with government and science classes (the latter of which I have no problem with), I have no chance to take any classes that I'm actually interested in and will be a part of my future--art and technology.
Why must so much be required? Why must there be at least three years of science and mathematics suggested, but four years required for those that wish to be involved with art or attend a college? Why do we need four years of rehashes written by a jackass like Shakespeare? Why can't we have a chance to take more classes that will aid us in our future? I mean, there is a three year art program at my school... but for anyone interested in art, you have to take calculus and trigonometry. psyduck;
Quote from: Lawlz on August 09, 2007, 09:38:41 PM
My only problem is that schools don't give us enough freedom. No, I'm not complaining about strict dress codes or anything, but the fact we're supposed to continue to take a class every year and we learn nothing new. The prime example would be English. Really, I don't think four years that are nothing but review of things that were learned in middle school is necessary. Since I have to spend four years of high school taking English, and my senior year has to be packed with government and science classes (the latter of which I have no problem with), I have no chance to take any classes that I'm actually interested in and will be a part of my future--art and technology.
Why must so much be required? Why must there be at least three years of science and mathematics suggested, but four years required for those that wish to be involved with art or attend a college? Why do we need four years of rehashes written by a jackass like Shakespeare? Why can't we have a chance to take more classes that will aid us in our future? I mean, there is a three year art program at my school... but for anyone interested in art, you have to take calculus and trigonometry. psyduck;
But why must schools force us to take such classes? Money?
Quote from: Lawlz on August 09, 2007, 09:38:41 PM
My only problem is that schools don't give us enough freedom. No, I'm not complaining about strict dress codes or anything, but the fact we're supposed to continue to take a class every year and we learn nothing new. The prime example would be English. Really, I don't think four years that are nothing but review of things that were learned in middle school is necessary. Since I have to spend four years of high school taking English, and my senior year has to be packed with government and science classes (the latter of which I have no problem with), I have no chance to take any classes that I'm actually interested in and will be a part of my future--art and technology.
Why must so much be required? Why must there be at least three years of science and mathematics suggested, but four years required for those that wish to be involved with art or attend a college? Why do we need four years of rehashes written by a jackass like Shakespeare? Why can't we have a chance to take more classes that will aid us in our future? I mean, there is a three year art program at my school... but for anyone interested in art, you have to take calculus and trigonometry. psyduck;
The fuck? You need to take calc. and trig. to take art?
i'm going into middle school, fyi. 8th grade.
and. i'm really worried about going to school.
i'm going into a different scene, a public school, and i'm afraid i won't know the material like the other kids do. i'm pretty bright and learn fast, but i haven't learned a lot about things that regular schools teach, and i'm worried that's gonna effect my grades and possibly my futue.
i really love language arts.
but i hate math (it really frustrates me)
and i haven't been very interested in science so far.
The part I hate the most is being forced to learn a new language, and I am pathetic at Spanish.
10th grade fyi
I never understood this myself. Most people won't even use Algebra on a day-to-day basic unless you're a fucking accountant or something to that effect. I already know how to fucking write a essay, it doesn't need to be super-fucking-perfect does it? You mispell one word and can possibly fail the class (It's happened)
You guys are missing the point. The idea of school is to keep kids in check until they're old enough to realize how stupid they are, wisen up, and go to college.
Quote from: prettygirl on August 09, 2007, 11:05:27 PM
i'm going into middle school, fyi. 8th grade.
and. i'm really worried about going to school.
i'm going into a different scene, a public school, and i'm afraid i won't know the material like the other kids do. i'm pretty bright and learn fast, but i haven't learned a lot about things that regular schools teach, and i'm worried that's gonna effect my grades and possibly my futue.
i really love language arts.
but i hate math (it really frustrates me)
and i haven't been very interested in science so far.
I take it you were homeschooled?
Quote from: Houdini on August 09, 2007, 11:14:37 PM
You guys are missing the point. The idea of school is to keep kids in check until they're old enough to realize how stupid they are, wisen up, and go to college.
I thought it was about making the school staff rich gonk;
Quote from: some_person on August 09, 2007, 11:21:53 PM
I thought it was about making the school staff rich gonk;
You realize teachers aren't payed much, right?
Quote from: some_person on August 09, 2007, 11:21:53 PM
I take it you were homeschooled?
no.
i went to a charter like k-8 school for 6th and 7th grade.
they didn't teach us much except for how to "communicate" with ourselves.
so i'm pretty much screwed.
Quote from: Thief888 on August 09, 2007, 11:22:57 PM
You realize teachers aren't payed much, right?
Not if you have to pay a teacher to quit (or something like that) gentleman; Seriously though, awhile ago, there was a proposition to stop that kind of stuff from happening.
Quote from: Thief888 on August 09, 2007, 11:22:57 PM
You realize teachers aren't payed much, right?
Teachers get notoriously low paychecks. My mom could tell you all about it.
Quote from: Houdini on August 09, 2007, 11:28:01 PM
Teachers get notoriously low paychecks. My mom could tell you all about it.
Don't teachers get some benefits from schools if the kids do well?
Quote from: some_person on August 09, 2007, 11:29:37 PM
Don't teachers get some benefits from schools if the kids do well?
They get the benefit of not getting fired, but that's about it.
Quote from: Houdini on August 09, 2007, 11:30:46 PM
They get the benefit of not getting fired, but that's about it.
Hmmmmmm..... What about the government?
Quote from: some_person on August 10, 2007, 12:00:55 AM
Hmmmmmm..... What about the government?
What about it? That it doesn't care about anyone who can't make financial contributions to the politicians? That it doesn't care about those who actually work for a living and are struggling to make money?
Quote from: JMV290 on August 10, 2007, 12:03:59 AM
What about it? That it doesn't care about anyone who can't make financial contributions to the politicians? That it doesn't care about those who actually work for a living and are struggling to make money?
Doesn't the government gain money from schools somehow (or at least some kind of benefit)?
Quote from: some_person on August 10, 2007, 12:24:11 AM
Doesn't the government gain money from schools somehow (or at least some kind of benefit)?
The government pays for the schools. And they aren't giving nearly enough money.
School is important but the ways they teach aren't effective. We'd have to spend a lot of tax dollars to make it more effective. Make the kids that learn the same way in the same class rooms. Fire bad teachers as well. The way we teach is half baby sitting, half "learn this shit yourself" in my opinion. I don't think I learned anything in Highschool I didn't already know in Junior High and Elementary School. I learned a lot more on my own but of course I couldn't get on my own without those important years of Elementary School.
I'd have not so good English, not too many math skills.
Quote from: reefer on August 10, 2007, 12:27:36 AM
School is important but the ways they teach aren't effective. We'd have to spend a lot of tax dollars to make it more effective. Make the kids that learn the same way in the same class rooms. Fire bad teachers as well. The way we teach is half baby sitting, half "learn this shit yourself" in my opinion. I don't think I learned anything in Highschool I didn't already know in Junior High and Elementary School. I learned a lot more on my own but of course I couldn't get on my own without those important years of Elementary School.
I'd have not so good English, not too many math skills.
I'm not so confident on my English either, but my English is good enough (to me), and you bring up a good point, why waste our tax money on schools if we are not learning anything (how many people cheat on their tests? v;)?
Quote from: JMV290 on August 10, 2007, 12:26:40 AM
The government pays for the schools. And they aren't giving nearly enough money.
Precisely. The money that should be going to things like schools is being pumped into Iraq.
Quote from: Houdini on August 10, 2007, 05:20:09 PM
Precisely. The money that should be going to things like schools is being pumped into Iraq.
That makes sense.
Quote from: some_person on August 12, 2007, 02:21:09 AM
That makes sense.
Why yes, it does. Thank you for pointing that out.
Nothing. Then again, for a public school, my school is actually really good, so that's probably got something to do wih my reasoning.
They should begin to focus on the interests of the indavidial by at least 9th grade. And I mean totally focus on their specific interests, not just one class. I mean, you go to school, to become educated in what you want to do when you grow up.
High school is bullshit memorization. WAY too many kids leave high school with no idea what they want to do. High school should explore the interests in the students and help them find their place in the future.
Quote from: Ripster on August 12, 2007, 06:28:04 PM
They should begin to focus on the interests of the indavidial by at least 9th grade. And I mean totally focus on their specific interests, not just one class. I mean, you go to school, to become educated in what you want to do when you grow up.
High school is bullshit memorization. WAY too many kids leave high school with no idea what they want to do. High school should explore the interests in the students and help them find their place in the future.
They're starting to do that here in Texas. Personally, I think it kinda sucks because it could potentially close educational doors
History is important, we learn about politics! We need to know because we would know when history is repeating it-self in a BAD WAY
As for art, your school my not have a good art program but my school has a pretty tight ass program, LAST HEAR I LEARNED FLASH 8. Spending 1-2 hours on a Big Mac doing vector art sound pretty kick ass huh
Quote from: Zack777 on August 13, 2007, 12:55:37 AM
History is important, we learn about politics! We need to know because we would know when history is repeating it-self in a BAD WAY
As for art, your school my not have a good art program but my school has a pretty tight ass program, LAST HEAR I LEARNED FLASH 8. Spending 1-2 hours on a Big Mac doing vector art sound pretty kick ass huh
Curing Cancer or learning how Leonidous(sp?) and his 300 Spatans defeated the Persians? Learning Flash 8 or finding ways to get into space without wasting money? I know which answers are the right answers.....
Quote from: some_person on August 13, 2007, 01:49:19 AM
Curing Cancer or learning how Leonidous(sp?) and his 300 Spatans defeated the Persians? Learning Flash 8 or finding ways to get into space without wasting money? I know which answers are the right answers.....
Are you saying that art isn't important? psyduck;
Quote from: Houdini on August 13, 2007, 02:09:00 AM
Are you saying that art isn't important? psyduck;
No, I am asking what would be more useful to survive (but it's my fault for not wording it properly).
Quote from: some_person on August 13, 2007, 02:37:28 AM
No, I am asking what would be more useful to survive.
Getting into space doesn't have much to do with surviving.
Quote from: Houdini on August 13, 2007, 02:38:08 AM
Getting into space doesn't have much to do with surviving.
I really hate myself dawkins; Is making/looking at art more important then traveling into space?
Quote from: some_person on August 13, 2007, 02:54:30 AM
I really hate myself dawkins; Is making/looking at art more important then traveling into space?
It doesn't really matter, seeing as though you're probably not going to learn how to get into space without wasting money in high school.
Quote from: Houdini on August 13, 2007, 02:57:55 AM
It doesn't really matter, seeing as though you're probably not going to learn how to get into space without wasting money in highs school.
But thats the thing, if the education was good enough, you could learn about space, and with that knowledge of space, you may be able to come up with a few theories that may or may not make space exploration cheaper.
Quote from: some_person on August 13, 2007, 03:09:20 AM
But thats the thing, if the education was good enough, you could learn about space, and with that knowledge of space, you may be able to come up with a few theories that may or may not make space exploration cheaper.
What if you're artistically inclined, rather than scientifically inclined?
Quote from: Houdini on August 13, 2007, 03:15:40 AM
What if you're artistically inclined, rather than scientifically inclined?
Where will art get you in the world today?
Quote from: some_person on August 13, 2007, 03:17:42 AM
Where will art get you in the world today?
Well, for one, it makes school NOT SUCK
and common, you have Photoshop masters, Java Scripters. Hell the designers at Apple are hella talented
Quote from: Zack777 on August 13, 2007, 04:16:58 AM
Well, for one, it makes school NOT SUCK
and common, you have Photoshop masters, Java Scripters. Hell the designers at Apple are hella talented
Sure, those are good to learn, but is it really useful? Sure, being able to work Photoshop and code in Java could get you a job easily, but does that really matter? Computers are useless if there's no one to use them...
Edit: I feel I'm getting off-topic. The point is that only the useful stuff should be mandatory (and schools should be shut down if they can't teach the subject(s) properly), and you should be able to learn whatever you want.
Quote from: some_person on August 10, 2007, 12:54:53 AM
(how many people cheat on their tests? v;)?
This teaches you how to get by in life by cheating or barley trying on the parts that don't matter caterpie;
Quote from: some_person on August 13, 2007, 07:24:05 AM
Sure, those are good to learn, but is it really useful? Sure, being able to work Photoshop and code in Java could get you a job easily, but does that really matter? Computers are useless if there's no one to use them...
So no matter what school to you is not fun? You get to spent 7 hours text messaging your freinds, you get to learn about fun subjects like history, sience, and olectives. Look, if you don't like YOUR school, burn it down for mythical god's sake. But my school on a southern californian island with the best computer programs and the best efficient buildings with all my friends and internet faster then the network at my house sounds pretty damn fun to me
Quote from: Zack777 on August 13, 2007, 04:46:07 PM
So no matter what school to you is not fun? You get to spent 7 hours text messaging your freinds, you get to learn about fun subjects like history, sience, and olectives. Look, if you don't like YOUR school, burn it down for mythical god's sake. But my school on a southern californian island with the best computer programs and the best efficient buildings with all my friends and internet faster then the network at my house sounds pretty damn fun to me
In todays society, that's not a good idea... BTW, it's not about fun, it's about how well the classes are taught, but if the classes are fun and you can learn from them, then that would be very helpful to us
Quote from: some_person on August 13, 2007, 05:21:28 PM
In todays society, that's not a good idea...
What? Burning your school down, mythical god, or going to a kick ass high school?
Quote from: Zack777 on August 13, 2007, 04:46:07 PM
So no matter what school to you is not fun? You get to spent 7 hours text messaging your freinds, you get to learn about fun subjects like history, sience, and olectives. Look, if you don't like YOUR school, burn it down for mythical god's sake. But my school on a southern californian island with the best computer programs and the best efficient buildings with all my friends and internet faster then the network at my house sounds pretty damn fun to me
You're, uh, not really supposed to be texting people in school. psyduck;
And besides, not everyone goes to schools for rich, privileged kids.
Quote from: Zack777 on August 13, 2007, 05:23:21 PM
What? Burning your school down, mythical god, or going to a kick ass high school?
Burning your school down.
And I think that's it for this thread.