Now that we have Blu-Ray. How long did it take for vhs to die once dvd was out?
Just as long as it took VHS to die.
I think both HD DVD and Blu Ray will fail.
I'm sure something will come out soon that replaces them both.
Quote from: JMV290 on August 01, 2007, 07:25:50 PM
I think both HD DVD and Blu Ray will fail.
I'm sure something will come out soon that replaces them both.
But seriously, all we really need is discs that can hold more shit.
Quote from: Bassir C. on August 01, 2007, 07:29:06 PM
But seriously, all we really need is discs that can hold more shit.
BLU-RAY holds more than DVD.
Quote from: Bassir C. on August 01, 2007, 07:29:06 PM
But seriously, all we really need is discs that can hold more shit.
I remember reading an article about scientists working with carbon atoms to store data.
carbon 18 was 1 and carbon 17 was 0 or something like that.
It would store an incredible amount of data with such a small size. The article said it should be perfected soon.
Quote from: JMV290 on August 01, 2007, 07:31:30 PM
I remember reading an article about scientists working with carbon atoms to store data.
carbon 18 was 1 and carbon 17 was 0 or something like that.
It would store an incredible amount of data with such a small size. The article said it should be perfected soon.
You know how fucking much that would cost?!?!
We don't need two different kinds of formats, we need one format everyone can use.
Quote from: JMV290 on August 01, 2007, 07:31:30 PM
I remember reading an article about scientists working with carbon atoms to store data.
carbon 18 was 1 and carbon 17 was 0 or something like that.
It would store an incredible amount of data with such a small size. The article said it should be perfected soon.
yeah then maybe they can start burning movies into my skin
Quote from: xXTheHaunted on August 01, 2007, 07:32:57 PM
You know how fucking much that would cost?!?!
Carbon is really common. Not very much.
Quote from: JMV290 on August 01, 2007, 07:33:22 PM
Carbon is really common. Not very much.
Still people are money hungry. Look at gas prices they don't need to be that high. In Europe that made cars that run on air, but gas company's in america pay off dealerships so they dont import these cars , so the companys can make loads of money on gas.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6287126.stm
QuoteWe've had agriculture for about 12,000 years, towns for eight to 10,000 years, and writing for about 5,000 years. But we're still living in the dark ages leading up to the dawn of history.
Don't we have history already, you ask? Well actually, we don't. We know much less about our ancestors than our descendants will know about us.
Indeed, we've acquired bad behavioural habits - because we're used to forgetting things over time. In fact, collectively we're on the edge of losing the ability to forget.
For the past 50 years we've become used to computers getting cheaper and more powerful exponentially - doubling in performance (or halving in price) roughly every 18 months.
The core trend, described by Intel co-founder Gordon Moore, describes the transistor count in microchips.
But a parallel trend in data storage means that storage space is becoming twice as plentiful on a similar time scale - and our ability to generate data to store is also increasing, as witness the 4m CCTV cameras around the UK, and about 70m cellphone accounts, of which maybe half are associated with camera phones able to record video.
Sooner or later they're all going to be switched on, all the time and our data storage capacity is growing so fast that we need not delete anything ever again.
There are huge legal, ethical, and privacy issues connected with recording this much information, never mind sharing it; as security expert Bruce Schneier has said: "... managing data privacy is going to be the big legal problem of the 21st century".
But I'm assuming, for the sake of argument, that we will find answers or compromise solutions to these questions. We'd better, because those cameras aren't going to stop recording and go away.
How far can it go?
Moore's law has an end in sight, dictated by physics. We can't build circuits out of components smaller than atoms.
But we can envisage building data storage devices that use individual atoms to represent one bit of information.
Consider a carbon crystal, created (and edited) one atom at a time by nanomachinery; there are two stable isotopes of carbon, and we can use a Carbon-12 atom to represent a binary 0 and a Carbon-13 atom to represent a binary 1.
One gram of this substance could store 10 to the power 21 bytes (887,808 petabytes) - the equivalent storage of more than 11 billion typical PCs.
By way of comparison, in 2003 we as a species recorded 2,200 petabytes (2.5 x 10 to the power 18 bytes) of data - enough to fill the hard drives of more than 28m typical PCs.
If we can figure out how to read and write data on the atomic scale, you could store the sum total of all the data we recorded in 2003 on a grain of sand.
We're only a few years away from the cost of data storage dropping so far that we can record "everything" that happens to us: our location at any given time, what we are hearing, what we are seeing, and what we are saying or doing.
The storage requirement for a video stream and two audio streams, plus GPS location, is only about 10,000 Gb per year - which will cost about Ã,£10 by 2017.
With your phone converting all the speech it hears to text (and storing that, too, and indexing it by time and location it becomes possible to search it all - like having Google for your memory.
You don't ever need to forget a conversation again, even if all you can recall about it is that it was with a stranger you met in a given pub about two months ago and someone mentioned the word "fishhooks".
If you're a police officer, it means never forgetting a face and always logging all your interactions with the public.
If you're suffering from the early stages of dementia, or if you're simply over-worked and expected to keep track of too many tasks at the office, it means you've got a memory prosthesis to help you keep track of things.
And if you're a student, it means you can concentrate on understanding your lecturer, and worry about making notes later.
This technology is available now -- some researchers are using it - in a few years' time, it's going to be as cheap as owning a mobile phone, and a few years later it'll be just an extra feature of your mobile phone.
It sounds strange right now, but there are too many uses for it to remain an eccentric niche. In the long term, almost all human experiences will be recorded. And in the very long term, they'll be a gold mine for historians.
Using nanoscale diamond as data storage, six hundred grams (about one and a quarter pounds, if you're my generation) can store a lifelog, a video and audio channel, with running transcript and search index, for six billion human beings for one year.
Sixty to a hundred kilograms is all it takes to store an entire 21st Century of human experience.
And some time after our demise, this information will be available to historians.
And what a mass of information it will be. For the first time ever, they'll be able to know who was where, when, and what they said; just what words were exchanged in smoky beer halls 30 years before the revolutions that haven't happened yet: who it was who claimed to be there when they founded the Party (but didn't join until years later): and where the bodies are buried.
They'll be able to see the ephemera of public life and understand the minutiae of domestic life; information that is usually omitted from the historical record because the recorders at the time deemed it insignificant, but which may be of vital interest in centuries to come.
For the first time ever, the human species will have an accurate and unblinking, unvarnished view of its own past as far back as the dark ages of the first decade of the 21st Century, when recorded history "really" began.
Quote from: xXTheHaunted on August 01, 2007, 07:35:52 PM
Still people are money hungry.
Well, money does taste good...
Quote from: xXTheHaunted on August 01, 2007, 07:29:55 PM
BLU-RAY holds more than DVD.
IT ALSO COSTS LIKE 1200 DOLLARS FOR A DECENT PLAYER.
Quote from: Title on August 01, 2007, 07:42:20 PM
IT ALSO COSTS LIKE 1200 DOLLARS FOR A DECENT PLAYER.
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Quote from: JMV290 on August 01, 2007, 07:43:35 PM
People really have no clue what they're saying when they say the PS3 is overpriced.
Quote from: Bassir C. on August 01, 2007, 07:44:21 PM
People really have no clue what they're saying when they say the PS3 is overpriced.
Ps3 is awesome I'll get one in 2009 when all the good games that are coming out will be really cheap and RE5 will be out. pseudo;
Quote from: JMV290 on August 01, 2007, 07:43:35 PM
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If you had any idea what you were talking about, you'd know that the PS3 is basically the shittiest Blu-Ray you could possibly ever get.
Quote from: Title on August 01, 2007, 07:58:22 PM
If you had any idea what you were talking about, you'd know that the PS3 is basically the shittiest Blu-Ray you could possibly ever get.
Not really.
Quote from: JMV290 on August 01, 2007, 08:00:13 PM
Not really.
Yes, really. It's really the worst one you can get.
Quote from: Title on August 01, 2007, 08:01:21 PM
Yes, really. It's really the worst one you can get.
Explain yourself.
Quote from: Bassir C. on August 01, 2007, 08:03:12 PM
Explain yourself.
They're just not as high-quality as stand-alone players. They're not going to be as reliable or have as good picture.
Quote from: Title on August 01, 2007, 08:08:20 PM
They're just not as high-quality as stand-alone players. They're not going to be as reliable or have as good picture.
where did you hear that?
why would the picture be worse?
2marrah
But seriously, though, I think it'll be here for another ten years at least.
Quote from: Commodore Guff on August 01, 2007, 11:02:28 PM
where did you hear that?
why would the picture be worse?
BECAUSE IT'S NOT AS HIGH QUALITY.
Quote from: Anakin Skywalker on August 01, 2007, 11:10:22 PM
2marrah
But seriously, though, I think it'll be here for another ten years at least.
Another ten years? psyduck;
I'd give standard DVD's another 3-4 years.
Quote from: Lawlz on August 01, 2007, 11:40:32 PM
Another ten years? psyduck;
I'd give standard DVD's another 3-4 years.
Yeah. IMO, the DVD is too young to die so soon. psyduck;
Quote from: Lawlz on August 01, 2007, 11:40:32 PMI'd give standard DVD's another 3-4 years.
By standard, do you just mean movies?
Quote from: Title on August 01, 2007, 11:59:34 PM
He meant non-HD
Then that's just silly.
Still probably be used for storage for quite some time.
Unless one format or the other wins soon.
o and how am the video quality worse explain yourself
Quote from: Commodore Guff on August 01, 2007, 11:47:42 PM
By standard, do you just mean movies?
Movies and games.
Near the end of the Wii's life, I expect less than 10 "big" DVD movie releases each year. Disney was the only company that kept dragging VHS for so long, and I expect them to do it again with their god awful
DisneyDVD shit.
For storage, yeah, I'm sure they'll still be around for a long time. They hold a huge amount of photos and documents, so I'm sure DVDs will last another 10 to possibly 15 years with that. When it comes to games and video, we've already exceeded the capacity of DVDs.
Quote from: Commodore Guff on August 02, 2007, 12:04:11 AM
Then that's just silly.
Still probably be used for storage for quite some time.
Unless one format or the other wins soon.
o and how am the video quality worse explain yourself
Think about it like this:
Are you going to get better sound quality from 20 dollar CD Player or a 200 dollar CD player?
The PS3 is great for Blu-Ray, but I was reading TECH magazine the other day and it pointed out some of the weaknesses of the PS3 Drive such as the fact that it's not as sensitive as most stand-alone players.
Quote from: Title on August 02, 2007, 12:22:07 AM
Think about it like this:
Are you going to get better sound quality from 20 dollar CD Player or a 200 dollar CD player?
The PS3 is great for Blu-Ray, but I was reading TECH magazine the other day and it pointed out some of the weaknesses of the PS3 Drive such as the fact that it's not as sensitive as most stand-alone players.
Even if that's true, will you notice a difference? That's over two million pixels, and I doubt you'll be able to tell if about ten of them are a little blurry. psyduck;
Quote from: Bassir C. on August 01, 2007, 07:44:21 PM
People really have no clue what they're saying when they say the PS3 is overpriced.
Overpriced? No.
More then most people need? Yes.
Quote from: Ohbotm on August 02, 2007, 02:09:06 AM
Overpriced? No.
More then most people need? Yes.
Overpriced? Yes.
It's a damn gaming console. It's not the consumer's fault Sony is retarded and puts excess shit into their already shitty heaps of shit. powerofone;
Quote from: Lawlz on August 02, 2007, 11:45:08 AM
Overpriced? Yes.
It's a damn gaming console. It's not the consumer's fault Sony is retarded and puts excess shit into their already shitty heaps of shit. powerofone;
l0l nintend0 fanb0y
Quote from: Anakin Skywalker on August 02, 2007, 11:45:58 AM
l0l nintend0 fanb0y
Not my fault Nintendo's only competitors suck. caterpie;
Quote from: Lawlz on August 02, 2007, 11:46:59 AM
Not my fault Nintendo's only competitors suck. caterpie;
In my opinion, Nintendo is sucking balls right now. The Wii is awful, seriously. I can't believe I was so excited about it. It's cheaply made and lacks any power whatsoever. We know we'll never get decent online, we know we'll never even get a headset.
Heck, the general consensus is that MP3 won't even be online, which is just absolutely retarded.
Quote from: Title on August 02, 2007, 11:49:36 AM
In my opinion, Nintendo is sucking balls right now. The Wii is awful, seriously. I can't believe I was so excited about it. It's cheaply made and lacks any power whatsoever. We know we'll never get decent online, we know we'll never even get a headset.
Heck, the general consensus is that MP3 won't even be online, which is just absolutely retarded.
The Wii sucks balls, but it certainly beats systems that cost as much as a small car and only have sport sims and shootan games. psyduck;
Besides, why the hell would you want multiplayer Metroid Prime 3? Anyone that says they would want it clearly isn't a fan of Metroid, since the greatness rests solely on single player. Just look at Metroid Prime Hunters. If you're going to whine about that, play some shit like Halo. psyduck;
Quote from: Lawlz on August 02, 2007, 11:52:33 AM
The Wii sucks balls, but it certainly beats systems that cost as much as a small car and only have sport sims and shootan games. psyduck;
Besides, why the hell would you want multiplayer Metroid Prime 3? Anyone that says they would want it clearly isn't a fan of Metroid, since the greatness rests solely on single player. Just look at Metroid Prime Hunters. If you're going to whine about that, play some shit like Halo. psyduck;
I love the whole adventuresome aspect of the Prime series, but multiplayer won't take away from the single player. Galaxy could have some online co-op. Brawl online is going to suck my large ballsack. Battalion Wars is going to suck even bigger ballsacks.
Quote from: Title on August 02, 2007, 11:54:54 AM
I love the whole adventuresome aspect of the Prime series, but multiplayer won't take away from the single player.
Again, Metroid Prime Hunters.
Quote from: Title on August 02, 2007, 11:54:54 AM
Brawl online is going to suck my large ballsack.
Yes, because you have played it and experienced it online before it's release. psyduck;
Quote from: Lawlz on August 02, 2007, 11:55:57 AM
Again, Metroid Prime Hunters.
Well it doesn't look like MP3 is going to be a whole lot different. IGN seems to think MP3 is a full-fledged FPS, it even got "Best Wii FPS" at E3.
Quote from: V on August 02, 2007, 11:57:19 AM
Yes, because you have played it and experienced it online before it's release. psyduck;
No, because I've played Nintendo Online.
It sucks ass.
Quote from: Title on August 02, 2007, 11:57:28 AM
Well it doesn't look like MP3 is going to be a whole lot different. IGN seems to think MP3 is a full-fledged FPS, it even got "Best Wii FPS" at E3.
Just hurry up and die.
Quote from: Lawlz on August 02, 2007, 11:45:08 AM
Overpriced? Yes.
It's a damn gaming console. It's not the consumer's fault Sony is retarded and puts excess shit into their already shitty heaps of shit. powerofone;
It's the cheapest Blu-ray player and supercomputer.
Quote from: Lawlz on August 02, 2007, 11:52:33 AM
Besides, why the hell would you want multiplayer Metroid Prime 3?
Why wouldn't we want multiplayer? It'll be a great game (if it's anything like Metroid Prime), but multiplayer would've been the feature that could make it really great. It's not like multiplayer'll kill the story or anything, it's just a nice feature people like myself would've liked to see.
Quote from: Bassir C. on August 02, 2007, 11:59:32 AM
It's the cheapest Blu-ray player and supercomputer.
It's a game console.
If I want a computer, I'll buy one. And it certainly won't be one made by Sony.
If I want a game console, I'll buy one. And it certainly won't be one made by Sony.
QuoteWhy wouldn't we want multiplayer? It'll be a great game (if it's anything like Metroid Prime), but multiplayer would've been the feature that could make it really great. It's not like multiplayer'll kill the story or anything, it's just a nice feature people like myself would've liked to see.
WHILE WE'RE AT IT, LET'S MAKLE MULTIPLAYER MEGAMAN AND SONIC THE HEDGEHOG. IT MAKES EVERYONE HAPPY. spam;
Quote from: Lawlz on August 02, 2007, 12:04:05 PM
It's a game console.
Nothing's just a game console.
Quote from: Lawlz on August 02, 2007, 12:04:05 PM
If I want a computer, I'll buy one. And it certainly won't be one made by Sony.
Sony makes great notebook computers. spam;
Quote from: Lawlz on August 02, 2007, 12:04:05 PM
WHILE WE'RE AT IT, LET'S MAKLE MULTIPLAYER MEGAMAN
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Quote from: Lawlz on August 02, 2007, 12:04:05 PM
WHILE WE'RE AT IT, LET'S MAKLE MULTIPLAYER SONIC THE HEDGEHOG.
Probably under development right now. spam;
Quote from: Bassir C. on August 02, 2007, 12:07:39 PM
Sony makes great notebook computers. spam;
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lol spam;
Quotehttp://ds.ign.com/objects/900/900241.html
No surprise that Battle Network and the new series suck. spam;
QuoteProbably under development right now. spam;
Sonic 3 had multiplayer, and it was godawful. spam;
Quote from: Lawlz on August 02, 2007, 12:10:09 PM
Sonic 3 had multiplayer, and it was godawful. spam;
Most Sonic games are. rock
Quote from: Lawlz on August 02, 2007, 12:10:09 PM
lol spam;
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Quote from: Lawlz on August 02, 2007, 12:10:09 PM
No surprise that Battle Network and the new series suck. spam;
It's still Megaman. spam;
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Quote from: Bassir C. on August 02, 2007, 12:19:00 PM
Wow, you know how to use Google.
help help my mac is overheating aaaaaah
Quote from: Commodore Guff on August 02, 2007, 12:20:20 PM
help help my mac is overheating aaaaaah
jesus damn christ but my parents intel maq works fine even though because i havent even used that for longer than five minutes
Quote from: Commodore Guff on August 02, 2007, 12:20:20 PM
help help my mac is overheating aaaaaah
but it dont esplode powerofone;
Quote from: Lawlz on August 02, 2007, 12:24:06 PM
but it dont esplode powerofone;
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Quote from: Bassir C. on August 02, 2007, 12:24:56 PM
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