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I personally find the art style ugly, most of the world/characters/plot are uninspired, and the gameplay is stale. It's not a bad game (really a 6 or 7/10), but I'd rather play almost any other Zelda.

i thought your grades were on the 7 scale

~8/10

probably closer to a very high 7

Art style is really only ugly for npcs

ok but consider this

Quote from: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo on July 30, 2018, 09:36:37 PMthe Malo Mart theme

Quote from: Big Goop on July 30, 2018, 09:42:44 PMArt style is really only ugly for npcs

so you mean all character designs aside from Link???

Quote from: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo on July 30, 2018, 09:40:38 PMi thought your grades were on the 7 scale

they are, but the poll is for other people too
on my scale it's a 3/7, maybe a 4

Quote from: Hiro on July 30, 2018, 09:46:38 PM

Quote from: Big Goop on July 30, 2018, 09:42:44 PMArt style is really only ugly for npcs

so you mean all character designs aside from Link???

Quote from: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo on July 30, 2018, 09:40:38 PMi thought your grades were on the 7 scale

they are, but the poll is for other people too
on my scale it's a 3/7, maybe a 4

Ok, bad choice of words.....

Any character not link, zelda, ganon, midna.

i think zelda's design in tp is acceptable too lol, if a little conservative

but yeah just about every other human character is hideous

Notice tec, Midna was the last character I listed there :)

yeah that still isn't a compliment to the art  lol
besides, I really don't like any of those designs either, aside from midna I guess

Quote from: Big Goop on July 30, 2018, 09:52:57 PMNotice tec, Midna was the last character I listed there :)

yeah i see that you saved 'the '''best''' for last' lol

3/5 doesn't really translate to 8/10 all that well imo, and i'm not just talking about the math

i don't really like the weird idea game journalism has that 5/10 (which you're translating to 1/5) is bottom of the barrel godawful irredeemably bad and that games only become playable at 7/10

anyway, in my own way i would still give tp an 8/10. i think it's a great game overall. it's just one of the most flawed games in the series

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 30, 2018, 09:53:47 PM

Quote from: Big Goop on July 30, 2018, 09:52:57 PMNotice tec, Midna was the last character I listed there :)

yeah i see that you saved 'the '''best''' for last' lol

...dammit, that backfired

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UShTguJevuU&t=125s

perhaps the most uncomfortable cutscene in gaming

there's something wrong with people who want to fuck imp midna

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 30, 2018, 09:56:20 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UShTguJevuU&t=125s

perhaps the most uncomfortable cutscene in gaming

Meh

that isn't really that awkward Tec lol

imo the actual bad cutscene in that game is the backstory of the DARK MAGICIANS that created the helmet thingy, and it's really only bad because for some bizarre reason it uses Link and his girlfriend as the character models for everything in it

Quote from: Samus Aran on July 30, 2018, 09:59:47 PMthat isn't really that awkward Tec lol

imo the actual bad cutscene in that game is the backstory of the DARK MAGICIANS that created the helmet thingy, and it's really only bad because for some bizarre reason it uses Link and his girlfriend as the character models for everything in it

is that the scene with all the dark links and their dumb evil smiles?

Quote from: Big Goop on July 30, 2018, 10:00:59 PM

Quote from: Samus Aran on July 30, 2018, 09:59:47 PMthat isn't really that awkward Tec lol

imo the actual bad cutscene in that game is the backstory of the DARK MAGICIANS that created the helmet thingy, and it's really only bad because for some bizarre reason it uses Link and his girlfriend as the character models for everything in it

hat the scene with all the dark links and their dumb evil smiles?

yes

Quote from: Samus Aran on July 30, 2018, 09:53:56 PMi don't really like the weird idea game journalism has that 5/10 (which you're translating to 1/5) is bottom of the barrel godawful irredeemably bad and that games only become playable at 7/10

I mean I agree that it shouldn't be that way, but that's the way perceptions are at this point
again, I don't even think a 10 scale makes sense for ratings. What games do you think are a 4/10 vs a 1/10? Is a 5 or lower even worth buying, even if 5 means it's just fine?
Here's why I like the 7 scale:
1 - bad, do not at all recommend to anyone
2 - not good, maybe someone would like it though
3 - below average, has some redeeming qualities
4 - average, totally fine and worthwhile but not a favorite
5 - good or great, would recommend
6 - excellent, found it to be very noteworthy and memorable
7 - fantastic, possibly a new favorite and top 3 of the year

also HOLY FUCKING SHIT THE LIGHTING IN THIS GAME IS DISGUSTING

Quote from: Hiro on July 30, 2018, 10:03:50 PMalso HOLY FUCKING SHIT THE LIGHTING IN THIS GAME IS DISGUSTING

yeah all the bloom and brown is honestly the worst thing about the game's visuals lol, the ugly character models aren't as offensive to me as just the general look of the game

tp was designed from the ground up to be the Next-Gen™ oot in all senses, lol

now that you explain it it makes a lot of sense hiro

the 10 scale only makes sense because we're used to it because of school
and with this scale people tend to grade things like they would a test, ie anything below a 60 or 50 (depending on your school) being a failing grade

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 30, 2018, 10:07:53 PMtp was designed from the ground up to be the Next-Gen™ oot in all senses, lol

True. Honestly, most games around this time look bad because devs thought bloom was a good thing.

Quote from: Thyme on July 30, 2018, 10:08:52 PMnow that you explain it it makes a lot of sense hiro

the 10 scale only makes sense because we're used to it because of school
and with this scale people tend to grade things like they would a test, ie anything below a 60 or 50 (depending on your school) being a failing grade

I remember EGM had a 10 scale, but their 5 was average.

Quote from: Thyme on July 30, 2018, 10:08:52 PMnow that you explain it it makes a lot of sense hiro

the 10 scale only makes sense because we're used to it because of school
and with this scale people tend to grade things like they would a test, ie anything below a 60 or 50 (depending on your school) being a failing grade

absolutely, yes. I basically treat 4 as a middle, and then there are 3 degrees of above or below average to give a good distinction between ratings.

Quote from: Big Goop on July 30, 2018, 10:09:39 PM

Quote from: Thyme on July 30, 2018, 10:08:52 PMnow that you explain it it makes a lot of sense hiro

the 10 scale only makes sense because we're used to it because of school
and with this scale people tend to grade things like they would a test, ie anything below a 60 or 50 (depending on your school) being a failing grade

I remember EGM had a 10 scale, but their 5 was average.

as someone who subscribed to EGM for a few years, a 5 was not average for them. While they were a bit tougher and  used the scale a  bit more, any decent game got a 7 or above, and bad games were a 5 or lower. 6 I remember being kind of mediocre in their ratings.

Quote from: Hiro on July 30, 2018, 10:14:31 PM

Quote from: Thyme on July 30, 2018, 10:08:52 PMnow that you explain it it makes a lot of sense hiro

the 10 scale only makes sense because we're used to it because of school
and with this scale people tend to grade things like they would a test, ie anything below a 60 or 50 (depending on your school) being a failing grade

absolutely, yes. I basically treat 4 as a middle, and then there are 3 degrees of above or below average to give a good distinction between ratings.

Quote from: Big Goop on July 30, 2018, 10:09:39 PM

Quote from: Thyme on July 30, 2018, 10:08:52 PMnow that you explain it it makes a lot of sense hiro

the 10 scale only makes sense because we're used to it because of school
and with this scale people tend to grade things like they would a test, ie anything below a 60 or 50 (depending on your school) being a failing grade

I remember EGM had a 10 scale, but their 5 was average.

omeone who subscribed EGM for a few years, a 5 was not average for them. While they were a bit tougher and  used the scale a  bit more, any decent game got a 7 or above, and bad games were a 5 or lower. 6 I remember being kind of mediocre in their ratings.

Except when you read their ratings scale, they outright stated 5 is average.

Maybe they changed for newer issues, but that's what it was when I read them mid 00's

Quote from: Thyme on July 30, 2018, 10:08:52 PMnow that you explain it it makes a lot of sense hiro

the 10 scale only makes sense because we're used to it because of school
and with this scale people tend to grade things like they would a test, ie anything below a 60 or 50 (depending on your school) being a failing grade

agreed i actually like hiro's 7 scale a lot now that it's been explained

it's not really much different from what i consider a "proper" 10 scale, it just cuts down on the unnecessary extra slight differences in badness in the 2-4 area (which end up using words that are practically synonyms anyway)

good scale hiro good job

what they say isn't the same as what they do
I read them from 2004 until their first closure in 2009

Quote from: Samus Aran on July 30, 2018, 10:21:33 PM

Quote from: Thyme on July 30, 2018, 10:08:52 PMnow that you explain it it makes a lot of sense hiro

the 10 scale only makes sense because we're used to it because of school
and with this scale people tend to grade things like they would a test, ie anything below a 60 or 50 (depending on your school) being a failing grade

agreed i actually like hiro's 7 scale a lot now that it's been explained

it's not really much different from what i consider a "proper" 10 scale, it just cuts down on the unnecessary extra slight differences in badness in the 2-4 area (which end up using words that are practically synonyms anyway)

good scale hiro good job

i thought i'd explained it before but i'm glad some of you like it now wrench;
that's basically my reasoning for it, it can be seen as either a pared down 10 scale or an expanded 5 scale

What they say vs what they do....

That may be true, but that's not the point.

TP's spinner is one of if not the worst item in the Zelda series akudood;

at first it seems like it could be promising, like a way to move around quickly, but then it immediately slows down to a halt. It's only useful in the very rare situation where you absolutely need it, never as an optional tool you can use as you like. The Dominion Rod kinda shares this problem but at least it's not as lame and they try to make decent puzzles out of it.

also oocoo

the spinner is only cool at all in the context of the last 1/4 of the dungeon you get it in lol

after that it's nigh useless and frankly stupid

i actually think the dominion rod is even lamer tbh

Quote from: Samus Aran on July 30, 2018, 09:56:29 PMthere's something wrong with people who want to fuck imp midna

if loving a one eyed shadow imp is wrong then I dont want to be right

Quote from: Samus Aran on July 30, 2018, 09:59:47 PMit uses Link and his girlfriend as the character models for everything in it

"his girlfriend", lol

i can't believe there are people who still think link is straight in the year of our lord 2k18

why can't he be bi/pan you fuck

A perfect 8.8

It's an ugly game with bad controls (if you play with motion controls) and an insufferably boring opening.

I was even an edgy huge fan of wolves at the time and I was still bored to tears.

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 31, 2018, 02:42:54 AM

Quote from: Samus Aran on July 30, 2018, 09:59:47 PMit uses Link and his girlfriend as the character models for everything in it

"his girlfriend", lol

i can't believe there are people who still think link is straight in the year of our lord 2k18

Idk he was gonna marry a fish lady so

Quote from: YPrrrr on July 31, 2018, 06:49:30 AM

Quote from: Magyarorszag on July 31, 2018, 02:42:54 AM

Quote from: Samus Aran on July 30, 2018, 09:59:47 PMit uses Link and his girlfriend as the character models for everything in it

"his girlfriend", lol

i can't believe there are people who still think link is straight in the year of our lord 2k18

Idk he was gonna marry a fish lady so

...And soon thereafter she perished in a suspiciously timed suicide mission. Hmmm. befuddlement

6/10 on an actual scale, not a game journalism scale. It's alright.

also i agree that the base 10 scale is heavily skewed to the right, and i agree that it's partly because it's the standard school grading scale

but it's also important to consider that reviewers are more likely to review good games/games they want to play

so it might seem like the 'average' game is a 7.5, but it's more like the average game that anyone would possibly care to play is a 7.5

very few people are reviewing barbie and her sisters: puppy rescue (http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii-u/barbie-and-her-sisters-puppy-rescue), or bratz: rock angelz (http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-2/bratz-rock-angelz), or the piece of indie garbage that was just uploaded to steam ten minutes ago because no reviewer has any interest in wasting their lives playing true shovelware

http://www.metacritic.com/search/game/barbie/results?sort=score

http://www.metacritic.com/search/game/bratz/results

these and thousands more are all games that actually exist and would drag the average gaming score way down if anyone cared to review them, but nobody does, and as a consequence the /10 scale ends up being biased to the higher end

and even if the skew of the scale annoys you, it's the standard and is likely to remain that way and deviating from the standard by insisting on your own personal scale just wastes time and causes confusion lol

'yeah i would give [game] a 6/10 overall'

'Only a 6/10? But didn't you say you liked it?'

'oh well on my superior and well balanced scale 4-6 are average, but that translates to an 8/10 on the normie scale, so *pushes up glasses and breathes through mouth*'

SocksDood;

Quote from: The Hand That Fisted Everyone on July 31, 2018, 02:34:07 AM

Quote from: Samus Aran on July 30, 2018, 09:56:29 PMthere's something wrong with people who want to fuck imp midna

oving a one eyed shadow imp is wrong then I dont want to be right

Agreed. also bumping this to say Twilight Princess is a 10/10 game.  no complaints. 

Also Ooccoo is based. fu bluaki

I played the first dungeon and never went back to it, 4/10 hocuspocus;

Ugly, boring, slow, tedious, disliked the controls

i liked it back in the day but didn't think it was like an upper-echelon gaming experience or anything. 8/10 i guess. i played it at launch when i was 15 and have not played it since so idk if i would care for it now lol

Quote from: YPrrrr on February 10, 2021, 06:05:15 PMI played the first dungeon and never went back to it, 4/10 hocuspocus;

Ugly, boring, slow, tedious, disliked the controls

this is actually my experience with skyward sword, the only zelda game i've never beaten lol

aw dude skyward sword is underrated, 6/7 for me

not gonna let anyone try to rewrite history on skyward sword. that game sucks

i am really not entirely sure which i prefer more between skyward sword and twilight princess tbh. probably tp buuuut idk.

either way, i think both are perfectly good games, but are still very low on the list for zelda games.

Quote from: The Hand That Fisted Everyone on February 10, 2021, 11:51:46 PMnot gonna let anyone try to rewrite history on skyward sword. that game sucks

srsly

I'm not rewriting history lol it was well-received when it came out and I personally enjoyed it twice as much as TP
it introduced stamina, running, and item upgrades, and the ground-level areas had excellent level design. there were fun dungeons and bosses too. People's main complaints are Demise (totally fair) and having to constantly calibrate the controller, which I personally didn't have to do much. Also Zelda is actually a real character in it, and the watercolor visuals look nice

i mostly just find the intro to the game a complete fucking slog, which is why i've never gotten very far



i guess people say that about TP too, i dunno lol

man TP's intro is the epitome of a slog

i mean i was high on wii launch day fumes so i put up with it at the time

ill have to give it a go as a big boy and see if i hate it now

tps intro isnt a slog...

Quote from: Hiro on February 11, 2021, 12:22:59 PMI'm not rewriting history lol it was well-received when it came out and I personally enjoyed it twice as much as TP
it introduced stamina, running, and item upgrades, and the ground-level areas had excellent level design. there were fun dungeons and bosses too. People's main complaints are Demise (totally fair) and having to constantly calibrate the controller, which I personally didn't have to do much. Also Zelda is actually a real character in it, and the watercolor visuals look nice

I disagree with I think literally all of this sorry man

sorry for everything everyone saddood;

Quote from: Mando Pandango on February 12, 2021, 07:41:11 AM

Quote from: Hiro on February 11, 2021, 12:22:59 PMit was well-received when it came out
it introduced stamina, running, and item upgrades
People's main complaints are Demise (totally fair) and having to constantly calibrate the controller, which I personally didn't have to do much.

I disagree with I think literally all of this sorry man

you can't disagree with these  akudood;
you don't even like the art style though?

Looks like shit on the Wii man

Stamina system literally only gets in the way, a lot of the items aren't useful or memorable, the ground area is super limited even though it serves as the "overworld", dungeons are underdeveloped, bosses are shitty, no enemy variety, little reward for actually exploring what little there is off the main path, most obnoxious sidekick in series history... Also I really feel like the intro sequence might be worse than TP's

Yeah but that's just the low res wii bullshit lol, the art style is still good and looking at it on dolphin is p. nice
oh and the ground is not the overworld at all, that's the sky  huhdoodame;
I was just saying it introduced those things though, not that you can't dislike them. but yeah I guess we just completely disagree on all those things, personally I don't understand why so many people hate SS now

Quote from: Hiro on February 12, 2021, 10:11:50 AMthe ground is not the overworld at all, that's the sky

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Skyward Sword was probably the fastest zelda game to have its "I can't believe I liked this" crowd.

twilight princess is pretty good imo

Quote from: Mando Pandango on February 12, 2021, 12:28:12 PM

Quote from: Hiro on February 12, 2021, 10:11:50 AMthe ground is not the overworld at all, that's the sky

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LMAO poty

Quote from: Samus Aran on February 12, 2021, 05:54:42 PM

Quote from: Mando Pandango on February 12, 2021, 12:28:12 PM

Quote from: Hiro on February 12, 2021, 10:11:50 AMthe ground is not the overworld at all, that's the sky

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LMAO poty

LMAO yeah I won't disagree that the sky is dull

Quote from: Travis on February 12, 2021, 05:24:44 PMtwilight princess is pretty good imo

same

looks like we're all playin' skyward sword after all boys sillydood;

wooo...

where's my minish cap remaster

Monish Cap isn't real. You dreamed it

Quote from: C.Mongler on February 18, 2021, 06:25:50 AMlooks like we're all playin' skyward sword after all boys sillydood;

nah

i actually really liked skyward sword but thats just me

it's obvi not w/o its flaws tho. i found the motion controls very hard to adapt to even with your wiimotes calibrated. you can never time using the shield properly unless you knew the move pattern of every enemy, and who tf has time for that  sillydood; i kept breaking them so i started dodging attacks instead. the trials were also very anxiety inducing too

oh, and one more thing... THE FUCKING TADTONES

but idk i thought overall it was a pretty solid game. the overworld being the sky was okay for me and they still made some areas have small side secrets even for how linear the ground level was. i liked SS and TP more than wind waker tho. i fucking hated how obnoxiously overpriced tingle's map deciphering was  akudood;

Quote from: Dullahan on February 18, 2021, 06:04:20 PMbut idk i thought overall it was a pretty solid game. the overworld being the sky was okay for me and they still made some areas have small side secrets even for how linear the ground level was. i liked SS and TP more than wind waker tho. i fucking hated how obnoxiously overpriced tingle's map deciphering was  akudood;

Apparently Wind waker hd streamlined the whole treasure charts process enough to make that quest not horrible

Quote from: Mando Pandango on February 18, 2021, 07:33:37 PM

Quote from: Dullahan on February 18, 2021, 06:04:20 PMbut idk i thought overall it was a pretty solid game. the overworld being the sky was okay for me and they still made some areas have small side secrets even for how linear the ground level was. i liked SS and TP more than wind waker tho. i fucking hated how obnoxiously overpriced tingle's map deciphering was  akudood;

Apparently Wind waker hd streamlined the whole treasure charts process enough to make that quest not horrible

damn, i never got the hd version

ngl tho i wish ballad of the gales had more warp points too. i felt like sailing place to place dragged on forever if you were someone who wanted to collect all the heart pieces, complete all the side quests, etc.

also i felt like wind waker had a few less dungeons than others with there being 6 plus a final dungeon. i guess skyward had the same amount, but i'm being generous w forsaken fortress akudood;

Quote from: Dullahan on February 19, 2021, 06:02:10 PMngl tho i wish ballad of the gales had more warp points too. i felt like sailing place to place dragged on forever if you were someone who wanted to collect all the heart pieces, complete all the side quests, etc.

hd version fixed this too