Abortion

[Daddy]

Right, 8.5 month old infants aren't living. Hell, they're not even human until they've passed the vagina right?

I never said that.

I've stated multiple times that I don't support abortions once the fetus is in the third trimester (thus being viable), because then the fetus is alive. If it were to be born, it'd most likely survive. So, that's about 7 months(28 weeks or so), which is far earlier than your bullshit 8.5 argument which I see no one supporting.

Another thing that both sides agree on is that it is inaccurate to report, as CBS Evening News has done repeatedly, that the bill is a "late-term abortion ban."  It is a ban not of "late-term abortion" but of a defined method -- and the legal definition of that method has never referred to a point in "term," but rather, to the location of the living baby when he or she is killed.  (See "Is It Misleading to Call it Partial 'Birth'?," below.)

In reality, partial-birth abortion cannot be performed in the first three months, and most are performed in the fifth and sixth months.  So, then, are partial-birth abortions "late-term" abortions?  The question is impossible to answer, because the label "late-term" has no standard legal or medical meaning, and is used in wildly different ways.  Pro-abortion groups exploit this ambiguity -- they use the label "late-term" as code for "third-trimester," meaning the seventh month and later -- a period that begins roughly three weeks AFTER babies typically attain the lung development sufficient to survive indefinitely outside the womb (so-called "viability").

When journalists describe the bill as a "ban on late-term abortions" or "certain late-term abortions," they introduce an element of ambiguity or outright distortion into everything else they say about the matter, because many readers may understand the label as referring to third-trimester abortions, while many others will regard abortions in the fifth and sixth months as "late-term abortions" too.

Consider the medical illustrations used this year during the House and Senate floor debates, which accurately depict a typical partial-birth abortion of a baby at 24 weeks (five and one-half months).  Here is a proposed experiment for journalists:  Show one of these illustrations to the first 10 people you meet on the street, explain that it shows "an abortion," and ask if they think it looks like a "late-term" abortion.  We predict that most will reply in the affirmative.  Yet, what the illustration shows is not, in the usage of NARAL and Planned Parenthood, a "late-term" (third-trimester) abortion.  The term "third trimester" is used to refer to points as early as the start of the 25th week and as late as the start of the 27th week.

http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/pbaall110403.html

tl;dr the partial birth abortions you were bitching about us socialist pigs supporting take place before the fetus becomes viable.


oh look, did i just use a pro-life site as my source and it didn't contradict what i said  even with its silly bias.

[:atomsk:]

I never said that.

I've stated multiple times that I don't support abortions once the fetus is in the third trimester (thus being viable), because then the fetus is alive. If it were to be born, it'd most likely survive. So, that's about 7 months(28 weeks or so), which is far earlier than your bullshit 8.5 argument which I see no one supporting.
tl;dr the partial birth abortions you were bitching about us socialist pigs supporting take place before the fetus becomes viable.

my bad sorry.

[Daddy]

uh arguing that fetusfaces aren't alive is a bit silly

alive in the same sense that a baby is alive.

[guff]

alive in the same sense that a baby is alive.

i would still say that's a bit silly
they are alive in the strictest definition of the word but whether fetusfaces have the higher brain functions that we consider humans is another issue and from what i've seen yeah that's definitely not true for the first trimester

[Daddy]

i would still say that's a bit silly
they are alive in the strictest definition of the word but whether fetusfaces have the higher brain functions that we consider humans is another issue and from what i've seen yeah that's definitely not true for the first trimester

okay they are not more alive than an amoeba there

[Hiro]

I am in support of abortion in some cases 

[Daddy]

Sorry Hiro. Abortions are bad, even if you are 9 year old girl raped by your stepfather. If you get one you WILL  be excommunicated

[guff]

okay they are not more alive than an amoeba there

god damnit the definition of life is black and white there's nothing in between alive and non-living i mean sure a cocaine-using partygoer will say they've never felt more alive but a) they are stupid and b) they're pretty much right anyways they have never felt more alive nor have they ever felt less alive for there is only one level of aliveosity

[Daddy]

god damnit the definition of life is black and white there's nothing in between alive and non-living i mean sure a cocaine-using partygoer will say they've never felt more alive but a) they are stupid and b) they're pretty much right anyways they have never felt more alive nor have they ever felt less alive for there is only one level of aliveosity

goddammit, they have the same brain function as a damn protist.  yes it's "alive" but not if you're applying the term to the human condition. 

[The artist formally known]

I bet the extra 115,000 babies a day would be a great idea.

http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html

42,000,0000 babies extra a year wouldn't be bad.

[guff]

goddammit, they have the same brain function as a damn protist.  yes it's "alive" but not if you're applying the term to the human condition. 

brain function has nothing to do with aliveness goddamnit use a different term already

[Slim]

god damnit the definition of life is black and white there's nothing in between alive and non-living i mean sure a cocaine-using partygoer will say they've never felt more alive but a) they are stupid and b) they're pretty much right anyways they have never felt more alive nor have they ever felt less alive for there is only one level of aliveosity

they're just using it as a figure of speech god stop picking on the poor crackheads just because they're an easy target

[Daddy]

brain function has nothing to do with aliveness goddamnit use a different term already

sentient
happy?

Who's having abortions (religion)?
Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as "Born-again/Evangelical".

lol

[YPrrrr]

but it can grow.

are you against ejaculating outside of a vagina and menstruating too?

There's a difference between a zygote and eggs or sperm

[guff]

There's a difference between a zygote and eggs or sperm

just as there's a difference between a fetusface and babby