Slavery Reparations

[Daddy]

I'm Italian, but I'm not working in de facto slave conditions.

I am too.  I was referring to the past.

[Zeta]

I am too.  I was referring to the past.

So that means they should get money because our ancestors got fucked by someone else's ancestors?

[Daddy]

So that means they should get money because our ancestors got fucked by someone else's ancestors?

No, I didn't say that.

[V]

No

Why not? Elaborate. That is what serious discussion is all about.

[NOA_Haunted]

Why not? Elaborate. That is what serious discussion is all about.

Ok,  because its not  our fault that their  ancestors were slaves, plus the world would be totally different today. With out slavery down south we would never have had a civil war and who knows how America could have turned out.

[InbredPsychosis]

My family is going through a very hard time but do we get help from the government for being white? No. Why should you get paid for being black?

Slavery is over. It's been over for a century. We should all be equal now. Affirmative action, reparations...It's all bullshit.

[ncba93ivyase]

Ok,  because its not  our fault that their  ancestors were slaves, plus the world would be totally different today. With out slavery down south we would never have had a civil war and who knows how America could have turned out.

If we would've just let the south secede, America would still be a great nation, and only the confederacy would suck.

[Sam]

Only if I get reparations for the time they through out my ancestors saying "No Irish need apply."

[guff]

Only if I get reparations for the time they through out my ancestors saying "No Irish need apply."

The Irish were enslaved, too?

[Sam]

The Irish were enslaved, too?

Nah, just refused work.

And we should give the Oakies some reparations too, I guess.

[guff]

Nah, just refused work.

And we should give the Oakies some reparations too, I guess.

Yeah, which has nothing to do with slavery reparations.

why

[Sam]

Yeah, which has nothing to do with slavery reparations.

why

I think the bottom line for me is that the ancestors of slaves should have no need for reparations. Why would they? Because their great great great great great great great grandma was a slave? And therefore they're behind on money as opposed to the rest of us? immigrants coming into the country have it harder than they do now. It's not my problem that they'er unable to get over the fact that their family members were enslaved however many years ago. And you know, if it's some emotional shit or black rights or whatnot, I don't really care, go ahead and fight for that power. But I do not see in any way shape or form why any descendent of a slave would need money any more than the rest of us.

And haven't any of you read Thoreau?  I mean, I disagree with the man on a lot of levels, but if there's one smart thing he says it's that we can't live in the past and we can't live in the future, all we've got is the now. So maybe if those slave descendents who are fighting for this could get off their greedy asses and go get some sort of a degree or some other nice job, as opposed to dwelling on the uber-past, we wouldn't have this problem. I'm not saying to just forget about slavery, but it's gone now, in America at least. Nothing can change the past, all we can do is help the current generations, right?

Yeah, well I say screw them, they don't need our money, they need to get on with their lives and establish their own identity.

[guff]

I think the bottom line for me is that the ancestors of slaves should have no need for reparations. Why would they? Because their great great great great great great great grandma was a slave? And therefore they're behind on money as opposed to the rest of us? immigrants coming into the country have it harder than they do now. It's not my problem that they'er unable to get over the fact that their family members were enslaved however many years ago. And you know, if it's some emotional shit or black rights or whatnot, I don't really care, go ahead and fight for that power. But I do not see in any way shape or form why any descendent of a slave would need money any more than the rest of us.

So you're arguing that slavery had absolutely no economic effects on blacks and that they're perfectly well off?

And haven't any of you read Thoreau?

No, but Captain Underpants is pretty good.

I mean, I disagree with the man on a lot of levels, but if there's one smart thing he says it's that we can't live in the past and we can't live in the future, all we've got is the now.

Okay, let's not prosecute criminals.  After all, their crimes are in the past.

So maybe if those slave descendents who are fighting for this could get off their greedy asses and go get some sort of a degree or some other nice job, as opposed to dwelling on the uber-past, we wouldn't have this problem.

Who's greedier?  The person living in poverty with poor access to education and even worse access to good jobs, or the well-off person that tells the former to screw off?

also how many times have you worked your way out of poverty
were you born in a crime-ridden neighborhood to a poor family, which, incidentally, is statistically far more likely to be a single parent

I'm not saying to just forget about slavery, but it's gone now, in America at least.
Nothing can change the past, all we can do is help the current generations, right?

Yet its effects live on.
Okay, let's help the current generation of blacks living in poverty because of the enslavement of their ancestors?

Yeah, well I say screw them, they don't need our money, they need to get on with their lives and establish their own identity.

I'm pretty sure they do need the money.  Poverty sucks like that.

[Sam]

So you're arguing that slavery had absolutely no economic effects on blacks and that they're perfectly well off?No, but Captain Underpants is pretty good.Okay, let's not prosecute criminals.  After all, their crimes are in the past.Who's greedier?  The person living in poverty with poor access to education and even worse access to good jobs, or the well-off person that tells the former to screw off?

also how many times have you worked your way out of poverty
were you born in a crime-ridden neighborhood to a poor family, which, incidentally, is statistically far more likely to be a single parentYet its effects live on.
Okay, let's help the current generation of blacks living in poverty because of the enslavement of their ancestors?I'm pretty sure they do need the money.  Poverty sucks like that.

And even after all that, you failt to see my main point.

Maybe my mind's just in the whole "Give a man to fish/teach a man to fish" prospect, but I'm totally totally against giving the descendents of slaves reparations, and it's not just because I'm a bitch lying around with tons of money to give away, but don't want to.  How the fuck would giving the descendents of slaves help? "Oh, the poor black people in the ghetto will be able to better their lives and then there will be no more pore people."
Yeah, well, here's an idea- how about we help the poverty, as opposed to the descendents of slaves. No matter what we do there will be poverty. Give the porrest people a good amount of money- Uh oh, now those little guys are scraping up for food. Help them.. oops, now that couple over there seems to be out of business.

The one thing that will make me eat my words is some sort of a statistic saying that the majority of people in poverty now are descendents of slaves, or even if they make up a good portion of those in poverty.

Go ahead, find it for me. 

[guff]

And even after all that, you failt to see my main point.

okay so what is it

Maybe my mind's just in the whole "Give a man to fish/teach a man to fish"

okay so why aren't you doing either, and how exactly are you supposed to teach those living in an area with a lack of good job opportunities and education

How the fuck would giving the descendents of slaves help?

for one, they'd probably have more money

Yeah, well, here's an idea- how about we help the poverty, as opposed to the descendents of slaves.

okay, and that's what i'd prefer
but i'm arguing on the merits of slavery reparations, not socialism

No matter what we do there will be poverty.
Give the porrest people a good amount of money- Uh oh, now those little guys are scraping up for food. Help them.. oops, now that couple over there seems to be out of business.

therefore let's not do anything about it given that it's inevitable

The one thing that will make me eat my words is some sort of a statistic saying that the majority of people in poverty now are descendents of slaves, or even if they make up a good portion of those in poverty.

Go ahead, find it for me. 

Uh, I think it might be just a tad more relevant to prove the converse.

also god damn respond on a point-by-point basis rather than cherry picking those you wish to respond to
ps your numerous typographical and spelling errors make you look like a complete tool